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Alpha Legion Part 2 - Getting Started in Horus Heresy

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@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
I know that Laerneans have the Line special rule, I just don't see a huge deal of value in a line unit which has all short-range weapons to camp an objective, I suppose if they are in the enemy deployment zone they can be an objective capping pest, but I can't figure out what this unit wants to be. Do they want to be a close-range assault scoring unit with terminator armour? They'll lose a fight to conventional Tartarus. Do they want to hold objectives in the mid-field? They're armed exclusively with short-range firepower unless you upgrade two of them (and pay the over 500 points for the unit with power axes and two culverins?). They just don't fill any niche, even if you use them to hold backline objectives in your own deployment zone, unless the enemy comes to you, serving up units on a silver platter, something you'd be a fool to expect, I don't see them achieving much there either. Bizarre unit.
@Orlunu
@Orlunu 2 жыл бұрын
The one thing I've had them do well in was backline objective camping with c-beamer to surprisingly good effect. Think that was just down to enemy mis-plays, though, can think of plenty of ways to ruin it.
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
I suggest normal units, when you cannot go toe to toe with other legions, why try and do it? Max out on cheaper legion terminators, get some headhunters for multi-melta sniper shenanigans, use range to keep yourself in range of them by an inch or two, so they cannot shoot back.
@DemonAce18
@DemonAce18 2 жыл бұрын
Laerneans look nice and I agree that the rules are meh for them. I would rather them have the Banestrike combi-bolters than volkite chargers. I do have a question though, if they changed the Laerneans to have the ability to mimic 1 terminator unit but they are required to keep their current loadout do you think they would be worth it? Otherwise thank you for the video.
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 2 жыл бұрын
@@DemonAce18 - That's an interesting idea. There's a DA special character (forgot his name) that let's you mimic a warlord trait from select other legions, so there is precedent for such a rule. Laemeans were supposed to be scary, leaving no witnesses. Hardly something conveyed with their profile.
@Krullio
@Krullio 2 жыл бұрын
So basically, they were short on the tactical viability in the last edition due to the power creep and the new edition has not improved them. A shame for a really cool looking unit that would have fit really nicely with the chataphractii terminator praetor model that is cool too. Shame.
@tabe8850
@tabe8850 2 жыл бұрын
By far (and for YEARS) the best 30k channel on KZfaq!
@danielstennert1263
@danielstennert1263 2 жыл бұрын
All the responding to drama is a bit boring. I wouldn't mind if Macca rose above it instead of engaging, but you can't get everything! Other than that, it's insightful and well thought out in regards to 30k. 5/5 digeridoodles, or what ever people pay with down under.
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
Dollerydoos.
@Dragsnpr
@Dragsnpr 2 жыл бұрын
Of note the Laerneans have two wounds, three on the Harrower making IWND much more likely to be of use. The Hydran Exemplars rule also applies to shooting attacks as well.
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
Two-wounds is standard on all terminators, some even have three, but the It Will Not Die rule isn't crash hot on them, not as good as Feel No Pain, but it may result in one extra terminator at the end of the game, so it is something, I guess.
@SupremeBroadcast
@SupremeBroadcast 2 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this series to return, can’t wait for the Thousand Sons episode! Keep up the amazing work
@Erikjust
@Erikjust 2 жыл бұрын
Me too though from what i have read the Thousand Sons isn´t the powerhouse they used to be. And a lot of the War Lord Traits isn´t as deadly as it once where. Guardian of the Crimson King was once very good, but since Terminators can no longer be scoring units... well they are kinda shit compared to regular terminators. Pride of the Legion is basically everything the the Crimson king build should have been. As for the Castellax-Achea Automata they are... okay...ish, but only because we haven´t gotten the Mechanicum rules yet (their versions of the Castellax might be a better choice). So it would seem that Thousand Sons might just the Alpha Legion requiring some skills to play and win with.
@christianebund8048
@christianebund8048 2 жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned that Headhunters are relentless, which means they can not only fire their heavy weapon in a turn they moved at full BF, they may also charge in a turn, in which they fired their rapid fire weapons. This might be useful considering the fact they all bear power daggers.
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
I think I did mention they were relentless, and also that I like the idea of a multi-melta on them.
@ValhallanMelta
@ValhallanMelta 2 жыл бұрын
Just a reminder that Exodus isn't Unique so you can take 2 of them.
@mrmatt2466
@mrmatt2466 5 ай бұрын
is 2 the maximum… i want 3 😊
@jamesharden6780
@jamesharden6780 2 жыл бұрын
When I pick the box up I'll be going Alpha legion!
@toptieropness9036
@toptieropness9036 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for continuing this series. Patiently waiting for emperors children.
@grumpycup4762
@grumpycup4762 Жыл бұрын
This is exactly the type of content I was looking for. So thorough and well explained!
@WHRiih
@WHRiih 2 жыл бұрын
Laernaensa are one of the few terminator units that are line-units, though.
@trajanthegreat2928
@trajanthegreat2928 2 жыл бұрын
One thing about the Power Dagger: It's lost Specialist Weapon. So it doesn't give +1 Attack if used with a Paragon Blade or Power Fist as it used to do.
@lieutenantdanielson
@lieutenantdanielson Жыл бұрын
But it does for Chainfists strangely
@lieutenantdanielson
@lieutenantdanielson Жыл бұрын
Recons with shroud bombs stack with our legion trait So for the purposes of shooting theyre an extra 8"s away
@connorburns8447
@connorburns8447 2 жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for DA
@orionparish9858
@orionparish9858 2 жыл бұрын
Same. They should have been first of course. Damn Alpha Legion infiltrators ruined everything.
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
Well, for what it's worth I should have it out by about the... 5th of August?
@socialanimalmedia
@socialanimalmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Im disappointed by the removal of the special pick-a-trait legion rule as it was really fun. In the same regard, it sucks that vets lost the ability as well. Loved customizing them so much.
@joshuablake4595
@joshuablake4595 Жыл бұрын
Really do appreciate channels like this. Because without people like you then new players wanting to get into a faction due to their theme and cool looking units and, as a result, spending quite a bit of money outright on them, only to then discover the not so great cons of said army which you may have accidentally built towards is not the greatest thing.
@knoxminis1211
@knoxminis1211 2 жыл бұрын
Just getting into 30K and AL. I appreciate the great thoughts here. I'm thinking of leaning heavily into dreadnoughts, headhunters, Exodus, and recon squads as a base. The goal being to snipe things from a distance while harassing with multiple dreadnoughts.
@OzymandiasRex
@OzymandiasRex 2 жыл бұрын
Seems a bit WAAC to be honest
@timostegemann9738
@timostegemann9738 2 жыл бұрын
And u score with the Air?
@tudorguti1309
@tudorguti1309 2 жыл бұрын
Recon squads are line
@timostegemann9738
@timostegemann9738 2 жыл бұрын
@@tudorguti1309 I mean if u want to rely on Power armour. I see no Transports in his list
@knoxminis1211
@knoxminis1211 2 жыл бұрын
@@timostegemann9738 Yeah, this is just a general idea thus far. Still much to be determined.
@Orlunu
@Orlunu 2 жыл бұрын
Lernaeans should have the option for a disintegrator in their special/heavy slot and you can't persuade me otherwise.
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@knarftahw
@knarftahw 2 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting thousands of years for these to return, yay.
@e-jlehti1489
@e-jlehti1489 Жыл бұрын
Headhunters can take combi weapons for cheaper than seekers have bs5 and infiltrate/scout so first turn plasma/melta kills... Then assault with daggers. No dissintegrators to my knowledge.
@lieutenantdanielson
@lieutenantdanielson Жыл бұрын
I've been having good fun and games with Recon Company RoW and Headhunter Leviathan RoW, I use allot of recons and dreadnoughts
@KameradArktis
@KameradArktis Жыл бұрын
hmm these videos are just enticing me to play multiple legions im torn between iron hands or alpha legion but mobius conf sounds really interesting
@Gimo_NET
@Gimo_NET 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god I've been blessed he chose to run em backwards I'm building shattered legions WOOO NEXT TWO ARE FOR ME
@Traven158
@Traven158 2 жыл бұрын
Coils: Any unit that's not one of the Rewards of Treachery must start in Reserves. Not one unit per Rewards unit.
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I wasn't clear enough.
@GMTemplar
@GMTemplar 2 жыл бұрын
Good points but you completely overlooked the power daggers on Headhunters. They actually hit harder than one might think.
@SpetsnazStevens
@SpetsnazStevens 8 ай бұрын
I really like the Headhunter Leviathal
@CarmelloCassarole
@CarmelloCassarole 2 жыл бұрын
Realy good input on the Leviathal, very fun and flavorful but not very competitive
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I think they are very competitive, but require a skilled person to pull that from them.
@CarmelloCassarole
@CarmelloCassarole 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheOuterCircle ahh makes sense, my apologies haha. I’m very new to HH
@AKRex
@AKRex 2 жыл бұрын
I already have a lot of AL units at my disposal, might expand into Rewards of Treachery to give an excuse for making more conversions. I am bit bummed by the Lernaeans though, wish they would have made them WS5 and also given them something else instead of an otherwise misplaced and somewhat useless conversion beamer and maybe also give options for Thunder Hammers. But then ofc I can just grab a nice Termie unit from another legion and custom convert/make them off various bits as I like instead, so who knows.
@loltwest9423
@loltwest9423 2 жыл бұрын
Really makes me happy that my Legion gets their part 2 first. Just out of curiosity, how would you recommend running the Headhunters in terms of wargear? I've decided to go with mass bolter fire to lean in hard on sniping characters, but, I haven't yet glued on the bolters and I noticed my force is lacking quite significantly in the anti-armor department.
@ValhallanMelta
@ValhallanMelta 2 жыл бұрын
You absolutely must take the Multimelta. It becomes a character deleter because it also benefits from Precision Shots(4+)
@loltwest9423
@loltwest9423 2 жыл бұрын
@@ValhallanMelta Alright noted.
@TronsTableTop
@TronsTableTop 2 жыл бұрын
Great series. Can't wait for white scars and t-sons
@genericusername5001
@genericusername5001 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very helpful for me planning an army in the future!
@OzymandiasRex
@OzymandiasRex 2 жыл бұрын
These new Alpha Legion rules feel fore fluffy than the last.
@fletcherhill796
@fletcherhill796 2 жыл бұрын
Woop Woop, Raven Guard Next
@kevinfike5900
@kevinfike5900 Жыл бұрын
I understand that Coils of the Hydra let's you take up to 3 units from one legion. But I can't for the life of me find anywhere that says whether or not they can be different units. For example if I pick Dark Angels as my rewards of treachery unit, could I take a unit of Dreadwing Interemptors, a unit of Deathwing companions, and a unit of inner circle knights Cernobium? Or would I have to take 3 of the same of any of the options available?
@ttuzo9621
@ttuzo9621 10 ай бұрын
It is stated in Liber Hereticus Faq in community website, you can't pick different units from same legion you selected anymore.
@MLaak86
@MLaak86 2 жыл бұрын
AL are definitely on my short list even if they're not the simplest legion to play
@potatoisneat
@potatoisneat 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think you mentioned that the lernaean terminators have line?
@anaknangfilipina5846
@anaknangfilipina5846 2 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand why the Lerneans had to be WS4 when most Legion special Terminators have WS5. Also what does everyone feel is the preferrable Consuls for this legion?
@sagacity1071
@sagacity1071 2 жыл бұрын
Vigilator or moritat are very on theme.
@Instar_nine
@Instar_nine 2 жыл бұрын
Hydra Dominatus Brother
@rubengerritsen6868
@rubengerritsen6868 2 жыл бұрын
I read that the coils of the hydra everything except the RoT units must start off the table, doesn’t this make it basicly unusable since the RoT units will get wiped instantly in turn one?
@Antylaw
@Antylaw Жыл бұрын
As per the new FAQ, you can only pick 3 of the SAME unit using Coils of the Hydra instead of 3 units from the same legion :(
@phlxvi
@phlxvi Жыл бұрын
Which faq was this in? :o
@Antylaw
@Antylaw Жыл бұрын
@@phlxvi www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/3s4WA1UGgC15iDp2.pdf
@mintyaroma987
@mintyaroma987 2 жыл бұрын
You missed the important part of Lerneans - they're Line. Place these guys on a mid-field objective and your opponent will have a hard time wrestling that objective off you
@bubbsy8570
@bubbsy8570 2 жыл бұрын
Especially with a primus medicae
@zeekree4596
@zeekree4596 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think the Lernaeans having the Line rule makes them any more useful than regular Terminators for seizing and holding objectives?
@Orlunu
@Orlunu 2 жыл бұрын
Well, given it means that they are actually capable of doing so, yes....
@zeekree4596
@zeekree4596 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Orlunu doh, kinda answered my own question there
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
@@zeekree4596 They can do it, but refer to my pinned post.
@blahblahblah4376
@blahblahblah4376 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, well I'm a little disappointed with the vote since I'm building 3rd Legion, but at least I won't have to wait as long as Dark Angels.
@justususalplayer1329
@justususalplayer1329 2 жыл бұрын
I think you underestimate the value of redeploying 3 key units right before the battle begins. I dont think that smth that is so important in 40k could be so insignificant in HH games
@Orlunu
@Orlunu 2 жыл бұрын
Deployment rules are extremely different, though.
@fluffcrunchmini4572
@fluffcrunchmini4572 2 жыл бұрын
Caan someone teach me how you can take other legions units that have weapons which are not accessible to Alpha Legion? - The rule states that (x) becomes (Alpha Legion) which includes the sub rule - armoury of the alpha legion - removing the armoury option for their native legion. As far as I can see - this prevents the use of many, many units.
@KnightsofTitan
@KnightsofTitan 2 жыл бұрын
Okay so I can take unit from another legion right. So if I take a 10 man squad of contenkar whom have the hq type, can I make them my warlord? They get the LA(alpha legion), so they can't join a character because that rule on them says they have to join a /night lords/character.
@thehappy15a
@thehappy15a 2 жыл бұрын
Please do space wolves next
@basition
@basition 2 жыл бұрын
I AWAIT YOUR WORLD EATERS.
@sagacity1071
@sagacity1071 2 жыл бұрын
Casual reminder not to buy the new GW washes... they broke them.
@marley_1267
@marley_1267 2 жыл бұрын
Why and how did they break them?
@shaquille.oatmeal.9623
@shaquille.oatmeal.9623 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@jamesespinosa690
@jamesespinosa690 2 жыл бұрын
Wait. What the fuck. The Lernaean Terminators can take a volkite CULVERIN??? That is crazy!! A: It blows my mind they give them options that never existed before, and don't currently have bits for. B: It sounds like these termies are positioned to be horde killers. Granted they are a way to expensive for that role to be worth it.
@AKRex
@AKRex 2 жыл бұрын
They are also Line though, so while not perfect that bit alone makes them worth considering imho
@Emperor528
@Emperor528 2 жыл бұрын
Maca Lerneans are also Line troops
@TheOuterCircle
@TheOuterCircle 2 жыл бұрын
I know, I just don't see a huge deal of value in a line unit which has all short-range weapons to camp an objective, I suppose if they are in the enemy deployment zone they can be an objective capping pest, but I can't figure out what they want to be.
@Emperor528
@Emperor528 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheOuterCircle gotcha, yea I don't have any yet and I want to get them, but like you've said their kinda in a weird spot. I'll probably just get 5 for rule of cool 👍🏻
@relaxiarch1449
@relaxiarch1449 2 жыл бұрын
Is taking the gal vorbak with AL a thing that people do? Or are there more fun combos?
@sanninjiraiya
@sanninjiraiya Жыл бұрын
I've been experimenting with Phoenix terminators and fire drakes
@jakobstiefelmayer3259
@jakobstiefelmayer3259 2 жыл бұрын
Seems pretty obvious alpha legion should have kept reserves manipulation if they lost all minor buffs they got to melee via Alpharius a loss decent rites of war. I'm all for high skill cap and challenge but Alpharius got butchered. Dorn stops everything below 4+ yet the pale spear can't be given wound anything on a 3+? The spear cuts through metal with ease
@toooldfortwowheels2048
@toooldfortwowheels2048 4 ай бұрын
I'm committed to Alpha Legion but i feel like almost all their specialities are auper meh. Headhunter Killteams kind of underwhelming, Lerneans very overpriced and righta of war are really meh. Sad times.
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