Option-O's P64 Coffee Grinder Full Review 🔥

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Option-O's P64 Coffee Grinder Full Review 🔥

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@Durrani1984 10 ай бұрын

Have had the P64 with MP burrs for a few months now and I absolutely love it!

@Adam-cn5ib 9 ай бұрын

Do you have any recipe suggestions?

@BurnsRubber 5 ай бұрын

Nice review. I’ve had my P64 with MP burrs for over two years and couldn’t be more pleased. My espresso procedure is 21g basket, lowest RPM and six healthy sprays. The grounds land in the basket so fluffy I’ve found minimal puck preparation works best, and is fast and easy. I lightly level the ground pile then use a healthy knock to compress the grounds and clear off the basket funnel then a leveler, no tamp. My E61 group head has flow control. I start with full flow and 9 bars and reduce flow down to about 5 bars at the end. Shots I just pulled from a Kenyan this morning were sublime. All aspects nicely balanced, high clarity of origin flavors present. The shots are as good as any I’ve had. Another nice feature of the P64 is it is somewhat portable. I take it to vacation rentals and can produce excellent pour-overs for friends and family. It hasn’t skipped a beat. Haven’t cleaned it. Really don’t see any need to unless using nasty oily dark roast. The retention is so low, why bother?

@AlternativeBrewing 5 ай бұрын

so good 🙌 thanks for watching

@tjt6966 10 ай бұрын

Great video... I am in the market for a new pour over only grinder and I can't stop looking at the P64... Your blind cupping at least sealed the deal on the Mizen burrs... awesome job.

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! 👌 Glad I could help

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

It's an easy competition vs the SSP ESPRESSO (HU Burrs) BUT I was thinking maybe one or two of them might make it to the finals lol

@Niikolaii 10 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for the great effort how always! Keep up your work ❤

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

@benjaminbutton3476 10 ай бұрын

Well done on the comparison. The best you can make with one, Vs the best you can make with the other. All brewer and burr comparison should be structured like this

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

thanks! Noted 👌 Was the first time doing it - you tend to drink a lot of coffee (maybe too much 😂 ) doing it this way - trying out all the different recipes - but it did seems to extract the better outcome than using both Burrs at 1 recipe.

@propertwb 3 ай бұрын

It would be nice to hear your opinion on the DF64V vs the P64. It’s obvious that the P64 is a better build, but does it affect the grind quality, especially if they both had the same burrs, say the Mizen Omni’s. Thanks, and I always enjoy your videos. So clear and informative.

@AlternativeBrewing 3 ай бұрын

Noted 👌 thanks

@bflmpsvz870 26 күн бұрын

It is a nice grinder. Will wait until competition pushes price down and they introduce plasma ionizer and fix a few bugs.

@LivingTheLifeRetired 8 ай бұрын

Mine is on the way. I really like the idea that this grinder can go from espresso to pour over fairly easily, which is allowing me to get rid of 2 grinders off my counter. I’m currently using the specialita by eureka for my espresso and am interested to taste the difference. Good video.

@AlternativeBrewing 8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Enjoy!

@TheWizloon 3 ай бұрын

What do you think about the difference in taste?

@abrahimroostaian3474 3 ай бұрын

Now that you have had it for a while, do you feel it was a great purchase for both espresso and pour overs?

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

Great video, thank you :) The Option-O Lagom P64 is definitely one of, or THE best 64mm grinder. This was first out when the Niche Zero was basically the only single dose low retention option, and it was from a company I don't think anyone had heard of before. It's similar to the Niche Zero in it's workflow, cleanliness and just nice to use with no nonsense kinda way, but P64 is much more versatile with many quality flat burr options available, variable RPM and the option of using it direct to portafilter the P64 comes up on top, oh also it can do quality filter/pour over and/or espresso where Niche is more espresso oriented, the only down side to the P64 really was the price. Now we do have more options but I think it's still the best. I have the older model P64 with more body segments (and tool-less burr access, but no resettable 0 point) The Anti-Popcorn never gives me issues (I don't do RDT), but I hear others do have beans that get stuck on it if they do use RDT, and they removed the anti-popcorn part (I don't like RDT for that reason, beans stick to things... it's also an extra variable, it can change the way the coffee grinds, so if you do 1 spray, 2 sprays or 3, or maybe spray from further or closer, you can affect your espresso shot timing). 2:36 I believe you should always (with most if not all grinders) have it running when you're adjusting finer. 8:30 it's even more quiet if you put a lid on the P64 (sold separately by 3rd parties). 8:56 Yeah the Mizen burrs give a pleasant sound! One thing I enjoy about those burrs. I also found they generally give your coffee taste a nice clean finish (ah nice you notice that too later on!) The SSP MP burrs I really like them, but they give a shrill high pitched sound in comparison. For your Speed test here, did you have them both at full, or the same RPM speeds? On the Older P64s I believe the range actually went down to 200RPM, up to the same 1400RPM I never had it stall on me, but I have had it with some burrs grinding a light roast espresso at lower RPM it may kind of hesitate for a fraction of a second and then resume. My Weber Key also did that same thing (some people report theirs would totally lock up though). 10:40 one of my favorite things about the grinder, the excellent Dosing Ring is magnetic and doesn't intrude IN the coffee bed, I found on the WEIRDly shaped Weber Unifilter portafilter it didn't work so well, which is more of a problem with the Weber Unifilter because they chose to have a sharp triangle-like ledge rather than a rounded ledge to their basket (which is the portafilter in this case). The Weber Buck Portafilter with a Unibasket should work better I believe. 12:55 Interesting Mizen burrs didn't need to go as fine as the SSP HU/Espresso burrs did, I'm guessing you have the updated version of the Mizen burrs with the sandblasted rather than smooth moonshine treatment? I have the Moonshined version and it requires a very fine grind size for espresso usually like 50 microns or 0.5 ticks! WITH SSP MP burrs I think I noticed more of a difference between high and low RPM, higher RPM = Less clarity more body/fines it seems, and Lower RPM seems to accentuate acidity, but gives more flavour clarity. 20:00 (Spoiler Alert) Yeah The SSP HU aren't the greatest for filter coffee, they ARE better than the old DF64 Italmill burrs that came with the DF64 though. SSP MP burrs are a good option for BOTH espresso and Pour over or other coarser brewing, not the HU/Espresso burrs! I also enjoyed the older stock P64 burrs for both espresso and coarser grinding, which look similar to the Gorilla Gear burrs (a lot of them look similar, like the ODE burrs, Eureka Oro SD/XL burrs, and DF64v /Gen2 burrs now as well). 23:20 Neither of those WDT Tools are ideal, you're better off with a cheap 3d printed 'peoples' WDT tool with 0.30mm needles and no middle needle (that's how I make em anyway). The Normcore one has needles too closely packed together. Yeah True, RPM dial is silly just number it 3 - 14 (300 rpm to 1400 RPM) and have it aligned, easy peeeezy

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

Wow thanks so much for your input, legend! 🫶 On both accounts, yes. Same RPM - however this was also prior to understanding Grind Size differences - so set on #2 for both - in reality the Mizen burr should have been set coarser to be at an equal grind size - .. nm. Also - I do have the updated Mizen burr that is sand blasted 👌 - I actually have both Mizen Burrs, and prefer the sand blasted version. - I thought to do a bit about it - but decided not to - as it might confuse many - as Im sure there's loads of variations of the P64 out there, as you yourself mention having an OG.

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

@@AlternativeBrewing Cool sounds like the updated Mizen burrs are good! They still have good clarity!? I thought for espresso the HU had decent clarity but it's been a while since I had those burrs. Thanks for your reply.

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

100% Especially in that filter range 👌 @@BensCoffeeRants

@_Brewn 9 ай бұрын

i have my p64 with HU now for a year and i love it every day, so much, that im thinking about to buying another one and put my lab sweet burrs in and make it dedicated for my filterbrews ... its that solid! thought about buying a lagom 01 but i'm happy right now, so no need to spend double the amount (tax and customs) for something similar. there are so many 64mm burrs sets to test and they arent as expensive as the 98mm burrs, so its cheaper to play around! i was able to test the new Mizen ES burrs from Option O over the last 3 weeks (they will be announced soon) and they are between the HU and the MP, really interesting! you can change the personality ot the p64 with ease and the workflow is sooo simple becaus of the small footprint, the high materials and the flexability of the P64 !

@AlternativeBrewing 9 ай бұрын

Epic 👌

@sf2189 4 ай бұрын

I just bought a P64 with HU burrs to go along with my new Linea Mini. It's my end game set up. I will get rid go the D83V with the same burr set when it arrives in the next 60 days. There is just something to be said for hand made equipment vs chinese mass manufactured ones. The DF83v is great, just not end game for me. Ironically I am keeping my DF64II with LS burrs (that came horribly misaligned) as that has just become such an amazing all around grinder.

@AlternativeBrewing 4 ай бұрын

EPIC 🔥 Yeah I love my DF64 for most brews equally 👌

@sf2189 4 ай бұрын

@@AlternativeBrewing the DF64II with the SL burrs is my everything else grinder. That thing is a tank.

@gregoryjacob7776 10 ай бұрын

FYI it doesn't come with the versa cup anymore, but the standard grinds cup

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

They made the original big dosing cup a little smaller now after many people really disliked the VERSA Cup. The original big 'clunky' one that James Hoffman criticized, I actually felt the same way that it was unnecessarily large / heavy BUT I've grown to appreciate it a lot more after having other dosing cups. The only thing it really is missing is a lip so it would work on other grinders with portafilter forks like the DF series grinders! The smooth anodized interior that wasn't so deep is much nicer / easier to clean out and has less retention than something like the cup the Zerno comes with currently. Haven't tried the new metal DF83/64 cups but the plastic ones I thought were good, although I did have one break when something fell on it, and took me way too long using it with the Monolith Flat grinder that the plastic cup was causing excessive static! LIKE CRAZY static. Metal cup or using a funnel / direct to portafilter worked much nicer with the Monolith, others may have similar issues using a plastic dosing cup (potentially). It didn't seem to affect the DF64 strangely. Niche Zero dosing cup is also very nice, but I don't think it has a lip for using on regular portafilter holding forks either.

@Hoshino2006 6 ай бұрын

I can't choice,sliver or black....I need help.

@cliffcox7643 7 ай бұрын

I have the SSP Brew Burrs... going from Pietro and Kinu.

@AlternativeBrewing 7 ай бұрын

Great upgrade!

@patompoomwichitchoti6051 9 ай бұрын

Mizen64ES is coming .

@Abrikosmanden 10 ай бұрын

I replaced a hyper aligned EK43s with SSP burrs with an Option-O Lagos P64 almost three years ago and haven't looked back. It is an amazing grinder, and it has even been improved since the version that I bought. If you have P64 money, it just cannot be recommended highly enough!

@Syd7088 10 ай бұрын

hi, what do you usually drink? Espresso or Pour over?

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

So good! 🙌

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

Not missing the 98mm burrs? :O

@Syd7088 10 ай бұрын

@@BensCoffeeRants please tell me it’s definitely worth it with 98mm p100 vs 64mm on p64 😅 I’ve crawling KZfaq and Reddit this few days and still can’t decide. Plus there’s Lagom 01 now 😝

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

@@Syd7088 I never had a 98mm burr grinder (yet :'( ) I have a P64 and had many 64mm burrs grinders, Some 75mm and The largest I've had was a DF83 and 83mm conical Weber Key/HG2. I think larger burrs seem like they tend to open up a little more depth to coffee, but it's subtle. I noticed a huge step up going from 54/55mm burrs to 64mm, I think after that it's definitely diminishing returns. I did have a nice Gesha pour over on an EK43 at a roaster/cafe, I got the same beans to make at home and did a pour over on my P64 with SSP MP burrs and both were good, we did brew them differently and using different water, but I'm not sure I can choose which I liked more (based on memory of both). So I don't think we're missing out on too much. OF course with everyone getting the new Lagom 01 If people are selling their P100's cheap I might just pick one up :D Right now I have too many grinders so I'll wanna sell something off first. I got my Monolith Flat (75mm) listed for sale and HG2.

@Mandragara 9 ай бұрын

It'd be interesting to compare fixed dose grind time vs RPM, because you could multiply the two to see which RPM performs the least turns\cuts to grind the coffee

@AlternativeBrewing 9 ай бұрын

ooohhh, I like this experiment 👌

@Tomas-CZE 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for another great video. I’m blessed to be an owner of this grinder with recently updated Mizen burrs, not Moonshine, but Sandblasted (matte) finish. After 1 month of use I am pretty satisfied both with espresso and filter coffee brewing. ❤ For filter I usually set it to #5.5, 1100rpm. That is why your recommended #7.0 setting seems quite coarse to me, isn’t it? #9.0 would be extremely fast and under extracted imo. Am I misunderstanding the table? 🙂

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info! Glad you’re enjoying it! Yes, for a Cupping grind - it tends to favour a slightly coarser grind than other methods. I would say Aeropress & 1-2 cup PourOvers would benefit from a finer filter grind like you’ve mentioned 💯

@Tomas-CZE 10 ай бұрын

@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you very much for your response. It should have dawned on me it’s a cupping grind, obviously… I must have been not all there while watching. 😄

@JeepBigE 7 ай бұрын

A really well done review.

@manityjones7306 7 ай бұрын

Fantastic video and I love mine

@AlternativeBrewing 7 ай бұрын

Right on!

@conradkongstad8973 10 ай бұрын

Whats your thoughts on P64 vs DF64v? Have you tried to compare the two? I would love to see a blind taste test with those to grinders, to see if there is an in cup difference

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

Great suggestion! I'll see if I can line this up 👌 Burrs are different - so I imagine this would play a major role - however - if you're saying install both the same burrs and testing - I'd say they'd be fairly close on profile 👌

@laurelberger9874 10 ай бұрын

You noted the P64’s consistency and I wonder if you can quantify that compared to the DF64v from your somewhat recent review of it. Would it be along lines of with P64 you get consistent flavors within same grind/recipe 9 of 10 shots whereas with DF64v same grind/recipe you get less consistent flavors-results more like only 7 of 10 shots? In your P64 review you noted getting consistent flavors often versus with other grinders only getting that a few times through using of an entire bag of beans and I wonder how that % of consistent results per bag differs between P64 & DF64v. Wondering if I’m thinking this pattern is accurate and then it’s decision save $ DF64v but 3 out of 10 shots mediocre vs pay more $ for only 1 out of 10 so so results. Thank you.

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

@@laurelberger9874I haven't used the DF64v but I've had many DF64 and a DF83 the quality control on them can vary, but they are a good value, the DF64V is basically a knock off of the P64. RPM Range (where it counts) is a little more limited on the DF64v and there's reports of stalling at lower RPM, I think P64 motor and build quality is going to be much superior but DF64v is as usual a great value if the P64 isn't within your budget. I think with any grinder / burrs you're going to get not so great results with espresso especially when you're not dialed in very well. But some do seem more forgiving than others. You still gotta work to get your stuff dialed in right :) There's no magic make everything amazing grinder or burr set although some have a larger sweet spot.

@laurelberger9874 10 ай бұрын

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

That's a great take on it for sure 👌 I would agree with this, andyes, I cannot quantify this - as I didn't make 10 shots back to back on each grinder to note the differences. Anecdotal more so, the coffees that I had time and time again from the P64 were all fantastic. Across several weeks of daily coffees - and this is a rare occasion. What usually tends to happen is when I take a Grinder home to test - after dialling in, it's that initial "wow how different!' moment and this trails off over the course of time - however with the P64, each coffee was one I was sublime with. End of the day - you can find Gridners at a more affordable cost that will make just as good coffee - but if I were to try quantify something - it would be, small attributes to the P64, like workflow, speed, adjustment, cleanliness and taste - just bump it up like 5-10% better than other Gridners - or better explained as an analogy of - driving a old car vs a brand new Mercedes ... you'll still get to to same place (generally speaking) but it's how you got there and how comfortable a ride that adds to the overall enjoyment of the journey.

@laurelberger9874 10 ай бұрын

@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you. I was trying to paraphrase your findings-comments with it you were "..able to extract consistent flavors that only get glimpses of with other grinders from an entire bag of same beans.." so I could better understand. One hears mainly burrs matter but seems the little bit more retention-regrinding or lash in grind adjustment or maybe motor not totally maintaining RPM during grind in less expensive grinders causes that little inconsistency in results. Those intangibles of great results from P64 pretty big notch above Eureka Oro SD or Eureka Atom 65 or say Mazzer SJ?

@GG-ze8xv 8 ай бұрын

Is the p64 good for pour over and espresso?

@AlternativeBrewing 8 ай бұрын

It works very well with both! Easy to jump between settings - and capable of swapping burrs out for ideal burr sets for one or another method - or have a hybrid burr set such as the OMNI burr from Option-O or SSP Lab Sweet 👌

@iwouldpayattention 10 ай бұрын

I wonder how option-o and zerno will fare in a world with the Mazzer Philos. Available for preorder for €1099. You'd have to really want to save on space to spring for a P64 or Z1 instead

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

Very limited info on the philos at the moment - I haven’t spoken to anyone who’s used one - and certainly a few months off of delivery- in Australia at least. No adjustment to rpm ? And grind dial is at the back 🤔 No Grinder is perfect but these seriously

@iwouldpayattention 10 ай бұрын

@@AlternativeBrewing It’s true, each has their strengths: brushless variable RPM on the P64, and an auger/prebreaker for vertical blinds on the Z1. Auger feed is higher on the wish list than variable RPM for many of us. Not that I have experience with either. Assuming the Philos is well-aligned, it would outperform the P64 on paper for many, even before considering that it’s much cheaper. The visual geometry of its unimodal burrs looks promising too.

@JulesAUS 8 ай бұрын

If you don't mind sharing, where did you see the Philos available for pre-order? I contacted Mazzer last week and they told me the price had not been determined yet. Availability in Europe should be around Feb.

@Syd7088 10 ай бұрын

Hi Josh, will you include SSP MP with the P64 in the future, please? thanks

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

Option-O has not confirmed this at this stage - the current options are pre-installed prior to us receiving them in the warehouse.

@Syd7088 10 ай бұрын

@@AlternativeBrewing thank you 👌

@JimboJones99 10 ай бұрын

So is RDT necessary? … the DF64 Gen2 comes with a plasma generator which is a game changer for mess free grinding

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

It is for static yes - it does still create some static around the chute

@BensCoffeeRants 10 ай бұрын

I don't use RDT with my P64, sometimes I remember it being messy mostly chaff sticking to the chute when grinding coarser for pour over but I don't mind a little chaff on the chute, I got a little vac with a brush dedicated for cleaning up coffee :D Lately it's been better behaved, not sure if it's due to being more seasoned or just the humidity / climate. My other grinder has an ionizer but still makes more of a mess lol I don't think its working right (it's not a DF64 gen2).

@radiantav 10 ай бұрын

That silence, it’s uncanny. I am using GOAT Arco 2in1 for occasional single dose and it’s super loud. Great little grinder but so loud. Every time I encounter P64, my wallet twitches

@AlternativeBrewing 10 ай бұрын

hahahaI know! yup same here. Having two of these Grinders was like rolling in a field of poppies! When you get a quiet grinder eventually 🫶 you'll wonder why you ever put up with a loud one for so long 😂

@rayzar6720 7 ай бұрын

At AU$ 2449 WOW. Don't think my coffee would taste any better.

@manityjones7306 7 ай бұрын

Love mine

@davidjschmeling646 9 ай бұрын

Does the P64 require RDT?

@AlternativeBrewing 9 ай бұрын

Yes/no. Most single dosing grinder do to some degree - if you're wanting close to zero static retention - the P64 however is better than most when not RDTing 👌

@BurnsRubber 5 ай бұрын

RDT is essential. I use six healthy sprays resulting in minimal static and ideal fluffy pile of grounds in my basket.

@maximilianhild3208 3 ай бұрын

lol this feels like full blown advertisement

@AlternativeBrewing 3 ай бұрын

Full blown? 🧐 where’s the Jingle? I don’t think the P64 needs much attention - IYKYK

@jontpt 10 ай бұрын

$1600 US for a 64 mil grinder??? Lol! If you want RPM control, get a light switch dimmer - $10! 😂

@Mandragara 10 ай бұрын

Not how it works. RPM normally varies a lot during a grind as the load varies a lot. A dimmer will just reduce power and do nothing to address that.

@jontpt 10 ай бұрын

@@Mandragara Ok, and how does this grinder address that?

@Mandragara 10 ай бұрын

@@jontpt There is a control loop that monitors RPM and pulses power as appropriate in order to maintain a constant RPM. It requires a circuit board with extra logic and an understanding of how the grinder responds to changes in input. Think PID temperature control in an espresso machine. There can be no PID, bad PID, good PID control etc.

@jontpt 10 ай бұрын

@@MandragaraSo basically any grinder without control loop circuitry (99.37%) will grind inaccurately. Verrrry interestink... Think dimmer switch

@jontpt 10 ай бұрын

And, btw, a PWM controller is a very inexpensive piece of kit, if that's what this thing is using, since nothing in the specs mentions anything about feedback-controlled motor speeds.