Alternatives to Shaper's rip-off router bits

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Жыл бұрын

This is a video showing you alternative bits that are much cheaper than the router bits sold on Shaper Tools’ website. The prices that Shaper Tools offers for their bits are really expensive, and you can find much cheaper alternatives that will do a similar job. This video provides some examples.
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@orzellezro Жыл бұрын

This is a "must watch" channel for anyone with a shaper Origin. Keep up the good work.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind words. I am super pumped to hear that my channel is helpful to you!

@gga3053 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video and for all of your Shaper videos. I have learned quite a bit from your videos and have ordered almost all of your router bit recommendations. Keep up the great work!

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Most welcome, I am super pumped if these videos are helpful and it's great to get the positive feedback.

@sputnik4216 7 ай бұрын

You took 'dem woids right outta my mouth! Thank you Wooden Soul for saying what needs to be said. I luv my Origin too.

@Woodensoul 7 ай бұрын

Most welcome 👊🏼

@CuttingKerfs Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all of the Origin videos and for adding all the spec's on products you use in your descriptions! Much appreciated. Keep 'em coming!

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Most welcome, glad this is helpful, and thanks for watching

@jimtaylor4103 Жыл бұрын

I love that 1/8" bit sold in a pack of 10, I cruise through cherry at a fantastic speed with that bit with a great cut quality.... and I'm still using my first bit. Thanks for your previous video on that bit.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Right? I am also baffled by how good these bits are. I have also not managed to break one yet, therefore I am still using my first box. And for that price? It's a steal...

@pacificdune Жыл бұрын

Based on your previous video I had already purchased the set of clearing bits, and they are top notch! Took a while to get to Arizona, but Amazon came through.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know. I never figured out if the international shipping really works, so this is good to know. And glad you like them - I also use them all the time 😁

@steinarsmastuen9433 Жыл бұрын

I thinks it great that you follow up thee topics !! Thanks 🙂

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hello Steinar. Most welcome - and thanks for watching :D

@haleccles1971 Жыл бұрын

Rennie Tool Company in the UK have a very good range of cutters at reasonable prices.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Thanks Hal, that is super helpful. I might look them up and link them in the video description, so viewers can benefit from the wisdom of the crowd.

@mrnobelnigel Жыл бұрын

Thanks for researching and compiling this alternative list of cutters. Shaper Tools seems to be adopting a similar marketing strategy to Stella Artois; ‘Reassuringly Expensive”. 🤔😂

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Haha... reassuringly expensive :D Sometimes it's good to have constant things in life, maybe Shaper prices are one of them. Thanks for your kind words, Paul. Cheers, Javier

@kiwdwks Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this video. Appreciate your list of bits to save us all money. You have been a wealth of information regarding Origin...thank you!

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Ahw... thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words, Mark. I am pumped to hear the videos have been helpful, and happy woodworking to you :D

@lenkuffert7428 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for including so many countries in your links list. I feel the same way about the Shaper Origin. It’s a brilliant system, but when the accountants get involved, it’s hard to sacrifice money we could be using to buy wood etc.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hi Len. Most welcome. Living in Switzerland, I have experienced it very often that the links are US only, hence I try to expand (although covering the world is difficult).

@lenkuffert7428 Жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul Many cool things available in the US are often too expensive to ship here to Canada. At least Shaper has its own Canadian site, regardless of the high price of some bits.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

@@lenkuffert7428 Same here with things in Germany. These often don't ship to Switzerland, or it's very expensive. At least I live close to the German border, so I just let it ship there and pick it up myself...

@paulward7754 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the time you have spent in providing this information, it is really useful

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Most welcome Paul, and thanks for watching!

@johnmmiller 11 ай бұрын

Thank you, thank you very much for compiling the information for us

@Woodensoul 11 ай бұрын

Most welcome 👊🏼

@kendavis1325 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this information. Your videos are always very informative. I think this pricing from Shaper lately is related to them being bought out by Festool. I hate it but I am afraid the next Free Upgrade will not be Free.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Festool explanation sounds reasonable, given they are a high margin company. It's a bummer, and I didn't expect it to come that extreme. But I am still hopeful that there will be more free updates, Ken, let's not lose hope :D

@kendavis1325 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your research. Your work should be well rewarded

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, Ken! This is really generous of you, and I am super happy if these videos are helpful to you! Happy holidays to you and your family!

@docderwood 5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Woodensoul 5 ай бұрын

You are welcome, and thank you so much 🙏🏼

@klauswilk2467 Жыл бұрын

Klar kann man immer preiswertere Fräser finden. Aber der Vergleich hinkt. Z.B. der 16x16 Fräser für 159 EUR ist im Gegensatz zur aufgezeigten zweischneidigen Alternative von ENT ein dreischneidiger Fräser, der aufwendig aus einem Stück gefertigt wurde. Wenn man nach derartigen Fräsern sucht, die zudem auch noch läger als 60mm sind, dann ist die Auswahl sehr klein und die Preise sind sehr hoch. Das hat nichts mit Abzocke zu tun.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hallo Klaus. Danke für deinen Beitrag, und ich bin absolut einverstanden mit dir. Deshalb erwähne ich ja, dass die Bits "ähnlich aber nicht gleich sind". Jemand soll entscheiden können, ob man die Qualität die man für den dreifachen Preis bezahlst (wenn du den Set-Preis nimmst, dann den sechsfachen Preis) benötigt oder nicht. Ich für mich bin mit der Schnittqualität vom ENT Fräser sehr zufrieden. Gruss, Javier

@snorre9948 Жыл бұрын

Also ich habe den 16x16 von SO und ich liebe ihn. Das ist echt ein Biest. Super sauber und mega scharf. Die Flächen die er am Boden hinterläßt sind extrem glatt. Wichtig ist auch die durchgehende Schneide, bei den ent müsste in der Mitte etwas stehen bleiben wenn man ins Material eintaucht. Auch hat er eine Spiralnut, wodurch die späne besser weggeschafft werden. Aber ich gebe dir recht, dass er zu teuer ist. Die SO Preise sind für professionelle Kunden gemacht, bei denen es um Zeit geht, die man spart wenn man damit arbeitet, die mwst ist dann auch kein Problem. Für uns Hobby Bauer ist es schon sehr heftig.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

@@snorre9948 Es freut mich sehr, dass du damit zufrieden bist und dass er gut schneidet. Es wäre ja wirklich krass, wenn man für den Preis einen schlechten Fräser bekommen würde. Beim ENT Fräser bleibt in der Mitte nichts stehen, da er "oben" und an den Seiten eine Klinge hat. Aber es haben so viele gesagt, dass der von SO gut ist, dass ich mir überlege ihn zu kaufen, nur um eine Vergleichsvideo zu dem von ENT zu machen und zu schauen, was die Vor- und Nachteile sind. Aber mal schauen... Danke für das Feedback, ist toll...

@lush462 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for this wonderful information and links! I do wonder if one would use the expensive US Whiteside router bits with the shaper origin if it would cut better/faster/more smooth...

@lush462 5 ай бұрын

Oh nvm lol. I did not know many expensive Shaper bits where actually from Whiteside...

@Woodensoul 5 ай бұрын

I don't know Whiteside bits, but yes, the Shaper bits are good quality and pricey

@HHWS Жыл бұрын

As usual my friend a great topic and vid. I totally agree with you about the bits. It’s hard to understand paying that level of pricing for something like this. It all comes down to perceived value, and as you demonstrated, we’ll I don’t see it. I do gravitate to higher quality router bits than most, as long as the price is reasonable. I love Whiteside bits for example, but have also bought different types of engraving bits on Amazon. I just use the Whiteside bits more thus, I look for better steel in the cutter. No need to apologize about Shaper my friend, what you do with your vids is invaluable. The way I see it your just keeping them honest!

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hello Henry my friend. I will check out Whiteside. Multiple people suggested different brands, I might add them to the description, so people have more options to chose from. I hope your below-zero-woodworking is going well and looking forward to see more pictures :D

@HHWS Жыл бұрын

Insulated my shop this year. Giving me an extra 10 -12 degrees of warmth. Heating bill should be a little cheaper lol. Small price to pay for following a passion. I’m building something right now for someone. And it’s quite unique. I’ll show you first once completed. Would love your option. Whiteside bits are great. I needed to do some flush trim work on templating and splurged for the ultimate bit. Not cheap, but like the 2200 router a total beast. It has a healthy appetite. Lol

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

@@HHWS Oh, now I am very very very curious to see it :D

@dwandy210 Жыл бұрын

you didn't discuss the cut quality. I have purchased cheap bits on amazon that were disappointing and more expensive better bits from woodcraft or rockler that were definitely better cut quality.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hi David. Thanks for your thoughtful response and you are absolutely right. The main reason I didn't compare cut quality is, that I actually have not bought the SO bits, and I am not planning to spend that money. But I think I did explicitly mention, that there is a quality difference, as the expensive bits are hopefully of better quality. People need to decide what quality they are looking for, and the video provides the options so they can explore the space. Thanks again, Javier

@TimEpperson Жыл бұрын

Great video! Great channel. Thanks!

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim, pumped you like it 😁 And thank you so much for your tip - super kind of you!

@pctatc66 Жыл бұрын

theres a 1/8" compression bit on amazon thats fabulous. come in a pack of 5 for 16bucks. company that makes them is Hozly (lets see if this one gets deleted by the KZfaq algorithm. they market them as up & Down cut so look for them that way

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hi Dean. I do know the Hozly bits and love them. I might look em up and add them to the list, thanks for reminding me. They are of astonishing quality for the low price. Cheers, Javier

@basementwoodshop Жыл бұрын

Another educational video, thank you brother!

@basementwoodshop Жыл бұрын

Here in US there is saying , you get what you paid for …so my question to you brother. How is longevity of the bits ?How clean can those bit cut ? In fact . How many cuts can I accomplish with cheap bits compared to the one from shaper origin ?

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Most welcome my friend, glad if you like the video. I don't have a good/valid answer for you, because I haven't done a scientific evaluation. What I can say, is that from all in general, I haven't had awful experience with cheap bits and only rarely do they break. The 1/8" for instance, I still have the full set of 10, and they still cut like a charm. One source of information are also the Amazon ratings. If bits have 4+ stars from a couple of dozen people, that is usually a good sign that these are sold constantly with good results. But I do assume that the ones from Shaper are better quality, might last longer and sometimes cut more cleanly. I certainly hope they do, given the price difference. So I would take cut quality into account: If you work often on things where you need perfect cut quality, buying a more expensive one should be worth it.

@basementwoodshop Жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul thanks again 🙏🏽 I will give it a try .

@R0gue6729 10 ай бұрын

I just received my origin and I'm anxious to use it for the first time. In the videos I've watched i see that you tell the machine what bit you're using... if you put in a 2mm cnc bit how can you tell the machine what you're using? Does it recognize all other bit sizes and styles that shaper doesn't sell?

@Woodensoul 10 ай бұрын

Welcome to the Shaper Family 👊🏼 You are correct. The SO can’t check if the bit is from Shapertools or noty You just tell it it’s size and that’s it. I have a long „getting started“ video walking you through the unpacking and setting it up, if you didn’t see that: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZqeXq72TzdTSXZ8.htmlsi=nzpS9ffoC8uhMQs5

@bradstave9806 Жыл бұрын

Thanks man! FYI, your Google Doc link is broken...mind shooting it here again in a response?

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Damn, I screwed up my file and have to recreate it. Here are the links for Amazon.com (will recreate other countries this weekend): docs.google.com/document/d/1BzQDydF0NWF3UAum6vwaIS9lNRYwKNCdVOGCRNFyttg/edit?usp=sharing

@vulgarwoodworks Жыл бұрын

With the exception of the bits supplied at purchase, I've never bought from Shaper. White Side, Amana, etc are significantly less expensive than Shaper. Bits I know I'm going to eventually break (1mm or tapered bits for engraving) I buy from Amazon. There are lots of more economical options for Shaper accessories, just do your research

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughtful comment and the providing the brands. I might look some of them up and provide them to my viewers in the description, to broaden the options.

@iq0099 Жыл бұрын

Agree! 100%

@dwandy210 Жыл бұрын

no background noise is best

@pctatc66 Жыл бұрын

you already complained about that once.. you don't get to complain twice.. KZfaq rules!

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think you might be right. I was also torn apart about it and might leave it out in the future, thanks David.

@devinteske Жыл бұрын

You compared a 3-flute spiral 16mm bit to a 2-flute straight 16mm bit. Then said maybe there is some magic in the 3-flute one. Yeah, more flutes, better cut quality, spiral flutes, faster feed/plunge rates. Why is it triple the cost? Because it performs faster, cuts cooler, and leaves a better finish. I have looked for 3-flute plunging spiral bits similar to Shaper Tools 16mm bit and am not finding one.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hi Devin. Absolutely, I am not debating that, in fact that is why I have mentioned "similar, not the same". The point of the video is for people to compare and decide what they need. I have been very happy with the 2-flute one and have no need to spend triple the money for better cut quality. Comparing the cut qualities would have been nice, but as I am not planning to spend that money for a router bit, someone else will have to do that video. Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Javier

@devinteske Жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul the other points you made about other bits I feel was spot-on. That 16mm but is a unique creation though, and I would try it but it requires a different collet than what I have unfortunately.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

@@devinteske I requires the 8mm collet, right? I know buying collets is expensive too, but I have found this to be a good investment, because it's a pain in the but to not be able to use certain bits because of the bloody shank sizes. I have a video about shank sizes: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ra-Fl5Zou9vJlI0.html. If I have some time, I will try to find such a 16mm one too, it's hard to imagine nobody makes them?

@mikeberumen344 9 ай бұрын

What has happened to the alternate bit sources? Seems that they are now available via Amazon Germany.

@Woodensoul 9 ай бұрын

Can you say more about your question? Not sure I understand. The ENT bits are only available through Amazon.de, but these are shipped worldwide (pay attention to the footnote)

@mikeberumen344 9 ай бұрын

@@Woodensoul thanks. I have purchased them in the past but didn’t realize they were from Germany.

@JasonOnStage Жыл бұрын

Your links don't work for the USA. The ENT are not showing up do you have a link for the USA?

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hi Jason. The links for ENT should work, but what might be happening, is that Amazon.de (Germany) might be routing you to Amazon.com (where the ENT aren't sold). If that happens, go manually to amazon.de and log in with your amazon.com account (that works). Once you are logged into Amazon.de, use the provided link (amzn.to/3wLqvPj) again. If that still doesn't work, search for ENT 09010 (for the entire set) or ENT 10987 (for the 16mm only) on Amazon.de. They ship internationally, so you should be able to order.

@JasonOnStage Жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul Thank you much, that is exactly what was happening. I don't know if they will ship from Germany to USA, but I'll give it a try. Thanks for providing all this information, couldn't find it anywhere else on the web!!

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Great Jason. Let me know if it works. According to them they ship worldwide, so I was assuming this should work. Have fun!

@petertougaard3334 Жыл бұрын

Your link is empty.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Damn, I accidentally deleted the document. Here are the links for Amazon.com, I will recreate other countries over the weekend. docs.google.com/document/d/1BzQDydF0NWF3UAum6vwaIS9lNRYwKNCdVOGCRNFyttg/edit?usp=sharing

@JasonOnStage Жыл бұрын

Me too, not buying their bits

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club, Jason :D

@Line-vw5io Жыл бұрын

The prices you say from shaper, are excl tax The other prices also? 😛

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hey Line. In all honesty, it varies from country to country, and afaik from state to state, so you will have to check it out. I didn't talk about taxes, because of the huge variation that you have between states/countries...

@dwandy210 Жыл бұрын

Thanks. background music in your video is annoying

@pctatc66 Жыл бұрын

right?? he usually has kick ass music playing

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Everyone get's to make a bad choice from time to time, right? I don't know what happened this week to me, I must have been in a weird mood. Argentina losing to Saudia Arabia threw me off I think :D

@pierrick1705 10 ай бұрын

don't put music on your videos man so annoying in 2x

@Woodensoul 10 ай бұрын

Haha... yeah, I got that feedback and stopped doing it since then, so please calm down :D

@teac117 Жыл бұрын

Smells like you're holding a grudge and going click baity.

@fingersmicke8856 Жыл бұрын

I agree. So much bellyaching going on. Don’t like the price of the bits, don’t buy them. Don’t like the price of auto pass, don’t buy it. Don’t like the price of studio, don’t buy it. It’s like listening to a child. Btw, I like the list of alternative bits, but I would venture to guess the quality of these alternatives are inferior in some instances.

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Hi Téa. Actually, that isn't my intention at all. I am very sorry if that is the impression you got. I am trying to provide alternatives for people who can't or who don't want to spend that money. But thanks for the feedback, I will take it to heart and next video won't be about Shaper at all :D

@Woodensoul Жыл бұрын

Agree about the quality, that is why I mention it. For that money, I am sure you are getting good quality bits with Shaper, anything else would be outrageous. Other than that, it is not my goal to be wining, it is my goal to provide alternatives to SO users, in case they can't or don't want to afford those bits. I think the video does make that clear?