How to use the extra gear in an 18 speed

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alwaysoffroad

alwaysoffroad

16 жыл бұрын

Video of me driving a kenworth K104B to Townsville

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@conin76
@conin76 12 жыл бұрын
my 4 year old son loves this. he kicks back with his feet up on the desk with his drink and watches this over & over & over again. nice driving. thumbs up from us.
@shaned8845
@shaned8845 14 жыл бұрын
The perfect gear for moving off from a standing start when bobtail
@ElioFrankAnthony
@ElioFrankAnthony 14 жыл бұрын
we had a big dispute about that with Eaton & Mt Cotton many years ago, we were running Cairns north to Mosman along the cliff road in doubles & Mt Cotton would reasese our driving every 6 months, anyway a lot of us were useing that gear at the top of hills rather than go back into the bottom box well big dramma & we were stopped doing it. They evan worked out how to make it show up on their GPS & new if we were using it, Eaton would not fix the box's under warranty if we were using that gear tx
@Farmer_1776
@Farmer_1776 2 жыл бұрын
I used to run trains( double hopper bottoms) in South Dakota. Regularly got into 160 000 lbs. The mystery gear is very handy for getting an extra low split in high range. Turning and accelerating always went faster with it. Good luck to ya from the states. Take care!
@1966human
@1966human 16 жыл бұрын
Good on you man your a credit to your profession and company . Im going for my heavy ridgid soon , this is great advice from a very good driver .
@stayingman
@stayingman 16 жыл бұрын
You have done a super job with this video! I was struck by the tight quarters, they seem tighter than I remember. I've spec'ed n sold new custom KW's for over 20 years, but it has been 10 years or so since KW stopped building the cabover in N America. We are spoiled. Here, drivers gripe if they must duck their head as they walk back to get into the bunk. ;)
@fullysiktrucka
@fullysiktrucka 12 жыл бұрын
i found this vid very helppful and gave me alot of insight, i love trucks, basically been on one, dad had an 8v92 gm in a white road commander runnin Hay to Boort, now im 18 and will be going for my liscence soon so i been a bit nervouse about the gears, so thanks mate
@ThePugMonkey
@ThePugMonkey 12 жыл бұрын
At last, a trucker video with the steering wheel on the correct side. Good on ya bloke!
@stewedapple
@stewedapple 14 жыл бұрын
Hi Austpom333, I went for my first day today. Wow! There is so much to pay attention too! "Keep cool", that's great advice! Thanks mate.
@JerryWick
@JerryWick 12 жыл бұрын
Hey mate. cheers from the states! Im a young driver from the USA, working in the oil fields of North Dakota. I drive a Kenny T600 with a thirteen speed, and found this "bonus" gear by total accident one day. It really works slick, especially when making a turn onto a road. I do not have to waste time shifting into lowrange into 5th, I can stay in high range by slipping into this "bonus" slot. Works like a charm, good to see others who have discovered this. !!!
@TonyqTiger
@TonyqTiger 12 жыл бұрын
Wow this car runs a touch to the knob, spool spooling at approximately 6psi with nary a finger on the cursor! Simply magical this shows the advancements made in the alpha soui industry. Puts me on shear pins and needles.
@btjohnson83
@btjohnson83 16 жыл бұрын
MAN that right hand drive sure does look funky.
@BigRiggerJ
@BigRiggerJ 16 жыл бұрын
thanks, i only got a couple years left before i go to get my CDL so this trick/tip will help me.
@SPTSuperSprinter156
@SPTSuperSprinter156 15 жыл бұрын
Nice video, and what a nice truck you have too :)
@steveleadbeater
@steveleadbeater 13 жыл бұрын
@Dragon150043 Thats what I alway thought too......until I drove my first Semitrailer in 20 years and found that the improvements included driving like a normal car and not having to 'double shuffle" the clutch.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 12 жыл бұрын
@AUSSIEGIZMO76 I also do heavy haul work ( well up to 140ton only) and the answer is NO I don't and never will use this gear while carting anthing more than a B-Double. Glad you have you opinion and have expressed it, as that's what youtube should be used for. Thankfully I am a fully qualified driver trainer now and also have many driving awards so I feel as though you may have taken this video to seriously. It's just to show you CAN use it if need be. Not to say it should be common use
@garytoft9447
@garytoft9447 Жыл бұрын
Can do a similar thing with Reverse in these gearboxes. Start off in Low range Reverse then shift into a ratio that was between Lo and Int. We called it "angel gear" Reverse. Perfect for a long reverse out of a cane paddock (several hundred meters) with a full load that Int Reverse couldn't pull from a stop.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 13 жыл бұрын
@turbancp WEll I'm also a heavy mechanical fitter and have worked on and rebuilt many Roadrangers over the years. if you ask any of the mechanics that work at roadranger they'll tell you it has nothing to do with the gearbox but the driver. Because the teeth on the dog ring are not rounded off like other gears if you dont engage them at exactly the right revs they can grab and send shock through the box and that's what stuffs them. My mates truck has 26 yrs of use like this and is still fine
@stayingman
@stayingman 14 жыл бұрын
Transmission trivia: Going up, the top three ratios in the Eaton Fuller low inertia 13 & 18 speed double overdrive transmissions are direct (1 to 1 ratio) .85 & .74. The middle (.85) ratio comes from running the .74 top overdrive gear thru an underdrive ratio. So, nearly every gear in the transmission spins in 17th (18 speed) or 12th(13 speed), a good gear to avoid if after fuel mileage. And, direct (respectivly 16th & 11th) has no parasitic HP losses because only the thru shaft spins.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
Bestway to learn is just through experience, once you get to know what rpm the truck will do at what speed in each gear you can preaty much pluck a gear without thinking to much as an example, sometimes I will go into neutral maybe 100 metres before a red light and roll to a stop but if the light turns green I can just pick the right gear for the speed I'm doing and just drive away, as I said it comes with experience.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
in an 18 speed you can use the splitter in every gear including the extra one shown and also reverse, so if you need it you use it otherwise go a full gear.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
Learning in a 15speed is the way to go because there so easy, you don't have a splitter to worry about, just a straight out 5 gear H patern with high and low range and deep reduction if you need it
@koffeeblack
@koffeeblack 14 жыл бұрын
wow! seems so difficult! Id love to drive one of these things!
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 12 жыл бұрын
@EJholden Yes i'm glad you wrote this. I don't know why so many people have a go at this video saying i'm an idiot and would get sacked if I drove for them bla, bla, bla. The fact is I only made the video to show people that this is possible and not to use it as common practice. The truth is I was shown this when I was about 19 years of age by my best mate, who also happened to turn out in the end to be my boss. He taught me in his trucks and encourages me to use this gear whenever possible
@Movingvolations
@Movingvolations 15 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Let the power speak...
@tkx86
@tkx86 11 жыл бұрын
Thankyou mate for supplying us with freight be it food, chemicals, teddy bears for the kids.. What the feck ever.... CHAMPION keep on keepin on mate!
@lasifoai1428
@lasifoai1428 7 жыл бұрын
obviously some guys on here wish they drove but rigs. reality is that what ever is comfortable for you as the driver not some internet wannabe truckie talking rubbish. nice vid mate
@stayingman
@stayingman 14 жыл бұрын
@whiteman81 - I stand corrected... I have been confusing them for a while now -the .74 ratio is the "other". Most Paccar trucks on US highway will have Eaton/Fullers so called low inertia 13/18 speed double overdrive transmissions... or, their "FRO"10 speed with a single .74 overdrive.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 15 жыл бұрын
The engine fan is automatic and cuts in whenever the temp gets above 98c I was pulling 55 ton in 38 degree heat up 12% incline that's why it's working as I am only doing 30 km/h on the hills
@superslick1000
@superslick1000 13 жыл бұрын
I just wish we could still buy Kenworth COEs in North America! That's so cool! I own and drive a 1980 White-Freightliner COE every day and I LOVE it. But, I know she won't last forever.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
yeah the pedals are the same, as is the light, blinker and wiper controls on the steering coloum but everything else is on the left of the driver not the right.
@derekgee1710
@derekgee1710 11 жыл бұрын
using that mistery gear can work for a while but if u do a bad shift or sustain it up steep hills u can split the gearbox casing as roadrangers have 3 shafts in constant mesh but in that mistery gear there are only two shafts in use dangerous practise !!!
@otherdog59
@otherdog59 14 жыл бұрын
that's what used to be referred to as "cheater gear", been around forever.Was always told not to use it but knew some drivers that did.
@arkayau
@arkayau 13 жыл бұрын
@amusichound the extra gear is only low low meant for taking off up steep hills at heavy weights it is triple counter shaft gear box but that gear is way too small to be used in the top box(higher ratio countershaft engaged) IF anything goes wrong will totally shatter gear box and warrany will be void no Professional driver would use that gear position other than take off
@aid2003
@aid2003 16 жыл бұрын
Pretty intersting.. THX for the info.. be safe..
@kxsteve
@kxsteve 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! Good job.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
I work for TOLL Logistics out of Malanda on the Atherton Tablelands in Queensland. If you watch some of my other videos you'll see. As far as the extra gear goes, I only use in 2 spots for about 30secs in total on an 8hr trip, but would be up shit creek without for that 30secs.
@KiloByte69
@KiloByte69 16 жыл бұрын
I want to drive one of these right now.
@trucksntrains
@trucksntrains 16 жыл бұрын
Hi mate, this type of shift is recommended for Mack boxes only, such as the 9 speed maxitorque. Eaton claims it will cause damage & will void the warranty
@mannwhosoldtheworld
@mannwhosoldtheworld 15 жыл бұрын
Peterbilt 362 was available until 02 or 03, I believe. The Argosy was available until 2006.
@bigredi444
@bigredi444 15 жыл бұрын
It also exists in the 8LL Transmission.
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 14 жыл бұрын
2007 K104B haven't got it anymore. Tnhey took it off me when it clocked up 750,000km
@thefarmfred1
@thefarmfred1 13 жыл бұрын
@BERLINGO4255 If you're good then you don't use clutch after 1 gear, but it's only in the old old transmissions that you may have to double clutch because they didn't have synchros
@107brad
@107brad 15 жыл бұрын
that gear comes i n handy when in shoft places when haulin gravel and grain
@jamesiec61
@jamesiec61 11 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@ledfoot73
@ledfoot73 13 жыл бұрын
@Dragon150043 I've heard this before, but 20 years of not using the clutch and using the cheater gear multiple times a day I have yet to do a clutch or a tranny and I have run dedicated trucks.
@catbangin73
@catbangin73 13 жыл бұрын
I,ve been running triples to Darwin for 18yrs and if i ever started of in any gear other than 1st, drove along with my hand resting on the gearshift, or preselected like this bloke does,my old man/boss would deduct a clutch/transmission out of my wages.
@Mac566
@Mac566 15 жыл бұрын
Here in BC, Canada, we pull 63,500 kg, going from 5th direct to 4th over is better, because if you have to down shift from (The Cheater Gear) again, you loose too much road speed, and may have to go into 3rd instead of 4th, we have very steep hills here, and they are long, when it's snowing hard, it can be interesting. You can download the Eaton Fuller manuals off there web site, they will tell you how to shift properly. Its not about whether or not you do any harm to the transmission
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 12 жыл бұрын
@Kenworth608 yeah mate driving from Malanda down the palmeston
@NKVDdevaint1
@NKVDdevaint1 15 жыл бұрын
wow i like that set up, exept fot it bein on the right side, is it diffucult to shift left handed if uve alwayse shifted righthanded
@beltedmagnum7992
@beltedmagnum7992 11 жыл бұрын
good video cobba
@weststigerboi
@weststigerboi 15 жыл бұрын
ive only ever used the crawl once,70t up peats ridge...i only ever use the last 16,just not needed imo...tb
@arkayau
@arkayau 13 жыл бұрын
it is a triple counter shaft gear box that gear does not have all 3 shafts for a reason
@booza650
@booza650 13 жыл бұрын
nice truck btw
@Griffencph
@Griffencph 16 жыл бұрын
What kind of gear lever do you have? 6+6 or 3+3+split or how is it set up? I drove a 3+3+s for a while, and once I got used to it, I loved it. Wasn't a big rig though, only a rear load trash truck.
@dx80cruiser
@dx80cruiser 13 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a man who knows what he is talking about!!!
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
A friend in Townsville showed me that when I was learning to drive when I was about 18. Have been using that gear when I need it ever since
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
Yeah will if you read all the comments you would realise I know this as I am a mechanic myself and I just made the video to demonstrate that it can be done. On the other hand I have a friend with a truck that has a 13 speed in it that has done 3.2 million kilometres and only had one rebuild, and he uses this gear everytime he goes up and down the box. so just goes to show, roadrangers are a bloody tuff box.
@commiesarelame
@commiesarelame 12 жыл бұрын
Kenworth: the worlds best! Gimme a hell yeah!
@BERLINGO4255
@BERLINGO4255 13 жыл бұрын
when changing gear does the clutch have to be pressed twice or sometimes not at all ive heard of someone telling me that but im not sure as i drive a scania and its fully synchromesh. Thanks?
@aqua707
@aqua707 16 жыл бұрын
The correct term for the Eaton auto box is actually automated, or automated manual. This diferentuates it from an automatic transmission like the Allison. Interesting bit of info about that extra gear, would it work on a 9 speed Eaton syncro box? I currently drive for Linfox in either a Volvo with the I-shift or a Freightliner Columbia with the Eaton Smart Shift as shown in your other video clip, but am sometimes thrown in a body truck with a 9 speed. ....Regards, DH
@bigwatto95
@bigwatto95 13 жыл бұрын
I'm just a kid, so I know next to nothing about trucks, but do you need the clutch every time you change with a roadranger? Or can you shift without it?
@ihfan29
@ihfan29 11 жыл бұрын
Kinda like using the low-hole on a Eaton Fuller 8LL in high range?
@lawrencemiller5346
@lawrencemiller5346 10 жыл бұрын
Back in '85, I pulled steel for ECK Miller for 2 years and never used the extra gear (in high range). Ever. 38,000 pound loads and I never needed it. Seems to me it would just be a waste of fuel.
@mickycricket
@mickycricket 9 жыл бұрын
Well ,you shouldn't....to us 38-60 tonnes(is only tare weight)
@unknownfox1994
@unknownfox1994 13 жыл бұрын
@jbell316 Hey It's called Australia. We drive on the other side of the road compared to most other country's. So this is The correct side of the cab :)
@teamwounder
@teamwounder 15 жыл бұрын
why does eaton say never to put it in Low in Hi range? says that in my truck on the shift pattern.
@qtfire
@qtfire 14 жыл бұрын
mate nice video,i like alot of your work actually,are you towing a double or single on this trip?
@vrednie
@vrednie 13 жыл бұрын
You guys get the best whizz ;-)
@dieselroarmt875
@dieselroarmt875 16 жыл бұрын
so in the end its a 20 gera box ,here in europe we call it crawler gear , its highly recommend not to use crawler in high range
@erkinalp
@erkinalp 12 жыл бұрын
the pattern is (for gearshiftlever): R 1 3 C 2 4 and range-splitter division.
@capnskiddies
@capnskiddies 4 жыл бұрын
Are we really arguing about whether it's Low or Crawler? Good lord
@FKSPARTO
@FKSPARTO 11 жыл бұрын
its also in Canada mate, if i remember right.
@jakebrake24277
@jakebrake24277 16 жыл бұрын
Here in the south we always called the extra gear he's referring to as the "Cheater Gear" which is bad on the trans. Have heard about guys busting the case wide open doing that. Not only does a 13 and 18 have a cheater a 9sp does also. A 9sp is a 13 with out the back box to allow you to split each gear on the high side.
@elpiffy
@elpiffy 16 жыл бұрын
Great video, but you're on the wrong side of the roadlol I can imagine it must take some getting used to driving and shifting from the right side. I drive a new kenworth t664 with and 18 speed and c-train (2 48 ft. trailers.) it the max trailers allowed in Mexico. once again great vid and i'll post one of my rig soon
@roadwolf2
@roadwolf2 14 жыл бұрын
if you notice in the first up shift he doesn't split the low gears
@KillFrenzie
@KillFrenzie 15 жыл бұрын
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between a cab and a truck?
@CrackyOo
@CrackyOo 11 жыл бұрын
So your basically matching high range crawler gear with the road speed instead of just going to 5th?
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
You would call this a 5+4 plus splitter on all gears Have a look at my other vid, "Going through the gears" to see the correct method of everygear exept the top 2
@KG84C
@KG84C 11 жыл бұрын
What side would you like it on?
@allenjanoch
@allenjanoch 16 жыл бұрын
can you show me why you put it when you have to back up i never seen it
@Neilvy04
@Neilvy04 12 жыл бұрын
Hi I am using a 2011 kenworth k108 with cummins 18 speed road ranger how can you take off smooth with out kangerooing it seems the more weight I am pulling the harder it is to get going. I have drove plenty of road rangers but nothing that is like this.
@cheeptorque
@cheeptorque 16 жыл бұрын
Gee Im glad I just have(need)9 gears..lol..Thanx 4 showing (all 15,784 of)us.Very popular this vid huh!
@Davobeff
@Davobeff 15 жыл бұрын
on 13 speeds you can go Lo123 in lo range go into high range and back to Lo and split it and you get 14 gears
@Liam50LB
@Liam50LB 14 жыл бұрын
@BizzLeVrai well his accent is Australian or kiwi so i'm guessing he's there, where they drive on the left.
@bigted92
@bigted92 12 жыл бұрын
What stretch of road is that at 5:40? that bridge?
@jbell316
@jbell316 13 жыл бұрын
@unknownfox1994 Lol I Know, just look weird sitting on that side of the cab lol
@roadwolf2
@roadwolf2 14 жыл бұрын
just had a thought , wouldnt that gear be between 5high and 6lo
@halfsoul666
@halfsoul666 14 жыл бұрын
are the bearings in Low the same size as the main gears? The old 13 "cheater" didn't have as big a bearing and would wear the transmission prematurely.
@gm16v149
@gm16v149 16 жыл бұрын
Well, 'cos I own my truck, I wouldn't use that gear. But then, I'm paying the bills!
@Jerald1989
@Jerald1989 13 жыл бұрын
@BERLINGO4255 u can actually shift the gears in a tractor trailor without using the clutch
@adiller666
@adiller666 13 жыл бұрын
@xxxCHIVONGxxx it's quite an experience. I drove b4 i was scared shitless first time I stepped in a truck
@tranurse
@tranurse 13 жыл бұрын
when i was little, my dad would let me and my brother play in the cab of his truck. pretend to drive. somehow, we managed to engage the clutch and take off down the road. we stopped when he hit the tree........ luckily, it was a little tree, and neither us nor the truck was hurt.
@myjizzureye
@myjizzureye 14 жыл бұрын
Thats because your trucks can fit in the glove box of an aussie truck. When your not pulling around 75tonne a gearbox from a mini will be fine for your trucks.
@Xelmon
@Xelmon 13 жыл бұрын
Hmm... The manual that has all of the ratios in is god here. =)
@pmora61
@pmora61 13 жыл бұрын
@alwaysoffroad did u have the b-double on
@theodor33e
@theodor33e 13 жыл бұрын
We shift like mad in jamaica!
@Shamiranz
@Shamiranz 16 жыл бұрын
This is what used to be called the mystery gear in the old 13speed,s...basically its lazy mans way of changing gears and just increasing load on the counter shaft.... if you find during a climb as any driver knows you better to skip a gear and half during a down shift while climbing uphill...if 6th high split ( 11th ) is too high then easier and safer to skip down to 4th high split (8th ) over here in Nz we have hills where you cant take chances you get it right the first time or its game over
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
this truck had a 15 litre Cummins Signiture rated at 520hp
@Athrunwong
@Athrunwong 14 жыл бұрын
Does this have automatic gears?
@alwaysoffroad
@alwaysoffroad 16 жыл бұрын
Yeah we call it crawler in OZ as well and it's not recommended to use it in an 18 speed, but I have talked to Eaton and they say that they encourage it's use in a 9 speed so go figure
@BlowdownBob
@BlowdownBob 13 жыл бұрын
no double shuffle?
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