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@@Alan_Page No too black . Ummmmmmmmmmmm HL@Tn Too black :P

@@hansamundsen quality reply lolll

Salieri you're okay? You're sweating...

Yes!

Really, I feel that this is one of the best movies of the last half century. I'm sure a lot of this has to do with the music itself, not just that it's Mozart, but who plays it and the production values throughout the whole film, location, costumes etc. And of course, the acting. Even if the story stretches things a bit, the whole effort was a labor of live and craftsmanship of the highest caliber. I hope no one ever tries to remake it.

got that right. incredible performance

One could argue his performance was as sublime if not more so than Mozart’s music.

@@Jude74 Hogwash.

you're a hero!

Thank you!

@@cafemaco85 you're welcome!

@@leonardogabriel1081 thank you!

Mass in c manor

It would probably spoil you for music that's actually played, though. A bit like imagining the characters in a novel and then watching the actors in a movie based on that novel. Usually that's very disappointing.

me too

@@Divergent_Integral not at all, because the music was so perfectly written, you wouldn't get stupid interpretations, hence the actual played version should be exactly as you hear it in your head when you read it.

You can do it if you learn to read music, it's not a magic power. Every symbol has a sound that you can play in your head. There are measurements and stops. If you are skilled in music you should know how it sounds when you look at the page.

This is reality for those with perfect pitch though. To just read sheet music and hear the music perfectly in your head is a gift

See the movie. You'll understand.

Those are worth millions today and is ripping thru them lol

Salieri is super pissed and super impressed at the same time lol. Perfect portrayal of his mixed feeling.

He doesn't smash the pages, he drops them out of sheer astonishment.

He's checking desperately for any errors

I know how Salieri feels. I feel the same anguish when I look through Rachmaninoff's scores.

@@JJTownley_Classical-Composer hahaha. Imagine Salieri Reading something Like Rachmaninoffs Prelude In B-flat

@@mvhax2ftw352 Try his 3rd Concerto. He'd sh*t a brick. "What planet did THIS fall off???"

@@JJTownley_Classical-Composer Yeah exactly Lol!

That is the mind of a true composer. He was actually able to read through the music sheets and understand and hear every note in treble and bass cleft inside of his brain

Wow that's cool. He deserved on that's for sure

I saw a documentary on PBS where he was discussing classical theatrical plays. I could listen to this man for hours.

Who is the actor?

@@theworldsmostgiantDr F. Murray Abraham

No kidding. You'd think he was having sex with the music :) Incredible movie~

I think the film also illustrates the value of collaboration with people who are more skilled than yourself, though it's not something fictional Salieri himself realized during the course of the film. When Sailieri is actually working with Mozart, he seems to really enjoy himself and Mozart seems to benefit from the company of a man who truly understands him and his gift. If only fictional Salieri could have allowed himself to accept his lot as the inferior composer and embrace fictional Mozart as a friend, both men could have been so much better off. I feel like this every time I watch the movie, longing for the characters to stray from their predetermined paths to find a better tomorrow or some mushy crap. It's part of the magic of cinema for me, that no matter how many times I watch certain films, I still feel the same emotions as the first time during certain scenes. I still yell at the screen, hoping against hope things will be different for the characters THIS time, yet knowing simultaneously the film is set in stone.

Yeah one of those things where the scale from say 95% perfection to 98% seems imperceptible to the layperson but to the people on those levels the gulf is not only huge but only they can properly comprehend the magnitude of its perfection

I think it was on a JRE podcast but the guest was a PhD in math and said he was brilliant in high school, college, graduate school and then went to a high level conference and realized he was the dumbest person in the room. Always be humble and remind yourself that you're never quite as clever as you think you are.

Excellent observation that strikes to the heart of the matter. The extra 1% is only discernible to those that truly know, but it's a vast chasm, nonetheless.

@@centurion8446 Ah, I see that you've already captured the sentiment of what I just posted.

That's not what really happened in real life though.

Mozart e sua sublime e divina música. Mozart não é para gostar e sim para amar

@@Michael-bt6ht Yes we know it didn't. The movie's not a straight forward biopic. It's done from the perspective of Salieri. He very likely did not kill Mozart. But he did claim to have done so late in his life.

@@alexhollon7526 no one alive for a few hundred years knows what he said. That's the problem with history and what they teach. No one knows the actual truth. No one knows what anyone in the past actually said different countries hide a lot of things and change history also.

@@Michael-bt6ht Ok, fair assessment, so how do we know for a fact that none of it happened then?

I mean, not in reality. This is a dramatization with plenty of artistic liberties taken.

@@withershadow3904 Sure, but I wasn't speaking exactly about the film. It's no secret that as great as Salieri was, his work paled when compared to that of Mozart. I mean, this guy doesn't even crack the top 10! So, it's hard to say whether Salieri was truly jealous, or if he appreciated the talent of Mozart.... No one can say one way or another today. I like to think that as an artists, who lived in the shadow of not only Mozart, but many other composers, this had to take its toll on him. Either way, I guess we will never really know.

Its not covered beyond the concert he remembers conducting in the beginning of the movie, but Salieri was a extremely succesful and acclaimed composer in his own time, well before Mozart showed up. He wasn´t court composer for no reason, and by the time Mozart shows up he is very entrenched in court politics. His dilemma in the movie is that he sees Mozarts genius as something beyond his own ability, and he can´t comprehend that it comes out of such a vulgar, unholy little man. Thats the real tragedy of the movie. Artistic qualities and excellence transcend the human experience, but being able to convey them and the ambition behind it can drive a person to his/her pettiest self.

@@RumbleFish69 Again, not really accurate or relevant. You are judging things through a modern lens. In his time, Salieri was easily one of the most successful composers in all of Europe. He died wealthy and renowned, not in some insane asylum as depicted in the movie. Meanwhile, once Mozart outgrew his "performing monkey" phase, people stopped giving a shit about any of his work. It was only discovered and popularized later on. Just because a handful of composers are most famous due to being used in movies and commercials, doesn't mean they were the best composers ever or enjoyed success during their lives.

@@CurseCreep Actually even in the movie once Mozart debuted his first opera that caused the King to yawn, there is a segment right after where Salieri reveals his own opera, and the King gives him a medal and declares it "best opera ever written".

If you have not seen the directors cut, please do. He was even worse in it than the theatrical release.

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I have a son-in-law who has never seen this movie and refuses to watch it because “it’s boring classical music”. He‘s a fan of heavy metal. His loss. Sad.

@@DonaldDump2024 I’m a fan of heavy metal, too. And I love this movie. Maybe there is hope for him, yet!

@@DonaldDump2024 thats too bad. I find many similarities between the two.

Yes it does!

it throw to her the entire lonliness of his life. what a masterpiece.

Yeah. Notice that too. It was a sad and lonely sight . I think he realized in that very moment how far was Mozart from him

There was a subtle acknowledgement of embarrassment as well, realizing that he had dropped the sheets and was standing there like a weirdo.

She asks "Is it not good?" and he has a look of puzzlement, can she really not know? Then pity, realizing she doesn't. Then he scrambles to try to find words that she will understand to explain this thing that he's just seen.

If we are being honest everyone is horrid Monster in the movie. It is not just Salieri.

@@FanboyFilms I don't agree. He's not thinking about her at all. He's been away on another planet and her question drags him back to earth. His expression of shock and disbelief, and the way he says 'it is miraculous', is one of the best moments in a towering performance.

You just described me looking at my crypto account !

You are miraculous

I know God looks so at each of His magnificent creations! God bless.

I want someone to look at me the way Constanze looks at those candies.

​@@jackcoleman5955 wow I had no idea! I'm going to not double check anything and just roll with that :)

Lmao

throw in a healthy dose of incredulity without saying so much as a word

Two words? More like 25

1bol1 lol

two sentences.

too many notes

In engineering world that is bad design.

hahahahahaha

don’t need to feel bad… my only ‘claim to fame’ in school was essay writing as well. i merely have an interest in writing, i’m not gifted in it. there were the rare few essays where the teacher couldn’t find any mistakes. the essays were returned to me looking the same as they did after the teacher marked them, maybe a tick or two was added as well as a short commentary from him / her. however, outside of school, writing has gotten me nowhere in life. my country especially, emphasises excelling in math and science. who cares if your talents lie in the arts? i’m from an asian country.

Now he fertilizer

I never lyked him. He set me up and my brother angel got killed.

@@haveatyou1 but that's history, I here; he's not.

"Montana I got you into this business so shut de fuck up"

@@BeyondPostal Lot easier than loogin at your front lemme tell you

It actually boggles my mind that composers/conductors can direct or compose professionals playing their instruments on the highest level when they don't actually play those instruments themselves. I'm a cellist/pianist and find myself constantly modifying music to better suit the shifts in positions and fingerings.

And then somebody came along a little later after Mozart and then went went deaf.

@@Theophrastus99 Beethoven wasnt deaf he was just faking a medical condition for attention /s

@@asloii_1749 bruh the quality of this epic hot take is astounding I must say tho your view is quite Polaris-ing Ha.

All the more amazing when you realize there exists no such thing as god!

You nailed it the foolish things to confound the wise!

Repeat an experiment, see for yourself. Trust in another man's word and you will fall because man is no God. You will only find the truth through science when man obtains wisdom...which can only be obtained through goodness, thus godliness.

"RIGHT-chus-ness"

​@Tony Mario ''Hence, why the majority of physicists, astronomers, mathematicians, and biochemical engineers acknowledge God...'' Is that so? Any proof of that? What precise naturalistic interpretation of the universe do you mean? Can you please explain how the laws of causality and thermodynamics contradict that particular interpretation? I mean, if you're right, you sure are worthy of a Nobel prize, right? I don't have a problem with people believing in God. I don't even know what my own beliefs are, so how could I even pretend to judge anyone's beliefs! I do however have a problem with people bringing up the names or numbers of believing scientists as an argument. Let me explain: I don't conceive a way of explaning and proving the existence of a god within the realm of our Universe (if we assume this god to possess the mainstream characteristics one may think of). You bring up the laws of thermodynamics and causality against a '''naturalistic interpretation'' of the Universe, but you could also bring them up against the idea of a deity existing within our Universe and hence subject to the same physical rules. As far as I'm concerned, if a god exists (with at least the mainstream characteristics one assumes for deities in Abrahamic religions), that god is beyond science. This deity is either 1) within our Universe but has chosen not to be affected by physics, or 2) is not even IN our Universe, so the rules of physics we know and can test don't affect this entity. I see no other way to fulfill the basic characteristic one assumes, that is, a god that has existed forever and will keep on doing so. Thermodynamics who? No matter which of the two applies, the names or numbers of believing scientists is irrelevant. Scientists deal with science. In other words, if a god exists beyond the realm of what science allows us to test (because physical laws don't apply to this god), the beliefs of scientist are not any more ''right'' than those of the pseudo-intellectuals you despise - or anyone's beliefs for that matter. From here you can go wherever you please: you may believe in a god, you may believe there is no god, you may remain neutral. I personally don't care about the specifics of your beliefs, and I believe most people don't really care about the specifics of anyone else's beliefs (as long as they don't interfere with their rights too much that is). I also won't look down on your for believing in one thing or the other - neither should you nor anyone else. What I have a problem with is a bad argument. That one of yours in particular was. No offense. Peace out! TLDR: Don't use arguments from authority.

Salieri was one of Beethoven 's music teacher's. If Amadeus was true, and Salieri was insanely jealous of Mozart's musical talent, then he probably would have hung himself when Beethoven arrived on the musical scene.

So true. Did you move pass that point?

I've been mediocre at everything I've ever done. Gave up on caring a long time ago.

The best visual example of this was a quick backstage shot of fellow singers when one of the contestants on the voice launched into his first run. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nLpnaLqq28XOqI0.html It's a favorite clip of mine because you can see on their faces, wow, this is so good, I have to go up against that ?!?!??!?!?

I wouldn't know. Never had that experience:)

It is so for writers as well.

Diana North which one is that?

Josemaria Berrios the one at 0:44

Could you tell the names of other pieces , please?

Dark Knight Light On my top 5 all time for me. Shine is another one.

@@eiyhka8779 absolutely agree, how can you argue with logic.

trudel those seven seconds between 'is it not good?' and 'it is miraculous' ....they ARE miraculous....

Omgggg so true!!!!

Let's see Paul Allen's originals

He understood counterpointing beyond his teachers

the realisation of the depths you can not see :))))

Unless you played chess your entire life and made it your bread and butter, I doubt you do ;)

@@martinvanstein.youtube I did until I didn't. One of the reasons I decided to move on was that experience. No matter how long I played or how hard I tried, there is something about genius that is outside of all that. It would have been fruitless. Good thing I made that decision, as I found out I am gifted in other areas, and I found my true calling there. Be safe MvS

@@pspicer777 Well said, sir.

I played off and on as a teen with my father, I was better than most people I met. Fast forward, my 1st tech job out of college I work with a large group of older russians. One guy, we called him Mario, because he looked and dressed like Super Mario, this guy would destroy me within a few moves and laugh the entire time. Sometimes he would drag the game out so he could laugh at me more. He spoke very little english. Then I hear he's not even the best russian player at work.....I stopped letting people know I play after that.

I wish I'd seen that! Thanks for your description.

I got goosebumps reading that!

Wow!!!

Goosebumps indeed!

Using the term "af" to describe the scene is, in itself, an insult to this cinematic masterpiece.

Thank you so much 😊

Thanks captain obvious.

ur amazing

"Is it not good?!" 😗

A lot of artists would do that to win their patrons. Add an intentional obvious flaw and when they show it to their patron, the patron points it out. The artist then praises them for their keen insight and makes them feel like they are also an artistic genius. Also happens to work like a charm when making a presentation to a superior in business.

Is it really true /fact that this is how he actually wrote his music ?? That he hears it in his head "note" for "note" from the beginning till the end ? If so i can't wrap my pea sized brain around that conception !! Mind-boggling !!

atomic punk My husband and I thought Mozart and those geniuses like him, before we met-through the years we discussed the possibility that some people are touched by some Cosmic Entitiy, Entities. God to some, Collective Consciousness to others, maybe both.

@@ruffianoo Amen sister i believe there is a higher power at work for those soo gifted.

No. Mozart made mistakes. He just was really good at editing, and then throwing out the drafts. An even more superior musician to Mozart--J.S. Bach--made drafts. You don't become that good at something without making mistakes. Otherwise, how do you learn?

A well composed analysis.

19th century? 😉

Cardi b is popular today. So clearly that means nothing

Yet again CGA is proven right.

I will add for you to see it and state it sets you aside. I am intrigued by your comment thank you. There are few of you who exist in this beautiful world over populated by confusion and misinformation.

Don't forget the parents' role in all this....it normally doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere, eg Mozart's father, Tiger Wood's father, Andrew Wyeth's father, Maya Lin's father and the numerous 2nd generation NBA stars.

That’s… not the point of the movie bro? Salieri is aware of his talent, he’s very aware that he has a gift that very few have. He’s salty because up to that point he believes himself a recipient of god’s grace, hard earned due to a life of devotion, chastity and sobriety. If this Mozart kid had the same gift. Is the lord’s blessing granted to those who live a life of indulgence and lust? Was his life of privations just a mere accident? Is there a thing such as a divine predilection? I’m just also gonna add that irl salieri was a living legend at the time and a beloved composer while the critics and audiences of the time did not appreciate Mozart at the level we do now hence he died penniless.

@@alfredthegreatkingofwessex6838 that's such a well written response and thought provoking. thank you.

I just as happy to live in the time of Neil Armstrong

Romanticise all you will but if you lived back then there's about a 95% chance you would never get to hear any of the music with your own ears. I'm perfectly happy living in the time of the internet when i get to listen to whatever i want whenever i want to. Modern medicine and central heating are also a plus i guess.

Are you seriously calling the man who educated Beethoven unskilled? He was incredibly successful in his work (especially in Paris)