I alway think this is how a KEF should sound but never seem to get there?

​@@sparkplug964 bigger cabinet and woofer. (I think Kef designers can do something like this, but design/aesthetics... aka marketing/finance department won't let them.) These could be magnificent, but they are a hard sell for most living rooms unfortunately.

I've heard folks say the SP8 is better controlled because of the smaller woofer. I assume for a smaller room, that's probably a more noticeable difference?

A typical low sensitivity driver (a bit higher than usual). A lot of bass, lack of dynamics. Is R3 better or worse? Who knows. About a same.

​@@sc0or When you say lack of dynamics, can you explain what you mean? Would that be lack of separation of the music.

@@sparkplug964 For me the "dynamics" sound like how good a driver can play a loud note just after some echo or a singer breath. If one of them is scarified, that's not a good driver for me. A sound sounds compressed. To be a good driver it needs to have a sensitivity about 100dB/1W plus. First, you'll clear hear a breath after a bang, and secondly you'll be able to use even your A/B amplifier in A-class mode all the time. Win-win

@@sc0orThis is 91 dB, I thought, so less sensitive than that. If my understanding of that metric is correct.

Dear David, This one was with IPhone 14. All the best Miguel

Hello! 42 Sqm Thank you Miguel

Haha,,totally agree..lol

Its a phenomenon i've often found with coaxial speakers like this, every pair i ever heard had an issue in the presence region. I've tried three pairs of tannoys and a couple of pairs of KEF's and I can never get quite past the upper mids being somehow pulled back. I switched to Harbeths and I've been much happier. Though, in this case, it could just be the recording, he's only using an iphone mic to record it, so that won't be helping.

Yes, but it also could be my Iphone 😂

@@Freedom89984 No. it's the coaxial design which has notable compromises in preventing the woofer from performing to its best and also limits tweeter dispersion. The smarter design choice is made by brands like Dynaudio which place the tweeter and woofer close enough to provided sharp imaging, while also giving the woofer free reign to produce a rich midrange.

the electronics play an important role Using tubes the mids will pop out almost surely some solid state amps tend to sound flat and hard expecially in the midrange

​@@gino3286hello,we at Ultimate audio have thse speakers runing with Luxman 507 andthe 509z and Luxman are very open and clear on the midrange and top end,nevertheless they are more "neutral" and laid back in the mids than for example the Accuphase 4000,wich is more full in the mids and midbass.

@@larshinkel7542 the 10. Thank you