ambient talkie: ep 33 - NORNS standard vs shield

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due to popular demand, here are my personal thoughts on norns shield and norns standard. where do they differ? what are their similarities? etc...
i try to present my experience with both devices and hopefully this will give you a bit of a clue when deciding which one might be the right for you.
#norns #monome #ambient #tutorial
monome
if you want a standard norns you can get it direclty from directly from their site and this way support monome
monome.org
build a norns shield
sadly, as of publishing this video, I believe that due to worldwide chip shortages monome is not offering any more norns shields. however, you can build one yourself.
github.com/monome/norns-shield
denki oto's shield XL
denki-oto.weebly.com/store/p9...
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Contents
00:00 - intro
01:05 - similarities
02:08 - shield vs standard
03:21 - build quality / casing / look & feel
06:25 - connectivity
10:58 - sound
14:16 - why I got myself a standard norns
16:14 - conclusion
16:35 - conclusion & announcement

Пікірлер: 55

@talimn 4 ай бұрын

Personally, I think the patina on the standard case is absolutely gorgeous. It’s no different than tools - a well used and well loved tool has marks from its user which give it character and life.

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

indeed! i guess i just need to get used to it :D my plumbutter has a sharp crack on the av dog and it looks like a relic - i slowly learned to love it

@PetersPlaceToBe 4 ай бұрын

You made me speechless… this made my day!! 🤍

@-umbrarium 4 ай бұрын

Great to see you have three Norns now.

@432vibes 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. i have a shield XL kit on the way to expand the shield family. i'll let you now how it is to build and use. Have a nice week!

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

Please do :)

@tymaraist9729 4 ай бұрын

feeling lucky that my shield doesn’t doesn’t have noise issues, just jumpy encoders. i have standard norns on the way this week that i bought second hand, and i’m very excited for it. it’s black and wondering if it’ll patina in the same way as your grey one. i think that’s just gorgeous, but maybe polarizing like brutalist architecture itself 🤷🏻‍♂️. great video! my favorite way to unwind on sunday afternoons

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

I especially went for grey but am curious of its black gets the patina treatment :)

@NicolasMelis 4 ай бұрын

Great video! Thank you

@lesjamusic 4 ай бұрын

Looking forward to this one!

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

see you on the premiere :)

@lesjamusic 4 ай бұрын

@@tworoundrobins Excellent video thank you. I have a standard on the way soon but might keep the Shield as a backup, or simply as a 2nd instrument

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

@@lesjamusic oh second norns is a must tbh, it opens everything up

@claudemurder8413 4 ай бұрын

thanks for the video : )

@ScottRobinson23 4 ай бұрын

What IS the difference? I guess we will find out

@margaritaulokina7985 4 ай бұрын

Wonderful! ❤️

@deaftone 4 ай бұрын

Very nice comparison, thank you. Just wanted to add that Shield XL is a serious step up for Norns Shield! Proper stereo I/O, low and slick profile, much lower noise when powering form a computer or usb outlet and! something OG doesn't have is a proper MIDI TRS I/O :)

@casbahrockin 4 ай бұрын

I've got an XL as well and it's ace.

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

Yes, I had a pleasure of seeing it in Berlin and it does seen to offer quite a lot!

@HousePlant_Ambient 4 ай бұрын

I’m considering the Norns as it is going to be on sale again

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

new norns unit will have even better encoders and clearer screen - so good timing!

@casbahrockin 4 ай бұрын

For the jumpy encoders, you can fix that with a couple of capacitors across the encoder pins.

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

You mean reflow them? I’ve heard this can be due to overheating when soldering

@casbahrockin 4 ай бұрын

@@tworoundrobins literally just soldering a 100nF cap (0805 smd ones work great) between each of the middle and outer pins. They act as bypass caps and filter out noise that causes extra jumps of the encoder.

@LarryTru 4 ай бұрын

My experience has been that care must be taken in assembling the Shield to make sure there are no shorts between the shield and the raspberry Pi. I separated the two with an extra washer (and modified my case to accommodate that) and have never had any noise problems since.

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

yes, even when taking them apart, it can be quite fragile

@coolo73 4 ай бұрын

I use a 2021 Shield bought directly from Monome with a Pi3b. No noise to speak of whatsoever. From what I understand the earlier 2019 factory Shield was the noisy one. The only difference between 2021 and 2022 codex was because of global parts shortage.

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

the big problem from my side was just that I used Pi 4b - which because of the usb hub switch (different from 3b) it sits right under the wifi antenna, thus interference noise was far more present. The other problem was a little screw on the bottom of the case - this was probably more to do with PI and not shield :)

@jordanguzak7532 4 ай бұрын

Would have liked to see shieldxl in this comparison, it's got the best of both worlds imo

@oldmancolin 4 ай бұрын

There is a link to Denki-oto in the description, at least

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

Yes, maybe in the future! It does seem really great especially with the trs midi inputs…although my workaround is 2host again made by Steven from denki-oto

@BobCharlotte Ай бұрын

Really nice comparison, thanks for the video! I have the Shield version but the noise is quite remarkable (even with wifi disconnected, compressor and reverb off), it's always noticeable when recording some quiet music... From what you mentioned, I guess the Standard is better in terms of noise, specially when not using the wifi.

@tworoundrobins Ай бұрын

Definitely, because the wifi antenna on the shield is too close to the usb ports…although this is more of an issue for 4b as opposed to 3b

@BobCharlotte Ай бұрын

@@tworoundrobins thank you for the insight. I'll try to go for the standard in the next batch!

@The_Sound_Technician 4 ай бұрын

Andy thanks matey, as per usual excellent video…. So all in all not much difference….. do you know of a video that explains how to get good audio levels in and out of the norns…. I don’t really get all the different level screens… which is master in and master out? Hope you are well mr? Matt 👍🏻

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

I suggest diving into the monome norns documentation that is easily available on their site - this will tell you what the different level screen mean. As for getting good audio levels, I suggest running anything through a preamp first but any normal line level should be fine without an additional preamp.

@mechtai.7511 4 ай бұрын

❤️

@The_Sound_Technician 4 ай бұрын

Also another question….. why 3 machines???

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

more possibilities of running different scripts at the same time :)

@Paolo_Pino 4 ай бұрын

great comparison! I have a Fates (another Denky Oto Project) and its knobs are not only very loose but after 2 years of intense usage, they become laggy and jumpy... Does the knobs on the regular Norns have stepped/clicked behavior? One day maybe I could find a good deal on a used one, or like you with a b-stock. Btw can't wait to try your new script!💛💫🐦

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

it has infinity type encoders that are quite smooth. with a new batch this is supposedly going to be even improved, so could be worth a grab!

@t0mcat23 3 ай бұрын

@@tworoundrobins I have a sheildxl as my first (oh how I waited!) and I quite like the encoders, very smooth, they feel great. Just wish the sheildxl came with nuts for the 1/4" jacks. I like the big square buttons on it too. they feel nice.

@famtange 4 ай бұрын

I wonder what the price is like building your own shield compared to buying it from the Norns people ??

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

huge difference... however you cannot buy a DIY shield from Monome any more and standard takes the cake when it comes to built quality

@famtange 4 ай бұрын

@@tworoundrobins thanks mate. I have a shield and it’s one of those bits of equipment I want a back up one just in case.

@ozymandias404 4 ай бұрын

So what was the problem with Your unit? I’m also facing some issues with noise in my shield, especially while using Pools script.

@tworoundrobins 4 ай бұрын

I figured out that it was the top left screw on the bottom of the case. I have no idea why but I assume that it might had something to do with connection/grounding of the Pi but I could ne wrong

@ozymandias404 4 ай бұрын

@@tworoundrobins Sure, I’ll check it out, thanks!