AMD Chipset Differences: B550 Specs Explained vs. X570, B450, & Zen 3 Support (2020)
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Күн бұрынAMD's B550 chipset has a release date set for June 16. We're comparing AMD's chipsets and talking about differences between X570, B550, B450, X370, and A320, plus Zen 3 support.
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AMD's chipset naming convention hasn't changed much over the years, but the company hasn't really produced a single public source of validated, detailed information on the AMD B550 chipset specs, particularly as it compares vs. X570. We'll be covering I/O differences with hard numbers for X570 vs. B550, X470, B450, and A320M. Using AMD's latest information release to press, we can also talk about planned support for future AMD Zen 3 CPUs on the 500-series, as currently X470 and B450 aren't advertised as supporting Zen 3, and we can also look at backwards compatibility for the new AMD chipsets. The differences in the chipsets primarily boil-down to PCIe generational differences, so that'd be Gen4 support for both the CPU and chipset lanes, Gen3 general purpose lanes, and Gen2 general purpose lanes on the older platforms.
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00:00 - Reminder of B550A vs. B550 Chipset
02:15 - AMD B550 Release Date
03:05 - Future CPU Support of B550 for Zen 3
04:32 - Zen+ APU Compatibility
05:17 - AMD B550 Block Diagram (Limited Usefulness)
06:15 - Specs Table for B550 vs. X570 Chipset
07:36 - AMD X570 Lane Configuration Refresher
08:16 - Defining "Configurable" Lanes
09:12 - USB-IF Naming is Terrible, IO Die vs. Chipset
11:20 - Specs Table for X470 & B450, 500-Series
12:55 - Specs Table for All AMD AM4 Chipsets
13:46 - Conclusion & Iron Maiden USB Devices
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@rickysargulesh1053 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't that board (and probably others) supporting the 3000 APU or am I missing something? www.asus.com/de/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-X570-I-Gaming/HelpDesk_CPU/
@joseup_z 4 жыл бұрын
Wait X670 going to happen?
@hjy2187418 4 жыл бұрын
there are b55p diagram that shows only 4x pcie lanes, also amd official website state 8x pcie 2, have amd clarify the info?
@jamesthomson8659 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, X570 supports 3200G, 3400G and their variants . Its only the B550's that won't support the G series. Chart at 6:36 says it doesn't. Talk about making for confusion in the market place.
@TheD4VR0S 4 жыл бұрын
b550a only exists so si's can con people why are amd involved in that ?
@WayStedYou 4 жыл бұрын
This video just reminded me once again how messed up the USB naming scheme now is.
@ValkyrieStarTV 4 жыл бұрын
IMO, 3.0 should be 5gbit, 3.1 for 10gbit, and 3.2 for the 20gbit
@keylock32 4 жыл бұрын
@@ValkyrieStarTV That was long time ago, now the naming scheme is totally unnecessary USB 3.2 Gen 1 USB 3.1 Gen 1 SuperSpeed USB 5Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2 x 2 SuperSpeed USB 20Gbps
@aquapendulum 4 жыл бұрын
USB 3.3 Gen 3x3x3x3x3
@Nicholas_Steel 4 жыл бұрын
Get out of here with your sensible notions @ValkyrieStar, people like you are what drive innovation and we can't have that!
@rand0mtv660 4 жыл бұрын
@@ValkyrieStarTV I agree, don't know how they all agreed upon that ridiculous new naming scheme. Or if they wanted to separate 20Gbps a bit and make it seem like it's more of a "jump", they could have named it USB 3.5...But who knows what they were thinking. Let's hope it all "resets" a bit going forward from USB 4.
@BillyONeal 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for calling it USB rather than USB
@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын
We can't keep track of the names!
@IncertusetNescio 4 жыл бұрын
100x more intelligible than whatever the hell they've been on and thinking of.
@dnmr 4 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus it's USB X Æ A-12 now
@funky7monkey0 4 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus I honestly stick with 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2, to the utter dismay of a friend I have at Microcenter
@AlexSchendel 4 жыл бұрын
You mean, you don't like USB 3.2 Gen 2 which is also USB 3.1 Gen 2 which is also USB 3.1???
@ebsmith1102 4 жыл бұрын
We want the number of the beast chipset song.
@Dennzer1 4 жыл бұрын
Steve's new band's name is Ancillary Bifurcation.
@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dennzer1 Sounds like a death core band.
@Groovewonder2 4 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Technically it's probably not trademark infringement to call your band 'Threadripper' because it's in a different industry.
@iamnotagoat66 4 жыл бұрын
AMD making Intel Run to the Hills
@larssgnen3148 4 жыл бұрын
@@iamnotagoat66 I snorted.
@remixreviews9642 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for publishing this, I've been waiting for a in depth explanation
@ghostcell030 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you taking to time to do an informative video on the chipsets. I'm sure everyone has been waiting for something like this.
@madmax2069 4 жыл бұрын
yup, my X570 board does have expanded support for the Ryzen APUs. i guess its good for someone that plans on upgrading to a higher end CPU in the future and just wants to get the system up and running in the meantime.
@Crustee0 4 жыл бұрын
WhatDa FarkenHell your comment is a bit confusing to read, but i get the point. But pc dont use full power at all times, so your "burn out" argument is kinda invalid. Also its storage, not memory :)
@JesusisKing70 4 жыл бұрын
Love the dial-up modem sound in the outro, reminds me of my first internet connection.
@rufioh 4 жыл бұрын
I like the website. It makes reading graphs easier aftewr you've watched the video, but you don't have to back and scrub through the video again to find it
@WayStedYou 4 жыл бұрын
Number of the beast chipset song or we riot!
@soad11dude 4 жыл бұрын
What he said ^ 6... 6... 6... the number of PCIE!!!
@ShroudedWolf51 4 жыл бұрын
Aren't you just describing a mosh pit? Shouldn't the statement be "Number of the Beast chipset song and we riot!"?
@prpwnage9296 4 жыл бұрын
Rioting is for no brain idiots
@Operational117 4 жыл бұрын
PrPwnage With the ongoing riots in the US, I’m compelled to agree.
@mygaffer 4 жыл бұрын
I love your content and really appreciate you maintain a website where we can read about these products and your results.
@valmontdraconus 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid. Thanks for the details and the fully expanded table detailing the Ryzen chipsets. Really helped me figure out a few things.
@Fix_It_Again_Tony 4 жыл бұрын
You've got the hair to be an Iron Maiden fan, Steve. Maybe we can get a little Eddie up on one of the shelves.
@robd3747 4 жыл бұрын
UP THE IRONS!!! \m/ \m/
@FranzKarma 4 жыл бұрын
Up the irons \m/
@ArdenRice1 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@user-yv2cz8oj1k 4 жыл бұрын
A yes, metal for white middle-class people who want safe music. Go listen to some real metal.
@sdm347 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k go away with your embarassing 12 yo style gatekeeping and your sad urge to throw race in the mix for no reason
@bryaneisenhart 4 жыл бұрын
5... 5 0 The chipset of the Beast. PCI gen4 is born to be released! 🤘🏻
@ChrisWalshZX 4 жыл бұрын
Love the drawn-down blue bars on side off screen when displaying charts. Great plus. Thanks.
@depth386 4 жыл бұрын
8:49 The USB speeds... you guys are geniuses. I don't know if it was your idea of your video editor's idea or what but that was utterly brilliant. And I love the stab at the official naming.
@mjc0961 4 жыл бұрын
9:33 - LOL! Might as well be called that. I can't even remember what the newest names are. 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 make the most sense to me.
@safetytfh 4 жыл бұрын
It'd be cool to see a clock normalized test of the R5 1400X, 2200G/2400G, 2300X, 3200/3400G and 3100/3300X, a gathering of 4c8t chips from zen1 through zen 2
@thorshardware4048 4 жыл бұрын
Man I need to start learning more I stopped watching for a few months and I come back and you are going crazy with the complex explanation. It’s good once I learn some more love your videos.
@machenka 4 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome to see the website updated more often. I always read it whenever new stuff is uploaded.
@antonistsiangkas1867 4 жыл бұрын
i hope they'll extend their support to atleast "MAX" B450 and X470 mobo's ...
@brainpaulino 4 жыл бұрын
mine is msi b450 gaming plux max
@chexmixkitty 4 жыл бұрын
If they have the bios capacity for the new cpus I dont see why they wouldn't except for either their being lazy or want more $$$
@seylaw 4 жыл бұрын
@@chexmixkitty Some B450/X470 boards could already support PCIe 4.0 and AMD backtracked here not to confuse customers as some boards of that series could not support it. The same argument also applies here: You would get the same confusion if some B450/X470 boards would support Zen 3 and others wouldn't. Hence I think the chances are slim for MSI's MAX series. (There is a chance that they are not consistent with their own argument though, after all the technical limitations don't apply to that particular series).
@0Wayland 4 жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for people who bought those MAX boards and I would've bought X570 myself if I knew they're gonna screw us 400-series owners like this.
@DuyLeNguyen 4 жыл бұрын
That will not happen
@EbonySaints 4 жыл бұрын
_B550 thru A320 having support for 6 480MB USB connections._ Guess it's time to draw my pentagram and place a virgin i3 processor upon the altar as a sacrifice to Lisa Su, our dark lord, for whom we are grateful for our multi-core performance and +10% IPC gains YoY.
@maxfmfdm 4 жыл бұрын
It is so.
@Llirik13 4 жыл бұрын
Yezzzz!
@Grayson_Phoenix 2 жыл бұрын
So let it be Written; So let it be Done.
@Gowardo 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this video. Thank you for shedding ALL the light! :)
@sovy__ 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this video Steve. My brother is fairly new to PC building and he's looking to upgrade his A320 motherboard. Couldn't share with him a better resource than this.
@dorinxtg 4 жыл бұрын
You need to fix the table. X570 and B550 both supports Zen 2 and will support Zen 3 (the table only mentions Zen 3). Also, people need to remember that after Zen 3, the socket will be replaced to AM5 which I don't think will be backward compatible with AM4, and that will happen probably in 2021.
@r.k862 3 жыл бұрын
are you sure the B550 supports 3600 CPU? in the video it says different, just want to know before buying thanks
@kristianpettersen9449 4 жыл бұрын
Waiting for that X570 Tomahawk review!
@HollowRick 4 жыл бұрын
Same when is the bloody thing going be released I'm glad I didnt buy a b450 now
@valenrn8657 4 жыл бұрын
HardwareUnbox has X570 Tomahawk review.
@MatrixStarPlayz 4 жыл бұрын
Always informative always cools to get these updates thanks guys!
@samusaran3393 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for breaking down the information so clearly. Really enjoy this channel, no bs, just tech Jesus and his data.
@StiggyAzalea 4 жыл бұрын
We knock AMD’s naming, but imagine if Zen plus was called Ryzen +000
@malphadour 4 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for...."The dawn of a new computing experience with Ryzen Shine processors...."
@scunthorpe5513 4 жыл бұрын
@@malphadour "Ryzen shine, Intel"
@oisnowy5368 4 жыл бұрын
Then it would sound like it was Elon Musks' offspring...
@ayudepano9122 4 жыл бұрын
People would have understood better if they released a Zen2+ (from regular 7nm to 7nm EUV and some small arch improvements)
@kramnull8962 4 жыл бұрын
Only dummies have any problems anyways...
@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын
Very sad to see B450/X470 won't be supporting on going future ryzen chips. I really hope there is a real reason for this and it's not simply an arbitrary thing designed to pressure consumers into having to upgrade their board. I bought a b450 board to go with my 3600 because I wanted an ITX board and X570 ITX didn't exist at the time (nor would it have offered any meaningful additional features b450 didn't offer in that form factor outside of pcie4.0) and it's kind of annoying to see that I'm apparently stuck on a dead end chipset.
@GeordiLaForgery 4 жыл бұрын
There is a chance your board will add 4000 series in a bios update even though it's not officially supported. Too much confusing bs, for example how many will mistakenly buy B550 and try and stick a 3200G inside it.
@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын
@@GeordiLaForgery Maybe but I doubt it. That's really not something board partners will have control over nor would it really be in their interests anyway. They'd much rather sell expensive new boards then have everyone buying old b450 boards. I'm sure that's already cut into x570 sales as it is. AMD said they'd support AM4 until 2020. I guess I should have known that was BS when some 300 series boards locked out 3000 series chips.
@GeordiLaForgery 4 жыл бұрын
@@devilmikey00 The mobo makers also have a massive stock of existing b450/x470 to shift, otherwise it'll just end up in landfill so I hope they do the responsible thing.
@kawafahra 4 жыл бұрын
@@GeordiLaForgery Me and my MSI B450 A-Pro board both hope your educated guess is as good as your warp field engineering, Sir.
@kenzer1614 4 жыл бұрын
Well, he literally said that future support would stop because the bios memory chips literally don't have enough space for all the microcode of supported chips and that removing older models is a legacy support nightmare. What's is it that you do not understand? This is literally just a hardware limitation with no viable workaround.
@bluehands2636 4 жыл бұрын
Love having the website Steve. Good for quick reference. And please write your chipset song.
@AshSenpai512 4 жыл бұрын
I recently got to like your videos cause they are soo detailed thank you guys
@perdomot 4 жыл бұрын
Wanted to ask what difference the chipset going from gen 3 to gen 4 makes for regular PC users as I'm trying to decide whether to get an x570 or b550 mobo.
@richardwiens5356 4 жыл бұрын
Major Bummer that I'm not going to be able to upgrade to Zen3 on B450.
@backupplan6058 4 жыл бұрын
You would probably be better off putting that money into ether an higher core Zen2 or a GPU upgrade. Why is everyone all of a sudden want to pair B450 with Zen3, it’s like putting a Sports car engine in a hatchback, it may run faster but it doesn’t improve any other element of the car. A GPU upgrade would likely be a better spend.
@haukionkannel 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. 3700x is very good cpu... and there is 3950 is you really want to get more speed! This year we Also will get some interesting gpus that will five more speed.
@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын
@@haukionkannel It depends on if IPC is more important then cores to you. No upgrade in the 3000 line will net you increased single core performance. If you're a gamer who bought a 3600 and you thought maybe you might sell that off and upgrade to 4600 (or whatever it's called) to take advantage of the increased IPC then a 3950 isn't going to be a useful upgrade.
@racerex340 4 жыл бұрын
I know you've had some content queued up due to NDA's, but the amount and quality of content over the past 2 weeks has been excellent. No where else can I get the PC enthusiast product minutia I crave. You guys are killing it, thank you!!!
@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын
I wish. We made each of these like 6 hours ahead of publishing! Glad we give that impression, though!
@racerex340 4 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Either way, you guys are doing a great job!
@the_stixXx 3 жыл бұрын
First I have to say, Kudos to you man! You're on top of it all and always deliver solid information in a clear and precise manor! Second, My Asus Maximus VII Formula kicked the bucket. I was planning upgrading to the 5900x and a x570 board. Preferably the Dark Hero but both are impossible to get and both Asus and AMD have no time table for re-release and I know that the bots will swoop in and get them before I have a chance any way. I always buy the top I can when I need to upgrade then re-up every 6 or so years, picking up used stuff along the way. With DDR4 and now PCIe 4.0 it was time to re-up Currently I can get a B550 ROG Strix-E Gaming which has the passive cooled Chipset, which is why I wanted the Dark Hero X570, Passive chipset cooling (I hate additional fans) + Additional PCIe 4.0 lanes (I just know they are faster) I constantly Photo/Video Edit, Draft in CAD and create 3d Renderings. SO...I was stoked about the jump in speed with PCIE 4.0 and wanted to run 2 M.2 Nvme Drives to speed up my work flow. OS on one and Storage and Scratch disk on the other. I'm still a little lost with the difference between the capabilities of B550 and X570. If I am running Windows on one of the M.2 slots at PCIe 4.0 NVME would the other m.2, by default, run at PCI3 3.0, Do I have that correct? Also, If the GPU is running at PCIe 4.0 would the m.2 running the OS drop to PCIe 3.0? I'm a little confused. Thanks man, I like the Iron Maiden reference too.
@thinygamer9408 4 жыл бұрын
Super sad. Bought an X470 motherboard with my Ryzen 9 3900x since X570 was such a terrible value at launch. Really regret it in hindsight, but I feel this should have been communicated beforehand
@samusaran3393 4 жыл бұрын
Such a good cpu.. Unf
@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын
It's also disappointing because it appears to completely arbitrary. Only done to push new board sales via forced obsolescence and nothing more. I'm stuck in the same boat as you. Bought a b450 board because I wanted the ITX form factor and neither x470/x570 options offered anything extra that a b450 board didn't (pcie4.0 excluded on x570). Now I'm stuck on a dead end chipset. I was actually thinking of dropping in an 8 core 4000 ryzen chip if the IPC uptick of Ryzen 3 was decent but I guess not now. I'm not buying a new board again.
@ryanm8067 4 жыл бұрын
Upgrading from a 3900x to next gen ryzen us a big waste of money tbh
@chexmixkitty 4 жыл бұрын
You still have a beast of a CPU. You should be good for a while.
@umeng2002 4 жыл бұрын
This did communicate and they lied. They said until 2021.
@garethevans9789 4 жыл бұрын
I'd actually prefer a 'downgrade' to B550, the X570 chipset fan bugs the hell out of me (I'm surprised there are no aftermarket kits). The fan on the Asus X570-P is meant to be silent but that is BS. I can hear it from 1,500 rpm, which just happens to be about the minimum because the XFX 5700XT THICC2 (it was cheap and it doesn't actually suck) blocks it. Asus or XFX is out of spec as the only way to get the card seated is to push from the back of the motherboard too. Currently waiting for a THICC3 heatsink kit to be sent out, but there's some sort of logistics issue... It's so tight that I had to break the PCIe x16 locking tab when I removed it (the metal look is cosmetic, it's actually not that strong) to track down where the coil whine was coming from. I've currently got the GPU to keep spinning which does help a lot, but that little bastard will spin up in games. Anyway, only piping PCIe 4.0 to the top x16 and M.2 slots is a decent compromise which would be fine for most people. Especially if it gets rid of the useless PCH heatsink (most of the surface area is thick plastic) and I not sure why Asus thought putting a fan in the area normally covered by GPU heatsink was a good idea. There is something wrong with the x570 chipset, it drains power even when not in use (just a sound card), I could understand if I was moving data between the 2nd m.2 and a bunch of data drives. Steve's BFF did a video, I wonder if AMD did respond? 🤔 PS: Asus' AI suite also sucks as it won't display the chipset temp (just motherboard and CPU, package temps) when there are actually NINE temp sensors on the motherboard!! I just want VRM (which isn't even labelled) and chipset. Plus, Asus is about the only company that doesn't offer control over the chipset fan, despite loads of requests. /I'm glad I got that out of my system. Wooooosa....
@qkhuve 4 жыл бұрын
I’m so happy right now that I did buy a X570 and not a b450 since I’ve always planned to upgrade to Zen 3! Sometimes you’re lucky... Wonderfully made video btw! Very clear and to the point.
@aksshaysharma96 4 жыл бұрын
This new way of explaining, loved it
@austenfraunfelter3479 4 жыл бұрын
I'm buying a 3900x in a mini itx case, do you guys recommend waiting for b550 or going with a x570 or b450?
@ErenJaeg4R 4 жыл бұрын
X570 of course. Becouse 3900X very powerful CPU
@TheSwissGabber 4 жыл бұрын
B550 not supporting Ryzen 2000+ is really a bummer. Having one socket is no longer a good thing, it just became a trap.
@seamon9732 4 жыл бұрын
Blame the cheap penny pinching motherboard makers with their anemic bios sizes. Had they all put 16mb or 32mb+ from the start, there'd be zero problem.
@nicotolvanen5079 4 жыл бұрын
I don't really know what you mean, but if you want to buy b550 there is no reason, except cheaper processors, to go for a 2000 series processor. These boards will likely be more expensive, and if you really need the new b550 features just get a 3000 series processor. What most people are upset about, me included, is the fact that ryzen 4000 will not work on b450, which goes directly against amds promise, and peoples expectations.
@KPalmTheWise 4 жыл бұрын
@@vyor8837 some do, it all depends on if the manufacturer put a large enough bios flash to store the information of the new ones. The hardware physically supports it it's just whether or not the bios has enough space to be updated to support it.
@nicotolvanen5079 4 жыл бұрын
@@vyor8837 According to hardware unboxed and Amd themself they will not release ryzen 4000 to b450 in any capacity(This is only their current plan, and may change if enough people call them out for this). Since there is already a big backlash, i think Amd will in fact reconsider. This however is not confirmed, and can't be trusted upon. If Amd doesn't release an agesa version that supports b450 and ryzen 4000m motherboard companies will not be able to support ryzen 4000 even if they wanted to. It's all up to amd at this point
@teardowndan5364 4 жыл бұрын
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Demanding that motherboard manufacturers continue supporting new CPUs on discontinued out-of-warranty boards indefinitely does not make much sense. Not much different from previous AMD sockets where newer CPUs were only officially supported on the "+" socket variants. You could say AM4 has now entered its AM4+ phase.
@niwrad5060 3 жыл бұрын
This video is imformative and useful and help a lot. Thanks!
@abdielalfonso4556 4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a B450 board this week ._.xd. Also, I like how the Aorus Xtreme looks, nice to see you have one and are sponsored by gigabyte.
@mikeoleksa 4 жыл бұрын
This is a GREAT piece!!! To follow up on my original comment about zero views: After watching the 16 minute video the count went to 2,530 views with 253 likes and 4 dislikes. LOL
@GoLLuMPrecious 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the work that have been done Steve 👍🤘 But, in the official AMD slide at 3:05 in the line "AMD Ryzen 3000 with Radeon Graphics" (AKA 3200G and 3400G) we can see that it's compatible with X570 and not B550 while in your comparison you say that it is not with both. I'm confused right now 🤷♂️
@user-hu2iw5qu3i 4 жыл бұрын
It is deffinitely compatible. My experience is with the 3400G and X570 TUF GAMING PLUS - works like a charm
@Javierm0n0 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for this, i'm gonna be in the market for an AM4 board soon and have been wondering if i should wait for b550 to drop.
@Terrobility 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful video, thanks!
@vorgon 4 жыл бұрын
I just did a rebuild on my computer a month ago. Wanted to wait for the 4000's, but computer was dying. Didn't want a x570 because I didn't like having to deal with a proprietary fan on the board. So I went with the B450 Tomahawk MAX partly because it was a new design with larger bios to handle the extra cpu numbers. I went with a 1600af and just 16GB of 2666 to save a little with the idea that latter I would get an 8 core 4000 and 32GB of what ever speed memory would be best for it. I made these choices based on over a year of looking into options and how things went with the 3000's vs older boards and AMD's "claim" to support am4 to 2020. Now they pull this crap? I feel like I have been scammed by amd. The scam is to force people to buy a new chipset they don't really need or want just to get the a 4k.
@qzbnyv 4 жыл бұрын
Vorg How many hours of research do you think you put into it in your year+ of looking into the options?
@vorgon 4 жыл бұрын
@@qzbnyv Many.
@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын
@@qzbnyv Is your insinuation that he should have known AMD would renege on the promise that they would support AM4 until 2020? This isn't just a small group of people. A LOT OF PEOPLE bought b450/x470 boards to go along with their 3000 chips because x570 offered no real great features (PCIE 4.0 is irrelevant for 99% of people) for a large price increase. If AMD had let everyone know this LAST YEAR when x570 launched that b450/x470 wouldn't support anything past 3000 it have stunk but at least we'd have had that knowledge when we were making are purchasing decision.
@georgem9686 4 жыл бұрын
@@devilmikey00 (Until 2020)! I myself have b450 but not bother.
@IndigoDesert6 4 жыл бұрын
@@devilmikey00 sounds like a you problem. Its 2020 but maybe you live in 2018
@dmynerd78 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope AMD reconsiders Zen 3 support for X470. I got a nicer board specifically so I could upgrade to Zen 3. I don't care about gen 4 pcie I just want the faster clock speeds :(
@Powerman293 4 жыл бұрын
I thibk after the outcry, they will
@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, kind of a kick in the nuts isn't it? They made a big deal back in 2017 saying they would support AM4 until 2020 and that was already half untrue when some 300 series boards never got 3000 support and now they are just saying fuck it.
@dankbeast9013 4 жыл бұрын
It’s honestly more of up to the mobo manufacturer’s, yeah AMD supplies the microcode to them, but I’m sure they can do their own work arounds
@RunawayYe 4 жыл бұрын
@@Powerman293 You're overestimating the size of the market that knows/cares about these things.
@Scytian1 4 жыл бұрын
They say that Ryzen 3000 is not supported on A320, but almost all terrible A320 boards lists Zen 2 CPU's as compatible - some of the even support Ryzen 3950X. So there is hope.
@metalbreath66 4 жыл бұрын
Why this channel doesn't have multi million subs. I cannot understand. Got my large mod mat today. Looks just as awesome as it performs!😎😎 Thanks GN!
@ferrumignis 3 жыл бұрын
A really useful video, thanks!
@justtwoseats 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of using the same socket if you have to replace the motherboard anyways?
@superknightlol 4 жыл бұрын
yea. there a rumor about b450 will support 4000 series though
@Derael 4 жыл бұрын
@@superknightlol It's nothing but a rumour. AMD confirmed it won't.
@lefterislazaropoulos8846 4 жыл бұрын
I guess it allows you to upgrade your motherboard while keeping your cpu, if you wanna do that for some reason. Doesn't seem like something that a lot of people would need though
@drackar 4 жыл бұрын
I mean...not at all, no. If you bought the first generation of motherboards, you could use the first two generations of chips, and the better designed motherboards support third generation. Now, we're in, functionally, the third wave of boards, and if you wanted to do a build today, say your a320 fails, ports fail, whatever..you could buy a $160 x570 motherboard. And that's it. Everything else, including your first gen 1600 works. You can buy a motherboard, today, to fit a first gen ryzen CPU. I don't know what the future brings, I don't know what x670 will support, but that means four years of NEW motherboards that will take that perfectly usable OG chip. That's a cycle I'd like to see pushed forward. Compare that to intel, where sometimes they had sockets that lasted a _single year_. Say you bought a chip in 2014. The chip is still good. It still WORKS. But in 2019, half the RAM slots on your motherboard dies. You're either hunting for a a three generation old motherboard, to go with your still fully functional CPU that gets you 60+ frames in most games you play, used, or buying a new CPU. Nothing lasts FOREVER. But with AMD's system, you have overlap. When Intel rolls out that new socket for their 10'th series chip...how many people will have a legitimate need for that? Currently, no one. It doesn't do anything for you, functionally.
@justtwoseats 4 жыл бұрын
@@drackar We need like a two-paragraph limit on KZfaq comments.
@desmofan1864 4 жыл бұрын
Balls. Thanks for the delay, AMD :( *melancholic glance in my case window*
@gemmintuk509 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thank you. +1 sub
@marklowe7431 4 жыл бұрын
Usually cringe at the whole gaming laser focus but you present in a generic way that assists everyone. Great channel. Sub'd.
@bamtoday 4 жыл бұрын
Wait til AMD pulls a fast one and releases the x690 boards with Zen3 4000 series.
@haukionkannel 4 жыл бұрын
Brian Mulrooney it is very likely amd has released new motherboard with allmost all cpu generations. It depends on if amd goes to am5 socket at 2021 or not. If They don`t go, then 570 will be fine compared to Intel 490. And amd can release x670, x 690 and b650 boards at 2021 for Zen3+.
@nihadasadli2642 4 жыл бұрын
AMD can easily support 4000 chips even on a320(some a320s even support 3950x) b350 and x370 boards, let alone x470 and b450. That BIOS chip size excuse is complete BS, some new x570 boards have 16MB chips and they will support 4000 chips. Even for some BS reason 16MB chips don't have the storage for all the AM4 chips, motherboard makers can easily make 2 bios versions with, let's say, only Ryzen 1000 and 2000 chip support, and another with 3000 and 4000 chip support. That is IF AMD allows them to. After all it all comes to money, and AMD is a company. And companies need to make as much money as possible. Except this move will hurt AMD rather than helping it.
@Wheres_my_Dragonator 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt amd gains anything from not supporting an older board. It's the board manufacturers that are losing money by supporting older boards. If anything, amd gains more money by supporting old boards since only the cpu matters for them. Why would amd intentionally cut off support unless it's just not feasible? If you want to throw out conspiracy theories, at least make it believable.
@callidusvulpes5556 4 жыл бұрын
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator The only reason they're not compatible is bios storage yet some BIOSes have enough storage space so it's definitely possible. I just don't think that the average Joe that walks into a store to buy a mobo is going to recognize the difference between the b450 tomahawk and tomahawk max or will assume that since one b450 board or x470 board can do it all can do it. This could create outrage among the average joes who are not really enthusiasts. I think AMD just feels like it's not worth the bad press.
@Tjecktjeck 4 жыл бұрын
Do you belive you could make a board on AM4 and sell in freely? Every third party company (asus, gigabyte, etc ...) is paying a certain % of their mobo income to the giants (Intel/Amd/Nvidia).
@nihadasadli2642 4 жыл бұрын
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator I don't think logical evaluation of the situation is a conspiracy theory. Unless someone can prove me wrong, that's what I think is going on.
@Tjecktjeck 4 жыл бұрын
It is not so simple. OEM partners either have to buy certain parts from the big three or pay them if they want to use their products or features. For example buildzoid recently covered a older EVGA board, during (board's time) Nvidia forced OEM's to buy their SLI support chip, when in reality that chip had no purpose. Today they may not force partners to buy extra parts anymore, but instead just taking a slim piece from the sales. It is a common practice in other industries, so why would it be any different here.
@boidsonly 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detail. Odd choice of features on both. I want to go AMD this time around- I guess the x570 will have to be my choice.
@Lead_Foot 4 жыл бұрын
What's great about Zen is that technically you don't really need a chipset to get a good variety of I/O. There's an onboard I/O controller with USB, SATA, and 10gbe that just require a physical interface.
@racerex340 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man... I hear an Iron Maiden reference from the dude that is doing a deep dive technical overview of a new platform, I hit the like button..
@simonito1715 4 жыл бұрын
Looking at the comments I was afraid no one else understood! Nice one Steve :D
@normac3914 4 жыл бұрын
Intel Spy's in AMD company, Good Job!
@redmer89 2 жыл бұрын
ver, very, VERY well explained. Thank you!
@TheGokki 4 жыл бұрын
Video idea: a video about the different brands' (MSI, Gigabyte,...) UEFIs. how they work, where to find the most commonly-needed options and settings, what to pay attention to, what to not touch, what's missing, etc...
@MrTrilbe 4 жыл бұрын
Oh come on, the only time to summon Bruce Dickinson is at 2 minutes to midnight, but only if you have a Fear of the Dark, though you can't be Afraid to shoot strangers but you'll have to Be quick or be dead, it's as if Maiden set themselves up for these puns...
@bret44 4 жыл бұрын
I like how you steered away from talking about the memory size limitations nonsense, better not to comment on that, LOL.
@ldfinotti 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the Iron Maiden reference!
@prateeksaini5412 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such a comprehensive breakdown of chipset features. My question is can you use ryzen 3000 series cpus' pcie gen4 lanes for gpu and nvme on x470 and b450 mobos. Edit - got the answer at 5:50.
@seylaw 4 жыл бұрын
@Gamers Nexus The tech media just has been burned from this decision as well, recommending B450/X470 for such a long time and not putting much more pressure on AMD to get B550 in order backfires right now. If you had known in advance that X570 is "more future proof" in CPU support, that would have been a major selling point for these high end boards and would have made AMD look stupid to not have a B550 chipset available on time to cover the entry- to mid-level market. But the tech media exonerated AMD on this point because B450/X470 was still readily available and at least it was assumed from many to be compatible with Zen 3. So where is the rage in the tech media now? It also highlights that their current platform strategy isn't great at all. Their reliance on Asmedia just bit them hard with the 500 series (having to sacrifice their I/O die for X570 and the need to delay B550 for a year). AMD should put much more effort into their platform (timing and feature wise). As Gamers Nexus argued about in the past about letting third parties handling the chipset production we now clearly see the downsides, as no third party has the same incentive as AMD to do it right and on time. It is a contract but the existance of the company doesn't rely on it. In my opinion this whole mess shows that more integration is in order here to have more control over their own platform (e.g. in-house-development of the chipset) and lessen the reliance on third parties. It is not a distraction, the platform is an important part of their core business.
@gracej79 4 жыл бұрын
IAFAIK B550 isn't late because ASMedia were late in delivery, but because the contract was late in being signed.
@Derael 4 жыл бұрын
That's the point: AMD wanted to sell out B450 and X470 boards before announcing this BS. Now people who want to upgrade are forced to buy newer board anyway.
@bhume7535 4 жыл бұрын
Just bought a b450 to go with a free 1500x I got. Can't wait to upgrade to ryzen 3000 once they're cheap from everyone upgrading.
@Derael 4 жыл бұрын
Very few people will upgrade to Zen 3, since you have to buy separate motherboard for it, people will just stay on their B450 Ryzen 3600 until Zen 4 or Zen 5 comes out.
@bhume7535 4 жыл бұрын
@@Derael People with X570 will upgrade and people might buy B550 as an upgrade from there A320 or B350. You never know.
@Elitist 4 жыл бұрын
@@Derael Still on Zen 1 so I likely will tbh
@povisykt 4 жыл бұрын
Im fast this time, great video. Support.
@mimilmama 4 жыл бұрын
Yesss thanks ! I was so confused
@snowhawk4049 4 жыл бұрын
"either you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain" the story of AMD and Ryzen?
@clansome 4 жыл бұрын
@snowhawk AMD- tel !! LOL
@twanc156 4 жыл бұрын
@@geepsu666 also why the hell would anyone from the the beginning of Ryzen even bother upgrading to Zen3 when Zen4 will be 5nm and most likely need a new mobo again for DDR5/5nm support, it's fucked up and i'm pissed
@FreeSpirit90 4 жыл бұрын
didn't AMD say back in 2017 that they will release a new chipset in 2020, and that all current mobo's(b350 x370, b450,x470) will be supported until 2020?
@tornadotj2059 4 жыл бұрын
If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.
@garrettk7166 4 жыл бұрын
@@twanc156 If it's a large enough upgrade, either get high end Zen 2 then wait till Zen 4 to upgrade, or wait for Zen 3 , then upgrade on Ze 5. If an upgrade is for productivity, and that upgrade now pays for itself with significant time savings over the next few years, it's worth the investment. If it's an upgrade 'just because', then wait.
@Candisa 4 жыл бұрын
Yeeeaaahhh, I bought a B450 board with a 2600 a few months ago with the plan of upgrading to a 4600X (or higher)... RIP me
@haukionkannel 4 жыл бұрын
Candisa buy cheap 3950 next year! When next gen 5000 series get released! Amd cpus get really affordable when They Are two generations old. And you will get cpu that will beat anything Intel have ready by that time!
@user-hu2iw5qu3i 4 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid it's not going to pan out exactly the same this gen, with Ryzen 4000 being the last gen on AM4, and if it does not have a great IPC and frequency rise from 3000, then there's no incentive for 3000 to get any cheaper. Add in all the people now on x470 and b450, seemingly locked from upgrade path to 4000 and I see an enormous demand for 3700x, 3800x, 3900, 3900x and 3950x which will keep the prices up, especially the last three skus
@clochard4074 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-hu2iw5qu3i Exactly. Who bought zen 2 is locked in a corner, zen 3 is a dead end since am5 will come out next year. Upgradability between zen + and zen 2 wasn't guaranteed.
@Candisa 4 жыл бұрын
@@haukionkannel A 3950 is a way too nice CPU to put in a mid-end B450 ITX board, and honestly I have no use for it anyways. I'll probably just use this system as is, it should be plenty for years ahead, and just build something new when needed. It's just that I've probably would have gotten a 3700X instead of a 2600 had I known there was no upgrade path to Zen 3.
@1m1337noSh1t 4 жыл бұрын
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@LaughingSkull451 3 жыл бұрын
Liked just for that Maiden reference 😂 also that little text you put on the bottom left corner 😂
@Sunlight91 4 жыл бұрын
A nice video to listen to during my workout.
@kotekzot 4 жыл бұрын
You were the chosen one, AMD! You were supposed to destroy Intel, not join them!
@galerinha 4 жыл бұрын
I have felt a great disturbance in the customer's force It's like millions of b450 and x470 owners died inside
@maxhughes5687 4 жыл бұрын
Amazon is sold out of X570 Crosshair VIII boards. A new cpu with so many new features the old boards can't keep up is a good thing.BRAVO AMD
@thiagocordeiro8411 4 жыл бұрын
I loved that comment!
@Gerz970 3 жыл бұрын
they kept their promise, they said they would keep it the same for five years and they did
@Lionotus 4 жыл бұрын
I hope AMD gets pushed back on their decision not to (even unofficially) support the 300 and 400 series Motherboards for Ryzen 4000 CPU's like they did with the 3000 series. Many 300 and 400 series boards were built with cheap components, since motherboard vendors have never really taken AMD boards seriously until X570. There were however really good boards too, like the Crosshair series for example (I own a X370 Crosshair VI Extreme) which are massively overkill for pretty much any Ryzen CPU. Its been shown that PCI-E 4.0 used to work fine on the better boards, but because AMD didn't want confusion about which boards can handle it and which can't, they Removed that functionality in the AGESA code. (Wish someone could create a modded BIOS with it re-enabled) I'm guessing AMD is once again trying to weed out those weaker 300 and 400 series boards while sacrificing everyone who bought good ones. I don't buy the excuse i've heared about the BIOS ROM size not being large enough, as thats why the MSI Max series of boards were made (32mb), and the Current largest BIOS size for my ASUS board is about 10mb. I always build my computers to last a good 8 years, and resell parts if possible, so as not to add to the mountains of E-waste. I refuse to upgrade my perfectly servicable high end motherboard and feed into useless consumerism.
@Lionotus 4 жыл бұрын
@Comeonregister Having upgraded from a Phenom II X6 System, I'm well aware of how long AMD's sockets last. It was pretty clear that Zen 3 was going to be on AM4 from the getgo. My point was that there doesnt (yet) appear to be any legitimate reason for locking compatibility with past generation boards. The pin count is the same, the boards still use DDR4, PCIE-4.0 is on the CPU side, there doesnt appear to be any power constraints, and i doubt BIOS size is an issue as was claimed. Sacrificing everyone who bought good or high end boards, because others bought cheap A320/B350 boards which *might* cause issues is insulting to the DIY audiences intelligence at the very least. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
@ExarchGaming 4 жыл бұрын
not every board maker had that 32gb of rom, thus your ire would be better directed at them for not using them universally. Maybe we can expect MSI to enable support due to using the larger rom size. From what i'm told the cost of those 32gb roms are significantly higher than 16gb which may be a factor.
@OldManShoutsAtClouds 4 жыл бұрын
Building my rig with an x570 board tonight, can't wait!
@codyrap95 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info! Sadly this raises more questions than it answers. Coming from Intel I'd say it's not easy at all choosing a mobo for AMD.
@The_Chad_ 4 жыл бұрын
So, AMD says they look at the comments and listen to their customers? Well listen to this, it's total bs that AMD is saying nothing under B550 will work with next gen Ryzen. Maybe it wouldn't be as egregious if B550 came out a year sooner, but instead you have all of us people who bought new 3000 chips with older B-class motherboards because we didn't need X-class boards. If the new B-class was out sooner, we would have bought it over the older B450, but it wasn't. So now that AMD screwed around and didn't get out B550 out in time, all of us who didn't need a premium motherboard are screwed when it comes to future upgrades. Thanks AMD. I understand that there is only so much room on a bios, but maybe you should have thought of that sooner and instructed manufacturers to keep that in mind when designing a board. And if it's too late now to add support for 4000 series on older motherboards, then you should have optional bios codes available that does away with support for older cpus and can support only 4000, or maybe 3000 and 4000 if they'll both fit. But seriously, AMD, it doesn't mean that much to stick with the same socket for 5 years if a ton of boards have no upgrade path now, even though the cpu will still physically fit in the socket. We all bought B450 because YOU said there would be backwards compatibility through this year. Now you're reneging? You screwed up by not getting B550 out sooner, now you need to make it right to all of us who were STUCK buying an older chipset .
@douglaspianta4187 4 жыл бұрын
Some b450 motherboards have bigger bios memory size than x570 boards. The max b450 boards were given the larger memory specifically so they could support multiple generations of CPUs.
@Shadow__133 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know what you read or what promises AMD made you. I got a x570 because 1) it is already incompatible with Zen 2+ out of the box (bios upgrade needed) and 2) because I wanted to future proof my build a bit. Im glad to hear it will be compatible with x570. Sorry if you bought an older board and it won’t be 🤷🏻♂️?
@The_Chad_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@douglaspianta4187 It's awesome that some motherboard manufacturers had the foresight to do that, but I think AMD should have mandated it for all boards. It's not like it costs anyone but a few extra dollars at the very most to put a higher capacity bios rom on their boards. But the worst part about this is that AMD said they weren't going to allow manufacturers to support older cpus on their upcoming boards. I don't know how they can block it since manufacturers will obviously have the code for future processors, but what do I know.
@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын
@@Shadow__133 They literally made a huge deal out of supporting AM4 up until 2020 back when ryzen was first launched in 2017. It was one of the big selling points of going with AMD over intel. You'd be able to buy a board and keep the CPU relevant for 3 years. They reneged on that. He has every right to be ticked off. Especially since the only way to get a sub 200 dollar board when 3000 series came out was to buy b450/x470. Like he said if they'd released b550 alongside the 3000 launch none of this would be a problem. Instead they delayed it a year and a ton of folks who didn't want expensive motherboards opted for b450 because who cares? AMD said they'd support future updates and PCIE 4.0 isn't a big deal. Whoops, turns out that was BS and now an entire years worth of folks buying AMD cpu's just had their upgrade path yoinked from underneath them.
@The_Chad_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Shadow__133 When they said AM4 was going to be their platform for 5 years nobody thought that meant that even though the socket is going to stay the same, some boards won't work with some chips. The implication was you could buy an X370 at launch then upgrade your cpus throughout the life of AM4. Of course bios updates will be needed, the code for future cpus hadn't been written yet. I'm glad you have an X570 board, but dont be elitist about it. I have 5 computers less than 2 years old and one has an X570 in it. This isn't only about you and me. I'm speaking up for everyone who has to spend their money extremely wisely when building a computer. I'm speaking for all of the people that have made the 3600 the best selling cpu. Most of those people probably paired it with a B450, thinking they would be able to upgrade to Zen 3 down the road. That's what they've been told by every tech outlet after all. And the reason I'm making a big fuss is because AMD says they listen to their customers. This move isn't best for their customers and it doesn't have to be this way. They can fix. They can release code to support any of these cpus on any of these boards and they should.
@twanc156 4 жыл бұрын
I am extremely upset. I waited until December 2019 for B550 because I kinda had a feeling something like this would happen. It didn't come out and won't come out till like June but I bought a B450 Tomahawk Max with the 32mb chipset so I am livid at this news and it's really not right... AMD fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ryanm8067 4 жыл бұрын
Snag a 3900x on sale. Tbh the ryzen 3 shouldn't be much better
@chronyk743 4 жыл бұрын
Live with it
@ryanwilliams3024 4 жыл бұрын
Just go intel and buy a new board every gen...
@schwarziex3563 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanm8067 Rumored +15% IPC + higher clocks is nothing to sniff at. ASnd im in the same boat as A C. I bought a B450 Tomahawk Max because there wasnt a single appealing (= non fan and less expensive) X570 Board when i upgraded from my Haswell and i planned to put in a Ryzen 4000 into it once released. Now i will need a new board and the resale value of all B450 Boards will drop. And i know a lot of other people whi did something similar because they also considered Y570 as garbadge when they upgraded from older platforms and expected to have at least one more upgrade on this platform available. AQnd thats especially shitty for the B450 and X470 Mainboard that got refreshed for Ryzen 3000 to be an alternative to the uninterestring X570 platform.
@mkchow79 4 жыл бұрын
I waited and you should have too. There was tech news about the B550 chipset everywhere during that time. Now I know B550 is shyte I'm going for the X570 Tomahawk instead of the Asus x570 prime p/csm. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLJ9Y6aLv5-5p2w.html
@sultanofsick 3 жыл бұрын
Man I'm so glad I found this channel. Even if I don't need to know any of the info, your perfect deadpan delivery of savage put downs gets me every time!
@BEG_Bueno 4 жыл бұрын
myself and 4 friends have the same steel legend b450 with the 3600/x and none of us have looked back, cannot wait to see some amazing 144hz budget gaming rigs with the 3300x
@Loosmoose942 4 жыл бұрын
What about Ryzen 4000 APUs? If compatibility is tied to architecture, 400 series mobos should work with ryzen 4000 APUs right?
@madmax2069 4 жыл бұрын
i do believe that may be entirely up to the board manufacturers
@Dilo22 4 жыл бұрын
Weeeeellp. There go my upgrade plans I had been making for over a year. Thanks for pranking us, AMD. Very Intel of you. :|
@Pand0rasAct0r_ 4 жыл бұрын
Yep same xD have a 2600x still paired with my 2070 super. (Did a GPU upgrade first). But now I'm stuck to either 3000 or get a b550 board and hope to see that ryzen 4000 will be a very big increase over 3000 series cpu. Making it actually worth getting for several years till another upgrade is needed again.
@Dilo22 4 жыл бұрын
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ my bet is to just wait for zen4. That'll be on ddr5. Just do a whole system upgrade then if you want to do that. Getting a new mobo JUST for zen3 is silly.
@NemoConsequentae 4 жыл бұрын
Now I want to hear more about USB3.7√144Gen0.5! :D
@mckinleyscottie3466 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 3200g. Thanks for explaining my upgrade path, as I was looking at a x570. My B450 will have to do.
@justincooper1884 4 жыл бұрын
They need to allow at least the X470 boards to be compatible. Reward those that spent the xtra money to get the top tier.
@backupplan6058 4 жыл бұрын
So the extra features the board has at the time of purchase isn’t enough? Sorry but if your reasoning for splashing the extra money is hope it’s theoretically going to be supported longer despite no claims made to be that, then you really need to reconsider your purchases.
@justincooper1884 4 жыл бұрын
Well I guess that's one way to interpret what I said I suppose, go with the most negative interpretation so you can be salty. Relax, you are worthy, you are loved, by someone somewhere. Take a deep breath and just......relax. Peace !
@samuelwhite3173 4 жыл бұрын
@@justincooper1884 AMD said AM4 would be supported until 2021. With the way that 3xx and 4xx series boards worked, this is very misleading..
@justincooper1884 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. I specified X470 b/c that's what I bought :) We'll see if AMD goes full-on Intel or if this is a one-off middle finger to the customer.
@haukionkannel 4 жыл бұрын
Samuel White Ryzen 400 will be used in am4 socket so They did keep the ”promise” They did not say that all am4 socket using motherboards does support all am4 based cpus... yeah... I know it does not help. I Also was hoping one more year to old motherboards. All the 400 series motherboard owners just need to wait the 3950 to become cheap and They will have cpu for the next 10 years! 3950 should be fast enough to most task I can think of...
@spark10127945 3 жыл бұрын
does this mean i have to get a X570 board if i want to get a RTX 3000 series card?
@flowerthencrranger3854 3 жыл бұрын
RTX 30 series will require Mother-Boards with PCIe 4.0 (B550 or X570) They will be compatible with Mother-Boards with PCIe 3.0 however, their memory bandwidth will be significantly reduced.
@Owl90 3 жыл бұрын
@@flowerthencrranger3854 Thanks for answering!
@flowerthencrranger3854 3 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome
@KL-lt8rc 3 жыл бұрын
@Shirou Kotomine Here is a list of the main differences. Which one is better is going to depend on your build and preferences: CPU: X570 supports older and newer processors. B550 only supports gen 3 and newer. Storage: x570 supports two PCIe 4.0 m2 drives. B550 only supports one with PCIe 4.0 and another with 3.0. So if you plan to use two nvme drives, and need really fast transfers speeds on both, then go x570. PCIe 16x (GPU) slots: x570 supports PCIe 4.0 for multiple 16x PCIe slots. B550 only supports PCIe 4.0 for the top slot (GPU) with PCIe 3.0 for the rest. This is probably not a big deal unless you plan to run SLI, or a bunch of extra cards, or something exotic like that. Even then, a graphics card isn't going to be bottle-necked by a 3.0 slot. Networking: X570 supports 5 and 10 gig lan. B550 only supports 1 gig. USB: X570 supports more USB 3.2 ports and more overall ports.
@KL-lt8rc 3 жыл бұрын
@Shirou Kotomine You could add another M2 drive, but the read/write speeds won't be as good for the second one because it will be using PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0. Not sure about the audio. I think x570 boards draw more power in general, which is why they generally have cooling on the boards. Also the LAN difference doesn't seem to be universal. I've run across some x570 boards still using 1 gig. And unless you're transferring stuff around a local network a lot, with 5 or 10 gig switches, the bottleneck will still be your ISP.
@KenS1267 4 жыл бұрын
Iron Maiden reference? Geezer rock FTW. (Yes, I'm so ancient I saw them do Rime of the Ancient Mariner live during the the Powerslave tour, XMas Eve 1984 with Quite Riot opening at IIRC the Omni in Atlanta).
@VGDocs 4 жыл бұрын
I want to see that number of the beast chipset song Steve!
@rozzbourn3653 4 жыл бұрын
AMD crapping on all the b450/x470 motherboard buyers. so they are keeping the same socket, but they just aren't allowing people to use newer chips on older motherboards....so they have to buy a new one anyways. am4 was supposed to end after ryzen 3 anyways right? why not just allow the support? is it a money grab?
@GeoStreber 4 жыл бұрын
nah I don't think it's a money grab. In my opinion, they really planned for those chipsets to run Zen 3, but some problem came up with it that they couldn't overcome. I'll give AMD the benefit of the doubt here. They kind of deserve it.
@bananya6020 4 жыл бұрын
kind of the same thing when they tried not to support zen 2 on b350 i do actually believe in bios size limitations, there's a reason x570 doesn't support zen 1, but i still think that like b350 and x370 eventually some mobo manufacturers with larger bios chips will give their b450/x470 and maybe even b350/x370 boards zen 3 support, perhaps while dropping support for zen 1.
@rozzbourn3653 4 жыл бұрын
@@bananya6020 well, lets just hope for the mod community to make cutom bios' that fit in the 16mb file size.
@viperchrisz4 4 жыл бұрын
This is starting to sound a lot like new Intel sockets but with more steps
@Cappanerd 3 жыл бұрын
Well that answered questions I didn't know I had.
@tornadotj2059 4 жыл бұрын
At 2:58 you said there would be a link to the other MB review in the comments, but no link is present. :)
@StarsMarsRadio 4 жыл бұрын
Wow..Good thing I bought x470 for the socket support. That's really stupid. Now I kinda hope the gains of 4000 is insignificant. I'll take that money I was considering for a cpu bump and throw it at a 3080ti budget ;]
@valenrn8657 4 жыл бұрын
RTX 3080 Ti most likely has PCI-E 4.0 support.
@BatTech 4 жыл бұрын
AMD gave the middle finger to X370, X470, and B450 owners.
@bubblegumgun3292 4 жыл бұрын
more especially to the b550 it just came out and it wont last, i got my x370 on first gen i got my moneys worth.
@noctrk161 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, zen 3 will be on am4. I don't get it, why older am4 motherboards won't support it
@superknightlol 4 жыл бұрын
@@noctrk161 at least x370,b350 can still support 3000 series ryzen just need to update bios from manufacture. not like intel, every series is different mobo.
@Derael 4 жыл бұрын
@@bubblegumgun3292 How is it a middle finger to B550? People who get B550 probably get it with a new Ryzen 5 3600, with an option to upgrade to Zen 3. I got my B450 a week ago with no option to upgrade further, because the support was cut.
@witekborowski1410 4 жыл бұрын
My guess is Zen 3 won't support PIC-E gen 3 at all, thus won't work on anything that does not have gen 4
@ninpomaniac 4 жыл бұрын
Great, maybe we'll finally see some matx boards!
@FreddyBoyBoy 4 жыл бұрын
My concern is if the new 4000 series will work right out the box with b550 motherboards without having to do a bios update since I don't have a Ryzen cpu to do that
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