[SPON: Use "brokensilicon“ for 25% OFF MS Software, like Win 10 Pro for $17: www.cdkeyoffer.com/cko/Moore10 ] [SPON: Win 11 Pro ($23): www.cdkeyoffer.com/cko/Moore11 ] [SPON: Win10 Home ($15): www.cdkeyoffer.com/cko/Moore10h ] [SPON: Office 2016 ($29): www.cdkeyoffer.com/cko/Moore16 ] [SPON: Office 2019 ($48): www.cdkeyoffer.com/cko/Moore19 [SPON: Use “dieshrink” for 3% OFF EVERYTHING! ] #windows11 #cdkeyoffer

That comment on the 5070 got me so annoyed: God forbid AMD takes the initiative for once and releases a good product months ahead of the competition, that would help them gain market share and we don't want that. In fact, let me give you an exclusive here, I already know what the price of RDNA4 is going to be. Brace yourselves, folks, you read it here first: - N48 price = RTX 5070 price - 10-20% - N44 price = RTX 5060 price - 10-20%

They would be stupid not to get to market early. Having the cheapest and most powerful GPU for a few months before 50 series would be huge for them. But AMD never misses a chance to miss out on a market opportunity so no doubt they'll fuck this up too.

Lisa please gib a decent 500$ gpu

I felt the 6800 XT I got for like slightly over €500 on AMDs website was a good deal, it easily does 1440p ultra in the games I play, meaning I can dial the settings back to high and not toast my system.

5090 for 5090$ confirmed! 👌

RX 7700 XT + 10% below $400 is nothing. By that time, RX 7800 XT probably is already under $400. This is RX 6700 XT vs RX 7600 all over again.

I'm interested in the Infinity Cache setup for RDNA4, since 256-bit + 20Gbps GDDR6 are quiet a bit slower than what even the 7900 XT offers. There's the monolithic benefit, but that won't improve much.

Tom, please let me go to sleep at a reasonable time 😭

so we are looking at a 7900xt with a $100 discount from 699 to 599. really exciting. let the next round of stagnation commence.

ngreedia prices are gonna be insane with gddr7 lol

Why is Navi 48 the higher performance die this time around compared to previous gens where the lower second number usually meant the more powerful die, ex Navi 33 being worse than Navi 31

I have this odd perception that RDNA3 and Lovelace are really old at this point, yet the prices aren't coming down to what would normally match this old tech. I hope AMD pushes RDNA4's release to be sooner rather than later, but if they go the Polaris route, even if it means modern GPUs that are finally affordable, I may have to Wait For RDNA5...

Improving upscaler is more important than chasing RT performance imho, Hub just did a poll and most people still prefer higher refresh rate compared to enabling RT, even Xess improved much more than FSR

If AMD marketing doesn't shoot itself in the mouth again and these specs are somewhat accurate then this will be very compelling. Was watching the HUB podcast and RDNA2 6700XT-6800XT got a LOT of traction within the enthusiast sector. Its a self selecting audience, but about 40% market share.

Seeing what AMD has done with MI300s, I am excited to see similar stuff in RDNA5 and Zen6

N44 should be on a 192bit bus minimum.

Greets from Poland! Do we have any power consumption projections for RDNA4? I must say I lke the idea behind RDNA4 - decent price, reasonable performance @4K.

GDDR6 in Navi 48 is a huge bummer.

Reading between the lines, AMD still is building down the backlog of cards to sell through from when the mining boom ended. That also kinda explains why we never saw a huge price drop immediately. Both AMD and nvidia seems to have held back at least 2 years worth of supply to avoid a price crash.

Waiting for big RDNA 5

AMD is on the record saying that RDNA4 should separate the RT from the main pipeline. This will give them the ability to go wider on RT then before, but just how much of a benefit with this have? I don't care that much about RT because of how bad performance is most of the time, but I want to see better RT performance so RT can finally go mainstream.

- According to Wikichip's fuse, N4P will provide 11% iso-power improvement. - N32 is about 344 mm2 in total, with the MCDs (144 mm2) fabbed in N6. Make these on N4P, remove the need for buses going in and out to the MCM fanout lines, and you probably will have a 280 mm2 die. You'll have about 20% of headroom there. I'd be surprised if AMD isn't able to capitalize this and at least match the 7900 XT (30% faster than the 7800 XT). I'll put my money on 35-37% faster than 7800 XT, which is 3/8 between 7900 XT and 4080/4080 S. That's the bare minimum, anything less would be EXTREMELY shocking.

If RDNA 4 launches in Q4 2024 - Q1 2025 it will have to compete with the Nvidia 5000 series, not the 4000 series. By the end of the year the 7900 XT will be 2 years old already. Also the 7900 XT is only 30% stronger than the 7800 XT. So let's call this future GPU by its proper name. It should be called the 8800 XT. Not the 8900 XT. Therefore, the 8800 XT for $500 is not a revolution, but just a normal price for this GPU tier. The 7900 XT is already at $700. By the end of the year, it will probably be at $600 anyway. The RTX 5070/Super will likely be as powerful as 7900 XT because it would also only be a 30% improvement. It's not likely that prices will rise above $600 at this point. So the 5070/Super will have the performance of a 7900 XT for $500 to $600. Does $100 (at best) make that much of a difference? AMD is always 10-20% cheaper than Nvidia. Don't get me wrong I'm an AMD user, but that's exactly what we have now. Nothing to get overly excited about. On the contrary, it would be a big disappointment if the future 8800 XT was only 10-20% better for the same price. 30% improvement is the minimum that can be called ok.

Great info as always. Though as we know pricing can be decided upon last moment and honestly I'm a bit skeptical of $500 price point since 7800XT has been selling well there. In past launches AMD desired to reap it profits too, overpricing at launch and discounting later. We'll see :)

Yep, can confirm, I am desperate for some new RDNA4 info lol

I wanted to finally upgrade and go 7900 XTX but the power draw and heat is insane.. and it would hurt in my quite restricted case. 4nm should be cooler hey? If it's gonna be around XT/XTX should be way less power hungry while having the same performance.

I hope Navi 44 doesn't exceed $350, it's a tiny die with a 128-bit bus. If the 7600 can sell for $270 with decent margins then there's no reason why top N44 has to sell for more than $350. Node change alone shouldn't dictate _that_ much of a price hike, especially considering it'll prolly still be on GDDR6.

7900XT is current US$699, so a theoretical price of $500 would be quite nice but not that groundbreaking. If it's $600 it's rather lackluster.

I'm currently a bit concerned about the media here in Germany, they claim that Zen5 will have at least 30% IPC increase, because of RedGaming Tech. I already had to create multiple accounts on these sides, to comment on these claims and that RGT is not a good leaker, he made major mistakes in the past, "leaked" complete trash from his "very trustful source"...

doubt AMD will releasing RDNA 4 before NVIDIA 5000 series release. There are still RDNA 2 selling that means RDNA 3 stock are still aplenty. Also the RDNA 4 sounds like a Super series instead of a completely new range.

if top RDNA 4 is closer to a 7900XT than a 4080, then it has to be $499-$549 at most or it's gonna be a disappointment again. I'm sorry but AMD needs a home run.

Ya know, instead of making new GPU's every two years, why not wait? We really don't need new GPU's.

Still happy with my 6800xt in 1440p. Had it for 2.5 years and performance has never been a let down. Planning on getting 5 years out of it at least. Hopefully 8 years like my previous pc

I dont understand, why dont they just make N44 into a 192-bit bus instead of 128-bit, that way they can charge around $350+/- while having 12gb of VRAM without having to deal with clampshell design and 16gb of VRAM which not a lot of people will utilize since 4k is kinda unrealistic in the performance area and older titles that do run 4k high at 60+fps won't even be utilizing more than 12gb.

me, still waiting with a gtx 1070ti waiting for a good deal .....

*Was thinking about picking up one of those Nvidia SUPER cards...* *But the way that BULLSHIT panned out, when the reviews dropped...* *Might as well just wait for nex gen AMD or Nvidia.*

I heard that from many sources, RDNA 4 is following the "Polaris approach". Maybe this refers to how Vega was to HBM2 and MCM with how Navi 4C (high-end) is to GDDR7 and array of chiplets. So instead of delaying the mid-range, they split the generation to two. The mid-range becomes "Polaris" i.e. RDNA 4 and the high-end becomes "Vega", i.e. RDNA 5. But I believe that the reasoning of the split of Vega and Polaris was limited resources and uncertainty (of HBM2), while the split of RDNA 4 and 5 was neither of those two. AMD now has a very strong cash flow that can be allocated to R&D, and GDDR7 is in order of magnitude more certain. So while it looks very similar from the outside, this is not "AMD giving up high-end". It has a much more technical background without any effect of being sabotaged by an unproven memory system.

Question: Will AMD go above W7900 48GB with RDNA 4 with AI workstation cards?

I think a LOT of people were hoping AMD would launch this "$500 4080" before Nvidia launch the rest of their linup in 2025 to steal sales from them. I totally get RDNA 3 is selling well now but imagine how good a midrange card like a 8700XT would sell if it started the whole gen off and all Nvidia had was a $2000 5090 lol.

if true, Navi 44 needs to be priced at $299 at the very most, and even that is stretching it

I'm so happy I bought my 1080ti 6 years ago. ROFL. Still running strong with no need to upgrade and I have 11gb of VRAM. ROFL watching the GPU market is hilarious.

is it me or I'm having a hard time being hyped about a new GPU with the perfoirmance of the 4080? Of course price matters and all but....

i am completely blown away by the performance of my 7900xt, no regrets

I bought a 7800 xt after your first rdna 4 leak that said high en was cancelled and I'm really happy with it so far. I also have to plan according to when I visit the USA because in the country where I live they're charging 900 dollars for a 6800 so I just put my new gpu into carry-on and get it for less than half price

AMD no high end 'Goat GPU' disappoint confirmed. Sad that DDR7 isn't ready, not AMDs fault but Samsung's. I was hoping for 7950XTX with DDR 7.

I'm not mad there is no 4080 killer, I'm disappointed how over the past decade the mid to low end has basically stagnated with prices scaling to performance increase. 10 years ago I bought a 980ti on sale during its generation for $400 it was only with the release of the 3060ti did $400 provide a decent upgrade, and my monitor upgrade from 1080p to 1440p ate a lot of that performance bump.

If they get to a 7900 XTX, then we will finally have a 4k high refresh midrange card. Also, looking at the recent hardware unboxed review of the 4080 super, I noticed the 7900 xtx in it is 47% faster than 6950 xt. I think we will see RDNA 3 age just as well.

So nothing changes. AMD is trying to catch up as usual and Nvidia charges premium because it's ahead. We'll basically get updated current gen but with slight price decrease. We're stuck in 4k with upscalers for 2-3 gens

I have my reservations about the top end RDNA4 cards... 300-3250mm2 monolithic is fine when the 7900s were (GCD) 300mm2. so they are optimizing the MCDs out of it which is good, new expensive node they don't want to spend money on cache for no reason but I find it hard to believe it will do much more than the 7800XT did for RDNA3. Granted the 7800XT is an amazing card itself, however nvidia is just going to bend AMD over again if this is the best they can do. Also my fears of them dropping (or them just being more buggy and last to be taken care of) RDNA3 support in drivers is becoming more and more prevalent

Now that path tracing is being introduced and dropping rasterized shadow mapping is being considered, AMD can't afford yet another only slightly revamped design and needs to catch up more than ever. This means solving the issue with their filters won't do anymore, and they need dedicated processes for the task - as they claimed they would at some point.

Unless Nvidia releases Blackwell in 2024Q4 (mid-range GPU like a 5070 with a 4080S level of performance), AMD should probably release that Navi 48 during that time (Nvidia and their partners won't sell their 4080S below $800, so AMD would be good to go... if those prices are correct... time will tell..) EDIT: 20:40 that's why we need more competition in the GPU market...

ancient gameplays is the goat for amd related stuff

So Navi48 is basically Navi 21 shrink down to 4nm with dual issue FP32 ALU, bigger RT cores, AI accelerators, dual media engine, 20% faster than RX 6950XT at stock, 34% faster in OC models, $500 MSRP at stock. Perfect. And Navi 44 is Navi 23 clocked over 3Ghz with all above improvements and below

I trust AMD for these type of moves, they have done this before, I bought a 5700XT in 2019 with no regrets, one of the best value cards ever released. even a 8800XT performing almost like the 4080 at $600 would be awesome!

Close to rdna 2 release: it's rdna 3 that will go hard on rt. Close to rdna 3: it's rdna 4 that will go hard on rt. Close to rdna 4: it's rdna 5 that will go hard on rt. It's the neverending story. About 7900xtx with much better rt @500usd is great news. A step in the right direction.

18:37 for the love of god PLEASE NoVideo, give us more VRAM on the RTX 5090!

7900XT class performance with slightly better RT for $500 isn't good enough, especially when the 7900XT itself is already selling for close to $700. That 15% loss will hurt it big time. Assuming Nvidia launches the 5070 for $600 (because I don't think they can push the 70-class crowd any further any time soon) it will perform similarly in raster, far superior in RT + DLSS and have more than enough memory - 24Gbit on 192-bit means 18GB memory at the minimum, nothing to scoff at. Ofcourse that is _if_ Nvidia chooses, and they absolutely could choose not to, to use 24Gbit chips at all, but I don't think they would want to give AMD anymore leg room over VRAM. I'd happily pay the extra $100 in this case, because the reality is that AMD is the inferior option when Nvidia doesn't have obvious, stupid pitfalls like insufficient VRAM. That was the only reason why I went with a 6800 over a 3070Ti, missing out on the far superior RT and upscaling. $100 more for a ~$500 product that is a multi-year investment is easy to digest with these conditions.

Thanks for the updated RDNA4 leak. I'm fine with AMD going with a Polaris style release and plowing the money into R&D on RDNA5. Its better for AMD to have a smaller, midrange release with just its monolithic chips rather than try and force a chiplet design to work when it isn't ready and isn't working. And heck, for those of us who can wait, a late Q1 2025 release winds up being right next to the April taxes deadline and tax returns. Money gotten back from Uncle Sam might as well be spent on a worth while PC upgrade.

I have a 3080 that's pretty comfy at 4k. I think I'll wait to see what both teams offer, wait for the scalpers to stop scalping, THEN pick one up. I'm in no rush. Thanks for the awesome leaks, as always.

I was really hoping for something better than the 7900XTX for RDNA4, but hey a cheaper 7900XTX is still good

Any chance of a last minute 7950 xtx or a price drop on the 7900 xtx? I have been holding out with my gtx 1080 but i am reaching the limits. If i do go amd i want that big memory

In between 7900 xt and xtx for $450-550 is chill w me.

Is there any reason AMD can't get hold of (ideally 23Gbps) gddr6x for their Navi 48 cards at least when nVidia has moved to gddr7?

I have a 3080FTW3 Ultra. ( I over-paid due to human malware ) Nothing really worth it. I want a 50-70% + increase in frames before I upgrade.

Amd cdna 3 matrix core performance is on par with nvidia tensor cores. If they can put in on rdna 4 , it will bring AI upscale for new gen FSR 4 Plus they need fix ray tracing performance and add actual traversal unit in RT cores. Cause Rdna 2 and 3 ray tracing suck.

AMD has over promised and under delivered with every release of RDNA. No one should be disappointed at this point, we should all expect to be underwhelmed.

So, what are the technical reasons that GPU chiplets haven't panned out? On paper they seem like a good idea... move the larger IO drivers and SRAM to chiplets on an older cheaper node, keep the larger compute die for primarily compute. On paper it was supposed to give AMD unassailable advantages, but meanwhile out here in reality it appears to be not worth pursuing for another generation or more.

Don't make another stupid 7600xt 16gb that's not that much better over rx6600 3years ago dear AMD

I just can't see them still using GDDR6 on a 256 bit bus. The 7800xt has 19.5 gbps, and this thing will only have 2.5% more, but be 30% faster??? That sounds like it might choke, unless something along the cache structure gets a massive upgrade. Like a 64mb L3 stacked v-cache on top of the 32mb similar to how CPUs work. 192 bit with 32-36gbps GDDR7 just makes more sense, because that actually causes it to fall where it needs to (similar or more than a 7900xt), and likely be more power efficient for targeting mobile. With 3GB modules being available, 18GB I think would be perfect on 192 bit. I don't know why they would go the power hungry route.

My first guess on a launch would be the same thing stated here, which is AMD wants to launch Q4 2024, and they PROBABLY want to get them out for the holiday shopping period of late Oct - Dec, so end of October. I think Q1 2025 would be viewed as a fail for missing that shopping period. Q3 would happen if everything goes well and they have something motivating them to launch then.

Came back to check because suddenly the internet is freaking out that Navi 48 won't support GDDR7 like this wasn't the expectation when this video released.

19:35 - this essentially means that they reckon the RTX 5070 will be barely any faster than the 4070 Ti Super if it aims to compete with Navi 48. Ngreedia aren't done with their sandbagging at all it seems - I'd expect such a 5070 to match an RTX 4090 in performance with less VRAM (16gb on a 256-bit bus).

*sigh* FINE I'll stay up another 20 mins lol

If RDNA4 is between 7900xt and 7900xtx in raster, runs cool enough and draws less power than 7900xt at 500 USD then I see myself upgrading from my 1080ti. I play at 4k/60hz.

Feel like this might not really be competitive with Blackwell, even if you acknowledge they’re skipping the high end

Tom says that amd is about to lauunch a 4070 ti s for 300 bucks less, okey but that is like still in the future. Not so long ago u could find older gpus on sale, heck when rx 480 from amd was about to come out u already could get maxwell gtx 980 for 220€ and Hawaii cards for even less. Then when rx480 really launched it was 300€ and it was so for at least 6-7 months, and during that time period 1060 6GB(only 1060 at the time) was 20€ less than the Polaris card. Heck just this winter in 2023 I bought an 6900xt aib card for 500€, sure old now but still cheaper than 7800xt and as fast as 6950xt mba if u just slide the v-ram slider to the same frequency. Anyway, I would not say that it is a good argument that a new amd gpu or even a new product from any company that performs about the same as an older card but costs more than the older gen does in retail at the moment. Msrp is a lie, retail prices is the only price you should think about.

I was about to go to bed! Thanks for the info!

As someone who got an RX 6800 non XT at launch MSRP. I can only hope for RDNA4 to give me an upgrade path that doesn't feel like a bad value. Having to pay double price currently just makes any upgrade feel awful.

Really disapointed with the 128-bit bus on N44. If AMD expects people to happily pay more than $200 for 8 GB VRAM with the next generation they're crazy. N44 cards should be 192-bit bus with 12 GB VRAM as the only configuration, but I bet AMD wants to offer two models at 16 GB and 8 GB for nonsensical segmentation like they did with the 7600 XT. Crappy move.

AMD really needs to improve RT performance with RDNA4 If they want to have a chance against NVIDIA.

who could be mad with 7900xt/xtx performance at $500, i know i'll pick up an 8800 xt day one.

Rx6700 user here :) rdna3 and rdn4 its ajoke... when amd have the rdna5 will need bring 100% incrase performance to be mid range of geforce

7700xt is $409 on Amazon right now... So that lower end die better be a lot cheaper than 400$

I really wish AMD would release a Rdna3 refresh with slightly faster performance.

90% of market is 1080p/1440p. Looking at my 6950xt and 4k atm and the games I play its difficult to motivate an upgrade anytime soon. but if a N48 is in similiar price range as what i got my 6950xt for then, yes.

Honestly, I've given up caring about performance on gpu's being released, they've got to a point where performance isn't that important for most use cases and for me, the price point to performance is a lot more important, which the last 2 gens have been really poor. On the plus side, it doesn't matter much because even the last gen games have little trouble handling the latest games, unless you go nuts with some of the game settings, which add very little value overall, and this is the real problem with the gpu market today, as exciting as all the flash bang performance is on higher end cards, most developers won't target them in a meaningful game changing way, and mainly because they target what most can afford, I would love to see developers push cards like the 4090 and 7900xt hard, but that isn't going to happen with how little market share they have, hence why you can get the vast bulk of the visuals on a modest gpu, because that is what they are designed around, being as they are more affordable, both AMD and Nvidia are trying to push developers hard to take advantage of the newer cards, but honestly, the biggest selling point is higher resolution and higher frame rate, which isn't a game changer, to get a real game changer, prices have to drop, and a mid-gen console will need to be released so there's a bigger market for developers to target. I also feel that we are not going to get good deals from AMD or Nvidia, I get a sense there's some price fixing going on to control the market, and there has been noise going around that both heads of those companies are related to each other, Intel on the other hand could really shake up the market, they don't like Nvidia for one thing, they don't fear Nvidia, and they've got the resources to make it happen, and unlike AMD, I highly doubt Intel wants to play second fiddle to Nvidia, and because of this, I'm quickly shifting away from AMD towards Intel, and in the case of AMD, you had your chance, you did it right in the cpu market but you're not changing anything in the gpu market, even thought they could, at least on pricing, and unfortunately for AMD, if Intel does develop a good gpu with the next or gen after, it's going to hit AMD far harder than it will Nvidia, AMD doesn't have the market or mind share that Nvidia has, AMD doesn't have the brand loyalty from gamers, in other words, most AMD gamers won't hastate to switch to Intel if Intel delivers, the same can't be said for Nvidia gamers as many are very loyal to Nvidia, and because of that, I suspect Nvidia will squeeze AMD at the top, Intel will squeeze them at the bottom if AMD doesn't get it's act together to win us over.

Nice, i was just looking for RDNA 4 leaks. Thoughts on if i should keep the 7700xt i just got at $350 or wait for 7800xt price drops or RDNA 4? The performance is good but 12gb of vram when its sandwiched between 2 16gb cards feels a bit bad. This is coming from a 6650xt at 1440, it handles most games just fine but scrapes by wth more recent AAA releases

I play mostly older games now and I can run almost all of them on ultra or high settings and still get about 75fps on my 1650 Super. I do want to upgrade, but I've put it off this long, and now that FB monetized my page, I actually might be able to save up, so if I can start saving in a month or two, I should have a decent upgrade fund by Q4 this year or early next year. Still on AM4 so I'm thinking of the 5700x3D and then either a 7800xt (If I buy in just a couple of monhs) or I'll wait until whatever the new stuff ends up being. Obviously if something happens and I need to upgrade sooner, then I still have a lot of relatively cheaper options that would still be an upgrade for me. So, no real rush I guess.

Cool fire display in the background

Hey dude GOOD video. You hit really good points that I've mulled over a while now. I don't watch all the videos on this channel so I don't keep up with all the rumors but a bit of what you said in this one is exactly what I was thinking, especially the part that AMD could put out products at lower cost that are GOOD 2K and 1080p gaming GPUs., and HOPEFULLY really good RT performance. Actually instead of being disappointed that AMD is ONLY going to hit the top end range they are, I'm EXCITED that MAYBE AMD can hit this level AND it be a 2K gaming GPU WITH RT enabled, which has been my problem with AMD GPUs since RDNA 2 and why I have no interest in RDNA 3 AND I don't think that MCM architecture does anything for them but add cost, when they're saying it lowers cost. Yeah BS. The connections required in the manufacturing of MCM adds cost, and my understanding is the interconnect for the GPU is more expensive than the interconnect for their CPUs. It's a different type of interconnect. But my issue is you buy a 2K in raster GPU, but if you enable RT you have to drop down to 1080p. I HOPE RDNA 4 solves that. What I'm waiting to see is if Mickey Soft puts out their AI upscaling to games AND AMD GPUs run it well. This gets AMD out of the position of being behind Nvidia and Intel if this happens and users can then chose between Mickeysoft upscaling or FSR. That wouldn't be so bad.

Why does AMD always screw up competing on the high end? Also, the company had many chances to bring prices down when manufacturing was dirt cheap - i.e. with the N7 and N6 products. Why decide to do that now with 200-350mm² N4P silicon that's still bloody expensive to manufacture, such that this move hurts revenue the most?! It's almost as if the company is actively trying to make suboptimal decisions.

I think AMD are reading the market well. I dont know anyone even considering a high end card. Conditions just arent there. However around the time of RDNA 5, yeah, heaps of plans to upgrade in 2025/6

Oh nice. Here's hoping Radeon doesn't make the same mistakes 2 generations in a row. They need the good will.

Give us an option with tons of vRAM AMD. We sorely need 32gb or 48gb options in the consumer market for AI LLMs.

Thanks Tom, so will rdna5 come (relatively) quickly after? Maybe late 2025?

I'm sitting on my 3060TI hoping my gigs of vram can handle games at 1440p until the next gen.

AMDoa RDOA4

One topic I was wondering about is cost of RDNA 4 against the multi-chip but cheaper manufacturing nodes of RDNA 3. Does AMD want to stop making mid/high end RDNA 3?

I could see Nvidia asking $1,999 for a 32GB 5090... street price ~$2,300