AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-13900K: 1080p, 1440p & 4K Gaming Benchmarks

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00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
00:26 - Ad Spot
02:10 - Test System Specs
02:49 - Hogwarts Legacy
03:13 - Hogwarts Legacy [RT]
03:34 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
03:46 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered [RT]
03:59 - Fortnite [DX11]
04:11 - Fortnite [DX12] RT
04:27 - The Last of Us Part I
04:43 - Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
05:05 - Halo Infinite
05:25 - Total War: Warhammer III
05:38 - F1 22
05:59 - Cyberpunk 2077
06:22 - Cyberpunk 2077 [RT]
06:42 - The Callisto Protocol
07:02 - Hitman 3
07:17 - Far Cry 6
07:41 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
08:03 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
08:49 - Horizon Zero Dawn
09:09 - Assetto Corsa Competizione
09:34 - Resident Evil 4
10:04 - A Plague Tale: Requiem
10:33 - Watch Dogs: Legion
10:50 - The Riftbreaker
11:07 - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II
11:34 - 1080p Average
12:00 - 1440p Average
12:19 - 4K Average
12:51 - Power Consumption
15:47 - Final Thoughts
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AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-13900K: 1080p, 1440p & 4K Gaming Benchmarks
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@TimmyJoePCTech Жыл бұрын

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@PrefoX Жыл бұрын

a mil is 1000... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_mille mille/mil was always 1k

@Pasquizle Жыл бұрын

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@FatetalityXI Жыл бұрын

7800x3d absolute efficiency monster.

@aerosw1ft Жыл бұрын

@@jimdshea less heat, can get away with weaker cooler, better electricity bill

@VenatFFXIV Жыл бұрын

@@aerosw1ftnope

@samarkand1585 Жыл бұрын

@@VenatFFXIVyup

@eliadbu Жыл бұрын

@@jimdshea much easier to cool meaning lower temps and fan speed, doesn't heat up your room as much, and in some places can save quite a bit of money. the first thing is a big issue, I have 12900K and with good 360 AIO temps can reach 90 quite easily (like sometimes in overwatch when CPU usage is high for some reason). also it can save you some buck when choosing a cooler (if you buy a new one).

@WamblyHades Жыл бұрын

@@DrLoomis666yeah but you buy a 500$ dollar cpu for gaming, not youtube

@LibangF15 Жыл бұрын

I am fine with 5800X3D and waiting for 8800X3D :). But 7800X3D has impressive performance and power usage for that price.

@dawienel1142 Жыл бұрын

same boat here, my 5800x3D+RTX3080Ti combo will hopefully last me two generations.

@LibangF15 Жыл бұрын

@@dawienel1142 I have 7900XT with it, totally fine for every game today :)

@iraklimgeladze5223 Жыл бұрын

I am waiting when you're going to get 8800X3D for me to get your 5800X3D

@__-fi6xg Жыл бұрын

yeah id wait it out with that kind of cpu.

@marcinkarpiuk7797 Жыл бұрын

5800x3d here 😁 Upgraded from 3500 😉 Best deal ever 😊

@riddlex Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I built my first high end gaming rig with AMD Ryzen 7 7800 X3D processor + AMD RX 7900 XTX graphics card. Best decision, and thanks to Steve's benchmarks for enabling me to take an informed decision.

@aeromotive2 Жыл бұрын

nice rig

@Teferilol Жыл бұрын

I got same build, couldnt chose between 7900xtx and 4080, but ultimatly did find 7900xtx for 800$.

@riddlex Жыл бұрын

@@Teferilol I chose the AMD graphics card so that I could leverage the Smart Access Memory. Moreover, I don't play any Ray Traced Games, so I had no intention to buy Nvidia 4080. Lastly, it was on a slight discount compared to the 4080.

@Teferilol Жыл бұрын

@@riddlex i chose it, because it was 250 cheaper which is kinda big deal. And i play with rt enabled almost everywhere on 7900xtx in 4k, so not so big difference with 4080 after all, except cyberpunk2077, but i dont know anyone who would overpay so much for 1 game.

@GregoryShtevensh Жыл бұрын

Yeah I got the 7800X3d but went with the 4080... Amazing performance that CPU

@Maindric Жыл бұрын

The watts per frame is impressive!

@alukin2853 Жыл бұрын

More powerful and better efficiency

@walllec Жыл бұрын

for which cpu?

@Simon_Denmark Жыл бұрын

@@walllec Watch the video?

@FrederikSeerupNielsen Жыл бұрын

@@walllec 7800x3d

@lldjslim Жыл бұрын

Why doesn't Intel come out with some 3DVCACHE CPUs of their own. If now all of a sudden, games are now being optimized for extra cache, then intel doesn't need to miss out

@Sean_Lightning_OBrien Жыл бұрын

Just upgraded to a 7800X3D and B650E motherboard, so far it's been great.

@__-fi6xg Жыл бұрын

what did you have before?

@Navneetvaio Жыл бұрын

How are rhe boot times ?

@Simon_Denmark Жыл бұрын

@@NavneetvaioOn B650E Aorus master and 980 pro, not long at all. The first boot with DDR5 memory training takes time and when you tune the timings or turn expo on (first boot).

@Simon_Denmark Жыл бұрын

@@blue-lu3izIf you don’t need more cores and don’t want to play around with the CCD with 3D V-cache and the one without.

@Sean_Lightning_OBrien Жыл бұрын

Upgraded from a 5800X. Boot times are good, even a little bit quicker than my ASRock X570 Taichi, (using Asus B650E-E). Bold if you to assume I am American, clearly you are lol, in my country the 7950X3D is way way more expensive, plus I only game do dont need anything more.

@Zzzlol94 Жыл бұрын

Definitely won't regret my choice of the 7800X3D for quite some time.

@redl5705 Жыл бұрын

same, so glad i got the 7800x3d(especaly with the starfield combo since i was gonna get that game anyways) hope amd stays competetive in the GPU market for next gen, i really hope they gonna have something worth switching my 6900xt out for

@dagrimmreepa Жыл бұрын

For me it will be exactly as long as it takes for the 8800x3d to come out lol

@deivytrajan Жыл бұрын

7800x3d is mediocre mostly because of weaker multicore. If all you do is game, sure. But if you do any video editing / rendering task or other cpu heavy task i7-13700k smokes 7800x3d both in raw single and multi core.

@hansolo631 Жыл бұрын

@@deivytrajan but if you do any of that then why wouldn't you get a i9 or 7950

@MrNiC0S Жыл бұрын

Great cpu👌

@charlestwoo Жыл бұрын

Thank you for including 4K data for us unreasonable people, I genuinely mean that.

@The_Noticer. Жыл бұрын

Gotta see those flat bargraphs. Very interesting.

@alexmills1329 Жыл бұрын

Ahh yes this 4k GPU wall is in fact a wall … hmmmm

@charlestwoo Жыл бұрын

Exactly, finally we can see them.

@bradhaines3142 Жыл бұрын

i dont see how 4k is unreasonable, its been a thing for long enough it should be easier for low/mid range to do by now but games keep coming out optimized like pure garbage.

@Slane583 Жыл бұрын

@@bradhaines3142 If developers took the effort to optimize their new titles as they SHOULD be doing 1440p monitors would end up being the new 1080p resolution of choice and 4K would eventually be the new 1440p. But instead of making better and more powerful hardware you have Nvidia offering band-aid solutions with their stupid upscaling and fake-frame generation crap. Which makes developers cut corners. *cough-Remnant 2-cough*

@phero6933 Жыл бұрын

So glad that I grabbed a 7800x3d. It's been amazing for me and it's just in a class of its own in terms of power efficiency.

@samueleinzaghi8964 Жыл бұрын

Have the 7800x3d with 4070ti, i thinks it's the most efficient and coolest pc i've ever had. Literally the hottest it get 61° on the gpu when 100% in furmark or when using heavy reshade profiles. Avg temp in games is like 38 cpu and 47/52 gpu (perf mode bios on the ti)

@waldemarhahn1709 Жыл бұрын

@@samueleinzaghi8964 nice =) may i ask, what cooling solution you use ? water or Air ?

@samueleinzaghi8964 Жыл бұрын

@@waldemarhahn1709 air. Using an nh-u12a with a bunch of salvaged 120mm fans also from Noctua. Case is the Fractal North (glass).

@rustler08 Жыл бұрын

@@waldemarhahn1709 Obviously not water. I see those kinds of temps with a 6900XT on water. It would be a massive waste of money to watercool a 4070 Ti, because the expense of a loop would literally buy you a better GPU and the GPU just isn't that hot.

@theplayerofus319 Жыл бұрын

@@samueleinzaghi8964 i got the 4070 for even more efficency, clocked at 2500mhz with a power draw of 100Watts! 40 series is really amazin power draw wise

@maegnificant Жыл бұрын

Thanks for including 4k numbers. Really interested in the lows there.

@maegnificant 11 ай бұрын

@@Tpecep yep, noticed that.

@maegnificant 11 ай бұрын

They still don't get why we want to see that.

@user-pw6xv2gq8z 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for including the 4K information in your testing! Subscribed!

@boingkster Жыл бұрын

Go the 7800x3D!

@marcinkarpiuk7797 Жыл бұрын

With starfield promo 😁

@voora4290 Жыл бұрын

Thank you HU for constantly pushing with the best benchmark content out there!

@DeadlyRedRing Жыл бұрын

@spiderpig1736 The temperature doesn't matter and the total power draw favored the 13900K because it is slower

@vroomzoom4206 Жыл бұрын

@spiderpig1736 this benchmark is a meme to shut the idiots up who keep asking for cpu comparisons between 1080/1440/4k

@fxandrei Жыл бұрын

Great video. I really think this benchmarks would of been more interesting if you had some previous generations cpus, matched up with the 4090. Like i7 9700k or maybe 5800x3d ... maybe :)

@SaviorInTheSun Жыл бұрын

Always appreciate all of the hard work you guys put into your videos. I honestly think you guys are the best in the biz, and you’re my go to slice for reviews and benchmarks. Keep up the great work!

@technolucas3720 11 ай бұрын

You guys have built a really great channel......I love your B-roll and your outro music.....of course, the reviews are excellent too 😊

@packetcreeper Жыл бұрын

It's great to see competition like this. In the end it benefits all gamers.

@garyb7193 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, when Intel had total dominance, we saw higher prices and the industry stuck on 4 and 6 cores for nearly a decade.

@No-cg9kj Жыл бұрын

@@garyb7193 most people still don't need more than 4 or 6 cores with SMT lol. One of my PCs was running a 6700K until a month ago and was only upgraded because Microcenter had insane sale prices on 12th gen i5s.

@philth7587 Жыл бұрын

Love these videos, thank you. Any chance you could add 1% low variances to those charts where you compare the whole benchmark suite as rows?

@LOLHoneybadger 9 ай бұрын

As someone who runs a resolution closer to 4K than it is to 1440p, I just want to say thank you for including 4K results when y'all can in cpu reviews like this. Recently got a 4090 & now I'm stepping up my setup from a 5950x to a 7800X3D, partly thanks to all the info gathered from y'all's reviews & others on the 14900k & 7800X3D/7950X3D.

@interceptor001 11 ай бұрын

I love the power consumption charts. Would also be nice if you could maybe add idle to it to as my computer sits idle for most of the time during work or web browsing.

@rodhester2166 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. perfect timing, a friend of mine is going to build a new system and I was talking to him about these 3 cpu's .. microcenter has some good intel combos but that being said i run the 7800x3d

@marcinkarpiuk7797 Жыл бұрын

And u get starfield with it 😁

@Scooppi Жыл бұрын

Thank you. These are the best graphs for CPU gaming benchmarks on youtube!

@BuzzKiller23 Жыл бұрын

It's crazy how efficient the 7800X3D is. Thanks Steve!

@ruipedroleite 11 ай бұрын

This CPU is insane. I have a 7800X3D with a -30 CO (undervolt) all cores cooled by a Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 (rev. 7). The son of a b*tch while running Aida64 stress test reaches 66º, while consuming 60w (measured using Aida64 tool, not 100% accurate but couldn't be that far from the real thing) and being 100% stable. It's f*cking ridiculous. Have it since launch, couldn't be more happy.

@mysurnameisbacon Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comparison! And the mountains of data. I have both these processors in separate and very different systems, (i9 in oct 22 because i have spending issues, just finished AMD build this month) 13900k/7200 RAM/Suprim X 4090 in a Corsair 5000T (UWQHD) and a 7800X3D/6000 RAM/4090 FE in a Dan C4-SFX (4K). I9 is on a AIO and R7 is Air Cooled. R7 build also cost me half the price of i9. When you consider the above, I found a roughly max 6% difference between these two systems when doing 3DMark tests at 1440p & 4K, even with the i9 at stock uncapped settings. The efficiency of the AMD, and it's gaming capability is really a game changer (sorry), even more so when you consider the i9 is in a 75L case, and the R7 is in a 14.7L case (that's 80.4% smaller size). If you aren't doing anything CPU intensive daily but are gaming, get the 7800x3d. Save yourself lots of watts. (Sorry again).

@Keyboard_Only Жыл бұрын

@Hardwareunboxed - Thank you for the comprehensive video. Is there any way to find out the exact settings used to generate the results in the Cyberpunk 2077 High Quality segment of the video?

@peanutnutter1 Жыл бұрын

A comparative with the 7700x would also show interesting info.

@brutlern Жыл бұрын

Will you ever do a benchmark with a 4090 (and 4k + all the bells and whistles of course) and a whole bunch of cpu's, to see how low can one go until the cpu actually starts to slowing the gpu down? In the above case we can see that at 4K the cpu doesn't matter but I'm curious what's the cheapest cpu one could use and still get the maximum out of the gpu.

@pianobench6319 Жыл бұрын

Did you turn off the MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WiFI? 2:25 Would that cause the extra total board power consumption to be that high? Apples to apples comparison matter of course. The Gigabyte X670E Aorus does not feature built-in WiFi.

@Vexrak Жыл бұрын

What about for gaming+ streaming to Twitch/KZfaq on the same PC? I'm trying to figure out if intels little E cores actually have any value for what i do

@Schroinx Жыл бұрын

Could be interesting to see how they fare on the XTX as well.

@BulletPr00fGAm3r Жыл бұрын

Interesting results, the power efficiency really surprised me! Great job guys!

@svenblubber5448 Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see an idle/browsing power consumption comparison along the game power consumption comparison

@Hardwareunboxed Жыл бұрын

Testing on our boards (with the latest BIOS) the 7800X3D system idles at 86 watts and the 13900K system at 89 watts.

@metabang03 10 ай бұрын

Wow the watt readings with 4090 and 7800x3d is the sa.e as my i7 7700k with 3070. Crazy af

@tj_2701 11 ай бұрын

With the newest Bios update for AMD allowing for faster memory, I would be interested in a comparison of 6000MT versus the new stable top men speeds for both X3D and non-3D

@Anfros. 11 ай бұрын

What I'm really missing from this comparison is test of simulation heavy games, like total war turn times, factorio megabases or paradox titles like stellaris or CK3. I know there aren't really any canned benchmarks you can use for that type of game, but there are ways to test it.

@milostokar4007 Жыл бұрын

love your benchmarks,but will you retest the ryzen procesors with new bios'es when they suport much faster Ram?

@Odeezee Жыл бұрын

hey HWU, this was a really great video and i appreciate the effort that you guys put into your benchmarks, they help us make very informed decisions about tech purchases. there is something i am interested in, since there is the new AGESA bios that allows for an increase in memory overclocking and the ability to make some higher clocks more stable. i was wondering if you guys would be interested in trying 6400 or if you are lucky 6600 in 1:1:1 and see if there is any real tangible difference in performance for the X, non-X and X3D chips. keep up the great work. O7

@TheHighborn Жыл бұрын

thank you for the video :) going in blind, i don't know, what cpu is gonna come ahead, but i'm very happy with my 3d. In the end, i chose amd, for the same reason i chose my 1700x ~6(ish? ) years ago. Platform longevity. With that said, being fully on water, with a monoblock, it means even more for me. May the best cpu win.

@joshstucki4349 Жыл бұрын

Faster (even if not by not), cheaper, and uses less power. Seems like a winner to me.

@llamaloka7043 8 ай бұрын

how are u getting this numbers in far cry 6 , i have the same exact system and im no getting those numers at 1080p ultra are you using the Game benchmark to meassure this ? casue in there im getting avg of 205 fps and lows of 143 , max fps of 269

@Vasharan 11 ай бұрын

How's the impact of streaming? If you're gaming, compositing overlays, maybe compositing the webcam feed from a couple gaming buddies, and, just to max things out, running a 3D avatar in Vroid with face and motion tracking, does the 7800X3D still hold up, or is that a job for a 7950X3D? Come to think of it, would the 7800X3D still be sufficient for a heavy streamer load, or does the 7900 edge ahead in that scenario?

@rustler08 Жыл бұрын

It's funny because the mean and median don't do a great job of reflecting the difference, but then you look at certain games and it's a pretty big difference. Most significant is the amount of power used, though. You're usually using 100W+ more in a 13900k for very similar performance.

@RobertleeEtn Жыл бұрын

man the 7800X3D is fucking nuts

@MickenCZProfi Жыл бұрын

@@thenutsonyourchin Yeah and this testing didn't even include Microsoft Flight Simulator, that cpu is nuts in that game, look it up.

@re-gaming3913 Жыл бұрын

Is my setup with a 7900 xt and a 5600g cpu too gpu-heavy for a 1440p ultrawide monitor? I play all kinds of games, ow, borderlands, dying light, cod, and so on. Should i upgrade?

@cryptik_official 9 ай бұрын

I have a question that is IMO very important for your comments @6:00. Did you have frame generation enabled? Did you utilize DLSS 3.5?

@JagsP95 8 ай бұрын

They do all tests natively

@Jacketz123 Жыл бұрын

I’ve not long upgraded to the 5800X3D from a 1600X on a B350 motherboard, insane platform longevity and crazy upgrade. The difference in 1% lows is wild. If I was to be building a brand new PC from the ground up however, the 7800X3D would be a clear choice. It offers such good gaming performance, efficiency and at a price that’s decent vs the competition.

@123TheCloop Жыл бұрын

dont bother with a 7800x3D if you already have a 5800x3D, look for 13900k vs 5800x3D benchmarks (think techpowerup had one) with like 50 games tested and it was only 5% slower overall, let that 5800x3D mature a little or dabble in some curve optimizer settings (if you can manage a -20 or higher offset) a 5800x3D wipes the floor with a 13900k at far less heat/power

@chriswright8074 Жыл бұрын

@@123TheCloopnot true

@dirtyph0nics Жыл бұрын

@@123TheCloopwell too optimistic i think but it can match 900k at some point coz architecture of zen is really good for gaming coz interlinked with huge cache with only 8 cores while intel has cache distributions like zen1 with 2 chiplet type.

@Jacketz123 Жыл бұрын

@@123TheCloop oh no I wouldn’t, I just mean if I was in a position to build a brand new system from scratch, that’s the CPU I would choose. Definitely a monster.

@bauerpaul Жыл бұрын

@@123TheCloop he said "If I was to be building a brand new PC from the ground up"

@oscarvanderschaaf8975 11 ай бұрын

Just bought myself a 7800X3D with 4070Ti, what a beast!

@clausendigitaldotcom 10 ай бұрын

awesome vid - good data. As you bring the ACC benchmark that is happy for the v cahce, i would LOVE to see it compared to an iRacing replay. as its really not optimized- and raw performance should be exposed clearly. but really would love to see it compared to the ACC. :)

@concinnus Жыл бұрын

Is TLOUp1 still doing CPU decompression of the PS5 format textures? That could easily explain the utilization. No idea about SotTR though.

@Arendel309 Жыл бұрын

Awsome work there!!! Could you do video about MSI uplift for 3d v-cache? Im intrested how much of it is true, and if it is applicable to all of there boards.

@georginenov6779 Жыл бұрын

I suppose the video was already in the making during the new update on AMD CPUs thus using the "slow" 6000 Mhz memory. I was curious to see how much better it now works with 7000+ memory.

@ilyadonskikh1868 Жыл бұрын

The 6400mhz+ memory does not run at 1:1 UCLK:FCLK Infinity Fabric due to memory controller limitation - for gaming performance to be matched to cl30 6000, one would need approximately a cl36 8600 running at 2:1, which is an insane ask and only double digits of all DDR5 RAM sticks out there could do so stably.

@jannegrey593 Жыл бұрын

It doesn't. Some CPU's might be able to achieve stable 6400. But otherwise if you go for higher memory speeds, you get 1:2 ratio. Below 7800 MT/s this means less or same performance at best. And it's hard to make 7600, much less 7800 and 8000 stable.

@100500daniel Жыл бұрын

I wish you could run the same test using the 7900XTX @ 1080P / 1440P (4K testing is a waste of time bc its gpu bound). It'd be interesting to see if SAM really works better than resizable bar,and,this card tends to beat the 4090 in 1080p in some scenarios due to lower driver overhead.

@zalankhan5743 Жыл бұрын

Yeah 4k is a waste of time for Cpu testing. But if they dont Test it, Many people get angry at them and say that with these Specs nobody would play at 1080p.

@RichardJNeo Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@__-fi6xg Жыл бұрын

@@zalankhan5743 yes, i plan to get a 4k tv, i would be furious without 4k testing,

@SidneyCritic Жыл бұрын

Also remember that AMD has an update that now gets 7200 memory to work on Ryzen.

@Summanis Жыл бұрын

SAM is rebar, just rebranded. They've done videos on that in the past IIRC. Every test was within a percent or so.

@Paralaci187 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the 4K comparison, I only game in 4K and these tests will help me a lot making upgrades in future if needed. Continue 4K in your tests please ❤

@thespicyswede9302 11 ай бұрын

I don't understand the graphs that are used for showing the % averages at each resolution. Just not sure what I'm looking at and am confused about what's what, how the % average difference is determined, etc. Anybody mind sharing some insight?

@SAFFY7411 Жыл бұрын

Great work Steve. As a 4K user it is always interesting to see the differences at this resolution of the different hardware. I think a 7950X3D vs 13900K comparison would be great, comparing productivity performance as well as gaming.

@KommonCents_ 11 ай бұрын

7800x3d is a Monster. I went from 5800x3d to a water cooled 13900k and just built my son a 7800x3d water cooled (all with 4090's) and im blown away by the 7800x3d. I never would have went with intel if i knew how efficient it was going to be and still be a monster in games. (Coming from a 5800x3d i should have guessed, though, haha)

@kataloganz Жыл бұрын

I needed this, thank you!!

@nathanieldarnell8400 11 ай бұрын

I need advice on what cpu to pair with a 7900xtx. Need something that's good at both gaming and medium productivity.

@Silent1137X Жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work!🏅🏅🏅

@mariuslelenas94 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for nice and informative video 😃 PS: also maybe someone knows or have benches where 7800x3D is compared with i7/i9 on idle / web-browsing scenarios for total system power consumption. I think there are a lot of gamers who games 3-4h a day and the rest 8-10h hours is just idling or web-browsing.

@Hardwareunboxed Жыл бұрын

Testing on our boards (with the latest BIOS) the 7800X3D system idles at 86 watts and the 13900K system at 89 watts.

@mariuslelenas94 Жыл бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed Thank you for sharing this info.

@ItzTheDay 11 ай бұрын

Love your benchmark videos and I'm very happy with my 7800X3D purchase. Would be nice to see some 5120x1440 benchmarks added as well.

@Zephyion 8 ай бұрын

Were these benchmarks done on Windows 10 or Windows 11?

@kimjongpoontv69 Жыл бұрын

I have the privilege of owning both, 7800X3D 1% lows are noticeably better consistently, but I love the productivity benefits of the 13900k

@christophersmith8028 11 ай бұрын

On the verge of finally….FINALLY upgrading my pc with a new build and am torn between 7800x3d and 13700 or 900. Money isn’t an issue, and I generally just do gaming/sim racing. I’m really looking for general system stability and reliability…all that said, would you suggest sticking with intel or going for the amd route. Thanks and cheers!

@kimjongpoontv69 11 ай бұрын

if you are sim racing and just gaming, then just go with the 7800X3D, easier to cool, sips a lot less power, and will perform considerably better in Sim, as well as Unity games.@@christophersmith8028

@jonboy602 11 ай бұрын

@@christophersmith8028 Did you watch the video at 9:10? If you prefer lower avg frame rates, and bigger dips in framerates, stick with intel.

@venusprinzj8094 10 ай бұрын

@@jonboy602 Yeah if you got a 4090 and playing on lowest settings

@BeatmasterAC Жыл бұрын

7800X3D + UV @ -15 per core, 110W PPT and 85C temp throttle limit, makes it even more efficient, while keeping the same performance.

@PowellCat745 Жыл бұрын

7800X3D’s default PPT is around 95W.

@BeatmasterAC Жыл бұрын

@@PowellCat745 no that's the actual power Limit. The PPT is 160W

@The_Noticer. Жыл бұрын

You kind of have to. I'm struggling a bit on air (NH-U12S) to keep the 5800X3D below 80C. Definitely not possible without an UV.

@BeatmasterAC Жыл бұрын

@@The_Noticer. I am using a BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4. It's pretty good, even with non UVed CPU

@N0N0111 Жыл бұрын

Running at -30 per core is more like it when you have a premium board with good Load Line Calibration settings.

@lukep7885 11 ай бұрын

Spent a little time trying to decide on if I should upgrade my x299 platform to a 5800x3d or a complete upgrade to am5. Newegg had a couple sales that pushed me over the edge to the newer stuff. This is especially for high fps comp gaming or star citizen. Hope it works out.

@TMERUNNR 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Steve! Appreciate you and your Awesome Team!💯

@paranikumarlpk Жыл бұрын

7700x would be a nice edition to include!!

@pmx360 Жыл бұрын

Finally a reputable and complete comparision for 4k, thanks guys

@Derpynewb Жыл бұрын

Heres a hint. Cpus do not care about resolution much. If it can hit 144fps at 720p, it can get close to it at 4k assuming the gpu isn't a bottleneck. If you want to test for yourself. Run some tests on your own games at sub 1080p. See how lowering rhe resolution doesn't change the fps if you don't have a gpu bottleneck.

@marcasswellbmd6922 Жыл бұрын

Love the Video just wish you would have thrown in a Non 3D Part like the 7950X or 7700X in.. I am just curious if you really need the 3D part for 4K gaming? I was thinking about going cheap just to get on that platform, like a 7700 in a decent X670 Board it doesn't have to be an E Board..

@MurrayDagostino Жыл бұрын

Perfect testing today, kudos !

@nathanddrews Жыл бұрын

Well done, AMD! Almost a year (September) with my 7700X and i couldn't be happier!

@MattHunterx Жыл бұрын

In praise of 4K testing : it may just show that these CPUs offer no difference in performance but this is important knowledge. Using a 4090 there are going to be plenty of people who target 4K. For us the CPU decision is either 1) what is the cheapest CPU that still supports good 4K gaming ? Or 2) if someone isn’t budget constrained the question then is , is there any performance trade off between productivity and gaming with a CPU at “any price” ? Your review really shows the Intel chip is great for the non budget constrained gamer who wants a mixed use system that can game at 4K and do productivity work. I would love to see a video on “what is the cheapest 4K gaming system you can buy”. Maybe also look how well an older system like AM4 performs versus newer low end CPUs. The conclusion is likely to be that like perhaps far older CPUs are still great for 4K gaming. There’s a lot of attention these days on 1 per cent lows - does that even show up when running a 4090 against a R3600 and a 7800X3D? How much? You could have a running spot on what is the cheapest way to build a 4K rig.

@johndelabretonne2373 Жыл бұрын

Thanks you. I really liked seeing some numbers for an X3D part at 1440p and 4k; not many reviewers doing this even though that is obviously how these parts are most likely to be used. I would have liked to see this comparison include the 5800X3D...

@SabinTV-NP Жыл бұрын

GPU Limited using a 4090 💀 These CPUs are in a class of their own

@Bl4ckSt0rm007 Жыл бұрын

I would be very interested to see how the 13900k would perform in Watts/FPS if you undervolted it, and what the performance difference would be if you ran it under a powerlimit similar to the TDP of the 7800X3D. I did watch a video, where the 13900k managed to achieve somewhat similar gaming(!) performance under a powerlimit to what you could expect without it.

@asdf_asdf948 Жыл бұрын

You can undervolt the X3D too.

@michaelbuto305 Жыл бұрын

Intel architecture are way way below AMD for now. Its doesnt matter how good 13900k is, AMD can just try little bit and make a better things. Man the intel lose to architecture it just a losing battle, even if they got helped by Microsoft Windows P E cores system.

@innocentiuslacrim2290 11 ай бұрын

@@michaelbuto305nah. Just OC both and RAM and see where the chips land then 😁

@sitordan Жыл бұрын

Another great video by the one and only "Hardware on Box".

@Focaz 11 ай бұрын

I am still having trouble finding this info out but...does someone know if the SOC voltage and SOC Current should always be the same, meaning if the pc is either idle or under workload, they remain the same?

@getaway260 11 ай бұрын

I saw somebody test the idle on both amd anf intel. Amd uses 50 watts even on idle or opening a web page, where intel uses 20-30 on the i9 doing the same exact thing. Amd contradicts its "efficiency" because it will always use 50 watts until you turn off the pc. Intel may use more in gaming and rendering but has properly tuned efficiency when on idle or browsing the web it may go down to as low as 20 watts. Either way both end up using the same power at the end of the month!

@jeanmartin7166 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for 4k results. Always good to have at least one solid evidence once in a while (considering no one besides you is willing to do this painful job) PS: Genuine ACC exclusive players will appreciate very much 👍

@Deathscythe91 Жыл бұрын

i love my 7800x3d , bought it on sale for 400 euro this cpu is just perfect for itx builds efficient , powerful and easy to cool i have fractal design ridge build xD

@jongamez5163 11 ай бұрын

Hi @Hardwareunboxed and thank you for this test and very interesting data! Ps: it would be great to also have some 4K benchmarks for ZEN, ZEN 2, ZEN 3 CPUs, and Intel Core i9 9900K to 13900K to know how much of a bottleneck they can be with a 4090 even at 4K! Knowing that Next-Gen GPUs are only going to be more and more powerful it would be great to know if a CPU or a whole System upgrade is necessary even for 4K Gaming ! 🙏

@TJ-vh2ps Жыл бұрын

What was the performance of the first few runs of rainbow six siege with the 7800 like? That sounds like fitting a significant part of the game might fit in the L4 cache! I used to dream of that when all the caches combined were < 1MB.

@bobert866 Жыл бұрын

I upgraded to a 7800x3d with ddr5 6000 from an I9 9900k with ddr4 3600 and the difference felt like a gpu upgrade. All while using a lot less power. Love that little cpu. Edit: this is with the same gpu, a stock 3080ti.

@sorryfoo Жыл бұрын

I think this isn't mentioned enough, benchmark videos always show native resolution tests. I saw massive increase in fps with my 3080 when going from AM4 to AM5 because I play with DLSS at 1440p.

@bobert866 Жыл бұрын

Also, my resolution is 1440p with a frame rate cap of 163hz due to 165hz monitor.

@LynnyrdRavage 10 ай бұрын

Could you tell me what components you used to build the computer? It's my first time and I would like to ensure that I can play Cyberpunk 2077 smoothly.

@kevinturner7509 9 ай бұрын

Heh, uncanny. You upgraded from the exact same CPU+Mem that I currently have to the CPU+Mem that I'm currently considering. With the impressive future prospects (8800x3d?) of the AM5 socket, I'm sold on this now.

@YourLocalRaccoon 11 ай бұрын

User Benchmark says the 13900k (and actually they're really pushing the 13600k) is leagues better than the 7800x3d for everything including gaming. Anybody remember that 2kliksphillip video on why Muser Benshark is a bad place to go for review and comparisons? Pepperidge farm remembers.

@gaunterodimm3606 Жыл бұрын

Steve, great charting and testing standards discourse on the power usage.

@elibolton6235 11 ай бұрын

If I’m looking to have something for next gpu gen, is getting a 7900x3d or 7950x3d overkill?

@getaway260 11 ай бұрын

am5 mobos are cheaply built thats why they will always have frying problems. Wait for am6 or intel 15th gen.

@Mirrow24 Жыл бұрын

Will you try 8000 Mhz RAM with the 7800X3D ? And compare it to 13900k with the same RAM speed

@96kylar Жыл бұрын

I bet it will be slower.

@BlueSkyYGO Жыл бұрын

Uncore freq ruins the gain from high freq RAM, if they can maintain Uncore frequency, them the higher RAM freq. = higher performance

@Skullspliter Жыл бұрын

@@blue-lu3iz The new 1:1 got pushed up too though, to 6400 now. Originally it was 5200, then 6000. So constant improvements.

@marcinkarpiuk7797 Жыл бұрын

x3d isnt getting much from ram speeds - u can just go on cheap 6000 cl32

@BlueSkyYGO Жыл бұрын

@@marcinkarpiuk7797 or 5600 CL28

@jonathanmatthews5245 Жыл бұрын

We want to see the 4k benchmarks in order to know the minimum level of CPU you need with a 4090, which mostly only makes sense to own if you play at 4k. It's expensive and saving a few bucks here and there is desirable 😅. Thanks Steve.

@danavidal8774 Жыл бұрын

I don't see your point, if the CPU get X fps at 1080 doesn't get the same amount at 4k if the GPU can provide enough frames? So checking GPU performance at 4k and CPU perfomance at 1080p should be enough to see where is the GPU bottleneck and buy a CPU closer to that performance

@jonathanmatthews5245 Жыл бұрын

@danavidal8774 I don't understand what you are saying. Maybe double-check your grammar? I'm interested in what's the cheapest, most power efficient CPU I can use and still get the max performance with a 4090 at 4k. For example, it seems like using a 13700k for me is fine because using a higher-end CPU is pointless.

@danavidal8774 Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanmatthews5245 I would say the 13700k is high end too and overkill A CPU able to get 120fps or more at 1080p is able to get 120fps at 4k too so you only need a GPU that is able to get 120 fps at 4K, increasing the resolution does not increase the workload for the CPU

@Shini1984 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the extra time to test in 4k. Personally, I find it very useful, since for me testing CPU performance in isolation is pretty pointless - if I only saw CPU tests in 1080p low, I'd expect to get similar performance improvements when switching CPU while playing in 4k, which is not the case.

@lootyy Жыл бұрын

Is the last of us number for the intel system really correct ? Watching some gameplay of 13900k&4090 with OSD shows the cpu drawing about 110-120w.. the 200 difference of yours really seems egregious. I mean a 200w difference would basically have it hitting the 253 ppt in a gaming workload ? That just doesn't seem right at all.

@codemonkeyalpha9057 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate why you are using a 4090 to test the CPU performance, but would be good to also do maybe one test where you step down the GPU grades and show the point where the CPU becomes irrelevant. I suspect for most gamers on mid-low range GPUs both of these processors would be massively overkill. It would be a lot of work I guess but a matrix of recommended minimum CPU GPU would be kind of cool.

@Jimmys_TheBestCop Жыл бұрын

The cpu is already irrelevant in all of these tests. If anyone actually bought a 4090 they will be in 4k and you could use a 5 year intel cpu and get same frame rate. Just like if you can only afford a 3060 or 3070 every game will be gpu limited so the cpu don’t matter.

@codemonkeyalpha9057 Жыл бұрын

@@Jimmys_TheBestCop Yes this is my gut feeling too. I suspect that 99% of the people buying the 7800X3D will end up GPU limited whatever they are playing. I guess that was my point for this video, it could have done with one of those 'Who should buy either of these products for gaming?' sections, to which the answer would be 'only morons' running at 1080p with a 4090 on non competitive games (which are rarely CPU limited anyway and players turn the settings down for lower latency anyway). The 7800X3D feels like a bit of a non-product, I don't get it's segmentation, at least the 13900K has other use cases.

@Jimmys_TheBestCop Жыл бұрын

It an "enthusiast" CPU. The only problem is no enthusiast can afford current gen GPUs. There are almost no current gen gpus on Steam. Whoever is buying current gen gpus are either not gaming on steam, which seems nearly impossible, or are using it for production and or AI. Watch Tech Yes City video where he does the first ddr4 8 core chip i7 5960x vs the last ddr4 8 core chip the Ryzen 5800x3d. Using a 4090 at 4k they were exactly the same. Even at 1080p the nearly 10 year old chip finished within 20% fps of the 5800x3d in many games. You could probably purchase any of the last 3 gen CPUs and you will still be limited by whatever GPU you can either find or afford.

@codemonkeyalpha9057 Жыл бұрын

@@Jimmys_TheBestCop The 4090 on steam is 0.56% that is about 1 out of every 200 gamers, and is a similar stat to the 3090s. Its a small percent, but that is still a lot of cards in real terms. I do know some people in 3D design who all bought one, so that is another use case for them I guess. I still think it is besides the point whether you are gaming, doing 3D Rendering, doing AI or other CUDA tasks, anyone with a 4090 would be making a mistake buying the 7800X3D. It's either overkill for gaming, or undercooked for productivity. I really can't find a compelling case for it.

@willo1345 Жыл бұрын

@codemonkeyalpha9057 It's cheaper, more power efficient, and has Vcache that can dramatically increase performance on certain games. Plus it's not bad for productivity either, just not the best. It has more than enough cores to power through tasks at it's price bracket. I honestly don't know how you can say it's a non product when your logic also makes the 13900k a non product as it's not needed in 4k with a 4090. Unless your a rapid fan of only intel, that is.

@48some Жыл бұрын

i got the R7 7800X3D went from i7 8700k world of difference and my gaming experience is beyond fun !

@rezaramadea7574 Жыл бұрын

GPU?

@DavidFregoli Жыл бұрын

@@rezaramadea7574 wtf do you care lmao

@rezaramadea7574 Жыл бұрын

@@DavidFregoli It's okay, just making casual conversation :)

@mikfhan Жыл бұрын

Yup, walking around a crowded town in MMOs and my FPS remains 60 at ALL times, never drops below. Now just gotta wait for GPU pricing to reach sane price levels :P

@Squashed8Ball Жыл бұрын

@@mikfhanI gave up waiting after the COVID/crypto mining boom; I don’t think they’ll ever drop to reasonable levels again so after twenty years of Nvidia I’ve switched to AMD.

@daviddpass Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve, assuming AMD refresh the 7950x3d, and made it perform perfectly, would you pay for this chip for gaming or save $ going to 7800x3d?

@granthampson5917 Жыл бұрын

Are you able to get all 4 nvme drives working on GB Aorus Master x670-E??? The lowest slot does not read on mine even though it supposed to be supplied by a separate chip. Please can you investigate #HWUB @Steve

@DavidFregoli Жыл бұрын

to be fair I'd still buy fast ram on AM5 cause 1) it's not that much more expensive, especially if you're spending this kind of money on cpu 2) you're likely to be able to take advantage of it with future AM5 cpus 3) new Agesa shows that current motherboards can run them faster, it's just down to the IMC which should get better with Ryzen 5 hopefully

@Hardwareunboxed Жыл бұрын

Just tune the memory, it's mostly all the same stuff when buying high-quality memory.

@junlau780 Жыл бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed any tips to start tuning the memory?

@DavidFregoli Жыл бұрын

@@junlau780 look up buildzoid optimized timings

@Hugh_I Жыл бұрын

If you're gonna spend extra on memory, you probably gain more for gaming by buying a 6000 kit that can hit very low latencies (manually tune it for more gains), rather than faster clocking memory.

@DavidFregoli Жыл бұрын

@@blue-lu3iz I'm not talking about "expensive memory", I'm talking about spending 10 or 20 dollars more on ram that can do up to 8000 mhz as opposed to one that can barely do 6000, it's not that hard to understand, it's not about future ram being faster, it's about current memory already being very fast (and cheap) but the IMC can't keep up

@Ben-if9ic Жыл бұрын

I think an optimized 13900k with undervolt can be more efficient than stock, it would be interesting to do benchmarks like this. But overall i9 are not for gamer when you know it has 24 core.

@asdf_asdf948 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that you can't benchmark an undervolt because not all chips can achieve the same undervolt. Same reason they don't undervolt the x3d, which gains a lot of thermal headroom at -30mv all core. Regardless the intel chip uses a lot more power and you need more expensive ram.

@pixels_per_inch Жыл бұрын

Yep, Intel has lots of headroom for whatever reason, you can under-volt the heck out of the 13 Gen without losing performance. Though on AMD side, even a slight under-volt will cause a huge performance loss.

@asdf_asdf948 Жыл бұрын

@@pixels_per_inch that's just not true lol.

@Ben-if9ic Жыл бұрын

@@asdf_asdf948 It's true and the overclock potential is bad without using the pbo.

@pixels_per_inch Жыл бұрын

@@asdf_asdf948 Alright I got to admit my data is pretty outdated, I had a Ryzen 3600 in my other system and this is what I've discovered. Did AMD change the algorithm for PBO?

@moustafa_1994 Жыл бұрын

Does power consumption improve dramatically if e-cores are disabled?

@Teh-Penguin 11 ай бұрын

I like that you include higher resolution CPU tests. It might not show you a big difference between the CPUs, but what it does show you is whether or not you need a CPU upgrade at higher resolutions yet.

@K11... Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see MSFS in these benchmaks as it is highly CPU limited and it actually matter what cpu you choose.

@TheCooperman666 Жыл бұрын

People who are not jihadis' still play that?

@oldtimergaming9514 Жыл бұрын

@@TheCooperman666 LMAO! 😂

@getaway260 11 ай бұрын

i9 needs to have 10+ P cores. Being called i9 but having same cores as i7 is dumb. On the contrary the i7 looks the best for value per dollar. $150 cheaper for 11 less fps.