Intel should ship some noise canceling headphones with their CPU coolers.

Intel's default cooler is pathetic they might as well ship with no cooler at all..............oh wait they already don't.

got to be honest, shocked the aluminium intel cooler didnt just meltdown and drop clocks 150mhz lower still.

"pathetic aluminum cooler" feels good when i heard that

Well the crappy cooler is a brand identity for intel now. Without overpricing and crappy in box cooler, it won't be intel

Now 9900k stock cooler vs Wraith Prism *OH WAIT...* Edit: I triggered some Intel fans. Sorry but sometimes "It just doesn't work."

you get Intel to fix this quickly when you start benchmarking Intel CPUs with their own coolers.

I remember back in the days when a cooler of the same design as the Wraith Prism would go for like $60. Without any fan.

The only half decent Intel cooler was shipped with the i7 980x back in the day. You should try to find one and test it for the sake of it :P

People's hyperbolic assertions about the whole temperature debate has gotten out of hand. Experts know that the human eye can't even taste more than 24 degrees.

I love Steve's sarcastic jokes here and there in video, keep it up!

The Intel coolers did really well. The only one I ever bought didn’t work at all. Big improvement.

Thanks, Steve, this is exactly the kind of video I've been waiting for.

You can easily sell wraith prism RGB for as high as 40USD.

Sooo.. an AM4 motherboard that doesn't support AMD AM4 coolers surely won't cause any confusion for buyers will it? No.

AMD the underdog, who is such a smaller company compared to Intel gives us decent coolers. Intel's coolers look embarrassing compared to the AMD coolers.

If you want to experience meltdown on AMD CPU, just use R9 3900X with Intel box cooler. If you want to experience it on Intel, just don't install any security patches and whole line is Meltdown compatible. :-D

Intel hasn't given us a decent box cooler since the Pentium D required it. Honestly, they should just start shipping their higher SKUs with a voucher for a free Hyper 212 Evo.

This is officially my favorite tech channel. It's just the best. I literally don't care what each video is about because I know I'm either going to learn something, laugh at a joke/the kind of humor I enjoy or see a lot of data in one place that will save me a ton of time either searching out each piece individually or doing the tests myself. Most importantly I trust you guys. I feel like honesty and accuracy is a top priority with this channel and it's what I value most of all. Bias data costs me money almost daily so I can't have it. Thank you HUB. You are appreciated. I feel like it's only right I join the Patreon and buy a hoodie this week to show that appreciation.

i've used tower coolers for years. The cooler that came with my 2700x worked so well i never bothered to switch it.

Nice video. Would be nice to compare AMD Wraith Prism to Noctua NH-D15 and to a well known AIO, on a Ryzen 9 3900X. People should know the performance difference between stock cooler and upgrades they can get.

Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe even my old Core 2 Duo came with a copper core cooler. That was part of my chilhood's pc, served me well from 2007-2010 Incidentally, young me killed it by opening the case and static touched the motherboard, only to realize that it wont boot after closing it.

Will the temperature with the Wraith Spire and Wraith Prism be any different on the Ryzen 7 2700? Will it be any hotter than the 4770K under load with the Hyper 212 Evo? Arctic MX-4 being the thermal compound as always.

Steve, you'd be surprise but I bought a locked i9 9900 (thought it was better value for money than 9700K) and it also came with the pathetic standard Intel Stock Cooler... lol

Bless this Asrock board for making this possible.

Was it just me or did that Mobo look old and dusty as soon as the fan was put in?

Hey Steve was the wraith prism normalised at 2100rpm? Temps looked great but 46dba seems very loud and doesnt 'low mode' spin the fan at around 2700rpm?

How did you do sound testing? And any more reasoning behind the seemingly arbitrarily selected RPM values for the AMD coolers?

Keep making awesome video guys! Built my dream pc with the help of your videos. Thank you!

I think it's ridiculous to ship an R5 3600 with a Stealth cooler, they really should've kept the old copper Spire.

the same day i bough my r5 3600 i got a cheap arctic freezer 34 duo for $30, what do you think about that cooler? i didn't find many reviews but the ones i found put the cooler over the cooler master 212 evo and at the same performance of the be quiet dark rock slim.

Thanks. I needed a refresher in the difference in the wraith spires. Building something out of leftovers and take offs.

@5:40 - "...our testing has proven that RGB CPU coolers work better than even copper non-RGB coolers..." - HU-Steve, 2019

How about testing the Noctua line of coolers. So people can see what a real line up of air coolers can do!

I noticed a L - H switch on my wraith prizm RGB. Question is why is it set on L from the factory and is there any benefit to having it on H assuming it is a high low switch?

i have a 3700x had the cooler left over also ordered a 3600 and was just looking for some info today about the wraith prism temps on a 3600, then this pops up an hour later are you google?

AMD does especially well comparing against no included cooler XD

I suspect Intel gets away with it because people just expect to have to buy a real cooler, while the included one is just to check if the system works. For AMD people expect the box cooler to actually be enough, even with a light overclock. (unless you buy a crappy Intel chip anyway, then the box coolers are actually not a major hindrance)

My biggest gripe with the Intel coolers are when the plastic mounting pegs randomly pop out of the motherboard. Usually it's only on one corner, so you can't tell there's a problem until it starts throttling or shutting down. I've had the mounting lugs break off of some older AMD socket AM2/AM3 motherboards too, but at least those are usually easy to spot. The last one that broke on me had left the CPU cooler laying on the video card. Luckily I just happened to look inside before turning the system on that day.

It's my first time in your channel and when I saw that beast behind you I knew that I'm going to fall in love with your videos men! Amazing video bro keep going like this!

I don't have even PC but watching you is satisfying

Im not first, But im not last, But, when i see a stock cooler I click fast

So,,,,can you use a wraith cooler on an intel chipset? reason I ask is because im building a new rig with a 5600x but I still have the stock intel box cooler on my old rig...but the 5600x comes with a cooler that I am not going to use so I wanted to know if I can use it on my old g1 sniper 5 mobo with my 4770K.

Was there no way to override the Intel cooler's max speed? A Corsair Commander or similar, perhaps?

Yeah i was extremely confused when I opened a I7-4770/I7-6700 and saw that box cooler was without the copper core. Testing the I7-6700/7700 was also frustrating when i noticed it can still easily over heat on some Coolers that claimed 100,125&135wtdp cooling. Once i saw that i knew for sure Intel was lying about the 95Wtdp. I knew they would go down hill from that day. Also the fact that I7-2600 made more sense then moving minor performance gains with gen 3 & 4. I am not sure if it was done before. But be fun to watch 2nd gen through gen 7 performance gain's over the years. Feels like it was only 5-8% gains. Just problem is we will be called fan boys. I am still a fan of old Xeon's. X58/x79.. so... But anyways i was happy with fx8350 i used for 3 years back then. It was like more than half the price of Intels offering back then. But yes it aged bad and loved the old Xeon's. But was never a fan of Intels gen 3,4,6,&7 I7s. Slowly trying to scam you to upgrade. And changing board sockets constantly. Now a $100 Ryzen 1600 will really Carry anyone... Or 2700,3600 or 3700X for higher end cards.

Okay. Next vid: 9900k vs 3900X with their boxcoolers. Der8auer has ran several CPUs without any cooler, it is possible. I'd like to see how long the 9900k takes to render smth vs the 3900X in this scenario ;)

I have some very old arctic coler freezere 7 pro. It's massive with propeler of 100 cm, i'm not even sure if it's goin to fit in. @t. Would this be better?

Hey Steve, any way you could test thermals on the Asroxk champion 5700 and 5700 xt? I'm an asrock fan and would like to see how it stacks up temp wise

Love my 3700X/Wraith Prism. It never goes above 75c.

I asked for this yesterday, and here it is... Are you God?

Hey, great video! I was wondering if you could also see how the BXTS15A stacks up compared to the AMD stock coolers.

What if say Intel actually released a decent box cooler with their non-K (Or K series) processors? Is there any way to get the am3/am4 clip style coolers to work on an modern lga15xx motherboard to test on a 65W/95W Intel processor? This would answer the "what if" questions. Could an affordable Wraith Prism in the box tame a 8700/9900 or even a 9900K? I mentioned the clip style cooler found on the Wraith Prism cooler as I thought some aftermarket LGA15xx socket coolers had used similar style clip retention hardware. I am not sure about the difference in CPU height and the resulting mounting pressure, but a copper shim/plate could help... since it is just for fun! The Wraith Spire and Stealth coolers probably could not be tested with their screw mounting, however.

Yeah ok, AMD stock coolers are the best, but I'm still disappointed they cut down costs and removed the copper base.

I still would love a Ryzen Version without Cooler and Warranty It's just a waste of materials all these wraith coolers who will never be used.

What was the type of workload on the CPU? AVX Blender??

Love your videos, excellent as always!

Intel is going the same way as Apple, give less pay more. I switched to AMD

AMD's plan with Ryzen wasn't just to compete with processors, it was to compete and then outdo with stock coolers. You give a good air cooler that can handle mild overclocks, against the Intel stock coolers that aren't even great at stock speeds. That was a great business move to secure more of a hold over the low end and especially mid range builds.

I'm assuming there is no difference between the wraith max & wraith prism coolers (just RGB aesthetics) ?

does intel box coolers comes with noice canceling headphones?

Intel Logic: We give you 9900k with no cooler for $500 (or Buy normal 9900 for $460 with same cooler that comes with i3) AMD Logic: We give you 3700x which have great LED cooler for $330 I tried Intel & AMD.. and I can't understands people who still defending Intel after all these years Oh well.. hardcore fans are everywhere (will defend anything even if it was pile of crap/$hit) as long as it's from their favorite company

I used the stock cooler with the 4770K for over four years, through all those European summer heatwaves...

So should i change the wraith stealth to the wraith spire for my 3600 in gaming use?

Is it possible to stack and screw 3 Wraith Stealth aluminum parts to one big together?

Intel should ship a frying pan and some eggs, seriously the surface area of the pan combined with the evaporative cooling effect of the eggs would equate to far more cooling than their box cooler.

Intel stock coolers are so retro looking, they really look out of place in modern hardware imo.

Interesting to see how they perform; I didn't realise the Intel cooler ran quite that hot. I wonder if I'll be able to get a bracket to allow me to reuse my Noctua with the new CPU?

I've ran my R5 1600 with the stock cooler with an all-core OC @ 3.8ghz / 1.325v for months without an issue. I decided to get it back to stock just to get more longevity out of the system, but it ran super cool and quiet during my creativity workloads (which is what I do the most... video rendering, graphic design, photo editing, etc).

**cries with 4790k with intel stock cooler**

I remember when reviewers were giving LARGE amounts of praise for the AMD Wraith series. The Wraith Max and Prism in particular. It's funny how everyone is now just "meh" about them, even though AMD's CPUs are at the same TDP so performance hasn't changed.

I'm still using the Wrath Stealth with my 3600 and it's not really a problem. The CPU is basically idle in games and my case fans easily out noise it. It's only when maxing out the CPU in handbrake that the cooler becomes audible but it's still bearable. This is with a -0.75v offset which helps.

i have a tx3 evo cooler on my old system, will it be better than the wraith stealth? should i give it a try?

AMD wins because of the RGB in the coolers, we all know that RGB is better for gaming and cooling performance.

I am entirely unsurprised. Intel coolers are essentially terrible. I'd like to point out that the aftermarket supplies mounting brackets for mounting AMD coolers to intel sockets, but this is only for the lever design before anyone tries to lynch me.

Could you plz do an turing vs navi efficiency compatison? Just like put 5700/2060super and 5700xt/2070super on the same system with a low tdp processor, measure 4k/2k fps and consumpion (minus processor/rest of system consumption), normalise the results and just compare the percentages.

I was curious how you would normalize. Mount one type of stock coolers on the other platform, gutsy. Who would have thought that ASRock putting the 'wrong' mounting mechanism on it would make this possible.

I don’t think beating a dead horse is necessary.

The best channel. for me it's so relaxing like last day in school. :) Bravo!

Can the intel h81 socket support the amd wraith stealth cooler ?

I would be curious how the wraith spire holds up on 105w CPUs like the 3900x as even the prism is too tall for smaller cases.

Good video Steve! As you point out its just a bit of fun, but curious why not just use another ITX board with the AM4 bracket for comparison on the same test bench/case? Also good to hear the 3700X and the Prism work well together, I think the only criticism of all box* CPU coolers would be including them undoubtedly increases the price, but I really don't know by how much and if it's only a $10-15 USD 'cost' passed onto the consumer, seems perfectly fine for me.

Some Deepcool coolers are supplied with an Intel to AM4 adaptor ring. You could also have tested the AMD coolers on an Intel cpu for fun.

Didn't the X370 crosshair VI hero have both mounting holes?

These box cooler videos are great! I think it's quite important to discuss the efficiency of the included coolers. And in the case of AMD processors, you can actually use the included cooler instead of just throwing it away.

I have my Ryzen CPU paired up with the included Wraith Prism cooler, and I've never had any issued, but my previous CPU (Intel i7 4790k) ran so hot I literally had to go out and purchase a new cooler the next day, and a water cooler the day after (it ran at 85C+ with an absolutely massive air cooler, it's hot where I resided back then). It's mad that the (until recently) biggest CPU manufacturer in the world can't be bothered to provide a cooler adequate to the requirements of the CPU.

Thanks for this video, it seems that 3600 and aftermarket Wraith Prism seems like a great match - I like the way Prism looks. :)

This is the kind of stuff I like to see. Good work guys!

To run the intel cooler at max speed, you could have just connected it to a 3-pin connector, for example using a molex-3pin adapter. Or you could have removed the pwm contact from the 4pin connector.

Going to have to grab my popcorn for this one

"welcome back to hardware unboxed" makes me feel at home somehow :D

What I am most curious about is the fact that the Stealth and Spire are configured to require removal of the motherboards' stock brackets, while the Prism uses them. It would seem AMD would want to make them all use the stock brackets, right? I mean, why make those brackets stock on AM4 boards if most of the box coolers don't use them? Or why make most of the stock coolers not use the stock brackets? In my 3600X system I use the copper-core Spire LED cooler from a 1700, and under gaming load with a 4.3 Ghz all-core overclock at 1.33 volts, it peaked this evening at 57C after nearly three hours in a 23C room. That's in a Silverstone RL06 case with two intake and one exhaust fan and a mildly OC'd Aorus Extreme 1080Ti. Hard to beat for a "free" cooler. The only Intel build I have ever done for my own use is a 6850K, which of course ships with no cooler. That CPU spent its first year on an H115i and is now on an EK custom loop. There is no way any Intel box cooler could have managed that beast thermally. Since I would be hard-pressed these days to buy an Intel CPU, I guess I don't care if they ever ship with decent coolers or not. I wouldn't mind AMD offering a no-cooler option at a slightly lower price.

Anyone know who makes the intel coolers? I know cooler master does the amd ones

I had the copper core stock cooler come with my i5 4440 (the first and only rig that I had built for me). Needless to say that it ran silently on that rather lower power CPU, and that even another stock cooler (far crappier fins+smaller fan than the all-aluminium stock cooler tested) is able to keep it at 60 degrees under a full load. And its the same for a Xeon E3 1220 v2. Dead silent with either cooler. Although my i7 4770 really pushed the limits, partly due to the extra 150mV it required for 3.9GHz all cores than my 4790K at 4.2GHz.

Great video! Think I'll be replacing the Stealth on my 3600 with something a little bit beefier now.

You're missing the box cooler from the intel Core Duo E8500 back when box cooler where twice as high.

How about 2 best coolers for 3600? by temp and by db

Nice another quality vid from the one and only Hardware Unboxed! ❤️❤️❤️

Video idea: Update of the "What they need to fix" videos going over if they have fixed any of your suggestions, gotten worse at something, or fixed something that wasn't mentioned.

I have to wonder, is there any data in relation to cpu degredation vs temperature? I ask, because I wonder if 90C is really that much worse than 60C. In the definition of thermal throttling, the cpu throttles to PREVENT damage to the cpu, which would indicate no damage could occur anywhere underneath the throttle temp.

I used the intel box cooler with my old i3-2100 (undervoltedbecause why not) and it was reasonnably cool and quiet, when it was new, after a few months the fan became quite a bit noisier, at the same rpm, and you can't just switch the fan so I replaced it with the cheapest cooler I could find at the time, a Zalman flower cooler, and it had better thermals and noise. The intel cooler is a temporary solution at best IMO. Don't know if the fan on AMD coolers deteriorates as fast, but at least it seems to be using sandard 92mm mounting holes so you don't have to just toss the whole thing away.