America's Fastest Streetcar Engine Spins to 10,000 RPM With NEW Cam! + Slow Motion Video

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Sorceress

Sorceress

Жыл бұрын

Huge thank you to @EFI University for helping us improve the valvetrain on the Sorceress 640ci Pro Mod Engine! Also thank you to Billy Godbold and @comp for knocking us out two new cams to test out and allow us to spin the engine higher than ever before safely!
As soon as we get the new rocker stands from @JeselValvetrain we will be back with even more testing!
#nhra #promod #dragracing

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@benrossbach6501
@benrossbach6501 Жыл бұрын
No such thing as luck at your level. Thanks for taking us along.
@sorceress5459
@sorceress5459 Жыл бұрын
Ben we appreciate your support! Thanks
@dennisrobinson8008
@dennisrobinson8008 Жыл бұрын
10,000 rpm and 640ci of pro mod pure awesomeness! Every enthusiasts appreciates this more than you can imagine.
@sorceress5459
@sorceress5459 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! We appreciate it more than you know!
@marshgatelaneposse
@marshgatelaneposse Жыл бұрын
Valve stem deflection is far more that I would of thought thanks for this
@RussPanneton
@RussPanneton Жыл бұрын
That you share this tech with us is SOOO appreciated!! Setup the experiment, collect the data, analyze it, and only then make changes -- science. Thank you!
@kenworks6068
@kenworks6068 2 ай бұрын
Real data! I love the instrumentation on this and other videos. You presentation is easily understandable by most of us who really care to learn. Thanks far taking the madness away from racing valve trains.
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk Жыл бұрын
Six hundred fourty cubes spinning at ten grand. My god man,that's amazing. And that needed to be spelled out for emphasis.
@dudesaya124
@dudesaya124 24 күн бұрын
You guys are Freaking awesome. I'm an aero engineer and watching all of this is truly fascinating, really makes me wanna switch fields and work alongside you guys, Definitely keep it up!!!!
@wfoguy
@wfoguy Жыл бұрын
I wish we would have had this kind of info back in the late 80's when I was running a blown alky 426. This is cool info. :)
@Trobertsdsgmach1
@Trobertsdsgmach1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the free education, for a guy like me this is GOLD!!!
@mrvwbob156
@mrvwbob156 Жыл бұрын
Actually Tom Bailey owns America’s fastest street car Verified 5.99 during hot rod drag week, And a few 5.60’s during testing
@lordcommander3224
@lordcommander3224 Жыл бұрын
Tom has the quickest ET, but Sorceress is the fastest @260 mph.
@karenashcraft8812
@karenashcraft8812 Жыл бұрын
Tom Bailey for the win
@mrvwbob156
@mrvwbob156 Жыл бұрын
@Lord Commander I stand corrected Fastest and quickest are two very different things Forgot bailey’s MPH, Mid 250’s would seem about right with that ET
@tonym995
@tonym995 Жыл бұрын
This car doesn’t run coolant in the engine so I don’t know why they think they can call it a street car. It wouldn’t last one day on a drag and drive event. Bailey has the quickest and fastest street car period.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
@@lordcommander3224 The problem is that Sorceress is not a street car. Drive that thing for 50+ miles and see how it fairs. It's a solid block engine.
@jasonwolfe8025
@jasonwolfe8025 2 ай бұрын
Great info. Crazy the valve springs harmonics almost knocked the lash cap off
@flinch622
@flinch622 Жыл бұрын
Congratz on the improvements.
@LeeSmith-dx7gg
@LeeSmith-dx7gg 9 ай бұрын
The improvements made weren’t cheap but is absolutely worth it when you factor in reliability in not having to replace parts after every run. I believe this would be absolutely a winner at endurance racing like Le Mans.
@shakeydavesr
@shakeydavesr Жыл бұрын
Good stuff. I was following along when Ben was working on the Spinal Tap stuff, and I got a lot from it and to see more on the subject is cool. Best of luck to you and Ben. Oh, and to The Cam Whisperer,,, Billy Godbold,,, lol.
@lorenmorelli9249
@lorenmorelli9249 Жыл бұрын
INCREDIBLE!! Pragmatic expertise proving out at it's highest level... 💎
@vehdynam
@vehdynam Жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative ! Thanks for that. PS: love to see this car at an event competing against others of this caliber.
@adeadlyfart13
@adeadlyfart13 9 ай бұрын
This is the gear head stuff I can nerd out on all day!
@jimkillen1065
@jimkillen1065 Жыл бұрын
Many years ago the company I worked for sent me to a class that taught us about vibration and frequently of equipment. How things can go into a resonant frequency, how to use equipment to measure and plan maintenance based on those readings . I remember years ago a company how they used a large electric motor to spin up there engine to see how or what was going on with the valve train . I thought you had valve train problems and that your using a spin tron to solve those problems makes a lot of since . I been told that the oil helps cool the valve springs . Being able to spin up the engine and have it reliable seems to be a winning process. I don't know anything about building the engine you have but I was told that some of the very high rpm engines have loft designed into the valve train . Good luck with your engine
@terrybaltimore1542
@terrybaltimore1542 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff man
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969 Жыл бұрын
I still think people are waiting for Sorceress to go on Drag Week
@tonym995
@tonym995 Жыл бұрын
It would never last. It’s a pro mod they drive on the street which is not a street car. No coolant/radiator means it’s a race car and they run a rich enough mixture for short street drives to not overheat.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
It's not a drag 'n' drive car. Solid engine. Race car with plates.
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969 9 ай бұрын
drag 'n' drive cars have plates and drive hundreds of miles and then pull off a 6:40 time slip.don't claim to be the fastest street car if your not gonna back it up is all I'm saying@@AB-80X
@Rocksoup77
@Rocksoup77 10 ай бұрын
Thats incredible!
@MrChevrolet94
@MrChevrolet94 Жыл бұрын
I love this monster!!!! It sings beautiful music!!!!
@mikerhoads7010
@mikerhoads7010 Жыл бұрын
Rod your passion as an owner is beyond impressive!! Thank you and Ben one of the top three of most informative videos I’ve ever watched!! With the new spring how far off of coil bind are you??
@swede910
@swede910 Жыл бұрын
That at 2:25 must be one of the coolest knowledge enhancing slow motion clips for me I've ever come across!
@pedromoralez7666
@pedromoralez7666 Жыл бұрын
Love to see and hear the power when you fire 🔥 it up
@firstielasty1162
@firstielasty1162 9 ай бұрын
The engine isn't running- spun by an electric motor. I think the noise is just air moving through the engine, no combustion.
@Freecomments4u
@Freecomments4u Ай бұрын
yo the spintron is a beast
@chris2170
@chris2170 Жыл бұрын
This is BadAss!
@swede910
@swede910 Жыл бұрын
Those oil squirts coming from bottom springcollar really shows how the collar comes off the surface and pumps oil to a squirt.
@darylmorse
@darylmorse Жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@darrendubbelman6042
@darrendubbelman6042 Жыл бұрын
Now that was brilliant viewing…
@sam2902
@sam2902 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah guys, Well done Ben Love the Emtron controlling the rpm curve too
@VGHCX
@VGHCX 22 күн бұрын
Get video of the lifter and pushrod. They are the true culprit of valve float.
@jesse75
@jesse75 9 ай бұрын
Violent is an understatement. That explains the wear on the locks.
@johnkustra1684
@johnkustra1684 Жыл бұрын
Be cool to see this with a behive spring also
@toddelbob
@toddelbob Жыл бұрын
That's awesome content! Better understanding about Spring Frequency. Do you think there is much of a different if the engine is fired up, with cylinderpreassure and different Frequencies during the combustion?
@Rocksoup77
@Rocksoup77 10 ай бұрын
I wondered the same thing.
@edpetrocelli2633
@edpetrocelli2633 Жыл бұрын
About 30yrs ago I was laying block inside of crane cams and heard a dyno making runs, I expressed my interest in it to one of the crane guys and he said he`d walk me down there, It wasn`t a dyno it was a spintron. The noise was really loud, all valve train noise. I believe thats the noise you hear in the in car cameras and not the exhaust sound. They had 3 of them and a Harley one too along with dozens of blocks. I guess comp cams owns them now cause they been gone a long time now
@bobfitzsimmons5065
@bobfitzsimmons5065 Жыл бұрын
Done any drag n drive events.? . . . Not a street car unless it does
@Drobert882-ix3zf
@Drobert882-ix3zf Ай бұрын
That sounded so smooth at 9 grand it's scary
@dennisrobinson8008
@dennisrobinson8008 Жыл бұрын
Whats going on at the spring and retainer is not much more dramatic than DOHC at the same RPM and i was surprised how stable the rockers were.
@cheathunderwood
@cheathunderwood 8 ай бұрын
Awesome, so i I have to ask , what will the heat do for it ?
@MrTaylorTexas
@MrTaylorTexas Жыл бұрын
Wow!
@RollingRoadEFI
@RollingRoadEFI Жыл бұрын
Ben Strader is the man.
@fantaseahorse4696
@fantaseahorse4696 3 ай бұрын
Every time he says "RPM's" I wanna gouge my eyes out
@raymondkaczmarek5631
@raymondkaczmarek5631 Жыл бұрын
Im assuming this is a solid roller set-up, but what's your clearance to coil bind?
@michaelw3809
@michaelw3809 4 ай бұрын
How do you account for combustion pressure on the exhaust valve?
@kenmoule825
@kenmoule825 Жыл бұрын
Winner winner chicken dinner 😀
@totensiebush
@totensiebush Жыл бұрын
I love how much technical detail you're sharing, that's uncommon. I have no idea how you don't have dozens of times as many subs as you have... spinning a streetable mountain motor to 10k is insane
@mrvwbob156
@mrvwbob156 Жыл бұрын
@Daniel It’s not streetable, There’s no coolant system It would never survive Hot Rod drag week where you must drive 1200-1500 miles in a week
@totensiebush
@totensiebush Жыл бұрын
@@mrvwbob156 really? I've seen videos he posted driving on the street, maybe just very short distance but I thought it had coolant.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
@@totensiebush The engine is a solid block Proline mill. Not a street car. It can do super short drives, but no actual drives for many miles. Drag Week, Sick Week, RMRW etc. demands that you drive between 100-300 miles per day and about 800-1000 miles per week. I like this car and I think it's impressive, but calling it a street car is definitely a stretch.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
@@mrvwbob156 None of those events has ever been over 1000 miles.
@totensiebush
@totensiebush 9 ай бұрын
@@AB-80X that makes it *far* less impressive... I had seen video of it on the Vegas Strip etc and assumed it was at least marginally streetable (maybe less than an SMX but in the same category)
@thunderrollin
@thunderrollin 10 ай бұрын
My question is what is the effect when boosted?
@tlambertco
@tlambertco 9 ай бұрын
I know this is a different topic but I believe you will understand and can clarify this for me.I still have a hard time understanding the actual difference between what Measurement of Force HorsePower defines as opposed to What Torque defines. If I were to look at it as HP is the Highest Force reached and Torque is a calculation to do with at what RPM it reaches that Maximum Force, is that how it is calculated? Another way of asking for clarity would be, lets say a Motor has 1000 HP and 800ft.lbs. of Torque. I want the HP to stay the same. What component and/or characteristic do I change to alter just the Torque. What exactly is measured to determine torque? They are both just words given to Identify a particular Force rating. The word HorsePower has a logical reason for the use of that term. Torque confuses me. Way back in 1979 in Auto Class, We were told that the amount of weight and/or load 1 horse could move a certain distance on a loadable/repeatable jig equals 1 HP, did the calculations really start from that method? This R&D with that spinning device shows many things we would never see or understand are happening under all that load. This is ingenuity at its finest. I venture to say what you are doing here is groundbreaking as far as Supertuning. The old rule of thumb is the last 50-100 HP costs as much as where you are now. You are leapfrogging that theory. 2000 or more RPM over the industry standard is something never before seen in this category of engine. The fact that you the Owner and the tuner, are willing to let us see what you have discovered really speaks volumes about your character. Unbelievable video, catching that keeper coming out of socket saved you at least 1 blown engine.
@ferrarikingdom
@ferrarikingdom Жыл бұрын
Didn’t Frankenstein engine development do 10k with a 900hp na ls ?
@GTRliffe
@GTRliffe 2 ай бұрын
why can't you create a cam with multiple different lobes for spintron data? with a clear rocker cover you'd be able to see the characteristics of multiple lobes in one cam instead of making multiple cams is that possible?
@n.b.p.davenport7066
@n.b.p.davenport7066 6 ай бұрын
What engine is it based off of ? V8 V10 V12 ?
@PHLTHS
@PHLTHS Жыл бұрын
Are you guys going to eventually offer camshaft and valve train packages that have been tested and verified?
@exploranator
@exploranator Жыл бұрын
Not sure if they ever read the comments.
@davidgalea6113
@davidgalea6113 Жыл бұрын
That would be awesome.. most of us cannot afford to buy a bunch of different valve train components to test them on a spinatron.. so a package would be ideal..
@bearrains8364
@bearrains8364 Жыл бұрын
I can only guess how much you can't wait to put her together, and let her eat !!! Because, I'm like a crazy ass horse on crack blazing at the bit, to see her run ! hahahaha
@bearrains8364
@bearrains8364 Жыл бұрын
I promise in future videos, to only comment a couple words ! You gotta understand, that your badass videos make me feel like I'm right there with youz guyz, and feel the excitement you feel ! It's like watching a step niece, go from playing kickball in 3rd grade, to a world class soccer player ! I will probably piss in my Batman Underoos when I get to see her run ! lmao
@Spad68
@Spad68 Жыл бұрын
Very cool . You're the Sheldon of the motor guru's. Lol
@kevinstevens4505
@kevinstevens4505 Жыл бұрын
So my question is what happens when you add 60 psi of boost to the intake valve.Does the boost on the back side of a 2.600 valve effect control.
@jdoe9518
@jdoe9518 Жыл бұрын
What seems like a straightforward question is actual quite complex, even if the manifold air pressure (MAP accounts for atmospheric pressure also so 60 psi MAP is actually 60 - 14.7 = 45.3 psi boost) remains constant, the cylinder pressure is changing with RPM and that cylinder pressure is working against the face of the valve (whilst ever positive pressure exists) pressing the valve on the seat. Once the inlet valve opens the MAP may have an extremely minor impact at very low valve lift. The a possible problem with this engine, and an issue PRO STOCK went through, is the cylinder pressure is still so high when the exhaust valve tries to open the cam lobe, lifter, pushrod and rocker keep coming but the cylinder pressure is holding the valve closed. This can be minor and only cause minor deflection in the pushrod or it can end up being broken rocker arm or the valve lofting ends up pulling the head off the valve destroying the engine. Spintrons are great for testing the stability of the valve train and are a valuable piece of the puzzle, however, without cylinder pressure, running temperatures and the harmonics created from the rotating assembly, all other accessories and being mounted in the chassis they are not giving a 100% indication of what the running engines experiences.
@vehdynam
@vehdynam Жыл бұрын
When is this car going to compete at a drive and drag event ?
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
Never. It's not a street car.
@scotthultin7769
@scotthultin7769 Жыл бұрын
I use 350 seat pressure springs on my big block Chevy 565
@scotthultin7769
@scotthultin7769 Жыл бұрын
I had valve float before I went with the pack springs with an install height of 2.1 I had 350 seat pressure 1190 open pressure I spun that motor to 8600 all the way down the track from the starting line to the finish line for 12 years only thing I did was James spark plugs and oil so I don't understand why you're trying to reinvent the wheel you just need to get the right products for the job and you guys are expending tons of money to do that
@scotthultin7769
@scotthultin7769 Жыл бұрын
And I didn't use tied on rocker arms like that I just had regular shaft rocker arms on a stud with a stud girdle on my 565 but I did alter one part of my 565 cuz I didn't like going faster than the sticker on my cage with allow so I opened up the orifice on the lifters change the spring in the lifters so if I run a 5:40 oil I never got full lift of my can the car would run a 9.06 ET at 154 mph With my modified roller lifters When I changed the oil to 2050 that's when the cam and the motor came to life That's when I get told by the track officials that if I did the slow down I couldn't run the car anymore until I upgraded my roll cage so I went back to 5:40 oil and waited for the day some joker wanted to put money down saying his car was faster than mine I just changed the oil and collect the money
@robmotown1
@robmotown1 Жыл бұрын
This is why you should get your car serviced!!!! Mechanics always put this level of care to your car!!!
@tomhamilton9140
@tomhamilton9140 Жыл бұрын
😎👍🇺🇸
@DavidB7474
@DavidB7474 Жыл бұрын
I just want a good 350 to rev this high. Ok maybe a 397!!
@kensmechanicalaffair
@kensmechanicalaffair Жыл бұрын
I don't see why it wouldn't.
@DavidB7474
@DavidB7474 Жыл бұрын
@@kensmechanicalaffair I have seen 7200, with a flat tappet hydraulic cam. Same engine runs 6500 flat out. But watching the valvetrain work better with less spring pressure has me thinking. I definitely want to look at shaft mounted rockers for a small block Chevy setup. I may even look at solid rollers for 8000rpm street operation. Back in the day small cubic inch engines were running to 7500rpms, with solid flat tappet cams. No reason with new stuff we should not be able to get the high rpm’s wind a good hydraulic roller or solid roller.
@kensmechanicalaffair
@kensmechanicalaffair Жыл бұрын
@@DavidB7474 I'm sure you have good flowing heads, and balanced internals. Should be a piece of cake.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
9+k with solid rollers on an SBC is super easy.
@DavidB7474
@DavidB7474 9 ай бұрын
@@kensmechanicalaffair circle track engines do this all the time with basically stock internals, good clearances, hyper pistons, flat tappet cams. Mine is nothing fancy: Cast pistons, stock rods, polished cast crank, it’s a mid 70’s .060 over, 4 bolt block, I’ve freshens this thing up three times. Clevite bearings, speed pro moly rings. Clearances are almost perfect, almost because it’s just a little to the loose side. Still in spec. Any stock internally balanced small block can handle rpm’s with the right attention to detail and the right valve train and valve springs. Now the 2.02/1.60 valve 882 heads with screw in studs and guide plates are ported to a 1206 gasket and I took out plenty of material. Guess they flow alright for this combo. It’s just a fun engine. If I build something with a good aftermarket rotating assembly, some big darts, and serious valve train, I would be dangerous. We shall see.
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty 9 ай бұрын
So, as a guy who can only afford to build $6K-ish race engines, and if you're already having issues at 6500rpm with valvetrain becoming unstable, I wonder what all is going on in my engine and it's valvetrain that could be better? A more stable valvetrain has to equate to more horsepower and a longer lasting engine! Without all of this incredibly high priced equipment, I wonder how a guy might be able to figure this stuff out about his own engines?
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
Hate to say this, but if your valve train is getting unstable at 6500, you need to talk to someone else about your cam lobe choices and spring selection. I've spun a BBC to 8000 with 2.300 intake valves on hydraulic lifters.
@totensiebush
@totensiebush Жыл бұрын
What are bore/stroke? 640 is pretty tiny for a 5.3 bore spacing, obviously TT rather than nitrous but since 900+ is common for nitrous I'd have expected at least well into the 700 range.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 9 ай бұрын
Making power when you have turbos is not the issue, reliability and longevity is.
@smithjohn3080
@smithjohn3080 8 ай бұрын
Luck = preparation, opportunity and execution
@bri-manhunter2654
@bri-manhunter2654 Жыл бұрын
I’m here for all the pushrod haters whom say you can’t spin them!
@exploranator
@exploranator Жыл бұрын
It's a street car, not a streetcar, BTW.
@joe-hp4nk
@joe-hp4nk Жыл бұрын
The engine running under its own power will fly apart.
@nickm6494
@nickm6494 Жыл бұрын
Do what Tom Bailey does, then you’ll have something to talk about. Tom is decades ahead of you.
@johnnyrocket7922
@johnnyrocket7922 Жыл бұрын
Where's the headers?
@Spad68
@Spad68 Жыл бұрын
Lol. Ls is the only thing that runs that good .. 😁😁😁😁 Sarcasm at it's finest
@jesse75
@jesse75 9 ай бұрын
" They're the only things that run that good. " you lost me on that one. Worthless biased statement.
@timjenkins6049
@timjenkins6049 2 ай бұрын
"Street Car" has been a diluted term for quite some time..........
@blown572hemi
@blown572hemi Жыл бұрын
“Street” engine’s don’t rev to 10k rpm unless they are routinely tore down every week depending on mileage that week. Good clickbait for the ignorant tho
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969 Жыл бұрын
can your 4000 horse power car drive 2000 miles?
@kensmechanicalaffair
@kensmechanicalaffair Жыл бұрын
Sir, you can rev a Honda engine to 10k as much as you like, with a little bit of knowledge.
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969 Жыл бұрын
@@kensmechanicalaffair but then again, that Honda doesn't have 1" of lift at the valve ..LOL
@tonym995
@tonym995 Жыл бұрын
Agree this is a click bait title, they have no business calling this car a street car. It’s not about the rpm’s. Motorcycles run over 10k rpm all day long. They don’t run coolant in the block and that’s the reason it’s not a street car.
@shvrdavid
@shvrdavid Жыл бұрын
What you have done in a few days took a long journey of trial and error before the spintron. Thanks for sharing.
@gpt5002
@gpt5002 9 ай бұрын
Does anyone else feel like this takes away from the magic did an engine builder/ racer/ everything that was magic about building a car and engine? We all wanna know why we were born and what our purpose is but when it comes to racing I think the dark is what use to make it the best part. Engine building will never be the same as it use to. It’s now $$$$$ not experience
@bdd1469
@bdd1469 Жыл бұрын
" America's fastest street car engine " How fast has this gone, how many times has it backed it up, and in what sanctioned event? Are you saying this engine has driven to the track, and then been faster than 250 mph in the quarter mile, multiple times ?
@johnweaver1198
@johnweaver1198 Жыл бұрын
I've heard Bailey talk about it..... I personally haven't seen it in any drag and drive event.... That's interesting about the sanctioned event. Larson may actually be the fastest with the truck and that was 4 or 5 years ago at a NHRA event....
@waynebreedlove9738
@waynebreedlove9738 7 ай бұрын
Go 9600 and quit playing
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