$50.00 deductable! 🤣😂

I hate and love this

Speedy glass repair, speedy glass replace (also: Autoglass in the UK)

Carglass répare, Carglass remplace (yeah it's like that in France)

You're all nuts. That'll just buff out.

elk hunter imagine the noise inside the cabin

steff serpent oh that would be scary, I have pretty much no fear of flying but I might be a little worried in this situation! The noises oh no!

Well, its always like that. You're convinced you've seen it all and right then or shortly after something happens that on a whole another level.

I’m guessing not with an airline that flies into Alberta a lot? I’ve seen hail damage like this on aircraft many times in the past, and I’m not even a pilot.

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co Is that from exceptionally large hail or the amount & intensity at that altitude? It looks like it was struck by a cow! Terrifying

Thanks for watching!

@Zeksteve It was a joke... 🙄

@@Victor_Victory just ow that would hurt to do that

@Zeksteve whoosh...

LIKE A GLOVE?!?

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Also once had a big hailstorm when driving. Not so nice. But at leas, we can easily slow down. Not so great, when you have to keep 60/70 tonns in the air.

Be glad it’s not softball sized hail. My dad’s car had to be in repairs for about a week.

The noses are made of fibreglass (aka glass-reinforced plastic) for radar transparency.

Like a dishwasher being beaten with a million golf clubs... and you're strapped inside the dishwasher.

@@gastonbell108 😂😂😂

@@gastonbell108 or worse...in a washing machine on full high spin with a load of golf balls

@@gastonbell108 and the dishwasher is at 11,000 ft

I'm trying to imagine what it must have been like to deplane, turn around, and look through the terminal window.

Why isn't the return off of hail as good? Is it because of the wavelength range of the radar or something else? (Meteorology student asking, so I'm used to the NWS network of 88Ds that give high reflectivities for hail.)

@@zacwarrior82 Dry snow and hail is not as reflective kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mZ5jnpSL2drcoKs.html

​@@KZfaq.TOM.A For ground radars, I know snow isn't as reflective either, but from what I've been taught, dry vs. wet hail doesn't have that much of an impact on the NWS NEXRADs. They can usually see thunderstorm tops pretty well. I'm curious as to what part of the radar leads to that difference. I'll have to watch that video to see if they explain. Thanks for the link!

@@zacwarrior82 The equipment that I used had airborne doppler and was satisfactory for airline use. I have flown around in 100 % IFR visibility in icing conditions, and had no radar return, not just clouds but icing conditions, using anti ice equipment on wings and engines. Hail does not always show up; if it is wet hail your chances are better to have radar returns. You also have to consider that as a rule Airline equipment separates itself from significant radar activity, by at least 20 miles, but I have had pebbles of hail hitting the front windscreen with no radar returns.

@@KZfaq.TOM.A I'm not questioning you or the equipment as I have no experience with this. My questions are merely out of curiosity. What I'm wondering is why airborne radars struggle to pick up dry hail whereas ground radars do not. I know it's related to the reflectivity of dry hail; however, if the NWS ground radars don't have issues picking it up but airborne radars do, then there is a difference in the radars leading to this. That's what I'm wondering about. Nexrad radars are S-band radars and I believe airborne radars operate on a higher frequency (like C or X band, correct me if I'm wrong), so my guess is that the higher frequency changes the scattering properties of dry hail enough to lower the reflectivity considerably for airborne radars. Or potentially something else? That's interesting to know that airborne radars can struggle to pick up hydrometeors even if they are hitting the aircraft. Adds perspective to how important aviation forecasting is.

Wouter112 that sounds like a good solution. Would like to see the US change rules.

Internationally ( including the US) the freq 121.5 is used as an "emergency" freq. Civilian and Military constantly monitor the freq, but if a flight needs to declare an emergency there is no need to change to 121.5. The AA flight would have been in contact with Albuquerque Center and would have declared an emergency with ABQ Center. *IF* there was any issue with the plane changing frequencies, they would have moved everybody else off that freq. But in this case AA was able to change frequencies, so the prudent path was move them to an empty freq. and then everyone that needs to can just monitor that freq.

With the 121.500 GUARD freq, its pretty much the same but its mostly used by ATC's and Air Defence stations to call up planes who dont respond on the ussual sector frequencies. The DEF freq, 120.875 (or 120.880 with the 8.33 spacing), is a Dutch nationalwide frequency for emergencies within the Amsterdam FIR where all airports, upper and lower area control sectors and militairy ATC can operate on. See for example: audioboom.com/posts/3762027-csa619-mayday-01-11-15

@@Wouter112 Yer on Guuuaaaarrrrdddd!

Caracal yeah when he said let me check around the aircraft for you I was thinking shouldn't he of done that already

At that point, they were going to get towed in anyway, so it didn't really matter. Maybe he was asking on behalf of the company.

He was getting the information ready for his "I fucked up" call to company.

"Ya your plane looks like it landed on it's nose" would have been my response.

@@philipwhiuk I actually was a little disappointed that they didn't drop the professionalism for one second to properly communicate how utterly fucked the nose was. If there's any time to say something like that on frequency, this was it.

The we are farners bum da bum part played on the tv at the exact same time i read that at the same speed.

aren't they supposed to avoid weather? what happened here

jschrager23 someone screwed up big time. Even funnier was the crew telling pax that this is the kind of stuff they train for, which isn’t true at all 😄

Fcreceptor yeah. Someone did. This could’ve ended much worse than it did

well they train for handling hail damage i believe. some boeing even have been tested for landing capability while looking out of the open side window there is a youtube kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mqt9lqdet72laXU.html but i doubt that they train for that procedure. not disputing that they screwed up though.

Thanks for posting. I live in El Paso and was driving to Phoenix and had barely crossed into Arizona when the storm hit our area.

Try running into it at NASCAR-level speeds. It'll do damage like that, for sure.

12345fowler that's why these videos are so awesome.

IMO the confusion is not that bad but it would be great tech to have a way to see which unit is on which frequency. Would save a lot of time.

I just had a thought. You can use the powerful transmissions from analog TV stations as a very basic passive radar. When a aircraft passes through the signal it gets scattered and it is very easy to detect this using $20 hardware and the appropiate antenna. As the aircraft passes the Doppler shift is quite visible. How do aircraft comms deal with this? Is the Doppler shit miniscule that the frequency doesn't change to a noticeable degree?

This probably has to do with the physical radios themselves. Mobile units, the radios in ground vehicles, don't get a lot of vertical lift and the tower is several hundred feet up. They are all supposed to be on different frequencies, so if a vehicle is in a 'dead zone' (which might only be a few feet wide) they can't hear that someone is talking to them, or they can't be heard. Hence all the switching, trying to find a frequency that works for everyone. Once the plane is on the ground, there's time for that.

CowsRus she was calm, clear and precise

Johnathan Bruno exactly. She handled it like it was any other landing. That's what you want. Getting excited does no one any good. She did us in El Paso proud.

I really love when she recommended to turn up the runway lights, thinking outside the box..

Exactly what I was thinking. Solid, professional, and calm. Can't ask for more than that.

ELP ATC are all students

i second that

It really does. Thanks.

they dont give a shit

Nose cones are overrated.

Just a little fiber glass and resin. Slap another one together and pop it in place in no time.

To all those long-time pilots that always crawl out beneath the rocks with "advice". how do you know what happens? You don't.

Maximisation of profits and cutting of corners is what happened.

Yes the books say 20nm... but in reality airline travel would go below a snails pace if cells weren't skirted during regular ops.

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We know a thing or two cause we've seen a thing or two.

@@JohnTimothyRatliffe That's Farmers Insurance.

Roflmao!

When it's baseball size, yes.

A chunk of ice at 300-500 knots will mess you up pretty good. Can you imagine what the crackling and crunching of that windshield must've sounded like when they started getting pelted?

When I was in San Antonio two years ago a hail storm came through and punched holes in roofs and made car dealerships parking lots looking like a Cobra gunship made a gun run. I can't imagine flying through that at speed.

Yeh. Not a great idea to stick your head out the window during that!

in 1977 a severe hailstorm over Georgia downed Southern Airways 242. The DC-9 flew through the hailstorm and suffered damage to the windshield, but hail also knocked out power to both engines. The pilots attempted to land on a county highway, but struck a gas station while touching down. 72 people (63 on the plane, 9 on the ground) died, while 20 passengers and both flight attendants survived.

just a map with airplanes on it. the blue dash with the dots behind it is the airplane and where it was short time ago. enlarging the dots and dashes would be nice though.

It's basically what the controller sees on his screen. The markings are not labeled to reduce clutter, learning what is what is part of the training. What is shown is configurable, usually you have airway intersections, reporting points (fixes), VORs, airports and some others I can't remember at the moment. Weather radar can be added as well.

It would be hard for you to see runways hard to explain, look for circle, in center are runways, you can see dashed line leading to some runways in center of circle. Example KBIF is Fort Bliss airfield very close. KELP Elpaso is the airport, There are 3 runways 6 total directions. 2 parallel east/west plus another NE/SW runway. Do you see it now?

It's basically an airport diagram of KELP, with the runway at KBIF (Biggs Army Airfield-1.5 miles north of KELP) shown. It looks like the TRACON scope (Terminal Radar Approach Contoller), which also shows the controller the extended runway centerlines. The restricted airspace north of El Paso (for White Sands Missile Range/Holloman Air Force Base) is also shown.

I'm not a pilot, haven't even played sims but I understood the map perfectly well.

Tom Losh I highly doubt someone "proffesional" would still fly anywhere near such a storm in the first place!

I'd be going straight in for landing instead of circling, suspecting some engine damage.

The antennas may have taken a few hits, if the slight communications difficulties they had a couple times are any indication. Of course that could just be stressed out pilots not managing the radios well, but I'll forgive that since they got the aircraft safely on the ground. I know I wouldn't have done as good of a job.

Aviation Fan787 That is pretty normal for a hail designed aircraft.. The composite is supposed to let the radar signal through it so it is actually pretty thin.

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As said by the other guy, training, skill, and technology. And I heard from a Mentour Pilot or Captain Joe video that if they can't see anything from the windshield they might need to open the window and stick their head out.

Elang Lugito joe made that video...

DLB19901107 If they airport has a CAT III ILS approach the airplane can literally complete the full landing itself. Now just to be clear I can’t got and have my Cessna do that, but a million dollar airbus or Boeing with the right systems and autopilots can.

Crew will have these pictures to show their grandchildren! A little bragging rights for Grandpa!

relevant "stick your head out the window" video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mqt9lqdet72laXU.html

JohnnyG sometimes when weather is very bad, especially hail, the radar is unable to detect it because of what's called attenuation. Look up radar attenuation or weather attenuation. They thought they turned for a clear spot which was actually hail covered in rain. Wet hail is nearly impossible to detect with many radar systems.

That whole area should have been avoided. Large storms like that should be given a 20 nautical mile berth flying around it. These guys were inside of it! No, this is not what should have happened. Dry hail has less reflectivity than rain so the pilots could have been avoiding the heavy reflectivity areas (in red) and flew towards green or yellow and got smashed with hail. Going back to my 20 nm berth point - this is exactly why you should give these storms a wide berth from ALL reflectivity (including green) and not just avoid the red areas.

Sccratlanta it looks like they tried. Not so successful. As I said, they shouldn’t have done that. They should have avoided the entire storm area. Going into that storm is like flipping a dice because you can’t get a full picture of the storm using airborne radar so you may be flying into a trap.

A very similar thing happened to a Delta A320 a couple years ago over the northern midwest. They were about the shoot through a gap in the storms, but the storm built up in front of them too fast for them to beat it. I suspect this incident was similar.

Therion018 what I’m pointing out is that this is a screw up. This is not normal. They shouldn’t have done it. Shooting between storms is not something you “try” to do to see how it goes. It’s something you avoid because you cause significant damage to the aircraft and potentially people will be injured. This is not something to be viewed as “ah crap, the weather just got the best of them”. No. We know this can happen and pilots are educated to fly around storms by 20 nm for these exact reasons.