what the Australians, Americans and English are doing against France is just scandalous, a dagger in the back, after 10 years of development. Frankly, I'm ashamed. it's something we'll pay for, you don't betray your allies that way.

I think that the feeling of betrayal felt in France is not mainly due to the loss of the submarine contract. For several years, France has been implementing a defense policy in the Indo-Pacific based on its relations of trust with Australia. The two countries have a common history rich in sacrifices. Nobody in France has forgotten the Australian Expeditionary Force during the 1st World War and the blood shed on the Turkish coasts. What stunned France was the emergence without consultation of an alliance that excluded France and destroyed its efforts to secure its territories in the Indo-Pacific and its defense policy in this strategic area. The betrayal is there according to us (yes I am French which explains my poor English ...) Australia has isolated France and I will find it justified tomorrow, in the event of a problem, to send you back to your allies for whom business as usual is the rule. I think you broke much more than a contract, a trust that we thought was mutual... and that exlain our reactions. Now which country has the best submarine I don't know... It's a world of secrets and much smarter than me the one who pretends to answer it. I'm not sure that's the question ...

Barracuda (or Suffren) class are nuclear powered boats, Australia requested a specific diesel powered version that didn't exist and it was adamant they had to be made in Australia. And of course, it ends up buying US nuclear ones off the shelf... what was the point of the tender again?

The only great thing about this channel is the sound tracks are lit

Pakistan has worlds best flying submarine.

Why did the Australians order a french from origin nuclear design boat to convert it in a diesel electric one? Just to break the deal and order a nuclear sub from the Americans. Was it to easy to order a nuclear boat from the beginning?

Only 7 countries have nuclear powered submarines with Australia making it 8 when delivered - that tells you just how niche the technology involved is.

Up to now, France don't want to share its nuclear technology. Its independance is over the deal, that's why France never proposed such a nuclear submarine to Australia or any other country. As a french, I prefer this doctrine than make money but risk to get involved in too complex relationships.

The French Barracuda class is nuclear powered. The Australians were converting it, at great expense, to conventional. The scarping of the deal has nothing to do with nuclear versus conventional technology as the french subs could have been nuclear if the Australians had wanted.

Navy is first line of defence for partially landlocked countries Edits : it is major line of defence for island countries like Australia !!!!

Australia asked for non nuclear (this part of the world is a non nuclear zone) sub in 2014 that is why only Japan, Germany and France competed for the contract to supply 12 sub with diesel with fabrication in Australia. Now they change their mind so lets see where this take them.

What you ommited in your video (on purpose or not) is that the contract was initially based on conventional subs not nuclear powered. You also did not mentioned that French Barracuda shortfin is also a nuke subs. It was originally designed as a nuke subs and its conventional version is only for export purposes. In addition Suffren Class French nuke sub is actually one of the most advanced if not the most advanced submarine in the world since its conception is the most recent. Furthermore, if the real reason of all that was that Australia changed its mind and finally realised they needed non conventional subs instead of diesel powered ones, France would have been not only "delighted" to sell nuclear powered subs to Australie but also in a much faster way than UK or USA will do. Australia wanted to renew quickly its old fleet of Submarines, now they will have to wait 20 to 25 years before getting its first nuclear sub because UK and USA are not able to deliver faster!!!! So the morality of that shit is that UK and USA fucked the French government and Naval Group company and they fucked Australian government too!!! They could not admit and tolerate that France could by this sale put a foot in their zone of political and commercial influence. Especially since China has officially become the future adversary for the USA to monitor and control. And in the end, those who really get fucked very deeply are the Australians to whom they had to put a lot of pressure and above all make them fabulous promises that they knew they could not keep. So in the end, guess who's being really screwed up 😅😏🤣🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘

Australia has a right to defend itself.

You forgot a lot of major points: - Australian asked first for Diesel / electric subs - the French have nuclear powered subs too - the US has provided this techno to they UK If they Australian want nuclear sub, why not issuing a request for tender ?

That teaches the french not too trust people that came from a British penal colony 🤔🤭🤣

US subs will be delivered in 20 years. By that time who knows what China will be up to. The costs are already increasing because of US inflation rate. Fance had proposed the nuclear subs technology and was eager to transfer it, US is not. Only 8 billions euros out of 36 were going to France, the rest was dedicated to build subs factories in AU. Remeber F35 and Afghanistan ... And by the way, the chineese army has a really small budget compared to the US one, so what's the deal (again). Good luck AU...

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This video is a collection of lies: 1) the French minister NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS A STAB IN THE BACK. He exactly said: " c'est un coup dans le dos". However almost all English speaking medias translate "coup" as "stab", which is wrong. In this context, "coup" peut être traduit par blow, punch, trick BUT IN NO CASE BY STAB. A stab is a KNIFE BLOW. There is NO mention of a knife in the French minister's speech. It is not difficult to understand why the English speaking medias are spreading intentionally an erroneous translation: this is just another trick in our back. 2) The French submarines ARE nuclear_powered; it was the Aussie govt request to de-nuclearise them !

Meanwhile NZ and England choose to stay alive rather than playing Kirikit 😝😂🙊

As an indication: French nuclear-powered submarines are 3 times cheaper than those built in the United States.

Throw a couple SeaWolf class subs into the order. Need a couple Ferraris to go with the Bentleys. 😉.

If it’s going to be your last meal before your sub sinks , you better hope you had a French cook !

Frenchman here. Yes we were aggravated by this treason (sorry can't find another word) of our key allies (US, UK, OZ). Australia requested proposals for conventional subs with technology transfer and local production. Of course, technology transfer and local production cause cost increases and additional delay. Of course Australia has the right to change its mind. Today it is about purchasing foreign-made subsn (no local production whatsoever). Australia was complaining about Barracuda delays now, the contemplated date in in 2040. Australia complained about cost overruns but now it decides for a much more expensive solution (the price tag is not known yet). Virginia class has production problems (the US Navy expects more subs than the USA can produce). The Astute class has problems so much so that the entire fleet was grounded because of nuclear leaks. Is the Barracuda class perfect? Certainly not but Australia paid France for breach of contract and France exported conventional Barracuda to other countries (South America if I remember correctly). Nuclear Barracuda needs refueling every 10 years because it uses civilian grade nuclear material (not the one highly enriched that is prohibited by OZ and NZ). Lets not forget that periodic large maintenance occurs MUCH MORE OFTEN than nuclear replacement (so this is not a valid reason). BTW: France just tested its thrid brand new Nuclear Barracuda submarine (Tourvile after Dugay-Trouin and Suffren) so production is not so bad.. BTW: Astute class rely on French technology for detection of other submarines (Thales) BTW: France is now the worlds second manufacturer of weapons (yes including submarines) way ahead of the UK.

Australia did not want to have nuclear-powered submarines and that is a clear decision of Australia to build conventional submarines in the first place ... Now, they are more than happy to go for nuclear submarines and the selling pitch is that these are only nuclear-powered subs but you whats a see, next step will be, "we should have nuclear warheads on our boats, might as well. The million-dollar question is, how much is it going to cost the Australian taxpayers. I can certainly see the reasoning why France has been rather furious from all this as you don't do that to allies whether they are French, Germans, or English for that matter. (Let's hope we don't cheap away on our sovereignty as that's what makes us Australians.

You forget to metion that the Barracuda class SM has the ability to launch a transport vehicule for special operation forces - crew of 15... And that state of the art propulsion system has a very reduced nois singature.

The Yellow Submarine is the best in the world. The Beatles approves.

I have the best submarine and I should know..............I play 'Spot the Submarine' with my wife in the bath every night!

The next logical question for the Aussies is to ask the U.K. or U.S. to lease one or two sub out of their construction lines. The U.K. has the Astute line still up. The U.S. has the Virginia line still up. Both the U.K. and U.S. could take a schedule hit - extend their lines out a year or two - without major impact to their armed forces.

It's Australia's money & their interest

Still scrapping a deal and causing a breach of trust with France is unfair.

Watching this as a Frenchman in 2024 when it has become obvious that Oz won’t get its subs before who knows when, less than initially forecast, and with a price increase that would make a banker cry, knowing that the critics made then on the French deal were unsubstantiated at best. Er….we told you so?

France wanted to sell nuclear(!) submarines to Australia ten years ago, but the USA demanded, that they have to be Diesel. The redevelopment took 10 years (and a huge investment). And now USA are selling nuclear(!) submarines to Australia, which had single-sided canceled the order. I would also be angry!

Suffren Baracuda is the world's best nuclear attack Submarine,manily it's lesser in length and size as compared to other heavy Submarine.😎

The French must be wondering why Australia didn’t just order already developed French nuclear subs in the first place.

3 Russian subs couldn't detect the British Astute class when it was off in the eastern Mediterranean 3 years ago, and it slipped right past them.

Probably the most unaccurate video i have seen. Please note that australia will not see any of these nuclear submarines in australia and they will be delivered with alot of delays. Australia got the worst deal in the world for all australian tax payers !

Not problem France tehnologie , beacouse Australia looking only diesel submarine .If Australia asked nuclear power submarine french will supply nuclear . But pressure from England and America you must buy my . Different story

As always India 🇮🇳 will also be a leading player in few years Jai hind 🇮🇳

it would have been funny if the french turned around sold the weapons to china after the aussies backed out lol

Australia's treachery knows no bounds. In the end anglo blood is thicker than water. To achieve a peaceful and stable Asia-Pacific including the Tasman sea, perhaps Australia should buy Chinese nuclear submarines.😮

These are nonsense techs Imrand khan can defeat these techcraps by swimming with Chinese used underwears Also Crux forgot to mention about paxtan's solar powered submarines which paxtan army is fishing with in the Rawalpindi ocean

I guess crux forgot to mention Russia cause they have world largest akula class submarines bigger than Ohio class also they were nuclear powered

Funny.. I've never heard China threaten Australia about anything..... and if China is so much our enemy then why are we giving them primary assets ?... trading freely with them.... where are all these so called threats ?

Australia will not have submarines at all ! Neither the USA nor Great Britain are in a position to supply them with these "nuclear" submarines. And now after the betrayal of the contract with France, good luck finding another alternative! Chinese submarines perhaps?

Barracuda Can Be Switched to Diesel to Nuclear Power....But it's a Costly Affair....🧐

Suggestion for France: push for a submarine deal with India instead. They already have Scorpenes/Kalvaris in service there, so why not expand from there.

Nooo. France is angry. We are all quaking in our boots.

3:23 - the patrolling time discrepancy could be best solved by establishing forward operating bases on Manus island in the Bismarck Sea and Christmas Island, just off the coast from java. Transit distances from HMAS base Sterling in Perth to either the South China Sea or East China Sea would be cut from 3,500 nm to under a third of that. As a consequence - on station patrol time would increase from 3-4 weeks to over 2 months per deployment. No need to go nuclear for THAT.

The French Barracuda class submarine is originally a nuclear-powered vessel. Australia has uranium but doesn't have a nuclear industry like France, England, and the US. To operate a nuclear-powered submarine you need to have access to a nuclear power source. For that reason, the Australian government asked France to modify the submarines and fit them with diesel engines. If Australia wanted a better range they could have asked France to build the submarine with nuclear engines. The reason for the Australian government to cancel the french deal and have the subs built by the US is purely strategic. Getting closer to the US and therefore being protected by them is vital especially if China is becoming increasingly ambitious in the pacific region.

France complaining because someone pulled out of a deal when they had done work on it? That's novel

They've thought the ozzies where daft lads they obviously aren't

At the original signing the price was 25 billion, than the French up it to 60 billion then again to 90 billion. I live in South Australia and the agreement was also that the subs be BUILT HERE, the French agreed to that THEN CHANGED THE CONTRACT AGAIN to have the subs being built in France, Australia to do the fitting out. This totally AGAINST the original contract. France can go suck its own thumbs and whatever else it wishes. France never keeps to its agreed contracts so TOUGH.

America ,British, French who has the best submarine Me: Russians

Well China is Happy 😁

France did the same thing to Russia. Payback is a .....

Why do you try to compare 2 so different contract French Where ask for one thing and Australia now wants something totally different to the yanks the french could also have delivered if Australia had made this demand But all this was a a crook story from corrupt politiciens on back

The UK submarine's depth is up to 500m. the French and Germans are in the 300'sm. The French nuclear reactor needs refueling every 7 years, Whereas the UK and US do not need it. The life of the engines in this video is 25 years. But in the naval video, it is 35 years and does not need any refueling.

France could have built nuclear powered submarine for Australia, but back in 2016 Australian government did not want to precisely because it's nuclear powered

Astute class from Britian are very good

Life time of us UK whales is 25 No refueling requirement That of French is after 10 yrs means 2 time charge up requirement .But that's not even bad

If someone has the best submarine in the world is is because they don’t broadcast having it ….!

The australia betrayal was the wrong decision on every level. If the Australians were unhappy with the original deal, they could have upgraded the deal to air-independent submarines for submerged endurance. Air-independent submarines can stay submerged for weeks at a time, making them very similar to nuclear powered submarines. That upgrade would give them the underwater endurance that they seem now to want, and there would be no question of any nuclear technology being spread, and you would maintain the deal with France.

Australia choosed to buy 12 diesel barracuda and canceled it because "they want nuclear"... An you put the specs of the nuclear powered french barracuda because it exist in diesel and nuclear... Try to do same thing when you order your next diesel mercedes and after, buy a brain.

You will only get subs in 20 to 40 years time , and that will not stop China (if still around) and would USA be prepared to a "nuc" war ?lolo

I saw a picture of the dock hall in Barrow-in-Furness, UK with 3 astute class all under construction together. Should be able to help the Aussies out.

Very good decision by australian government .

Beautiful technology

They could buy both. From France diesel Baraccuda, and from US nuclear

1.43 Actually the idea was to build a proven design from Japan, but erasing a political rival's legacy and paying back a political ally was a better use of other people's money.

I think it's USA right now. Let's wait and see what India + France together can do. France said they would build the world's best submarine, now only time will decide how strong their words are.

Less ominous music and a narration from an informed voice would improve you videos.

It should be mention the 90 billion is Australian dollars not US dollars. The Virginian class is about to receive a upgrade making them longer and heavier to about 10,000 tons. I wonder if the Australians will get the upgraded boats if they receive the Virginian class boats?

The world’s best deep diver is the whale, diving to 3,000 meters. The best submarines dive to less than 1,000 meter.

The fact that the fuel in us and uk submarines last a « lifetime » is actually not an advantage but a disadvantage.First it raises some issue about the non-proliferation, since it is highly enriched military grade uranium and Australia doesn’t have nuclear weapons.Second, what is a « lifetime »?25 years, 30 years?Who in their right mind can seriously believe those boats will be retired in that timeframe?If you look at history, most subs soldier on for longer simply because building them is difficult and expensive.Especially for Australia.What will happen then?Even if the reactors of the french submarine need to be refuelled every 10 years, this would likely have be handled easily by Australia with some technical help, since it is low grade, regular uranium used in electric powerplant.

Send our Australian friends over to the UK to see how we build them for Australia using British labour with Australian apprentices/engineers to then build their own next time,meanwhile we lend them an astute class to practice with and patrol Australia.

I still would trust Macron.

The French messed that up them selves cost overruns and way behind staying with the British was the best thing for them

Well everything is all for the money, france would not be like this if its free right?

And now not even the US can furnish them with subs, AU's entirely dependent on the UK. Karma's a b* lol

Australia has the right to change her mind. It is her money. Nothing is permanent in the world. France can take it to court. Don’t be a cry baby. It shows how France is having a hard time selling its military weapons

I have Do u want it ??

So USA and UK submarine required 3 decades of refueling while France only one decade of refueling who is best

No comment about the price? I read that the US submarine is 3.5 times more expensive than the French one

I think Russian subs are the GOAT

Given that there's no spare capacity in the US or UK to provide the RAN with new-build submarines in the near future, we might see either Virginia or Astute -class boats operating from Australia, with a gradually increasing proportion of RAN personnel aboard to gain the necessary experience. At the same time, Australia's SSN support infrastructure can be developed and proven. Which ever way this goes, it's going to take a long time before the RAN has its own fleet.

The Astute isn’t “slightly faster”🙄 it’s 10 knots faster than the Virginia class subs, which have a top speed of 25 knots. And are 60% of the cost.

Like India with Russia, Australia can lease nuclear subs from both US & UK before deciding which technology is better for them.

Delay caused this change of plans.

Russia 🇷🇺 have the best submarines . NATO called the ghost !!!!!

The Chinese are the best it has created so many insecurities among the American and it's allies. They are successful in creating a rift among them. There will be a time when Americans will be on one side and the European countries on other side.

😅😂😅 USA just buy a new plane carrier... the USS Australia.... We will remember.... You will discover !

No nuclear sub is quieter than a diesel electric sub.

Why can't the Aussies try and feel for France and purchase two or three submarines to upheld their end of the agreement, even thou not for full amount requested? Just guessing there was no actual contract because wouldn't the Aussies be on the hook? So get these subs from France and give them littoral missions closer to their country, and use the nuclear powered submarines to monitor freedom of navigation international rights in the South China Sea. Saves face with an ally.

I never thought Australia might do such thing.

long term solution to a short term problem

This dude is giving me World War 3 vibes with the music

3:03 I thought the french deal was conventionally powered?? Why does this slide say “reactors” the. 😰 Anyway, the reason why FR is brooding is because AU didn’t ask. They could have provided them with French made subs too but instead unilaterally junked the conventionally powered sub deal for a nuclear powered one from either UK or US. So I can understand why FR is frothing at its mouth now. 😢 i would too if I were FR. Philippines 🇵🇭 🙋🏻‍♂️ can be a willing recipient of these french subs if the price is right though 😅

You may have the best of everything like the USA Yet you escape by the backdoor …cowardly leaving a nation that relied on u for 20+ years in jeopardy What we need is a strategy to build a peaceful world Who has this? None of us😂

There's an old joke about Canada, that they could have had American technology, British Culture, and French cuisine, and instead wound up with American culture, British cuisine, and French technology. I don't know how true that actually is, and I know this is about Australia, but it does make a statement about French technology--many of you immediately laughed when you read that. I think after France jacked up the price for DIESEL/ELECTRIC and demanded to make the subs in France instead of Australia, Australia decided it wasn't worth it for French technology. I'm sure it's much better than say--Chinese technology (which is mostly copied), but of the three--American, British or French--which would you rather have?

Well France got Abit of its own medicine now didn't they