It's something that unless you lived through it you can never understand what it was like.

Your best American reference would be the 1979 'The Warrior's' movie

Something said in the 80s, "I went to a riot and a football match broke out"

Ecstasy, played a part in how football hooliganism went down then. People were hugging each other rather than fighting.

We’re an island race,we like to fight as our history shows.

“What is this a painting?” Nah mate that’s an actual photo from the 1700s

not true about unemployment and hooligans. some of them had respectable, well paid jobs, like in banks, investment firms etc. they had houses, wives/girlfriends, and kids. different age groups too, right up to some in their 40's and 50's

In recent years on social media there’s been meetings between rival gangs to meet somewhere to have the fight before/after a game.

I’ve been going to football since 1982 & have never been involved in any football violence. But rather surreally, my brother used to live in San Diego & me & a mate went to visit him in 1995 (I would have been 23) & we went to watch an indoor friendly ‘soccer’ match which was basically like a 6-a-side game on a ice hockey rink which had astroturf put on top of the ice. They kept annoyingly stopping the clock at every opportunity & we sat there drinking, not supporting either team & the game got to literally 3 seconds left (with the clock stopped) when one supporter climbed the boards to one of the teams subs bench & started throwing fists! With that the players retaliated & more supporters got involved, we just sat there with our beers laughing our heads off that we’d travelled all that way & we get to see football violence at what was effectively a friendly game with no away supporters with literally 3 seconds left of the game.

The Firm is worth a watch not least because it stars Gary Oldman in an earlyish role at his maniacal mood swinging best. Wiki says - 'Tom Dawson in The List reported that it "is widely considered to be the toughest and most insightful screen depiction of football hooligans"'

The worst ruck I’ve been involved in was against Forest a couple of years ago. A few of them decided to sneak into the home end and sit amongst the County lot. Let’s just say they ended up regretting that decision

It still happens at most matches but it’s mostly done away from the crowds and police now so it doesn’t get reported as much which gives the impression it isn’t around anymore but it is

Football: a gentleman's sport played by thugs Rugby: a thuggish sport played by gentlemen.

You can all hate me but I’m proud to say my dad was part of that Leeds mob that day MOT💪🏻😂

25:20 That film is called The Firm. The fella in the blue tracksuit is also in Peaky Blinders and features in Top Boy.

I'm watching this after Emracethesuck21 potatoe. I also found you through McJibbin when Top Gear was doing the rounds.you three are the current trifecta my viewing.

I appreciate your open, fresh take on British stuff.

They Heysel stadium disaster was in part due to UEFA , they chose for the final to be played in a decrepit stadium, they didn't control the ticket sales so Juve fans were put next to Liverpool fans and the Juve fans were throwing things at the Liverpool fans which lead them to be charged and the wall collapse. I am not condoning what happened but there is more to the story than is made out. Similarly when Liverpool recently played Real Madrid in the Champions league final in Paris, it was mismanagement and poor policing that lead to peaceful Liverpool supporters being attacked and then blamed for what happened before the obvious truth came out that the Paris police mismanaged the situation as did UEFA and the attackers were not even RM or Liverpool fans but over 1000 migrant criminals who chose a poorly policed match to rob people and sexually abuse women.

I think we have much worse to deal with than football hooligans now.

for those involved no explanation is needed, for those who are not no explanation is possible

When you've had your head kicked in by them when you where just minding your own business you'll understand. The idea that they have some kind of code and only attack other hooligans is BS.

I used to drink in a pub close to a stadium. When the game finished the manager would bolt the doors, shut the curtains, turn the music off and we would all sit and silently drink, listening to the mob bang on the door and windows.

Crazy dayz. Loved it.

Growing up in Australia, I was pretty talented at the sport and started playing at a competitive mens league level at 14 years old in the 90's. A few of the guys on my team had to get out of the UK because they were either involved or got caught up in football violence and Australia was the one-way ticket out of quite a few problems, including these. They're all really nice blokes though and people from the UK when abroad tend to soften up and embrace each other, regardless of where they are from. The ultra-local tribalism goes out the window but there is still plenty of banter over some pints of beer. Some of the remaining homemade tatoos over the knuckles like 'Leeds' and 'HATE' were pretty classic echoes to the past though. It seems like even kids not involved in football violence were up to no good in the 1980s - there was another guy who as a teenager used to brew his own beer and exclusively sell it to the local skin-head neo-nazis purely for profit motivation, as he had nothing to do with the ideology at all but saw an opportunity. Talented people were getting wrapped up in silly stuff like this, instead of focussing on bigger priorities, but that was also influenced by pop culture back then too. You used to hear some pretty good stories in the bar about away trips to Millwall and hire busses being torched in the car park, while away fans were detained within the stadium by the police for 2 hours after the match for their own protection. I think the 70's and 80's were a bit of a rough and a confused time for a lot of people in Britain. The economy wasn't good, industries were failing and people were struggling to establish proper goals or find meaning in their lives. A lot of that unfortunately continues to today though, with towns and cites based upon single industries that no longer exist. The problem seems to manifest more now in substance addiction unfortunately. The only job my friend could get as a 15 year old after leaving school in the 80's was picking potatos in a field for next to nothing, despite living in a major city. Social policy was at an interesting cross-roads and they had horrible council housing circumstances. I could see that all of the guys still loved most things from back home, but they really embraced the new lease on life and opportunity that living in Australia provided. I think it would have been better for more people in these circumstances to have escaped that environment and to have tried to turn over a new leaf somewhere further away with more opportunity and fewer poor influences.

Employed or unemployed, it doesn't really matter as the main motivating factor is boredom and most jobs are even more boring than unemployment. I was never a full-on hoolie. I thought I was when I was, like, 15, but by the time I was big enough to properly get involved, I'd also grown up a bit. Still, I would get into rows now and then and it was exciting. That's the bottom line. I get the whole group-identity, camaraderie thing but I think for most of us, Saturday's, especially every other Saturday, when we were away from home, were the most exciting day of our week, regardless of whether we had jobs or not or if we were still at school or not.

Hooliganism started in England because English people like to fight, that's the truth of it.

David Ike as the news reporter there 👽🛸

i don't think all the football hooligans were unemployed some had good jobs in the city, and millwall had youngsters as lookouts known as F troupe.

@18:19, " Turned into a riot that destroyed Luton" Behave, they did £3m worth of improvements

In the town where I live they decided to bring all the away fans in on a special train, then the police would be at the station to meet it and would have hundreds of police lining the route to the ground. They would march them all to the ground, and then do the reverse after the match. It was very effective too, as most of the hooligans were stopped from causing trouble around the town. The only violence that would happen was by those who weren't allowed into the ground, because of banning orders etc, who would travel in separately for arranged fights somewhere. The police would monitor those who they knew about and then try and put a stop to those too. Then the way fans travelling in on the train smashed it up, so British Rail refused to run them any longer. After that every time we were playing at home it was like a running battle field, especially if we were playing one of our local rivals. It's a lot better these days, but we still have the odd match where there's loads of trouble, with running pitched battles happening throughout the town. Once again though, it's only when playing certain local teams!!!!!

Is this a painting? In the 14th century. No mate,it was an early Polaroid photo.

The match in 1317 was between Forest Green Rovers and Bristol Rovers, both from The West Country. Bristol was in Blue and White chequered squares and now 800 years later they play into in Blue and White Halves. The character played by Nick Frost wears one in much of the film: "Hot Fuzz" with Simon Pegg..

Sunderland v Newcastle play each other this weekend and is a game where it could highly kick off between the fans

most matches were like this... and now its not as publicised but more organised away from the grounds

Code of conduct too. I was 6yrs old and it all kicked off at a lot of Manchester United games in those early 1980s. Dad would pick me up and the fighting nearest us would stop to allow through...... then resume😂

Mass hooligan incidents are much rarer now than in the 80's due to a lot of factors including tighter police control around away fans. Running onto a pitch can get you a significant fine and probably a lifetime ban from any football ground.

😆The Millwall v West Ham rivalry was one of the most fierce (if not the most fierce) in the UK. Fans from both sides have lost their lives. There are/were KZfaq videos knocking about on this.

I.D (1995) Another movie to watch

When you're young in your teenage years, growing a little bit of muscle, the excitement and the buzz pulled you in. In my day it was thousands against thousands, the adrenaline and the fear was unlike anything else but you lived it from week to week. It wasn't great going up north but it was just as bad travelling on the tube in London on a match day, especially when Millwall would just travel the circle line doing everybody they saw.

There are other films that cover football hooliganism besides the 3 mentioned. I'm testing my memory, so I can't name them all off the top of my head. I clearly remember that Rise of the Footsoldier simultaneously covered the hooligan activities of members of the Essex gang (West Ham Inter City Firm) who eventually were mysteriously killed in the countryside (there are several movies focussing on the Rettendon Murders aspect too due to it being unsolved and a number of conspiracy theories - another interesting aspect worth looking into), told through the eyes of Carlton Leach, who was an integral member of the gang. He still somehow managed to survive the whole affair. Of all of them, I thought Green Street was the most plastic/fake, as it was fictionally written about a non-existent team and used Elijah Wood to try to initiate the modern/ international audience to the general concepts, but it wasn't as authentic as some of the films actually written based upon factual accounts and real people and events. I don't think it was even set in the right era to do the subject justice. I would actually score Rise of the Footsoldier higher, but it is 6.8 on IMDB. The Firm was the film you hadn't seen in this clip - it was a 2009 remake of a BBC drama from 1989. I liked that movie too. Some others that I know of are Awaydays, Cass and ID. I've seen Cass and that was really good too, as it was based on his autobiography. The Govnors is another film about fictional members of a legendary football firm reuniting to expunge crime in the area that was starting to tread on their toes. I recall it was a fairly entertaining take on what some of these people might be up to today. I'm sure there are others but that's all I can recall for now. I know there are some lower budget and possibly more recent efforts covering the genre, but I gather they aren't worth most people's time.

There are 2 movies called the firm the earlier one starred Gary old an the clip you say is the later one made around 2012 well worth a watch

The worst in the 80s was the use of craft knives they were used to slash and caused horrific wounds.

Read the book Service Crew by Caroline Gall, a story of Leeds United Service Crew, Fights were very much organised by the main boys of opposing teams. Fights were maticulously planned out.

I miss those days when travelling fan's would come to a pub me and my friends would drink sometimes we'd have a good scrap and with some other fans we'd have a good laugh and a good piss up..

In Tudor times, towns across the length and breadth of Britain; would battle it out against a rival town with a football and armed with swords. No elders to keep youngsters "in check" tensions and fights are going to break out. Those who wear the casuals normally get arrested first and banned from going to games (sometimes for Life)

To be fair it improved the appearance of Luton. 🤣🤣🤣

My dad didn't go to a match for over 25 years after becoming trapped in the toilets while city and rovers had a fight outside. This was in the 80s.

King Boomer, you should watch Cass. A film about Cass Pennant . His life in the I.C.F firm .

You should check out a film called I'd, about a under cover cop and football hooligans and the firm 1988 film

You should watch the film "The Football Factory" and do a reaction to it. Brilliant film and quite funny to.

I've never really supported any team (apart from when there are good odds and I have a bet on), but a very good friend of mine, born in the east end, has been West Ham all his life, and he takes it very seriously indeed, with West Ham tattoos on both his forearms. He now lives in the West Country, and even there, if he's going to an urban pub, he wears long sleeves just in case someone takes exception to his choice of team. I spent a year in Russia in the early 90s as part of my degree, and the predominant reaction from normal Russians when they learnt I was English rather than American, was to warn everyone around them about the 'English football hooligan' in their midst. I found it rather comical, given that despite being 6'3" and pretty fit at the time, most of the Russians were waaay tougher than any football hooligan and could have wiped the floor with me at will!

We used to call them CRUSADES

😮 ETS and Mcjibbin but no EB. For shame sir, for shame 😂

Hooliganism has a tendency to mix with other divisions between fans, which make the clashes worse. In games within countries its usually political beliefs, historical rivarlies between teams or areas, while on the international stage (national teams) its mixed with historical and religious hatred. Ultras when not fighting can really create an atmosphere to a game with their chants, songs, flares and banners. The problems arise when things get out of control

11.21 David Icke rading sports news pmsl

too say the older folks stopped going is no strictly true, in many firms there were many older guys

There are a lot of very young people who still don't work and are just in a teen rampage, the older ones usually are working class people who just release tension froma routine shitty job. Plus there is the identitty motivation that regards every age group. These are just generalizations but there is truth to it.

You should check out the book Albion, Albion a dystopian UK run by soccer hooligans.

In the london borough where i was born, in the old days the big families unofficially controlled the place, with the senior men of the families - which were often inter-married - being the final court of justice for locals. If someone was getting out of line you’d talk to those guys. And the men of the families would sort the problem out - backed by the authority of the families, who could enforce any ‘ruling’ with potential violent enforcement by many men from the families Those guys were usually tradesmen and labourers. Just as importantly, their main interests were the pub and boxing. Boxing was like a rite of passage. And a lot of these guys had no hesitation in stepping outside for a fight. These are guys who wore three piece suits as their daily dress when they werent working. And most of them of the last generations served in ww1 and ww2. My grandfather was one of the last of them and he was a giant of a man who loved punching people. As were his brothers. But my granddad never punched anyone who hadnt been deemed to be out of order or who hadnt agreed to a fight. My granddad even warned the kray twins off our area (he knew charlie, which helped communications. Ironically, one of my cousins was a psychiatric nurse and had Ronnie as one of his clients in Broadmoor). The thing about the men of these families is that most of them had no interest in violence itself or tribalism. They were just unofficially policing their communities. Most of them spent their lives at work, at boxing gyms, sports, at the pub, or with their families. They were casually violent and violence wasn’t very familiar to them but they werent viciously violent. They attended their local team games but most teams back then included members of the community (two of my uncles played for our local team thats now in the oremier division) My dad did his military service in the 50s - where he saw active service and was a regimental boxing champion - and later moved to australia with my mum and us kids. As immigrants moved into our area in london most of the families moved out and the control that the big families had basically disintegrated, allowing young idiots to do whatever they wanted. The key problem was the atomisation of british society, caused by a number of factors. And the national front was a direct result of those factors. The problem of football hooliganism was basically solved by atomising british society even further so that even hooligans couldnt organise as well. British society has clearly devolved since then, and thats quite sad.

This weekend we have the third round of the FA Cup which is our major cup competition. It has thrown up a potentially explosive tie where Newcastle are visiting Sunderland. This is a big Derby/Rivalry game (remember the Adam Johnston chants, they were Newcastle fans singing those because he was a player with Sunderland) as they are around 15 miles from each other. The news this week is that Sunderland set up a 'Newcastle' zone in their ground, The Stadium of Light with pro-Newcastle and anti Sunderland slogans put up within the stadium. As you can imagine, this has gone down like a lead balloon with the club having to apologise and a lot of Sunderland fans wanting to sack the board. The game is set to take place at lunchtime tomorrow (Saturday) and the police have set up an almost military operation to get the Newcastle fans to the game. There will be around 6,000 geordies visiting and they have been told they will be bussed in from Newcastle and that they will not be able to make their own way there. Tickets will be supplied to them when they get off the buses. Hopefully all will go well.

You could directly compare football firms to Biker gangs without the Bikes…

I agree, its down to unemployment, exactly how Irish faction fighting started and continued

You should watch the original firm starring Gary oldman a classic

They think they're hard men. But they get moist over their favourite players kicking some inflated leather around a park. They're like cops... brave in a group, nothing on their own.

Football Factory is a great movie. You have got to be in a certain age bracket to understand these types of movies. Ie 50 to 60 years old.

Some of my closest friends are friends I've made after a ruck..lived next door to one of the top boys from a rival firm for years and we are great friends away from the football...

Did you not notice David Icke? (or don't you know who he is?) Not sure you got the jist of it! The 70's there was pretty much full employment and a rigid Pub culture, everyone under 25 spent most nights in the pub (it's just where you went out to) lots of young men drinking all the time back when people worked 5 days a week (shops were closed on Sundays back then) and most of the young were in manual jobs, that left you Saturday (Pubs were open between 10:30am - 2:30pm reopened at 5:30 - 11.00) football being at 3:00pm was when the pub was shut and it opened after the football so everyone went to football, when you knew you had limited time for drinking you drunk beer quicker which means you got drunk earlier in the day, then it becomes Tribal, Northerners coming down South to try to take over a local pub on your 'Turf' was not tolerated and so it began, gangs got bigger as people would arrange to meet in particular pubs etc etc I been going to football since 1974 (home) & Away games since 1978, still go home & away today and am a Season Ticket Holder of the same club, it's very different today, it's better, but back in the day it's what happened and was part of 'growing up' today we see the young running around the streets with Swords and Machetes killing each other, back then it was just fists

Why do you think that they don’t tell you where you sit until you’re there? The ticket will say your seat number when you buy it. If you’re going with your team to an away game then you’re all sat in one end of the stadium, then people just sit wherever most of the time

In some cases you are right, but vast majority of football firms or groups members are employed, it's not cheap to travel all over country and continent to watch football. I think that group mentality is the key and the individual inclination towards violence. But important thing to note is that riots and violence don't happen every day or even every game, so most of the time you and the boys go on a few beers, go to a game, sing your harts out, jump, scream and yell, win or lose, celebrate or grieve and every now and then you get in to a violent situation with either opposing fans or police... When you are teenager, 14-15-16 years old you start going to games with your friends, at that age violence is cool, and if situation arises and you don't participate, you are seen as a coward, so the guys who don't have that in them fall out in that period, after that in early 20's most people stop participating as they have grown out of it, it's too time consuming, too expensive, you already had a few run ins with the police and the law, then those who are still at it usually get out when they get married and get kids, and of course there is a small number that prevails in to their 40's and 50's until they get too old... But in general the hooliganism and sport violence is very complex, you have so many variables and circumstances, so many different cities, countries and continents with different cultures and social, economical and political factors that I don't think there can be one answer to the question of why it happens or even how it happens...

Nice to see David Icke before he became King of the Lizard people.

Yea king boomer I recommend ultras our way of life I don't agree with the violence side but the flares and fireworks shows they do in stadiums are amazing love your vids king queen and princess Boomer

Island mentality from thousands of years of wars and violece.... unfortunately its in our genes for a lot of us. Me and many others would just call it being proud to be English! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿💪 The film is called 'the firm' its got Arthur Shelby from peaky blinders in it.

Fighting is in the British DNA, it's not about unemployment

You should watch the hooligan factory…it’s a proper throw down on the culture

That movie ‘The Firm’ is a poor, pointless reproduction of the 1988 TV one off starring Gary Oldman. Who is a married with a kid, 30 year old successful Estate Agent (Real Estate, selling houses) who still has his youthful ‘hobby’ and friends.

Millwall vs Luton? Worst town on earth vs biggest wankers ever, what a game

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Porter from suicde squad lol 😂😂😂

You need to watch a film called,Cass

nothing to do with nothing to do, a typical british hooligan especially in the late 90s was a married general working man just up for a bit of ruckus at a weekend to vent his anger

Trust me you don't want anything to compare it too. I went all over the country watching avfc it was a nightmare especially aston villa vs Birmingham City.

Love mcjibbin

even if you had that energy to use it positiveley back in the 90s it was wasted and didnt go anywhere coming out of recession the uk in a mess

You should watch "Rita, Sue & Bob too" to see the kind of "culture" that was prevalent just about everywhere in the UK at that time.

please also checkout '17 Biggest Derbies in English Football'

Kicky ball for the children.

The chav subculture is a good video of his

If you're wondering why the British journalist called it 'Soccer' it's because soccer is short for 'Association Football' which is what it is.

In America, you can change the team you support in the UK, thats NOT acceptable. I grew up around old firm (Celtic v Rangers) religious sectarianism. You basically have Irish Catholic vs Scottish Protestants. It's hateful. People wont go to places frequented by other fans. That comment about not getting married is real. That's the type of madness that ensues! If you want to understand this more, the Sectarianism aspect is real to this day.

Following football in the UK is like a religion.

Disgusting to talk about Hillsborough and not make it absolutely clear that it was the result of police incompetence + they tried to cover that up for years. I used to live opposite large rail station, 5 floors up, so perfect view, the police were often as bad as the hooligans, not ALWAYS - but often. I've seen horses charged through crows that I'm pretty sure were peaceful - and then all of a sudden there's violence. In my experience, the "hooligans" were certainly responsible for violence MORE often, but not always the instigators.

lots of hooligans were employed unemployment is no excuse.

Also happened on the Rugby League sceene. During the 70s, 80s, 90s seen some serious crowd violence between rival RL fans on the terraces and in the side streets. Exciting and dangerous days but we were young back then.

Id was the movie or the firm

You should react to the 1980 Scottish cup final between Celtic & R*****s & the riot after the game.

It absolutely is a brand of gang culture. Football is tribal.

I know a convicted football hooligan and he still has to hand his passport in when England play a major tournament.

What else are you gonna do on a Saturday 🎉

tickets are expesiv enow, but you could react to 'the ultras' in europe

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