Americas Modern Streetcar Obsession

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Climate and Transit

Climate and Transit

29 күн бұрын

America has often been known for its car dependency. However, there have been plenty of transit projects throughtout the years to try and reduce this. One of the most recent trends has been building streetcars in downtowns. These are fairly affordable transit projects for cities of all sizes, but have they been effective? Watch to find out more!
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@psedoali
@psedoali 27 күн бұрын
The problem with street cars is they always run in traffic and needs dedicated lanes
@kevbarnes8459
@kevbarnes8459 27 күн бұрын
Some light rail systems do this in the downtown as well
@lukfi89
@lukfi89 27 күн бұрын
When they have dedicated lanes and signal priority, this becomes a non-issue.
@psedoali
@psedoali 27 күн бұрын
@@kevbarnes8459in Portland that’s true and it will take billions to fix. Seattle has some areas where trains are at street level. But signals cut traffic off, also they built a lot of tunnels
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
Exactly, we just need to start building more dedicated lane trolleys and try to restore our lost networks. 💯
@mioszlupinski4652
@mioszlupinski4652 27 күн бұрын
That's not true, modern french style tram system mostly run along streets on separated tracks which were previously just 2 additional lanes of traffic and only interaction with cars is on intersections
@jonathanstensberg
@jonathanstensberg 27 күн бұрын
Note: with the exception of New Orleans, every legacy streetcar system in continuous operation shared a distinctive feature: tunnels or viaducts that could not be converted for buses.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
And look how popular the St. Charles line in NOLA still is. What a shame that some urbanists push for BRT with our limited funding rn instead of starting to rebuild our trolley networks! 🚃👏
@RAdaltonracer
@RAdaltonracer 19 күн бұрын
Or in Boston’s case, the fact that the Green Line was already fully integrated into the existing network as is for the bulk of the line.
@BK_718
@BK_718 16 күн бұрын
In New Orleans do they run 24/7 ?
@orthrus4490
@orthrus4490 27 күн бұрын
Something interesting (yet kinda sad) about the Dallas street car is that its route was chosen specifically to connect one of the most under-served areas in the city to downtown. It would actually be pretty great if it was extended just a little bit north, as the current terminus is literally 5 blocks away from Union Station, of which 2 light rail lines, several bus lines, and the texas eagle all join at. As it stands, the terminus is too far away for a reasonable transfer, so the street car just kind of connects an underserved part of the city to another part of the city that doesnt have much transit. Its fully separated from traffic for the most part though, and land use all throughout dallas is getting better. Maybe someone at dart will look into the untapped potential there and look at a northern extention, but for now i believe theres a bus that might fill in that gap to give the streetcar more purpose
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
#just lay the tracks and extend the system already! 😫
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
Kinda reminds me of the Delmar Loop Trolley situation here in StL. If it was extended just 2 miles east it would be in the Central West End… one of the densest and most lively neighborhoods in the Lou. Instead urbanists here want to prioritize ordering more buses before expanding the trolley system 😢
@orthrus4490
@orthrus4490 27 күн бұрын
@StLouis-yu9iz to be fair that's exactly what's happening in dallas. We're prioritizing making our frankly horrible bus system into a decent/good one. It's honestly a much higher priority here so I don't blame them for not looking at it while they've already got 2 major projects underway
@BirbarianHomeGuard
@BirbarianHomeGuard 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Obama!
@BirbarianHomeGuard
@BirbarianHomeGuard 27 күн бұрын
Instead of a hwy 99 tunnel, Seattle should have built a waterfront streetcar to service Pike Place and the ferry terminal - while filling the gap between the two disconnected lines.
@skurinski
@skurinski 27 күн бұрын
lol
@skurinski
@skurinski 27 күн бұрын
lol
@cheef825
@cheef825 27 күн бұрын
@@BirbarianHomeGuard nah the old route on alaskan was kinda mid. if ccc hadnt been canceled it woulda been far better
@ommy7672
@ommy7672 25 күн бұрын
🙄
@user-qt5cm1qf3m
@user-qt5cm1qf3m 25 күн бұрын
I hope that Philadelphia updates their streetcar system. Especially the all surface streetcar 🚊 systems.
@scpatl4now
@scpatl4now 27 күн бұрын
The thing with the Atlanta Streetcar is that what is there now is phase 1 of several future parts that are supposed to include Beltline Rail. So while it really doesn't go anywhere now and is basically more a tourist thing, in the near future (hopefully near) it will connect many different places along the beltline as well as interface directly with MARTA
@climateandtransit
@climateandtransit 27 күн бұрын
Yea it hopefully will go through and service some additional neighborhoods but leadership at Marta has me a little concerned
@scpatl4now
@scpatl4now 27 күн бұрын
@@climateandtransit More a lack of support from our (hopefully soon to be former) Mayor who ran on getting it built
@ElFlippage
@ElFlippage 26 күн бұрын
If I had a penny for every time I heard a transit agency say this and it ended up never happening...
@scpatl4now
@scpatl4now 26 күн бұрын
@@ElFlippage We'd both be able to fund it ourselves probably if we had a dime for every time...lol
@travelsofmunch1476
@travelsofmunch1476 26 күн бұрын
I want a president whose legacy Is automated elevated light metro systems
@jonathanstensberg
@jonathanstensberg 27 күн бұрын
The Milwaukee streetcar was designed around the assumption that there would be a lot more trains coming into Milwaukee Intermodal. The KRM commuter line as well as the higher-speed Hiawatha extension to Madison were both supposed to happen around the same time. The streetcar would have moved many of these riders across the CBD. These projects, however, were cancelled by the governor, and remain in the preliminary planning stages under the current governor. While the Milwaukee streetcar has routing problems that make it slow and somewhat destinationless (again, ensured by the interference of the governor), a big reason for the low ridership is the underutilization of Milwaukee Intermodal. In other words, the network effect.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
That’s the problem with almost all N.A. trolley systems… they need to be expanded to recreate the networks we used to have all over our regions. The only reason most urbanists don’t fully support them is because they aren’t bold enough to imagine reclaiming car lanes and giving them signal priority so that they are even faster than current automobiles. 👏
@nathandavidowicz3721
@nathandavidowicz3721 27 күн бұрын
Funding need to be increased for all major cities. Need predictable funding for a proper ten yar plan.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
Yes, so we can start planning how to rebuild our trolley networks! 🫶
@Electrodexify
@Electrodexify 23 күн бұрын
If the residents are willing to pay more taxes
@0smar
@0smar 27 күн бұрын
I live in a mexican city close to Arizona, and as we northern mexicans tend to replicate things americans do in their cities (for better or worse), Phoenix and Tucson are the main inspirations for everything we do here. Lately, our local goverment officials have made public their intentions to turn this city into a sustainable one. If the Sunset Streetcar and the Valley Metro LRT have created improvements regarding urban mobility, I hope we can learn one thing or two about it since we share the same climatic conditions.
@danielportillo9266
@danielportillo9266 27 күн бұрын
That's good to hear that Phoenix is inspiring more cities to bulid light rail! What city do you live in?
@0smar
@0smar 27 күн бұрын
@@danielportillo9266 Hermosillo, Sonora. I mean, there are no plans to build a LRT yet, but I hope we can reach that topic soon in the public discussion because our buses are already overcrowded and deficient. As long as our local poiliticians don't end up choosing a BRT system just to save some money, I think we'll be ok.
@danielportillo9266
@danielportillo9266 26 күн бұрын
@@0smar You guys should plan a light rail and build it. It could go to the different schools and stadiums.
@J-Bahn
@J-Bahn 27 күн бұрын
3:17 3:35 Thanks again for using my footage! I'm over the moon! This was a great video!
@peabody1976
@peabody1976 17 күн бұрын
I live in the DC area, and I'm familiar with the DC Streetcar saga. There are a LOT of issues there: 1) the track placement means that its run on H Street NW is often blocked by cars (thankfully the city is very good at towing/enforcement); 2) the speed due to track placement and lack of signal priority are continuing problems; 3) The ends of the lines are limited -- the Union Station end requires a bit of a walk to get to the Red Line Metro station (but is nicely close to the bus terminal, and the Oklahoma Ave end is nowhere near a Metro station (and needs to be). Thankfully, regional planners and the city want to extend both ends, with a big caveat... The end that would be extended west through Downtown into Georgetown requires battery operation (the federal agencies that have a say over DC refuse to allow overhead catenaries; this is odd because several European cities have tram lines through historic areas and don't worry about "spoiling the views"). The end that would be extended east would finally hit at least one Metro line (either Minnesota Avenue on the Orange Line, or Benning Road on the Blue/Silver Line). Additionally, both would need bridge rebuilds for the tracks, and of those the Union Station end is the easier since that bridge is scheduled for rebuilding very soon (within five years). I'm still hopeful. That streetcar line helped to invigorate the H Street/Atlas District corridor and provide rail access to a part of the city that hadn't had any in decades.
@kevintao1735
@kevintao1735 27 күн бұрын
Having ridden the light rail and streetcars in Seattle and Portland, my take is that the differences between the two are that light rail is "serious" about efficiently moving people (i.e. some grade separation, but when at grade, runs in dedicated lanes and has signal priority), whereas the streetcars are half-assed attempts at being a useful mode of transport. In both Seattle and Portland (and I would guess other cities, if they copied Portland's implementation), they're barely faster than walking (because they share lanes with cars and don't have signal priority), and their frequency borders on bad enough to the point I'd just choose to walk (i.e. 12-25 minute frequency vs. 10 minutes or less frequency for light rail). They're basically fancy buses, except less reliable (because they can be blocked by a poorly parked car)
@RyanValizan
@RyanValizan 22 күн бұрын
From KCMO here. I love the streetcar. It’s a huge reason I regularly forget where my car is parked. I think we’ll see the max length of the streetcar expansion to the south with the Plaza district. Any farther of a line and it will need more light rail style service or just not be feasible time wise.
@thefactspherefromportal2740
@thefactspherefromportal2740 21 күн бұрын
Pleasantly surprised to see KC's line on top! Can't wait for its extension completion
@aminsennour5571
@aminsennour5571 22 күн бұрын
Ayyyyyy, I went to school in Tucson and used the streetcar every day. It let me live off campus (4th ave) and car lite!
@sarahbezold2008
@sarahbezold2008 24 күн бұрын
The Tempe streetcar is so great. it was my first exposure to taking public transit and combining it with a kick scooter I was able to do my college commute with ease
@thebestbaseballguy
@thebestbaseballguy 19 күн бұрын
Huge Tacoma snub here. It opened in 2003, YEARS before Seattle's first modern streetcar. It has grade separation in one section, and signal priority throughout. At first, it connected two transit hubs in downtown: Tacoma Dome, with the Sounder commuter rail, and the Pierce Transit main bus station. It also serves a college campus, UWT, all of the main museums and theaters, and the convention center. Now it's been extended into the densest residential neighborhood, Stadium District, and then to the two big hospitals in Tacoma. It carried nearly 1,000,000 per year before COVID, putting it on par with Cincy and the Q line.
@futurerails8421
@futurerails8421 27 күн бұрын
Streetcars could be the main form of public transit for a city it's just that they fit this role best for cities from 50.000-750.000 inhabitants. Many eastern european cities did nearly everthing inside their cities with streetcars except for few routes in the bigger cities with heavy reail. Im talking about cities like Łódź, Riga, Tallinn or even smaller cities like for example Erfurt. Those Systems weren't even upgraded to light rail with expensive tunnels.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict 27 күн бұрын
They don’t too slow
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
The population size is almost irrelevant; it’s all about the density of said people. Many cities that are much smaller than that had successful trolley networks before. Many cities that are larger also have crucial street running rail networks (Vienna for instance). You’re right in that we don’t need grade separation to be successful, but we do need to rebuild our trolley networks to be serious about building a car free coalition in the US.
@cooltrainsinmontreal4883
@cooltrainsinmontreal4883 25 күн бұрын
The first modern LRV streetcars new built was San Diego Trolly
@kskssxoxskskss2189
@kskssxoxskskss2189 27 күн бұрын
The Cincinnati Connector has really transformed this place. But we have serious issues with our bus systems, all due to an ingrained cultural bias toward cars being better. They don't need to be, but too often they are.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict 27 күн бұрын
Maybe if your express buses were more useful this won’t be an issue.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
That’s why we need to start rebuilding our lost trolley networks, meaning we reclaim lanes from cars by protecting them with bollards and give rail signal priority. This is the best way to start reversing the ingrained cultural bias towards cars and back to transit. 🚃
@ThomasJayMeme
@ThomasJayMeme 27 күн бұрын
Arizona rise up ✊🌵
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
Why, it’s way too arid for that many people. 🤦‍♂️
@Westlander857
@Westlander857 24 күн бұрын
@@StLouis-yu9izMost of the environmental issues Arizona faces are because of large corporations, primarily in agriculture. They use 70% of our water supply. The average Arizonan uses a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the amount of water they do, even in a single day.
@Westlander857
@Westlander857 24 күн бұрын
Based and cactus pilled 🌵
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 23 күн бұрын
@@Westlander857 so you’d rather live in a desert than our country grow its own food? Got it 🤦‍♂️
@Nam3y123
@Nam3y123 27 күн бұрын
Portland native here. I tend to have mixed thoughts on the streetcar, since it is one of the slower transit modes through an infamously slow downtown. However, the NS Line runs between my two favorite neighborhoods, and arguably is the reason those two neighborhoods are as good as they are. (Not even arguably for the southern terminus in South Waterfront, it's a high-density neighborhood designed around the streetcar)
@railsand
@railsand 27 күн бұрын
cincinnati streetcar mentioned deploy the vikky
@definitelynotacrab7651
@definitelynotacrab7651 22 күн бұрын
The Hop would be so much better if they just gave it signal priority.
@arsensaruhanyan5366
@arsensaruhanyan5366 27 күн бұрын
The biggest issue with streetcars is that they don’t have any priority most of the time. No signal priority and no dedicated lanes. They run as if they are cars, weaving through different lanes in order to accommodate turning lanes for cars and parking. Oh, and they’re often running on the side of the road surface, right next to parking or sidewalks, meaning they have more potential conflict points with pedestrians and parked vehicles.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
I agree, that’s part of the reason we need to use the term trolley again instead of streetcar because they should not be in the same lane with them ever. Automobiles can definitely afford to give up some of their space of the roads for dedicated trolley tracks. 💯 As for the potential conflict with pedestrians, not sure why everyone is so caught up on this; it’s not like cars don’t ever conflict with pedestrians right now or anything 🤦‍♂️
@JULYXXIV
@JULYXXIV 25 күн бұрын
Kansas City is currently expanding its streetcar lines both north and south. The southern, or Main Street Expansion, adds 3.5 miles and 15 stops along the Main Street corridor from Pershing Blvd. to UMKC. This leg of the expansion is slated to be completed next year, but they have already made significant progress. Many major intersections along the route have had their traffic signals completely replaced or are in the early stages of installation. As for the Riverfront Extension, groundbreaking occurred just three months (as of today, June 13, 2024) and added 0.7 miles to the current line, running mainly along Berkeley Riverfront Pkwy.
@nicocorbo4153
@nicocorbo4153 27 күн бұрын
tampa streetcar sure is cute though. i love the beer can building in downtown
@SeaBassTian
@SeaBassTian 23 күн бұрын
I've visited quite a few of these cities and have ridden a few of these systems. They're a great resource for tourists staying downtown who want to travel around relatively quickly. In particular, the KC streetcar was convenient with frequent service. However, as others have mentioned, most don't have signal priority and the Q line was stalled once while I was riding it because of a car blocking the tracks. So yeah they do have some challenges but fun to ride!
@STUDIOHUSKY1996
@STUDIOHUSKY1996 27 күн бұрын
I'm glad to hear you talk about Portland, as since I grew up here, it's obviously the first example that came to mind! Though, as a local, I wanted to give a little more context to anyone who was interested. The MAX Light Rail (short for Metropolitan Area Express) was opened in 1986 with what is now the Blue Line (the system originally known as a whole as the Banfield Light Rail Project), this system actually being the third of it's generation. It runs similar to a Stadtbahn in East Multnomah County (past I-205) and in Downtown Portland, and it runs as a sort of express-style railway along the Banfield Freeway. And while it still sort of runs as a Stadtbahn here and there on most of it's lines, TriMet has been diverting away from that and trying to make the MAX more of a cheap version of a Light Metro. The Portland Streetcar on the other hand is exactly what it says it is. It's a streetcar that runs around Portland, and occasionally has some cool stuff like dedicated Right Of Way's and Transit Signal Priority. Though, obviously the MAX takes first precedent. Hope this helps!
@DowLazenby
@DowLazenby 18 күн бұрын
I like the streetcar in downtown to bring back historic to ride around the city
@thatgoodpain
@thatgoodpain 18 күн бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention the red line in Houston. It connects downtown to the medical center and wow it gets crazy busy around 9am and 5pm. I'm talking packed like sardines busy.
@climateandtransit
@climateandtransit 18 күн бұрын
It’s not quite a streetcar actually it’s more of an actual light rail service! But it is quite effective and needs expansion!
@chrispontani6059
@chrispontani6059 25 күн бұрын
There’s very few applications where modern streetcar lines can be implemented in rail-mature top-tier cities, since if a corridor is good enough for rail, just build another line to your existing system compatible with existing rolling stock (especially if it’s being done downtown). I hate street-running as you wind with a line (or segment thereof) that’s as slow as a bus, has similar capacity as a bus, and costs multiple times the price of a bus. In midsized cities it may be a starting point for building a rail network.
@ttopero
@ttopero 26 күн бұрын
I agree with most of what you said here. Complimentary to existing transit is important for most successful lines. Not planning for expansion is a critical error in my opinion as the popularity & demand grows without being able to add more cars to a consist, recognizing that operator shortages will continue to plague the industry. I’d love to see some videos of successful areas that got redeveloped and/or improved BECAUSE of the addition of the streetcar AND because the city made it desirable to redevelop true TOD. Portland is the city that comes to mind immediately with the South Waterfront development having virtually no videos on KZfaq about its transformation.
@avibarr2751
@avibarr2751 26 күн бұрын
4:13 I have to defend the Dallas streetcar. It is the only rail connection from downtown to the Bishop Arts district, one of the most popular neighborhoods in the city. When I was in Dallas in July I used it a lot, and there were always a number of other people on it too
@crazyoncoffee
@crazyoncoffee 23 күн бұрын
0:07 you caught my local bus line in the background there lol
@garretthoie6542
@garretthoie6542 25 күн бұрын
The Omaha streetcar system has the potential to be an extremely interesting network, particularly with an extension proposed into neighboring Council Bluffs, Iowa that would largely run on its own right of way with a parallel bike trail
@alejandrocervantes1527
@alejandrocervantes1527 26 күн бұрын
Milwaukee streetcar will be very useful when it expands into the city more it’s only downtown rn but goes to main spot’s downtown and is free 😊
@jacobhalladay-glynn4070
@jacobhalladay-glynn4070 24 күн бұрын
I LOVE HAPPY CAT thank you for using it at the beginning of your video
@reilandeubank
@reilandeubank 22 күн бұрын
KC's streetcar is nice, and although it can be a bit of a novelty it was genuinely cool talking to people that obviously have never relied on public transit in their life and hearing them be excited about riding it. KC is very far along in the expansion right now, its about a 4-5 mile expansion down main street, connecting one of the most popular shopping areas (Country Club Plaza), the KC Art Museum, and UMKC. The expansion has farther stop spacing (which will be necessary because Main is a little more sparse between those areas) and is already most of the way through construction. RideKC is saying itll be open for riders in 2025, and I am surprised it will take even that long considering the tracks are almost entirely laid for the full length of the extension, basically the only construction left to complete is redoing the roads around where the tracks have been put in In addition, looking at some of the stop renderings, it seems that down by UMKC (the southern tip of the extension) the tracks may actually be off street.
@todgod
@todgod 22 күн бұрын
Huh, today I learned that Little Rock has a streetcar line. Great content as always!
@breadgod7426
@breadgod7426 24 күн бұрын
honestly i feel like streetcars are way more visible and easy to use than busses. Busses are loud, theres usually barely any signage, and its hard to navigate. When in a streetcar, the ride is usually smooth, there is a lot more sinage and its very clear and very mappable compared to busses. i honestly wish there were more streetcars than busses but also more light rail and heavy rail too
@bryanCJC2105
@bryanCJC2105 27 күн бұрын
The main problem with many US downtown streetcars was that they weren't built to solve a transportation problem. They were built solely to attract residents to go downtown and unless the downtown is already vibrant with plenty to do, few are going to use it. A streetcar alone can't revitalize a downtown and becomes a financial drain on the city. Revitalization takes good policy. A streetcar is an expensive substitute for poor city policies. A streetcar's main differentiator is that it can accommodate far more people than a bus with faster service without the grade separation of light rail. A streetcar can serve very busy corridors that buses alone can't handle without overcrowding. A dedicated at-grade ROW is essential to provide faster service to move the higher number of people. This way, a streetcar can do some heavy lifting for a city's transit system instead of being a very expensive novelty line. Without the dedicated ROW, a streetcar isn't any better than a bus. A streetcar line that barely carries no more people than a city's typical bus route is a waste of money. The Salt Lake City streetcar carries 1,100 people/day, barely 1/3 of SLC's busier bus lines (and less than half of the bus it parallels 1/2 block away). SLC's light rail lines carry between 15-25,000/day and their busiest bus lines about 3,500/day. A streetcar would fit in between those two modes. The S line was forecasted to carry 2,000/day, which still doesn't warrant a streetcar and tells me that SLC doesn't understand what streetcars do. That 2 mile corridor would merit the cost of a streetcar if it moved 6-10,000+/ day. While there has been some real estate investment along the corridor (too bad not many of them use the streetcar), there were probably other ways to stimulate that investment. Instead of a sleepy little corridor, a beautiful green corridor like a pedestrian/bike greenway flanked by restaurants and shops (the neighborhood was always concerned with protecting it's unique local shops) could have served as a focal point for the neighborhood leading up to the mall and would probably have gotten far more use.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
You sound like an Atlanta nimby. Why try to create a rail corridor when we could be lazy and just do a multi use path instead 🙄 The networks just need to be expanded. Then it will be a crucial link in a web of lines crossing the region.
@bryanCJC2105
@bryanCJC2105 27 күн бұрын
@@StLouis-yu9iz You sound like someone who just wants rail even if it's poorly executed and isn't the right solution. Why be smart about it when you can just expand the network with a web of lines everywhere crossing the region? That kind of lazy planning without well-researched analysis is how you end up with a system like San Jose's with 3 rail lines (after closing a short 4th rail line for terrible performance) that combined can't even match the ridership of the city's busiest bus line. The high operating costs of the poorly planned rail system have hobbled the agency's ability to improve it's bus lines. Meanwhile, the city's busiest corridors have no rail service. That's what you get with lazy planning. Salt Lake has a good light rail system with good ridership. The short S line isn't doing much to add mobility to the region. If you had researched Salt Lake's transit corridors, you'd see that extending the S line won't do much for the city's mobility. It doesn't have any potential and another solution could've served the neighborhood better. The money is better spent on other corridors.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 26 күн бұрын
@@bryanCJC2105 how is building a web of a rail network easier than making cycle tracks? lol If San Jose reopens the 4th line along with a 5th, 6th, & 7th ones then I’m sure it would by a useful line in a cross region transfer trip. 🤦‍♂️
@RedstoneMalfunction
@RedstoneMalfunction 27 күн бұрын
Glad to see Tucson’s SunLink in the “Great” category. No one expected the streetcar here to succeed like it did, especially considering the relatively small population of Tucson and how sprawling it is. I’m hopeful for the transit future here with BRT on the way. Now if only SunTran could get frequencies up…
@1955DodgersBrooklyn
@1955DodgersBrooklyn 26 күн бұрын
"Streetcars honestly should not be the main form of public transit in a city" Depends on the context. Streetcars are perfect for forming the backbone of systems in small-medium sized cities with a bit of density. Works quite well in Germany or France for example.
@Brotatochip6507
@Brotatochip6507 27 күн бұрын
Please do a video on the Jersey City light rail if you haven’t already!
@thepointsnorth
@thepointsnorth 24 күн бұрын
Having grown up riding a packed legacy street car system (Boston’s green lines) these new systems have from what I’ve seen in person exist to: 1. Make people feel like their city is cool and smart 2. Transit for tourists that are scared of buses because of their poor people association Never seems like there’s ever anyone riding these. Even in Portland.
@UrbanistAstra
@UrbanistAstra 25 күн бұрын
Streetcars can absolutely be used as the main form of transit, up to like half a million population a streetcar that becomes more like light rail near the edges of the city can absolutely be enough if you have a frequency of more than once every ten minutes.
@danielportillo9266
@danielportillo9266 27 күн бұрын
Arizona mentioned 🌵
@martinhumphreys4891
@martinhumphreys4891 25 күн бұрын
Streetcars are so cool. Thank you for another good video. Would you consider including a caption which states the name of the city in your clips? I enjoy seeing your footage, but am often left curious as to where it is filmed.
@carstarsarstenstesenn
@carstarsarstenstesenn 19 күн бұрын
Sometimes I think it would be great for Chicago to connect up it's L stations with streetcars, but honestly that money would be better invested in improving the existing system, and if we were to do something new, a subway along Western Ave would be far more successful
@Sacto1654
@Sacto1654 26 күн бұрын
But this trend was way older than this. The success of the San Diego Trolley starting in 1981 encouraged the revival of streetcar systems, and that lead the opening of the Sacramento Regional Transit light rail system from 1987 onwards, San Francisco MUNI streetcar system undergoing major upgrades at the same time and Los Angeles opening Metro Rail from 1990 on.
@dipdip7250
@dipdip7250 27 күн бұрын
The Oklahoma City route that goes nowhere has turned the entire city off of streetcars. So disappointing. Faster to walk than take the tram.
@qolspony
@qolspony 27 күн бұрын
I would say there is a case for streecars than light rail. 1. Cars are generally smaller, so they don't compete with traffic and the landscape. 2. Because of the lighter cars the infrastructure around building it is less expensive. What we should have gotten to supplement these systems is a light metro. Light metro does not compete with traffic because it has it own right of way. It is usually elevated like a sky train and underground in key places. But what we got is a not thoughtout plan of moving people efficiently. And because time is the essence of our daily lives, than no other alternative should have ever left the planning stages.
@BloodRider1914
@BloodRider1914 25 күн бұрын
Streetcars are cool, but I'd never use them on a regular basis. They're just so god damn slow, and I'd rather take a bus or bike usually (or a metro if it was an option)
@bahnspotterEU
@bahnspotterEU 27 күн бұрын
The biggest problem with these systems is they are way too tiny. Both the size of the routes and the rolling stock is limiting to the success of these streetcars. Add to that poor frequency, terrible speed and useless gadgetry, like many systems going off-wire for little sections for no real reason, and you begin to understand why these are almost all flawed to the core. They are more like theme park rides in many cases than serious transport. I also think that a lot of Americans have a weird view on the size requirements for a city to have any form of rail transit. People say “this city isn’t big enough for a streetcar” and then mean a city with a population of 1 million people in the urban area. Streetcars, especially ones as tiny as the ones shown here, can serve towns of less than 100k, if the towns support it with destinations and at least passable density. Instead of continuously putting tiny streetcars into massive cities, I have an alternate idea for a pilot scheme (warning, unrealistic but interesting): What if a city of moderate size like Worcester, MA or New Haven, CT or Richmond, VA was all at once fitted out with a much more comprehensive streetcar network, that would reach all viably dense or popular areas, get decent signal priority and separation from road traffic where possible? Think of it like a trial for the whole country, trying to see if wider streetcar systems can actually positively impact transit ridership. Of course, to ensure the projects success, maintenance should be good, as should transit safety and cleanliness at all times and in all areas served. I know it would be a huge investment, but I think it would be a much better way to test the viability of refitting cities with streetcars and it would be more respectful to the mode itself too. As it stands, all these Obama streetcars could easily be replaced by buses.
@owlyus
@owlyus 26 күн бұрын
Atlanta's streetcar line needs to be extended through the Beltline
@dangerousideas5356
@dangerousideas5356 21 күн бұрын
cincy connector needs expanding, i’m a fan of taking it to newport aquarium and back, but really it should go north to steep hill neighborhoods.
@dominicbendinelli4805
@dominicbendinelli4805 19 күн бұрын
New Santa Ana, CA 4 mile streetcar route should be wrapping up next year. I wonder how it will perform.
@juice8118
@juice8118 9 күн бұрын
The Milwaukee hop would have so much more ridership if it just went to UWM or marquette
@skyde72
@skyde72 27 күн бұрын
6:45 wtf was bro doing here
@drdewott9154
@drdewott9154 27 күн бұрын
Honestly as a European Im just confused at the American takes on both Light rail and streetcars. Both are just fundementally trams, but one goes in on so many major investments like grade separations and gigantic trains that it would massively oughtweigh the exact lower costs that make cities choose light rail in Europe, and ask why not just build a subway. The streetcars meanwhile are often the exact opposite end of the spectrum but also still on the issue of cost. You invest this much into the physical tracks yet you dont design it to be fast and efficient, often sharing tracks with cars and having no signal priority, curbside tracks so parked cars or turning cars block the tracks, not to mention using some of the tiniest trams imaginable where you could get the exact same capacity just with a 40ft bus. At least in my eyes it just makes no sense as you're wasting money on some really expensive stuff yet which is still inherrently limited by other decissions, meaning you spend a ton of money that could've been used to fund more transit and more effective transit on the corridor and elsewhere If anything I'd hope North American cities in the future would follow design principles on modern European Light rail systems instead for both streetcars and Light rail. This means generally entirely at grade to keep costs down but with almost 100% dedicated lanes and signal priority, preferably in the median, and 5-7 segment vehicles between 80ft and 150ft in length to take advantage of the increased capacity offered by a tram system. That would make the best value for money and the best user experience for passengers. The Odense tramway in Odense, Denmark (pop. 182k) would be a pretty good case study for how do the physical design and route planning for such a system as Odense is also a fairly car dependent city like many US ones, but has managed to increase ridership on this primary transit corridor over 5 times over with its Modern European Light rail system compared to the bus lines it replaced. It now carrying 2/3rds of all transit ridership in the whole city on just a single line (which connects downtown and its train station with several districts, a sports arena complex, 2 different suburban malls, the city's university, a new regional hospital being built, 2 Park n rides one of which features the Intercity coach stop, and another commuter rail stop). If the Obama streetcars were designed more like systems like Odense's or most other European systems for that matter, they would likely be of much greater use to its city, its passengers, and even to developers, which after all was a big goal with the US streetcars.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
Totally agree with everything you’re saying… except we call a streetcar a trolley not a tram in America 😜
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 27 күн бұрын
Regular European-style trams are called "streetcars" in the US due to their long and storied history on the continent. These things were ubiquitous back in the day in basically any American city/town of over 10k population. Like their European brethren, they have bus-like stop spacings and usually run in mixed traffic, like busses. This makes for bus-like average speeds and service patterns. They're more walking accelerators than rapid transit in terms of use cases. The American term "light rail" is what the Germans call "a tram-train" in Europe. The light rail systems are just one step below true rapid transit, and many are openly transitional/hybrid pre-metro systems that are expected to one day be fully converted to light metro (San Francisco's Muni, San Jose VTA, etc.). They have metro-like stop spacings and generally run in dedicated rights of way (old rail corridors, downtown tunnels, viaducts), almost completely segregated from both cars and pedestrians. They only cross car and pedestrian spaces at street intersections, and only in certain places. Many run far into the deep suburbs or even to adjacent cities. (Seattle Link, Sacramento SacRT). Most American light rail systems have higher average speeds than the older European metro systems (Paris, Prague, etc.). And the most common train types (Siemens S700/S200 series) are just Americanized tram-trains from Germany, like the Siemens Avanto. The German stadbahns were a major inspiration for how these systems are built and how they operate. Lumping the two terms together only confuses things. One is basically just an electric bus on rails that sticks to the downtown areas. The other is a pre-metro-ish kind of thing with metro-like speeds and that runs far into the suburbs. They're not comparable in speed, use case, rolling stock, or coverage.
@bahnspotterEU
@bahnspotterEU 27 күн бұрын
@@TohaBgood2 Light rail is not called “tram-trains” in Europe. A tram-train is a special form of light rail that runs on active main line tracks for part of its route (like in Karlsruhe). The German catch-all term for light rail is “Stadtbahn”.
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 27 күн бұрын
@@bahnspotterEU American light rail systems use primarily tram-train derived vehicles, with the Siemens Avanto-derived S700s and S200s being by far the most common type. They also commonly run in old freight corridors and reach far into the suburbs often traveling to adjacent cities. Look at systems like SacRT which goes all the way from Sacramento to Folsom. Same goes for something like the San Jose VTA light rail which travels from Milpitas to Mountain View, to San Jose and to Campbell. It's basically a regional network. I understand that this might seem confusing to someone who hasn't used these systems, but only some of them skew more in the stadtbahn direction (e.g. SF Muni Metro). Most of them are a lot more tram-train than stadtbahn.
@drdewott9154
@drdewott9154 27 күн бұрын
@@TohaBgood2 I don't think you know what tram train means since tram train specifically means directly running on mainline railroads, on the same tracks as other heavy trains would, while also neing able to leave it and join a tram system in a city. The ONLY system in North America I'm even remotely sure interlines with heavy railroading is the ION system in Kitchener/Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. A more accurate definition for light rail in Europe would probably be a Stadtbahn since the North American light rail definition was created by making newly built systems based on German Stadtbahn systems in places like Frankfurt am Main, Hannover, Düsseldorf, Stuttgart. and Cologne among others. Their plan was a long term one to convert tram lines to subways, first by building subway like tunnelled sections in the centre and gradually build out grade separations from there to over time convert the existing tram systems to a subway. But the cost was simply too great so those projects have been stalled.
@mioszlupinski4652
@mioszlupinski4652 27 күн бұрын
Really nice video but I can't agree with statement that city can't rely only on trams. There is a lot of examples all around Europe that can and often it works just perfectly, take for example legacy networks of many eastern European cities such as Cracow, Wrocław or Poznań (were I am from) or more relevant for this particular video new tram networks which started growing up in many French cities in 90s. My 2 favorite examples are Strasbourg and Montpellier, especially second one was built in very car dependent way in XXth century but since opening of the first line in year 2000 was able to create very comprehensive network of 4 lines and is going to open 5th next year. Around half of cities population now uses trams on the daily basis and thanks to them municipality was able to fully pedestrianized most of the city center. In my opinion creating city around trams is not only possible but with mid sized cities is in fact one of the best ways to quickly and cost effectively provide transformative transit. But there is one important detail why all of this is possible in France, in most places where tram tracks are built they are taking space away from cars and mostly operate over green tracks with physical separation from car traffic so can't be disrupted as it often happens with legacy systems.
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger 21 күн бұрын
Wait, so Detroit's QLine with all of its issues isn't the bottom tier? It clearly has had more issues than were anticipated with getting stuck in traffic but more dedicated lanes and signal priority could greatly improve that. The fact other ones are deemed worse is rather telling about the state of mass transit in the US.
@AMPProf
@AMPProf 27 күн бұрын
YBORRRR CITYYYYY
@gerardwebb1945
@gerardwebb1945 24 күн бұрын
theyre just like buses articulated some. we have to recognize whats on the road and keep it movin.
@Brotatochip6507
@Brotatochip6507 27 күн бұрын
What’s the difference between streetcar and light rail?
@danielkelly2210
@danielkelly2210 27 күн бұрын
Streetcars usually have a single or double-car setup. Light rail can be 4-8 cars long. Streetcars mostly run in mixed traffic. Light rail runs mostly on its own right of way. Light rail vehicles are usually bigger.
@LouisChang-le7xo
@LouisChang-le7xo 27 күн бұрын
I'm not sure streetcars are the best choice, as their cost isnt so far off from light rail which is way faster. Also American transit has noticeably gotten slower over time from the fast 1970s metros to the okay speed 1980s metros to the slow 1990s light rail to the painfully slow 2000s streetcars, and the slightly less painfully slow 2010s BRT systems, and then we stopped building transit
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict 27 күн бұрын
It’s pathetic
@LouisChang-le7xo
@LouisChang-le7xo 27 күн бұрын
@@qjtvaddict i know
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
The cost is extremely far off. Bollards and signal upgrades for new trolley networks will be WAY cheaper than building more new grade separated metro r.o.w. Also many US cities are still planning new trolley lines or even starts to rebuilding networks. For instance, there will soon be an entirely new LRT line running N/S almost the entire length of StL city. I am super excited for this trolley and the future expansions after 🫶🚃🙌
@user-qt5cm1qf3m
@user-qt5cm1qf3m 25 күн бұрын
Now if only 😪 New York city and Chicago have them too.
@OrechTV
@OrechTV 27 күн бұрын
6:45 The driver is happy he is filmed or mad at something on the road? .. strange :O
@nujabraska
@nujabraska 27 күн бұрын
Atlanta streetcar has the possibility to be great with its Beltline expansion, if only ANDRE DICKENS DIDNT KILL IT FOR NO GOOD REASON
@ashleyhamman
@ashleyhamman 27 күн бұрын
I think cities need to be very careful about their usage of streetcars. My impression from what I've seen online, and plans local to me, is that they are used as a "Oh, we should probably have transit because climate resilience is a good selling point.", which is fair, but I feel is not one that seems them fulfill their greatest potential. I think streetcars should be emblematic of "Hey closer in neighborhoods, we're serious about making you good places to live.", and so should be applied to streetcar-era suburbs that are still relatively dense, and should be part of redevelopment plans of places undergoing redevelopment and a reduction of car-focused infrastructure. Also, and this should go without saying, but seems to be missed by the people who planned them out, they must interchange well with higher order transit, and be a high-capacity-high-frequency augmentation of lower order transportation systems, such as frequent bus systems and bike/pedestrian heavy areas.
@spencer4732
@spencer4732 27 күн бұрын
awesome video! love the appreciation for KC Streetcar 💙🩵 the ongoing extensions to the Plaza / UMKC and to the Riverfront are signs of a bright future for transit in KC. The streetcar will no longer be just a downtown circulator, becoming the spine of the city's transportation network
@spencer4732
@spencer4732 27 күн бұрын
also up to 80% of the expansions will have transit only lanes which is HUGE for the streetcar considering it's speed is largely limited by operating in mixed traffic
@darylb5564
@darylb5564 20 күн бұрын
What will it do that a bus will not for 10% of the cost?
@forestfeller
@forestfeller 27 күн бұрын
No mention of the Gold Line in Charlotte?
@climateandtransit
@climateandtransit 27 күн бұрын
It's very weird and I honestly think it deserves its own video :)
@forestfeller
@forestfeller 27 күн бұрын
@@climateandtransit That's a - nice way to put it lol
@moosesandmeese969
@moosesandmeese969 20 күн бұрын
I want a president who's known for heavy rail metros and regional rail
@AV-de6hy
@AV-de6hy 27 күн бұрын
Toronto Transit Commission streetcar system is a good case study that is worthy to mention in this video....too bad.
@dr.rubbertoe7318
@dr.rubbertoe7318 27 күн бұрын
its not an american system though, thats probably why it was excluded, and because toronto's streetcar system is technically a legacy system too
@AV-de6hy
@AV-de6hy 27 күн бұрын
Like I said....not mentioning the TTC streetcar is a missed opportunity to make this video worth watching..just because Toronto is "not american" doesn't mean you should omit a very influential streetcar north american city with the same standard of living and for most part same north american culture.....viewers will learn alot how Toronto matured the streetcar network ( for those who also call it "Legacy") to how it is now....do some research in fine detail and one will know Toronto is a very good case study of how streetcar could have been for some american cities and or how it evolved/enhanced over the decades....
@strongbad635
@strongbad635 27 күн бұрын
Streetcars are fine when they are kept in the context of their best use: as a sort of accelerated version of walking.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict 27 күн бұрын
So they are useless unless existing metros exist
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
That’s literally all transit though lol
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
@@qjtvaddict no… they are most useful when no metro currently exists
@darioadrianz
@darioadrianz 20 күн бұрын
What do you mean they don't charge fares? How is that successful??
@ScoobyDooIsDead
@ScoobyDooIsDead 27 күн бұрын
Problem with these systems is that they are all street running in mixed traffic. I like any rail transit but a lot of these systems took the worst approach to streetcar design. They all have no grade separation, run near curbs which is bad as cars crowd near corners to make turns, and are loop systems that essentially serve as people movers. Large cities such as Detroit and KC really need grade separated LRT to create truly useful transit.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
They don’t have to be grade separated as long as they have protected lanes. Installing bollards is a lot cheaper than even cut and cover or elevated tracks. We just need to get serious about reclaiming space from cars and trolleys will work fine. 😊
@himbourbanist
@himbourbanist 27 күн бұрын
I think it's really interesting that the 2009 / Obama-era streetcars will be talked about by future transit historians as a defined era in the resurgence of local rail transit. Having followed and ridden many of these projects over the years it's fascinating how quickly they piled up, now tons of cities that at one point ripped out all of their streetcars have them again. I think the KC streetcar in particular is the start of what will one day be a robust network of streetcars, there's so much promise there
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
I totally agree with the first part of your comment but then you lost me at the end… I used to live in Columbia MO for awhile and so have had the opportunity to visit both KC and StL many times… You can tell which one I fell in love with. lol Kansas City is probably the most overrated metro I’ve ever visited. Outside of the current streetcar alignment walk-shed, the rest of the city is low density car centric sprawl. Even within the downtown/midtown area that the streetcar currently runs there’s really not much to do. StL meanwhile is hands down the MOST underrated city in the world. It has such a rich history and is full of attractions throughout its numerous legacy dense mixed use walkable neighborhoods. The Delmar Loop alone is way better than downtown KC, we just need to extend the Trolley that was built there recently to connect more of our great urbanist gems. ⚜️🫶
@nose10620
@nose10620 27 күн бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@andreamello5818
@andreamello5818 21 күн бұрын
Obama's trans legacy would be more accurate
@user-yt9id8zq3g
@user-yt9id8zq3g 24 күн бұрын
They should have never been removed. I'm still waiting on that infrostructure form Obama and the "big guy." Never saw the "shovel ready" jobs.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict 27 күн бұрын
So Obama was pathetic no I am not a republican
@joedavenport5293
@joedavenport5293 27 күн бұрын
He could have done more, especially in his first two years when democrats had big majorities in congress. Biden got more done with razor thin majorities during his first two years in office.
@anthonysnyder1152
@anthonysnyder1152 27 күн бұрын
This is why cities need shovel ready projects - so when pro transit presidents comes through they can get funding.
@TrueMathSquare
@TrueMathSquare Күн бұрын
I don't like them because they are bad for cyclists
@SoHoWarLord
@SoHoWarLord 24 күн бұрын
The only 1s complaining about car are those that can't afford them. Everyone deep down loves cars more
@climateandtransit
@climateandtransit 24 күн бұрын
So true! Everyone loves cars so much! That’s why driving is down in millenials and gen z!
@samuelrussell4324
@samuelrussell4324 20 күн бұрын
I find these kinds of videos so irritating. You jump from one clip to another to another with no explanation whatsoever. Here’s a streetcar, now here’s a streetcar somewhere else. No labels, no logic to it. Just as you start to figure out what you’re looking at - could that be San Diego? - bam it’s something else. How about talk about one city at a time and show images of just that city so we can follow along and see what you’re verbally describing. Please don’t yank the footage away and replace it with something else before the viewer can even figure out what they’re looking at.
@creaturexxii
@creaturexxii 27 күн бұрын
No offence but streetcars are inferior to fully grade separated metro systems. Since streetcars have to deal with cars and pedestrians, it really slows them down. Whereas fully grade separated metros don't have to contend with that and can have amazing frequencies, every 2 minutes. To reduce cost of building a subway, elevated metro lines have the benefit of grade separation at a lower cost, while also allowing passengers to enjoy the view 🌲🚈
@eazydee5757
@eazydee5757 27 күн бұрын
True, but I have also heard about the concerns of constant noise caused by elevated metro lines going through residential neighborhoods.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict 27 күн бұрын
@@eazydee5757that’s not a valid argument as they are not loud at all especially the modern ones
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
No offense, but grade separated metros are pretty unrealistic in the US for a long time. We need to build rail networks NOW so we can build enough political capital to actually carry out the elevated projects you’re referring to. In order to do that, we need to just start rebuilding our lost trolley networks. While it is true that pedestrians and cyclists will have to get used to looking before crossing tracks, at least there will be tracks instead of the cars that speed around wherever they can fit on our streets. Which brings me to my other point, they should never have to worry about cars. That’s why we need to reclaim space on the roads from personal automobiles and give it back to trolleys. 🚃💯
@eazydee5757
@eazydee5757 27 күн бұрын
@@qjtvaddictI can see that. Many of the older transit systems in particular such as BART or the NYC Subway have been described as somewhat loud.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 27 күн бұрын
Trolleys are the future of transit in the US for the foreseeable future. We need to start rebuilding our lost networks with dedicated lane and signal prioritized lines. Heavier rail is great yes, but we need to build a larger coalition of car free urbanists here that truly understand and support transit. BRT won’t do that because it doesn’t actually change the built environment and just keeps the status quo of auto-centrism. Trolleys on the other hand can meaningfully improve urban fabric if they are used to remove some car accommodations. They are also like a giant advertisement for transit and in my experience are a lot more effective at attracting first time riders than buses. I just don’t see how we are going to quickly and meaningfully chip away at car culture in N.A. without restoring the once great trolley systems most of our cities once had. 🚃💯👏
@shawn8676
@shawn8676 27 күн бұрын
St. Louis is the most underrated city in the world! Hopefully they get more rail transit soon such as a Delmar Loop Trolley expansion! :]
@MermmyDermmy
@MermmyDermmy 27 күн бұрын
Despite their flaws I have a soft spot for streetcars. They can do a lot for an area spurring good development and also their quite pleasant. ❤️🚋❤
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