Amiga 1200 TF1260 Accelerator Installation
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Күн бұрынI'm upgrading my Amiga 1200 with a Terrible Fire 1260 Motorola 68060 accelerator card.
Terrible Fire 1260 Open File Downloads (Gerbers, Firmware and BOM):
exxosforum.co.uk/forum/viewto...
Terrible Fire 1260 additional files and FAQ:
tf1260.com
Collected Info about Amiga Timing Fixes:
ianstedman.co.uk/amiga-related...
CRG's EHIDE Custom Kickstart Video:
• Creating 1MB Amiga 120...
Custom Kickstart ROMs script:
github.com/reinauer/amiga-rom...
Amiga Test Kit Download:
github.com/keirf/amiga-stuff/...
SysInfo Download:
sysinfo.d0.se/
68060 Variants/Fakes Information (German only unfortunately):
www.amigawiki.org/doku.php?id...
Retro Rewind (not Retro Passion, sorry!) Buffered CF adapter:
retrorewind.ca/A600-1200-CF2IDE
Transparent A1200 cases (available from a couple of different stores!):
www.amiga-shop.net/Amiga-Hard...
Indivision AGA Flicker Fixer/Graphics Card:
icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/produk...
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
1:11 The Terrible Fire 1260
3:08 Salvaged Motorola 68060s!
10:07 Populating the CPU Socket
10:52 Inserting the TF1260 into the Amiga
17:52 Upgrading the Kickstart ROMs
21:51 Timing Fixes?
23:02 Installing Workbench 3.2.1
30:11 SysInfo Speed Check
32:48 My User Experience
39:44 Future Optimizations
41:18 Real Time Clock & Better CF Adapter
44:11 Thank you & good night
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@cbfrider Жыл бұрын
@15:26 I love how you reached for the power supply (to check for temperature/resonance) exactly in the moment I would have, hehehe
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I learned to be worried about power supplies pretty early on after starting working on vintage computers. :D
@Peter_S_ Жыл бұрын
The XC part number means "production prototype". The number is changed to MC when they are in production. It was not uncommon to see X parts in low volume products on the cutting edge. I was on the production prototype list in the late 1980s and would get X parts when developing DSP boards, but XSP56001 in that case.
@stephenwhite506 Жыл бұрын
I remember those vision cards. The one I saw was used in an industrial fruit sorting machine. It could detect bad fruit as it passed under the camera on a conveyor. It could also sort the size as well. It was very fast as the conveyor moved at quite a speed. Gates would open further up the line to redirect the sorted fruit.
@hessex1899 Жыл бұрын
I literally just ordered one of these and I expect it to arrive tomorrow. Thanks for posting this. :)
@morik3188 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always. It's always a good morning when I wake up to a new Jan vid.
@TerribleFire Жыл бұрын
The reason kick 3.0 support was dropped was because i couldnt get autoconfig to behave with Mediator. So i put the ram where its autodetected in 3.1. I could release a separate firmware but then people would get them mixed up.
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Please make a separate release or ship it, there are some die hards that never upgrade KS, stock AGA KS is 3.0
@TerribleFire Жыл бұрын
@@RasVoja Absolutely not. I simply cant support multiple options on 14 different cards.
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
@@TerribleFire I get it. But just 060, there arent that many options and there are big box Amigans
@TerribleFire Жыл бұрын
@@RasVoja My rules is one kickstart per machine. Usually 3.1 but I will work to support 3.2. Thats already too much for me to cope with. Upgrade to KS 3.1, buy a Warp or ACA1260. If i've not given in to supporting 1.3 on the A500 i'm really not going to give in to supporting 3.0 on a 1200.
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
@@TerribleFire 3.0 was more common, but 3.2.1 is softkiced nowadays. Too bad they push for new ROMS/soft kicked ROMs
@fsddevelopment4513 Жыл бұрын
You had Quake running about as fast as I could back in the day. Impressive.
@angrydove4067 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review and conclusion. I just got my Terrible Fire 1230 and its everything I will ever need.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Yes! 68030 is enough for most "common tasks" (and the vast majority of games) on the Amigas indeed. The 68060 experience is still kind of amazing for me (especially since the fastest I had was a 25MHz 68030 back in the day in my original Amiga 2000). :)
@erwin-1660 Жыл бұрын
Unsoldering the male IDE header and moving it to the bottom side of the TF1260 allows for an SD2IDE adapter to be used. The pin orientation happens to be just right and it will make your workbench easily accessible via the trapdoor (which can still be closed).
@proteque Жыл бұрын
Very nice setup you have now! 060 is needed if you are into "modern" Amiga demoscene stuff. That would be my goto for content showing off your new setup with 060 rather than doom and quake :)
@MeinElektronikHobby Жыл бұрын
... wieder viel gelernt. Tolle Informationen. Da sollte ich mal einen meiner Amigas wieder auspacken, wenn da nix anderes ansteht.
@MrFixiit Жыл бұрын
great video jan congrats on the 060s you realy have all the Bells and whistles now :p all you need now is a low profile cpu cooler like from a laptop and you'll have the belts and braces too.
@GadgetUK164 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Jan =D Welcome to the TF1260 club! Amazing pickups on the R6's =O The graphics glitches or slow downs / crashes etc - you need to experiment with NOCACHE, set NOAUTOVEC as a default for all WHDLOAD games, and NOMMU (all tool tips or set in the WHDLOADPrefs file). Almost everything I play on WHDLOAD works fine on an 060.
@TPau65 Жыл бұрын
I set NOAUTOVEC in the WHDLoad.prefs (recommended in a WHDLoad video), but I couldn't find NOMMU. Or did you mean MMU, which has a " ; " in front for not being active. But it's said for 68030 use. 🤔 I also have a TF1260 (and the same case Jan has 😉) with LC060 btw. And yes, you have to disable some (or one, can't remember) caches to make e.g. DREAD to work on the 060. Easiest way is using Sysinfo for this.
@GadgetUK164 Жыл бұрын
@@TPau65 NOMMU is set on the tool tip for the individual game!
@TPau65 Жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 As I'm new (again^^) in the Amiga world... tool tip is this "text area" when you rightclick on the game/program icon, information and then icon menu? Is there a list somewhere of what instructions can be used there in general? E.g. ADoom and ZDoom come with several pre-defined commands which could be activated/deactivated with brackets ( ) or semicolon ;. Is it even possible to deactivate caches there, so you you don't have to use e.g. Sysinfo for that?
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I fiddled a bit with the options but didn’t get great results for some games (including my beloved Turrican, of all things!). I’m going to try to tinker with the options you suggested! :D
@GadgetUK164 Жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta I am sure I played loads of Turrican using the NOMMU and NOCACHE and didnt have a problem! I will re-test later for you! Check if there's a new .slave for the game too on the WHDLOAD website!
@rosselur 2 ай бұрын
Belts and whistles. I'm gonna steal that one. Love it.
@milk-it Жыл бұрын
Danke, Jan. I've got an A1200, and I have a new Vampire A1200 V2 accelerator I'm considering installing, which this video will possibly assist me with. However, I've been struggling with a 68060 accelerator on a new A4000D board I had custom made, that delivers a Guru message when the board is screwed down on the chassis, but works when it's loose! I think it's a loose connection on the motherboard, but this video might provide some alternative paths of thought.
@tokyogentleman Жыл бұрын
looks like a bunch of fun!
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Yesss 060 MMU holy grail!
@notacop1477 Жыл бұрын
That´s good fun! I thought about reworking the A3640 to carry a 060 for our trusty A3000
@pete8475 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff as usual.
@atamiga2491 Жыл бұрын
excellent, thanks Jan
@japandrej Жыл бұрын
Nice video, thanks for this! The TF1260 is somewhere in transit from Spain to my apartment now as I type so I must say I'm really hyped. :) Just hoping that it would work with the 3.1 ROM that I have and somehow would love to keep. If not, there's the 3.2 sitting somewhere in the drawer as well. :)
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
It should work fine with 3.1 and above (except for booting from the TF1260 IDE) from what I’ve heard! Hope you enjoy your speedy A1200! ;)
@japandrej Жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta Cool, thanks!
@stevvieb Жыл бұрын
I have the Amiga retail version of quake that I used to run on my blizzrd 1260 @75MHz with a picasso iv on my 1260 back in the day. I used my Amiga for Imagine and lightwave back then. And still have it all with my Viper 1230 for fall back compatability. I guess thats the benefit of being a hoarder.
@Felice_Enellen Жыл бұрын
@Jan Beta - You might be able to cool the CPU with a heat pipe heatsink. You might be able to find one in a junked laptop, they tend to use heat pipes to get heat from tightly-sandwiched cpus to the side of the case where the fan is.
@mal2ksc Жыл бұрын
If not, you can just buy one as a spare part. When the fan died on my laptop, I had to replace the whole heatsink as a unit because the fan is not a separate part. I was prepared to be annoyed but I think it was less than $10 so in the end I had nothing to complain about.
@Felice_Enellen Жыл бұрын
@@mal2ksc Also true. There are definitely shops online that sell fan+heatpipe assemblies for DIY repair. I've done that twice actually. So that's a good way to go look for something that might be the right shape.
@charlesjmouse Жыл бұрын
I hope you thoroughly enjoy your 'new' amiga. FWVLIW: My Blizzard 1260 + SCSI routinely runs at 80Mhz with a passive heatsink - it will go to 100Mhz with active cooling for safety and the Blizzard SCSI unplugged. The, um, best use I've found for a 060-equipped Amiga is to run it as a 68K Mac! Otherwise there's really only 68K versions of games that run better on a PPC, and the odd demo... unless you're enough of a masochist to do a bit of retro raytracing.
@BilisNegra Жыл бұрын
30:21 I like how the Comment part in SYSINFO reads "Phone me NOW!!!" I know with good (but not this spectacular) scores it says something like "Can you smell the burnt rubber?", the phone me, etc. part I reckon must mean something like "I have to know how did you get this high!".
@benbaselet2026 Жыл бұрын
Motorola and ABB automation systems also use/have used 68k processors extensively. I don't know if the 060 has been very popular but at least 040s are pretty common. Might be different version not compatible with Amiga cards though.
@greedygreggor Жыл бұрын
oooo upgrades, nice!
@8bitbubsy Жыл бұрын
The new firmware also gives much faster chipmem access speeds, which is great! This means faster drawing to the screen, since the framebuffer is stored in chipmem.
@Felice_Enellen Жыл бұрын
How does it speed up chip mem? Every solution I've seen has only been able to speed up fast mem.
@8bitbubsy Жыл бұрын
@@Felice_Enellen The designer rewrote the logic for the 68060 card, to minimize chipmem speed losses.
@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын
You of course watched my videos for this and were motivated to give it a go. :)
@cjh0751 Жыл бұрын
Always great to see Doom running on an Amiga. 🕹️
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
So satisfying, right?! 😅
@MainAvel Жыл бұрын
I'm seriously tempted to just attempt to make a couple of these. I *could* - it's just that there's a tiny little problem: I don't have an A1200 nor anyone I know does.
@f1lupo Жыл бұрын
Love my TF1260 and was lucky enough to have a full Rev.1 that runs nice and cool with only a small heat sink that works amazing with all WHDLoad games and as compatible as my Blizzard 030@50 with 3.2 roms and this was never the case with 060’s back with the old 3.1 roms with my experience
@Renk1 12 күн бұрын
I just got an A1200 with Blizzard 1230 @ 50 and I have to ask… did your Blizzard run really hot? I have to leave the trapdoor open, lift the A1200 on higher feet and put a desk fan blowing on it, otherwise it’s so hot you can’t eve touch the table. Is that normal? Could I underclock it?
@johnnydreamwarior Жыл бұрын
I have put my amiga in a laptop cooler think and it stays on that for ever. But in hot summer days i put an extra normal big fan for extra cooling. The desktop is very tricky and dangerous to be sure without cooling with a 68030 inside .
@lightmagick Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you care(or if it would work) but that compact flash card adapter you have does have an LED, maybe you could connect that to the hard disk LED on the Amiga?
@Markchill2 Жыл бұрын
nice computer and wicket video
@x-crisis Жыл бұрын
You have to be brave to install something called Terrible Fire in your system.
@BilisNegra Жыл бұрын
I didn't mind the name until you pointed it out and now I'm recalling Mark's (from Mark Fixes Stuff) last year's dreadful misfortune for some reason.
@sonninnos Жыл бұрын
Jolly Fire sounds much nicer
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Amiga acccelerators always had strange names like Blizzard, Warp etc.
@TPau65 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video Jan, as I also have a TF1260 (with LC060 though), which came with my Amiga. And I also have this transparent case... with the same issues you ran into some years ago (Floppy not quite fitting, same with PCMCIA slot, transparent Eject button for another Floppy drive model etc.)! 😉 25:28 I ran into some trouble installing the libs. The actual installing (system, update 3.2.1 and MMU libs done in WinUAE directly from CD) worked flawlessly. But Sysinfo 4.4 (and older) gives a message right at the beginning, that deals about the 68040 library which shouldn't run to make Sysinfo work properly (or something like that). I have to rename 68040.library so it won't boot with the Amiga and the message was gone. Do you have the 68040.library file in your libs folder after installing?
@LeftoverBeefcake Жыл бұрын
Could always use this new power to play MODs that use 16 bit samples or lots of channels like with OctaMED Sound Studio or Symphonie Pro... I stumbled upon Symphonie Pro the other day, it's available on Aminet. It's a tracker geared towards high-powered Amigas with an 040/060.
@SobieRobie Жыл бұрын
Finally, after so many years Doom is playable on Amiga! Thing that was just normal on 486DX4/100 ;) And Quake... well, let's add 3dfx.
@Zentauri77 Жыл бұрын
Well, I played it back in the late 90ies on my Amiga with a 68030@50 CPU. Certainly was not great, but I could play it. On a 68040 it was much more playable. And ADoom was the first port of Doom for the Amiga, and it's not the fastest one.
@thelostc Жыл бұрын
Hello I always follow you with great interest! I also have a TF1260 but with a Chinese MC68LC060 without FPU, paid 60 €, do you know where you can buy an XC68060RC at a decent price? Can you tell me how to create 3.1 kickstart with TF fast port eide drivers? thank you. Luigi
@Schwuuuuup Жыл бұрын
Hi retro folks, is there a way to emulate a cf Card, so that a device (like an amiga) thinks it is running directly from a drive but in reality the drive is just a piece of the ram of an raspberry pi or something like that
@BBfanfun Жыл бұрын
looking forward to an All-in-One solution card. memory,clock,acceleration& digital display output !
@Dwarfboysim Жыл бұрын
If you purchase and install an IDE header terminator block and put it onto the 1200’s IDE header then the HDD LED Will show disk activity from the TF IDE port :)
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Oh, I think I have one somewhere even, going to try that asap! Thanks for the tip! :D
@Dwarfboysim Жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta how did it go?
@Zentauri77 Жыл бұрын
The price for the TF1260 with CPU is actually very ok. Back in the late 90ies I bought a blizzard 1230-IV (for 350 DM maybe?), and I remember thinking about getting the blizzard 1260. It was about 600 or 700 DM (300 or 350 euros) IIRC, which was a little bit to expensive for me back then.
@MichiMilchmelker Жыл бұрын
700dm with inflatation would be 572euro in today money
@bobobear1977 Жыл бұрын
71E41J mask 060s can regularly eat up to 100 MHz when properly *actively* cooled and still be stable. On Atari Falcons with CT60 accelerators they usually run fine at 90 or 100 MHz, 90 being the speed of choice, when you got a CPU that isn't fully stable at 100. Active cooling, in that case, means a flat heat sink with a small fan on top, nothing extreme. If you can find a suitable cooling solution that fits under the keys, it may be worth while, doubling the clock speed...
@chainq68k Жыл бұрын
True that. My Falcon runs at 95 Mhz and it's stable hours on end, with a CT60e + active cooling, my Amiga 1200 has a Warp1260 at 105Mhz (and stable, with active cooling), and my other Amiga 1200 with the TF1260 handles 95Mhz demo-watching runs like a champ. That has no active cooling yet, so I didn't want to push it beyond 64Mhz on longer-runs. All Rev.6, of course.
@anticat900 Жыл бұрын
I bought a blizzard 68060 card some 10 years ago, it was fast but pretty flakey. Sold it for £600 but I believe they are down to half that now, due to cards like this being so much better?
@brostenen Жыл бұрын
You are right that 030 is better for WHD-Loader. I have an Tsunami-1230 in my 1200, and it is perfect for WHD-Loader. These 060's and PiStorm, Vampires and so on, is something I see for productivity stuff and not old school gaming.
@aleksandrbmelnikov 11 ай бұрын
Get an all-copper low-profile heatsink on the chip. Mix JB Weld. Finger dab very light coat on both surfaces. Join them under slightly warm water, to ensure no air is trapped between them. Lift from bath and allow to cure for at least 24 hours. Install as normal. If you can engrave chip info on side of heatsink, do so. You won't be able to remove it later, but you'll always have cool processor.
@TODESHAMMEL Жыл бұрын
Just a FYI: I have a TF1230 and my Amiga 1200 also still has a 3.0 ROM. You can use AddMem to configure it to see the fast ram. Probably works with the TF1260, too.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Ah, makes sense! That’s a great workaround, didn’t know that! Thanks for pointing it out!
@marcianzero_yt Жыл бұрын
It works, but due to the timing/sequencing it usually means exec.library is in Chip Mem. That’s doesn’t really help the performance. :)
@TODESHAMMEL Жыл бұрын
@@marcianzero_yt Ah, i didn't know that 👍
@hollgo626 Жыл бұрын
Einen Speedtest hätte ich ja noch: mp3 Wiedergabe... würde mich interessieren, ob dein Rechner das hinbekommt. Auf der PC Seite braucht man da schon einen Pentium....
@klaushergesheimer8602 Жыл бұрын
Ein sehr schneller 486er schafft es wohl gerade so unter DOS, das hat CPU Galaxy auf seinem Kanal schön gezeigt. Der Atari Falcon soll es wohl auch out of the box schaffen, aber der hat auch einen DSP drauf der die CPU beim MP3 Decoding ordentlich entlasten kann.
@RETROCENGO Жыл бұрын
Is the pistorm more compatible then the TF1260? i have to check out that pistorm soon :-)
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
It should in theory. Probably there’s other issues because of the hilarious speed it runs at but CPU emulation should be 68020/68030 compatible so a lot of older software should run better.
@espressomatic Жыл бұрын
DiskMaster. Nice.
@animaze86 Жыл бұрын
XC68060RC50A mask appears to be Rev 5 to me... since i have the same mask id which is rev 5..
@johnnydreamwarior Жыл бұрын
Ihave the phase5 blizzard 1260 and if i forget to put the librarys and the cpu command in the c envelope it did not work. I learn this directly from the phase 5 when i had the problem in the year 1998
@johnnydreamwarior Жыл бұрын
Alles gute und viel spass mit unseren Amiga!!!!
@miserychordia Жыл бұрын
only on amiga....it works!!!!!!!!!! =)
@josehereter4062 Жыл бұрын
At least a New video!!!
@kokodin5895 Жыл бұрын
how did accelerator cards actually work with software in computer like that? is every accelerator card somewhat backward compatybile to run base amiga code on them or do they share the function if program is aware of the accelerator, or is the accelerator like separate computer that takes over and uses base computer as io ports while runing completly different codebase?
@Zentauri77 Жыл бұрын
I don't think I understand your question completely. It's basically just a replacement for the CPU. Programs run on the CPU of the accelerator card instead of the original CPU. And most code should run just fine. But since the 68060 has some technologies the original 68020 did not have (caches, Instruction pipelining) this can cause some problems in rare cases. eg. if a subroutine of a program finishes faster than the programmer anticipated would be possible.
@kokodin5895 Жыл бұрын
@@Zentauri77 yes that is the basic understanding, but how does it work in detail you have 2 cpus on one bus , one must be disabled but microcode for the startup must be either universal for both or the instruction set is different and programs are aware of that somehow and you would need basically to pick which one you run on at the programing stage if both cpus the amiga onboard and on the expansion are from similar family and accelerated one is backward compatybile with onboard one then i guess it is simple halt signal switchover but i have basically no understanding what amiga have inside and i am curious
@Zentauri77 Жыл бұрын
@@kokodin5895 The code is mostly generic and runs on either CPU. Of course you can compile a program for a specific processor. Code for 68000/68020 will usually run on 68060, but not vice versa. So, the CPU is backward compatible. If you plug in an accelerator card the old CPU is disabled. Maybe the original CPU is needed when powering up the computer to do some stuff like auto-configuring peripherals. I don't know exactly. But as soon as the system boots up the old CPU is disabled and invisible to software.
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
@@kokodin5895 Accelerator cards on Amiga shut down motherboard CPU and simply take over
@MrBlackmaxDK Жыл бұрын
I do also have the TF1260 but with a Rev.1 Full CPU :) just need to upgrade the firmware :)
@januszkszczotek8587 Жыл бұрын
31:00 What's that "Comment: Phone Me NOW!!!" in the right column of the software supposed to mean?
@TPau65 Жыл бұрын
Nothing! It's just a joke of the programmers and it's different, depending on the speed of your system. 😉
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
You have so great Amiga call me to test dat too, seen
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
why dont you do light weight virtual machine jit translation for compatibility
@LeChucky Жыл бұрын
Hi jan Does the TF60 card have issues booting to workbench 3.2.2? This is the 2nd time I reinstalled a fresh copy.of OS322 and still no luck with booting the card, i have the latest kickstart 321 with TF60 boot
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
No idea unfortunately! I haven’t updated to 3.2.2 yet I’m afraid. :/
@johnwiesen4440 Жыл бұрын
I have got one with a 50Mhz full fat rev 6 CPU, on kickstart 3.2.1 and workbench 3.2.1. The next thing I want to do is do my own Kickstart roms so I can boot from the TF 1260 cards IDE port.
@Zentauri77 Жыл бұрын
Does someone has list of software/games which won't run on a 68060?
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Mostly 00 dirty apps and some OCS games
@10MARC Жыл бұрын
It's a nice card for the money. I had one for a while (and reviewed it), but I am holding out for either the new Vampire or maybe the Warp 060 card. I only had a spare LC CPU with no FPU so my 68040 Blizzard actually performed better for the FPU intensive programs I use on my Amiga (AdPro, ImageFX, etc). The LC is fine for most people of course.
@bramblemat1185 Жыл бұрын
Was the A1000 chip set the precursor to the modern multicore systems?
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
No, modern multicore is multiple CPU threads. But if you look at PC as CPU plus gfx chip plus sound chip then is
@stevesether Жыл бұрын
I _so_ wanted one of these A1200's back in the early 90s. But.... too expensive. Now I _sort_ of want one. But.... Too expensive! (These things sell for around $800 USD on ebay). Add in the HD and other accessories and you're up to $1000. Just too hard to justify for me. Maybe someday I'll try one of those accelerators for my A500. A lot easier to justify $180USD Nice job. Sounds like you're enjoying your one of the fastest Amigas alive!
@MKh-pu1xl Жыл бұрын
Could you solve the HDD led problem in TF1260? Thank you
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
I haven't really looked into it but there seem to be some solutions with some added wiring.
@MrProvinspoul Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see how it runs with AB3D2
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Killer Grounds should test 060, TFX too
@LeChucky Жыл бұрын
Hi jan, Which do you prefer? Waro1260 or TF1260? I dont think its performance related but more (future) options upgrades
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
The Warp is another level of a beast with all the added functionality. I like that approach a lot, too, but decided to go more "old school" with the pure accelerator card. It depends on what you prefer, I guess. :D (I haven't tried the Warp personally though, only read about it, my budget was barely enough for the TF!)
@chainq68k Жыл бұрын
Your system was running into a Guru at the first attempt, because the 68060.library wasn't loaded. The Motorola 68060 doesn't support some 68020 instructions, specifically the "long" (64bit) multiply/division instructions which are used by Workbench and various parts of the A1200 ROM. These are software emulated after the 68060.library is loaded. So without it, the system would Guru. This is normal behavior on all 68060 accelerators. TL;DR: install the 68060.library first, then install the accelerator itself. This is entirely safe. The 68060.library won't load when that CPU isn't present, and the system would keep functioning normally anyway with any CPU.
@Zentauri77 Жыл бұрын
Good to know. Thanks.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Ah, that makes perfect sense, thanks!
@n00blamer Жыл бұрын
Haha.. everyone seems to go this route.. (hello!).. first suffering, then read and learn about it.. and tada... aaah it works!!!
@chainq68k Жыл бұрын
@@n00blamer Yeah, me who had a '040 based Amiga since 2001 (which is similar in the sense that it has a CPU library and emulated instructions) and a '060 based Amiga since 2003, it's fun to watch people discover this... I wish they would ask more, since this is trivial knowledge, and it is out there.
@erwindewit4073 Жыл бұрын
Wow, you're very lucky to get those 060s! The upgrade really looks VERY well made indeed! It is a bit weird to read some Gàidhlig on the board, to be honest (Scottish). Nach snog seo. With my hugely primitive understanding (I was learning it by sheer luck), it's something like "isn't it nice" I think.. Well, it REALLY IS! I was impressed as well how you still got everything to work (and the roms burnt. I also still have 3.0 roms in my 4000 and was also looking to upgrade. If this is something I could do too...... :). Thanks Jan!! In my primitive German: das sieht es doch sehr geil aus!
@johandenhertog6878 Жыл бұрын
Is true that my TF1260 with the Rev6 CPU don’t like WHDLoad. Because that i have a second A1200 with the Blizzard 1230 IV. I use the TF1260 only for 68060 Demos. For Doom, Doom 2, Quake, Quake 2 and Blood i use the Vampire V4 Standalone. Hope that soon i have the black keycaps for my black A500 from A1200NET. Strange that my ACA500Plus with the ACA1233n-55 is faster than the TF1260 with CF speed. Must do some great things with my C64’s such as FM YAM and SFX Sound Expander. And use my old floppies on the 1541-II diskdrive.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Nice collection there! It's also a good excuse to have multiple systems if some do certain things better than others. ;)
@johandenhertog6878 Жыл бұрын
Have buy now a ZX Spectrum 48K with a Smartcard V3. There is always a good excuse to buy old computers and enjoy it.
@cevoner Жыл бұрын
Hi I've had my Terrible Fire for a year now with using the hard drive interface and 3.2 Roms. Although I did not get the driver in the Rom so it takes a while to boot. Get the driver in your Roms would be quicker. I have recently had an issue that I hope you can help with since you assembled one. I disconnected the card and the reconnected it recently and now the Amiga thinks it is dead. Is the connector a bit tricky? It has a hard time since I purchased it. Once it's gong it's great but now I have 1MB memory since the Amiga 1200 runs without it now. It was sold to me by Retro32 and they have yet to reply.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Yup, the connectors can act up at times, it's quite a common problem. I would suggest trying to clean it thoroughly (a pencil eraser/rubber and some alcohol usually does it good job of that for me, you can also finish off with some non-corrosive contact cleaner after that). The TF1260 and the CPUs are generally pretty reliable as far as I've seen/heard.
@cevoner Жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta Thanks, but I think I have the misfortune of acquiring a non-offficial board (no logo) and may have non standard cheap parts onboard. I did the cleaning except the non-corrosive contact cleaner. What is that?
@raggededge82 Жыл бұрын
Jan, you have nearly created the A1200 of Theseus! Why don't you find a replacement main board, then you can put the original board back in your original case with the original keyboard, hard drive, and accelerator haha
@stephanemignot100 Жыл бұрын
A 50€ eMac is a good option, for me at least and it comes with everything including a CRT.
@teemum.9023 9 ай бұрын
33:00 use an internet browser, Google Earth and KZfaq at 1080p, Minecraft?
@paveljirku1104 Жыл бұрын
Hello Jan, where are you from? Greetings from Gablonz am Neise. Having issues with my A600 / Furia config, can you advise, please?
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
I‘m in northern Germany. Please send me an email (address is available on janbeta.net) and we’ll see if I can help.
@anticat900 Жыл бұрын
Would like to see an original ppc accelerator and it compares to this 68060?
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Unfair Blizz can contain 060 abeit slower clock so will lose any m68k calls unless Petunia OS4 is used and its 604
@anticat900 Жыл бұрын
@@RasVoja Checked a few videos and it seems the PPC is a little faster if less compatible?
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
@@anticat900 Its two different things: PPC adds not always usable accel. only WarpOS, powerUP and lighter OS4. If I would pick fast 604 with 040 or 060 with RTG gfx, I would pick latter
@aleksandrbmelnikov 11 ай бұрын
Getting an Amiga to run with an AMD K6-2 500MHz would be real nice.😁
@bradhansen2065 Жыл бұрын
Hey Jan, Any way I could purchase one of these RC chips? Brad Hansen “Amiga Future” Journalist. San Diego, Ca.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
I already promised the second chip to a friend at this point, sorry. I'll let you know if they don't want it (it's going to take me a while to properly test it anyway). Also, thanks for working on Amiga Future, absolutely love it! :)
@tytusromek9267 Жыл бұрын
Sind die SDtoEIDE adapter nicht besser, schneller sind die ncit aber die SD Karten Qualität ist besser und billiger sind die auch
@TPau65 Жыл бұрын
Jep, hab meinen ursprünglichen CF-Adapter mit Flachkabel (wie der von Jan) rausgeschmissen und hab 'nen SD-Adapter (der mit der zusätzlichen 90°-Platine) plus Micro-SD Verlängerung (ist RasPi-Zubehör!) eingebaut. Dank des Transparent-Gehäuses konnte ich die DVI-Blende für diese Verlängerung verwenden und ohne weitere Modifikation sogar noch 'nen Kippschalter zum ein/aus-schalten der TF einbauen. Jetzt hab ich meine System-Karte von hinten erreichbar, was doch SEHR komfortabel ist (und ich schon manches mal brauchte)!
@tytusromek9267 Жыл бұрын
@@TPau65 ich hab die an einem UDMA 100 getestet, schaffen auch max so 30MB/S aber die zugriffszeiten sind super und deutlich besser als die steinalten CF Karten. Dito die SDtoCF haben ja normale EIDE Anschuss, kann man mit Kabel gut positionieren.
@TPau65 Жыл бұрын
@@tytusromek9267 SDtoCF? Um SD-Karten mit vorhandenem CFtoIDE-Adapter zu verwenden? 🤔 Hier mal meine erwähnte SD-Karten Lösung, mit der ich recht zufrieden bin: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsyBaLF8s52zeWQ.html
@tytusromek9267 Жыл бұрын
@@TPau65 hab ähnlichen adapter
@pju28 2 ай бұрын
How to run optical drives?
@JanBeta Ай бұрын
With the appropriate drivers installed on the Amiga, you should be able to just connect them via the IDE port on the TF card or the internal IDE on the Amiga. Both should work fine and be more or less plug and play.
@ironhead2008 Жыл бұрын
Jan: "I'm not sure if this much speed is necessary." Me: Well a 16 core 32 thread Ryzen 5950x based system with 64 gigs of ram isn't "necessary" for light gaming. I still want it. What good are toys if you can't crank them up to 11 purely for shits and giggles!!! 68060 Amiga go BRRRRR!!!
@me0262 Жыл бұрын
33:05 There is no 'overkill'. There is only 'open fire' and 'reload'.
@brostenen Жыл бұрын
The most expensive area of old hardware, is the medical field. You can not just stuff something else into the machine, as you need the exact spare part for how the machine was tested and certified in the first place. That is what makes medical stuff so much more expensive than, lets say, the on the mill standard ET4000 gfx card.
@talideon Жыл бұрын
The amount of random crap you have to do with Amigas still amazes me. With RISC OS, the hard break was 3.5 because that's when it went from 26-bit (that had to do how condition flags were stored in R15) to truly 32 bit (which broke the way you're meant to save registers). It still blows my mind that 68K machines transitioned from a 16k bus to a 32k bus worse. Even with StrongARM involved.
@daw7563 Жыл бұрын
There is a known issue with 68060 and current version of sysinfo.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Yep, SysInfo is acting up a bit with several setups. I think the results I got in the end looked reasonable though (except for the fact that it wasn’t able to see the clock speed at all). :
@m2kkillshot Жыл бұрын
Jan I love the work safe sign in the background but there is now way that any company has ever worked the number of days that are on that sign safely and without any loss of time or production. Based on simple maths the original time worked was over 204 years and the current number of days is well over 203 years.
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
The numbers are actually just a reference to some of my favorite tv series. Maybe Google has the answers you are looking for. ;)
@bamseteddy602 6 ай бұрын
you have yo put a cooler on that cpu,please do it , i will start having nightmare's about thatt cpu
@JanBeta 6 ай бұрын
The 68060s don’t really need a cooler unless you overclock them. Mine gets lukewarm at most. Quite different from previous 680xx generations. The CPLDs on the card run WAY hotter.
@ApolloniosIX Жыл бұрын
wann kommt part2? ;)
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Please some 060 late games and apps test compared to 040
@uulapurojarvi9324 Жыл бұрын
I'm losing my mind over the title music you are using, what game is it from...
@erwin-1660 Жыл бұрын
Flip & Flop, C64
@uulapurojarvi9324 Жыл бұрын
@@erwin-1660 thanks a bunch. Couldn't get my head around it, although I've played that a lot in my youth 😊
@blenderbuch Жыл бұрын
October 2021? 🧐
@tommyovesen Жыл бұрын
I see 68060's on eBay from China for around 50 USD. Anyone tried these ? Fakes?
@10MARC Жыл бұрын
Those are generally the LC or even the lower version with no FPU or MMU. Avoid the one without the MMUm
@stevesether Жыл бұрын
@@10MARC Looking at them, they look like they're the 68LC060, which has an MMU but no FPU. I doubt much software takes advantage of the FPU, so I'm not sure why you'd want the one with the FPU for a few hundred bucks more.
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
@@stevesether Avoid that too
@daspec Жыл бұрын
- Jan Beta : I'm in, you have to pull out - Me : Honey is not what you think, I'm watching AMIGA porn!
@ChuckyGang Жыл бұрын
the XC is rev1 (maybe 5) . the MC is rev6 6 can be clocked to 100MHz. the others not. (1, 5 and 6 are full 060s with FPU and MMU)
@animaze86 Жыл бұрын
muppet.
@TheLemminkainen Жыл бұрын
Mac emulation rules on 060 :)
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Oh, I’ll have to try that!
@petrberanek4230 Жыл бұрын
Temperature of 68060? I removed Phase 5 accelerator card from A1200 because it tried to melt plastic inside with its hot Motorola CPU. remember, there is no cooling - no cooler, no fans, no airflow.
@stephenkennedy6358 Жыл бұрын
So MHz to MHz the 68040 is just as fast as the 68060.The 50MHz 68060 is only twice as fast as a 25MHz 68040. What's going on here, SYSINFO shows the 68060 as 2.05 times as fast as a 68040 A4000.
@stevesether Жыл бұрын
I noticed that as well. It's a little surprising there's not a greater boost in speed, since the 060 is a superscaler architecture similar to the Pentium. Maybe there's a good reason Motorola abandoned the 060 in favor of the PPC architecture? I'm just not familiar enough with the Motorola chips to know why this benchmark doesn't show greater improvement.
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
Sys info is unoptimized test and 060 can go 75 to 100Mhz
@stephenkennedy6358 Жыл бұрын
@Ras Voja`s Rasta, Retro and Resistance to Babylon so basic lyrics it's just a higher binned chip
@RasVoja Жыл бұрын
@@stephenkennedy6358 no it's pentium class
@kaitlyn__L Ай бұрын
@@stevesether Motorola switched to actual RISC, Intel switched to RISC-like cores; I wouldn't be surprised if both ran into similar issues when trying to scale up from the 060/Pentium for the successor.
@teemum.9023 9 ай бұрын
21:28 Intel Core i7-4790K Performance, 267.4 GFLOPS. That´s my 10 years old gaming PC and 68060 has 27 MFLOPS. That´s 10000 times slower
@little_fluffy_clouds 7 ай бұрын
MIPS is not a great comparison benchmark between different processor architectures, but yes, a 64-bit CPU from 2014 is supposed to be that much faster than a 32-bit one from 1994. 20 years in CPU technology is a lifetime. To put that in perspective, if you’re measuring MIPS, a modern day smartphone would be faster than the world’s fastest supercomputer from 20 years ago.
@kaitlyn__L Ай бұрын
@@little_fluffy_clouds and all that power is wasted on JavaScript and ads 😅 (awesome username btw, that was my introduction to making a whole track around a speech sample; as I suspect it was for many!)
@MichiMilchmelker Жыл бұрын
i always see the same 2 games on every 1260 video, it seems only doom and quake is possible with this card :D sarcasm off. i know that more is possible, but just strange nobody shows videos playback, mp3, etc. in today it seems like "well no video showed it on the inet, so why do you think this is possible?" like for the vampire, everybody only shows the same programms and later you know why.
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