Amiga 600 RGB2HDMI Review

Amiga 600 RGB2HDMI Review - Episode 117

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This week on 10MARC, I am covering the really awesome new RGB2HDMI interface for the Amiga 600 created by Joachim Firnhaber. This great little interface lets your Amiga 600 join in on the Raspberry Pi Zero fun and get a rock solid, non interlaced HDMI display!
Interested in this project? Check out...
github.com/jockel71/RGB_HDMI_...
How about checking out my pal Jan Beta's review?
• Amiga 600 RGBtoHDMI In...
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github.com/hoglet67/RGBtoHDMI...
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Index:
0:00 - The Opening Credits
0:16 - Monologue
5:00 - The A600 RGB2HDMI
9:25 - How does she look
12:12 - Fixing Overscan modes
14:16 - Games!
16:01 - UNLIMITED POWER!
16:22 - The Finicky Furia
22:25 - My Opinions...
25:59 - 10MARC Wins Retro Rewinds Contest
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@xsm5525 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you never EVER go over more than 10 minutes ;)

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Free Bonus Content, my friend... Free Bonus Content.

@8BitRetroJournal 2 жыл бұрын

You had me at the 21:56 mark :🙂 I incorrectly assumed the jpeg would be of some pretty girl at that juncture as I saw long hair and eyes, only to be surprised to see the elder wizard Saruman appearing before me...well done! It reminded me how slow image screen loads were compared to modern machines, where it's just instantaneous (takes away the anticipation). Someone had a shareware library of demo pics for the QL back in the 90's that loaded similarly fast (lower resolution and less colors, of course -- the QL's screen loads are interesting as they load sort of in parallel along 5 banks down the screen), and one was of a cute girl, so that's what got triggered, I'm guessing, when I saw your video at that time slot. Nostalgia can play fun games with your memory. Loved the video, thanks!

@kschristensen 2 жыл бұрын

I have of course subscribed to your channel, but just want to say, keep up the good work and people like you and the Amiga community keeps the Amiga alive and kicking :-)

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I am glad you enjoy the channel.

@kitkatv3 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Just purchased Worthy from the strikingly sharp graphics in your video. Thanks for sharing with us.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

I really like Worthy! It gets quite challenging and is a ton of fun! The audio is fantastic, too.

@deborahberi3249 2 жыл бұрын

Nice that you 'won' the Retro Rewind Contest! I'm gonna drive up the street tomorrow hopefully and hand off my stored and barely used Amiga 600 to Frank to recap it professionally. I'll wait till next month to do my Amiga 1200 but I'm not convinced I'll need to do my Amiga 3000 at all. Keep up the great Videos. -Mark.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Give Frank a big hug for me!

@CityXen 2 жыл бұрын

Those A600's are pretty neat. Wouldn't mind having one

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

NTSC versions are very hard to find, but PAL units are not too difficult to locate. Thankfully they work fine over here.

@32Bits 2 жыл бұрын

Another great Video. I still want to get a 600 for my collection good to know there is an RGB to HDMI option. Wish there were an AGA pi solution for the 1200. And yes you need an Amiga CD32! Not just to complete you collection but because its one of the best Amigas ever made!

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

One day I will get a CD32. Those little guys are a fortune right now!

@Ace_Man 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video👍 I also recommend the video Echa Ekranu 👍

@GadgetUK164 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Surprising the Furia doesn't work properly with MAPROM when using the RGB2HDMI - that makes me think there's a reflection issue on one or two of the connections that the RGB2HDMI is picking up! Unless it is a power / cap issue? Congrats on the Retro Rewinds Contest!

@linuxjedivideo 2 жыл бұрын

Power is likely. The traces for Denise in the 600 were not designed to draw the power for an RGBtoHDMI. The traces to the CPU aren't great either so I'd expect voltage drops.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

I suspected Denise power too, Andrew... So I did a naughty thing and temporarily provided USB power to the RGB2HDMI. I know one should not do both but I needed to test the theory. No change, she still locked up within just a moment. I 100% agree it feels like a power issue though

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks @GadgetUK164 - I suppose the only way to know for sure is to scope out some of the connections and look for issues. I just had it recapped by Retro Rewind, and it is brand new Power Supply (the higher end one) from Steve Clifford. I will keep experimenting and see what I come up with.

@davidwright9166 2 жыл бұрын

I remember the past a bit differently. At the time the A3000 came out few could afford it and the great pc migration was gearing up.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of us Amiga Fans did just scoff at the Amiga 600, and honestly for good reason. I picked up my Amiga 3000 in 1992 or so... And I did compare it with PC's of the day. A 386DX would have cost about $2500 - $3000 considering I had to have a new monitor, and a 486 would have been about $4000 or so. I was not even remotely tempted by the dirt cheap XT's and 286's of the day... They were a joke even when compared with my Amiga 500. In the end the $2100 or so I spent on my A3000/16 MHz in the early nineties felt like a good deal.

@bitoxic 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video Doug! Can you please do something similar on the amiga 1200?! 👍

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

That would be nice, but the RGB2HDMI solutions only support 12 bit color (4096) - not the 18 bit or 24 bit color the AGA Amiga supports. Maybe if it could be done with a better Raspberry Pi like a 3 or 4... But I don't think there is a ton of work being done on that. The MK III is a great solution, but a lot more expensive!

@gregdunlap7538 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't find anyone selling that cool Denise adapter at the time, and I was impatient, so I ended up soldering all the wires to my A600 motherboard! :D Works absolutely fine with my Furia though, and I have all its features enabled. I wonder if your Furia's being adversely affected by some electrical interference from that Denise adapter right under it?

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

It is very possible. Where are you getting your power from? I wonder if pulling power from Denise is causing an issue for me. You use Furiatune to map the ROM?

@larsenmats 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video :D I have the white version of the Furia. I bought it with a Sandisk CF card that was 'approved' to work with the Furia. I am only using Kickstart 3.1. I still had a lockup now and then. The only way to get rid of these lockups was to use a CF to SD card IDE adapter. I tired alot of CF cards. They would all give me lockups with the Furia. Using IDE to SD card made it rock solid. And again, I am not using the later kickstarts. Only plain old kickstart 3.1.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

I have tried two SD cards in my SDtoCF adapter and both failed. What model of SD did you end up using?

@larsenmats 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC i do not remember but i think it was a sandisk ultra

@cullmaster7361 2 жыл бұрын

@@larsenmats The Furia is a known problematic accelerator. If you watch Chris Edwards channel. He had to re-flash the card himself via a JTAG connection. If you can’t do this, then you have to send it off to the Furia guy, who can do this for you. I managed to get my White Furia working with 3.1 but using a Revision 1.3 mainboard and with a Transcend 4GB CF card. Even then using Furia tools with the IDEspeedup setting would lock the system up.

@oiho8351 2 жыл бұрын

I bought a 2nd hand Furia 40mhz. I thought I will struggle to get it to work with my 'brandless CF' card. But to my astonishment, it work 100%, no problem at all. I'm running the original V2.05 KS. Maybe I'm just lucky.

@keithbeesting 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Doug did you ever find a work around for the lockups. I've got the same issue and I have a Furia also if I remove the cpld adapter it runs fine no issues as soon as I plug it back on the chip I get lock ups I think the issue is the adapter is drawing to much power.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I did. I threw the Furia in the Trash and replaced it with the A630 accelerator. Problem 100% solved, several times faster, no PCMCIA issues and works with 100% of all CF and SD cards I have tried! (no... I did not really throw it away, just retired it)

@SunnySunGER 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! I do have a A600 but I can nowhere find this Adapter. Do you have any idea whre to buy this little beast?

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

The A600 version is not generally available from vendors yet, but the creators contact info is in the description, and he sometimes sells them. The parts are available to build your own of you are comfortable with that kind of thing.

@stephenbruce8320 2 жыл бұрын

Nice to have more options for the A600. I do own a Furia it works but it's a PITA. I have it installed a spare unit and its a work in process. I just don't have the time to play with it. I like the A600 for its form factor. I would not single out the A600 as a cheap computer because Commodore built everything as cheap as possible, yet our beloved Commodore Computers are still running today but are very fragile.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

I think they went "Extra Cheap" on the A600. Everything being surface mounted instead of socketed, cheap caps, etc... And yes the Furia is infuriating! Just when I think I have everything stabilized and working great... BOOM! Another lockup! I am going to try a few more SD cards... Many people have better luck with them. On a positive note, 3.2.1 seems marginally more stable than 3.2!

@Ami-Jimmy 2 жыл бұрын

What's up from 22:26 and forward?, with the dog on screen, looks like some interference.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

I saw that on the video, but I never saw it on the monitor! It sure looks like the RGB2HDMI was glitching, but I had Cookies image up there for about 10 minutes and never saw it in person. I can't imagine my camera caused it, but it's weird.

@Guroth 2 ай бұрын

Hey Doug, where did you get your adapter from?

@10MARC 2 ай бұрын

A guy I think in Poland sent it to me. It was a long time ago, I will have to find his contact info. Did I put it in the description of the video?

@stevenprohaska 9 ай бұрын

Who makes the mounting adapters? For months, I've been trying to find a good solution for mounting the hdmi connector to the back of my A600 that has its rf modulator removed. No one seems to make the adapter plates. You and Jan Beta are the only ones I have come across that have some kind of plate that allows the hdmi to be to the A600 motherboard. I don't like have a ribbon cable handing out of the back of my A600.

@10MARC 9 ай бұрын

Hmmm... Joachin sent me mine. Can you reach out to him thru his GitHub linked in the description?

@cullmaster7361 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video Doug. Just to note at the 10 minute mark (No pun intended 😉) the sound gets a bit crackly when demonstrating the finished product. As a thought I see you have the ex601 expansion card (604N clone). Don’t these cards have Denise DIP sockets? So why not have the RGB2HDMI connected to this socket? Just a thought, as I use mine with the Indivision ECS scandoubler. Albeit it’s a VGA analogue signal. But still a nice picture.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

My Mic was acting up, and I cut the crackle where I could. Looks like I need a new one! Good point... The ex601 does have a socket there... Is that for an actual Denise? Interesting thought...

@larsenmats 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC That socket is for the Indivision ECS.

@cullmaster7361 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC on the Indivision (Individual Computers) 604N. Jens mentions you can actually fit an A500 Denise chip in that socket, although it’s not necessary. As the ECS scandoubler also has to access the Denise. So to get around this that DIP socket (Like on the EX601) is used for the Indivision ECS scandoubler with VGA output. Do recognise not everyone will own the A603, 604N or EX601. But food for thought 👍🏻

@tomgandrup7534 2 жыл бұрын

First I want to say I love your videos. I have no problems with my RGB2HDMI together with Furia in my Danish A600 with OS3.1. Have not turned anything off in Furiatune. It is the red PCB with the latest software from spring 2021 However, have a question as I am struggling to find an SD card that my Furia will accept with OS3.2. I have tried Sandisk, Transcend, Kingston and noname, in 2Gb, 4GB, 8GB and 16GB. Unsuccessfully. What types did anyone find that worked?

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Crazy! The Furias are just Crazy! 3.2 and 3.2.1 are running pretty good on mine. The CF card I use is a 15 MBS SanDisk. Other SanDisk just don't always work. I have two new SD cards coming in Saturday that I will be trying to get working.

@tomgandrup7534 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Thanks for your reply. Will look forward to hearing if your new Sandisk SD cards work

@ninline2000 2 жыл бұрын

I bought an Amiga 600 many years ago for $100. I hated it and sold it a couple of years later for $200. I have several Amiga 500s and 1200s and some 2000s and 3000s and one 4000. I thought briefly of buying another 600 just to own one but I really did not like it so decided to pass on getting another one. The RGB2HDMI project is amazing but I wonder if the PiStorm isn't the better way to go.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

I agree the computers you kept are simply vastly superior. I cannot even get the PCMCIA to work reliably on my A600. The PiStorm project on the A600 is currently full of bugs and terribly unstable. I don't doubt that it's for the same reasons I am getting such unstable results. Our little A600 is just meant to be an 68000 based cheap and cheerful machine.

@ChrisEdwardsRestoration 2 жыл бұрын

and the twin towers to complete the ring.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

I would not have room for those! I do have tower cases for both an A3000 and A4000, both third party cases... But I keep them taken apart and just have their motherboards as spares. So bulky and loud!

@MallaganVloggs 2 жыл бұрын

your Palpatine impression was not awesome, Doug :) The hardware you display here, on the other hand, is. You're doing great, there's just... try working on the Palpatine impression, it's super important! ;) lol

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Was it the fact that no lightning was shooting from my fingers? I am working on that. To truly embrace the Dark Side, I need to do more shows on the Atari ST.

@MallaganVloggs 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC lol, yeah that's a great idea, Atari ST is the work of Satan :) in all honesty, I think it was actually a pretty ok impression.