tsssssssssssss and i got hyped because of this.... -_-. Also note don't forget my previous comment, it's fine to be subjective, objectivity doesn't really exist. You can call what it was or who he was, a massmurderer and so on...

Al Muqaddimah do a video on me

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@@zackamor8043 there’s a whole philosophy out there called “objectivism.” Amir Timur was a strategist, a military leader and a conqueror. Unless he went around and stabbed a whole bunch of people, I would call him a mass murderer, It would betray a certain lack of intelligence.

@@cyrusiiofpersia7932 Cyrus the great one of the best military commander of all time principles of military strategy emerged at least as far back as 500 BC in the works of Sun Tzu and Chanakya. The campaigns of Alexander the Great, Chandragupta Maurya, Hannibal, Qin Shi Huang, Julius Cæsar, Zhuge Liang, Khalid ibn al-Walid and, in particular Cyrus the Great Cyrus the great is one of the best military commander in history if not the greatest in history never lost a battle conquered Median empire, Neo-Babylonian Empire , Lydian empire, Gandhara Kingdom or empire was powerful state , Elam , ancient Phoenicia ,Cyrus' Conquest of Elam Part of the Wars of Cyrus the Great also beat Iranic nomads and others created the most powerful empire of is time the biggest the world has seen in that time Cyrus was outnumber many time for example Cyrus defeated Lydians three times. He won the battle of Pteria while he had 20 000 to 30 000 soldiers but Lydians had 90 000 to 95 000 He won the battle of Thymbra while he had 49 000 to 50 000 soldiers but Lydians had 105 000 to 110 000 soldiers. He conquered Sardis and defeated the Ionians. He established a large empire 10 years(or less) and rulled over it for 30 years. Cyrus the great was outnumbered in half of his battles. He never lost a war Cyrus defeated and conquered the 2 most powerful empires of is time tell me one military commander that conquered 2 most powerful empires of there time at there height the Medes and Babylonians were at the height of their power) AT HEIGHT OF THEIR POWER Alexander never beat Iranian empire at their height of their power) Hannibal Barca couldn’t even conquered Rome before Rome was empire and Alexander didn’t beat the Iranian empire at height and also Cyrus conquered 6 states or more and the 2 most powerful empires of is time Median empire and Neo-Babylonian Empire Cyrus the great military commanders are unknown peoples not popular not like Genghis khan , Alexander , Napoleon and others just imagine if Cyrus the great had the military commanders that Alexander had like Antigonus I Monophthalmus and Seleucus or Genghis Khan had like Subutai

interesting, I've also read that Tokhtamish had 7 Sons or so and One of them (the oldest I believe) was known as the "Green sultan"

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Can you please elaborate more

@@saif14218 There is quite a bit about this topic in the recent video on The Jackmeister: Mongol History channel: 'Ukraine in the Golden Horde: Mongol rule over Kyiv' (late into the video) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdR3ipahmdKqgIk.html You can also hear some more about the Lipka Tatars in the latest video on this channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdGBfc2V2quypGQ.html This is all just scratching the surface of what could be a topic of its own video (or several videos) but it's still better than what I could have quickly written in a comment.

@@Artur_M. thank you so much brother. This part of history is unknown to me. I will check out your suggestions.

Foul words. Even if Timur was barbaric still these words can't be justified

And I am sure he is a proud Muslim. This why no Indian should be Muslim

What a joke this channel is. Full of hate speak

Timur did burn Muslims alive in a mosk that's messed up

@@sophosalpha timur played double game to gain support of Muslims and mongols

@@Uhuss-qq6cq what peace did he gain for us? And I don’t mind if you just look at him as a man of his time, but unfortunately he’s more glorified in Pakistan. He’s not glorification worthy

@@Uhuss-qq6cq Well, you certainly get peace if there are no people alive to start a war...

You should tell them timur is a shia, i bet they will stop worshipping him

@the great han un han the great han un han I’m advocating for the opposite if you can comprehend what I said?

@@UnitedNationsSecretariat lmao factsss

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My sides my never recover

Started laughing in the middle of the gym set 😅

He was just a genocide killer.

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Majority of Uzbeks dont know about his massacres so thats why they see him as a father of the nation. However area of current uzbekistan brought a lot of great generals before Timur. Alp Arslan was born Khorezm who won a battle 1071 Manzikert which led to open anatolia for Turks. Saifuddin Qutuz was from royal family of Khorezmian empire. When mongols capture Khorazm he was sold as slave later ended up in Egypt. He rose to general of the army in Egypt. Saifuddin Qutuz is first general who openly without disputes beat the mongols. Battle of Ain Jalut. Mahmud Ghaznavi was born in afghanistan but his family parents were from Ferghana region. Zahiriddin Muhammad Babur Great grandson of Timur. Baburid empire captured india and ruled before British came. Seljuqs were mostly from that region.

@@user-wp7kg6qw1g It's not about great general's before him. Some Uzbeks actually know of his evil too, but think about it - before Timur Central asia used to be in complete Turmoil but after Timur since he brought so much wealth to modern Central asian region by looting delhi sultanate, Khwarazam, Egyptians and ottomans he actually did so much development in central asia and made it far more stable. That is why Uzbeks and many muslim praise Timur, he was a a savage warlord true, but he also brought prosperity and civilization to his own region as well.

@@azidahaka8543 he brought wealth and prosperity but destroyed too many nations. Called himself a Sword of Islam however he killed many more muslims. Sacked Baghdad, Sacked Delhi when it was under control of muslim Turks. I like his generalship, army, tactics. But he stopped Ottoman’s conquest in Europe due to his actions Ottomans went through rough civil war which lasted for 10 years. Khalifa Usman’s Quran was brought to Samarqand after Timur’s conquest of Baghdad. As an Uzbek my opinions may differ from majority of my nation. He destroyed too much of Islamic world when he had clearly skills and army to capture China. If he had succeeded to do so he would be viewed someone like Salahuddin or Muhammad al Fatih.

@@user-wp7kg6qw1g I do Agree with you. Timur did good for Central Asia but for rest of the islamic world he was cancer. He killed 500,000 muslims in isfahan and built their skull tower monuments, but still despite that we can't ignore he is also one of the best conquerors in history, there are many figures who were far far worse than him, also it was because of Timur that Mughal Dynasty became a thing which formed one of the most prosperous empire of all time in india. If you'll see from a neutral perspective he was a brutal genocidal dictator but he also cared for his own people and gave them so much too. On the very least it is not wise to say by this KZfaqr that he will piss on his grave. Even historians of west give him respect for his military and cultural achievements. PS : Funnily, Timur did planned to launch campaign against Ming Dynasty of China in 1405 AD, even allying himself with a enemy of ming kingdom but he died from cold when crossing Central asia loll

Glad you like them!

Timur shows that even a crippled man can do so much

You are mentally impaired.

I dont understand how Timur with what little is known of him is seen as some evil tyrant but Genghis Khan the man he emulated is not seen that way.

Nope. His tomb was opened on the 19th of June, 3 days before the invasion, and the Battle for Stalingrad ended on February 3rd, a whole one month and a half after Tamerlane was reburied

@@antoniochiodi4183 June 19th is pretty close to June 22nd which was the invasion. Battle of Stalingrad started Nov 19th and within 2-3 days it was clear USSR was going to win the battle.

@@jaichind You're absolutely wrong. The battle of Stalingrad started in August of 42, not November, and the German army dominated for close to 3 months. It wasn't until November that the Soviets started to turn the tide of the battle. Jesus, just admit that you were wrong about the opening of Timur's tomb having anything to do with the outcome of a war that occurred centuries later (a silly idea at best), and do some research next time. Is that too much to ask?

@@michaeltrent2599 Sorry when I say the battle of Stalingrad I really mean the USSR counter Stalingrad counter-offensive of 11/19/1942

The battle of Stalingrad wasn't turned by some sudden intervention. For at least a month (if not more, I'd have to check the date when it was decided to have the operation Uranus), the defenders inside the city were given just enough men and resources for them to be able to hold on to a small portion of the city and keep the Germans engaged, while a huge, over a million strong army was slowly being assembled and deployed in the rear. This army then punched through weak points in the Axis defenses both north and south of the city (the less well equipped German allies were completely wiped out) poured into the rear of the Axis forces and secured a belt around the city (and the German Sixth Army in and around it) that was too wide (and held very securely by the aforementioned million Soviets) for a breakout or a relief force to get through. If the Soviets did have any help, it came from Hitler and Goering - the latter boasted that he would be able to supply the city by air after if it "temporarily" gets cut off, and the former believed him. The result was that the Sixth Army, the strongest that the Germans had, did not try to retreat or break out early on while it had a chance, and was thus left to wither away as their supplies slowly ran out, adding the loss of a huge number of men (and not insignificant amount of material) to the defeat in the battle.

Sadly many people like to idolize power over morality. This is a very common things amongst humans. That is why histories' 'greatest' people are just a collection of the worst, most genocidal mass murders. If we lived under them we would despite them, but looking back at a sanitized version of history where everyone who suffered under them is long forgotten, it's easy to romantalize their brutality as being admirable.

@@muslimcrusader3085 You obviously make a great point, but there are many factors that lead to a man's "greatness". Caesar was loved by his people but hated by the political establishment. Alexander made Greek culture suprememe in his time but set the stage for chaos after his death. Muhammad created a religion that arguably brings a lot of peace and stability to the people who follow it. Whilst they all commit evil deeds to achieve their greatness,any of them did achieve positive things.

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How did you write your username in Ogham??? What strange magic be this?

@@lucasblaise11 copy and paste from relevant wikipedia articles :)

Thank you so much! Yes, I'm listening to feedback and trying to improve in whatever areas I can.

@@AlMuqaddimahYT would love a series on delhi sultanate. From ghaznavi onwards some indian ias preperation channels are doing classes on that period and even they are intersting. Woh kafi biased hain so neutral assesment would be great of balban iltutmush etc ka.

I visited his grave and of his family also of Imam Bukhari Rehmatullahalay and also of Hazrat Husayn Ibn Abbass Radiallahanhu. All places are the places of peace and theres a clear sense of calmness in Samarkand than of other places there. May Allah have mercy on him and increase his ranks in Jannat ul Firdous, ameen. Whether good or bad, Allah knows best. But muslims were already bitterly fighting amongst themselves other than Ottoman. Taimur was a beautiful essence of history.

We worship only Allah. Who told you that we worship him? You can say what ever you want to say how he was bad and all that but you can’t show 100% proof...

@RM: It appears that you have completely misunderstood and not comprehended what I was trying to mention..I have nowhere mentioned that Timur was worshipped by Muslims..I have said that he is seen as a hero in uzbekistan which is borne by facts...Furthermore I was not discussing only timur but I had mentioned that in various historical epochs, evil persons masquerading as good have dominated over empires..Furthermore the sacking of cities and mass murders done by timur have been illustrated by the narrator in the video and not by me...such actions are not those of a good ruler...therefore please first carefully read what I have mentioned which has nothing to do with Islam instead of reacting on your personal biases/prejudice...

It is entirely possible to respect the great achievements of a man while acknowledging his evil deeds. Caesar is one of my favorite historical figures but he was still an evil man who killed and enslaved the innocent. Men respect strength, and the men who excel in war do tend to be violent men.

@Liberty Prime I agree with your viewpoint..However just because a person has significant achievements does not mean that he/she is absolved of their evil deeds..even Hitler commanded a lot of respect and admiration of the German people initially but later went to ignominy due to the holocaust.. Furthermore strength need not necessarily be understood as using violence or fighting wars..in earlier times violence did give an edge however in today's age of nuclear weapons strength by violent means has become irrelevant..so the definition of strength keeps on changing..strength in modern times largely depends upon brainpower and also denotes one's ability to excel in a particular field like sports, fine arts, science, literature, etc.. also noone excels in violence as it leads to a vicious cycle which subsumes everyone..violence has never been effective in history towards resolving conflict even though humanity strongly believes in it..even Caesar was finally assassinated by Brutus and his own inner circle, so his evil deeds came back upon him in a karmic fashion..

Ahmad Ibn Arabshah The young Men from Damshq

There was an audio glitch in that one. I fixed it and reuploaded.

Al Muqaddimah good job ! I love Timur the Iron

Yes if this basic fact is missing it makes you wonder where they get their information from.

@@kazan2081 some sources claim otherwise; besides it is also a common fact that Timur declared himself an executer of divine will and so him just saying that Tukhtamysh was not a Muslim makes sense.

@@sulemanhaider1305 by that same logic then ottomans and dehli sultanate would not have been muslim. Most sources say Tokhtamysh was a muslim and it was an obvious power struggle between him and Timur.

He was indeed a muslim, and he named one of his sons Jalal

Very True. This guy didn't do proper research

Токтамыс а не Тоатамыш,он Казах,прошу исследоват историю правильно

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Lowest of the low often speak of such words which they can not live up too

Lowest of the low make comments like you just did.

Thank you! I think he could have. The Ming had just taken over China so there was instability but I don't know enough about Chinese History to give a more educated opinion. Maybe you can make a video on that?

@@AlMuqaddimahYT That make for an interesting video. Maybe WhatIfAltHist would be interested in another collab or something?

What a shame he never got to destroy them.

@@kazan2081 That Timur never got to destroy China?

@@HistoryandHeadlines i know thats why I said its a shame.

E.g. at 12:59 you tell us "Pir Muhammad then met Timur who was sweeping across Punjab. Cities like Pakpattan and Dipalpur were sacked, their population was slaughtered." Meanwhile you're showing us a map but with no indication WHERE on the map all this is taking place, where Pir Muhammad's armies came from, where they clashed. Heck, Pakpattan and Dipalpur aren't even on the map! These battles would be so much easier to follow and remember if we could have visual aids showing us the army movements and the clashes.

Thank you very much for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I'll try to keep this in mind in the future. In my latest video "The Fall of the Nasrid Sultanate" I have used a scroll to represent the position of characters. Similarly, I made sure all the cities I mentioned are on the map. I'll make sure my future videos are easier to understand. Thanks.

@@AlMuqaddimahYT thanks! I meant this as 100% constructive criticism--no one else but you is covering such great history from a non-Eurocentric perspective. You always manage to cover your topics honestly and yet with great care never to insult any figures from history who don't deserve it... which was why, despite my reservations, I found this to be a very fun video--Timur was not a nice guy, to be sure, haha! I think even those people who think of him as a folk hero would look at him less as a moral exemplar and more a titan and conqueror.

I appreciate the constructive criticism because yeah, I only upload a video when it's fine from my perspective but mine is not the only perspective and I'm grateful that you brought it to my attention. I shall try to rectify this problem in future videos.

As a hazara you mean

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@@Lipton3373 Hazara are turks not mongol, check hazara dna test

Thank you for the feedback! I agree with it. I realize Timur's movement is unclear. I've tried to change it since. I'll try to implement it as best I can.

Темур Чингизид,наш предок Казахстана ,🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿

You need to make jalal-ul-din your national icon who fought against chegaz khan and try to protect muslims of central asia instead of timur who killed millions of muslims.

@@aqlli_yechimlar Timur is a Mongol . Why you glorify Mongol ? He wanted to be Genghis Khan and fought for revival of Mongol empire . He is from Barlas tribe a Mongom tribe . He destroyed the Muslim world . Why are you proud of him ? Also the Uzbek killed the descendants of Timur and now you claim him ? Very idiotic behavior . You Uzbek destroyed his Gurkani dynasty and made Babur a Homeless , Babur then build his Empire in India the Mughals Empire . Babur with Iranic Emperor Shah Ismail of the Persian Saffavid dynasty destroyed your Uzbek Khanate and killed your Khan ( who was from the Borjigin line of Genghis Khan ) and make the Uzbek Khan's skull a drinking cup . The Mughals ( Timurids ) fought the Uzbeks for centuries . Now you claim Timur ? Very idiotic .

@@aqlli_yechimlar Jalaludin was a torn in Genghis Khan side and fought against Mongol occupation . Timur was a Mongol who idolized Genghis Khan . 🤣😂 so how can Jalaludin be one of your country nation when at the time Timur is also you hero ? 😂 . Timur would of killed Jalaludin for resisting Genghis Khan .

@@joerogue231 , Timur wasn't a Mongol, his tribe was Turkified. He raised as a Turk and a Muslim.

@@joerogue231 , the only stupid is you man. We claim Timur because we need national spirit, loser. He is the best general who founded massive Empire and built beautiful cities in Turkistan (Uzbekistan is rather new name). We respect Babur because he spread Islam in India and wrote memories in Turki language. And plus, Babur didn't killed Shaibani Khan, Shah Ismail did that, and that's why we have little relationship with Iran and shias.

How do you know this guy is unbiased?

And here comes Mecha Hitler. Thanks for the defiling a conqueror's grave, mate.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jd5pqdV-lc3MpHk.html for the Muslim brothers

After opening Amir Timur grave, exactly after 12 hours 2 World War started.

As a westerner I can thank him for breaking the hyper moralistic media in the west at the time So yeah He really indirectly made shakespears morally complex plays possible. Keep in mind this is due to how everyone saw him as a bad dude and yet he won so I GUESS GOD DOESNT ALWAYS WIN.

@Alghiffary Sikumbang why he killed his fellow Muslims

Ma sha Allah

Когда перестанете врать,Темур Чингизид,не надо воровать чужую историю,он наш предок Казахстана

Nope. Totally objective. Giving my opinion on him isn't being not-objective. I presented all sides of the opinions regarding him with as much honesty as I could, I didn't hide or distort any facts about him.

bro turkic people is actually persian. let me explain; Turkic history begins with first turkic khaganate and the official language was persian. The founder of turkic khaganate was Bumin Qhagan who came from a persian tribe ashina. They had persian traditions and made good relations with sassanid empire. Ashina believed to a iranic religion that is Zoroastrianism. When arabs took over all of the persia, both people adopted to islam. Persians and turks created new honorful empires together like ghaznavids seljuks and kwarazmians. They conquered the anatolia under a muslim persian commander Alparslan. In 1206 genghis khan united the all mongol and turkic tribes(mongolified persians) in mongolia. and the delhi sultanate (Turco-Persians) was busy on conquering india while genghis khan doing these things. The entire Turco-Persian world changed after the mongol conquest of khwarazm The mongols and various turkic nomads gave their DNA to the people who lives in iran. After 2 century. The persian hero Tamerlane came and conquered most of the middle east, sacked mamluks ottomans and delhi sultanate. let's talk about origin of the ottomans Osman (Founder of the ottoman empire) his ancestor was Alparslan who was a persian leader and ruled the seljuks,but unfortunately ottomans were arabized. they spoke persian for a century but after 1400's language of ottomans were arabic. Today on the world you can see 6 turkic originated states and you know Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan located in the central asia and they have "Stan" word which comes from persian language. These countries have persian traditions and speaks too different version of persian because of russia. Russia changed their language against qajar dynasty and called them as a different nation from persians maybe you cannot understand them but they actually speaking a language from iranic group. If we mentioned on Azerbaijan and Turkey, the azeri people has 100% persian ancestors and their language is very similar to persian language. Moreover 30 or 40 millions of azeri people lives in northern region of iran and they calling themself as persian. Turkey is only persian country which assimilated to a foreign race. :( so the Turkic people is actually an iranic tribe who assimilated by other nations I'm gonna leave some resources so you can read and correct me. ☺️ by the way may be I wrote some worng sentences by grammar, I apologise for this and sorry for my english. Respect from Sweden 🇸🇪 Have a nice day!

@@Timurid1370 wtf, Alparslan was persian? and ancestor of Osman, and Ottomans speak arabic&persian? lol I'll count it as irony, Actually for all

@@Timurid1370 Literally straight up completely wrong lmao

@@Timurid1370 Ajam Cope

​@@Timurid1370 wtf what what is the Ferndale idiot 😂😂

I was surprised to hear the pee on the grave line.....very unprofessional

I agree, highly unprofessional and childish

What? Would you honor the name of a mass murderer?

​@@ruzzsverion2728ikr, these people don't know what he had done to his fellow Muslims in Baghdad and Damascus. An ironically he called himself the Sword of Islam.

@@owaisaliumr786 Sultan Timur was a muslim and is now dead. You should never backbite a muslim, especially one who has died because it's haraam to backbite.

You should search about what he did to the Muslims in Baghdad and Damascus.

Fixed the audio glitch.

@@AlMuqaddimahYT oh

Not to mention the animal rights issue. Poor elephants...

Do you believe cow is god?

@@RM-le1up he's not wrong. Timur killed more Muslims than any crusader did lol

@@jamieammar6131 Crusader Yes, Christian No. The French colonizer monarchy from 1800 onwards and Queen victoria in india post 1857 failed revolt actually killed more muslims. Also, Mongols killed way way way more muslims. Hulagu khan killed 8 million muslims in Baghdad alone

@@azidahaka8543 Are you kidding me ? 8 million in Baghdad ? What was the population of Baghdad during that time lol. It was at most 200,000 to a million, according to history anyway. 8 million..lmao.

@@jamieammar6131 Baghdads population at that time was 20 million or 2 crores which is equivalent to population of delhi now, it was the biggest city ever build till that time and, also Baghdad wasn't limited to a city, it was a small city state of it's own. Also having some of nearby area surrounding the city and it was the last base of Abbasid Caliphate's powerhouse and finances as well.

This guy is Timirphobia. All the commanders haven been killing others historically same way Timur did. If Pakistani man was a conquerer, Pakistan would pay tribute to that person. Besides being good at what he does which strategic war, he passed forward to today's generations some wisdom as well.

@@simplelivinguz Dude are you insane? Timur has killed more Muslims in history than anyone bar Genghis Khan. He massacred the entire populations of Baghdad, Damascus, and Delhi. All he did was conquer and pillage. He left no institutions behind, no cultural or scientific advancements, nothing but rivers of blood and towers of skulls. If you want someone to give the title Sheikh-ul-Islam to, give it to Mehmed II, or better yet Suleiman the Lawgiver. That is a ruler to admire. He committed atrocities in war, yes. But he also patronised architects, reformed the Ottoman administration, promoted tolerance, and patronised artists and scientists. If you look at Istanbul today, you see the impressive legacy of Mehmed and Suleiman, a beautiful city rich in culture and history, whereas Timur's legacy is nothing but genocide. Timur was just another steppe barbarian like the Mongols he admired so much, living in a violent culture that prized conquest over actual governance.

@@partibananathurai5862 sure. At least not insane yet. I feel some subjective emotional response from you here. He was just another efficient warrior and a king. You should also look at positives as well. Warrior is a Warrior. Also did not understand what's wrong with someone being "steppe"? You seriously need to expand your horizon

@@simplelivinguz He was very efficient, yes. Efficient in massacring women and children and piling up towers of skulls. Timur was a bloodthirsty psychopathic barbarian. Stop idolising him and start idolising Muslim rulers who actually built civilisations, like Suleiman, or Harun al-Rashid, or Abd al-Rahman. There are so many impressive Muslim rulers who were competent, powerful and also tolerant, and yet you choose the warmonger who left nothing behind to worship.

Он не узбек,Темур Чингизид наш предок Казахстана,правильно исследоват историю

Темур Чингизид,историю воруете,он не узбек ,не стыдно,Темур наш предок Казахстана 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿

@@user-hr2mo3em4xno Timur was forefather of USSR.

Are you saying blood shed is required to the Muslims in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus?

Nah bro

I agree. His techniques of brutality and raiding made him perhaps the most beloved general (by his army) in centuries.