Another reef science episode on how to improve the coloration of corals, especially SPS
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@mastergecko11784 жыл бұрын
Not a lot of hobbyist use scientific studies to be more successful and just go by general consensus or anecdotal evidence, nice work and keep it up.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@garrycole91874 жыл бұрын
You are the only Reefer who don't just promote a product even if that product works. Excellent work and thanks for reading these papers because they would definitely just put me to sleep.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Garry Cole thabks Garry
@michaelrogers28914 жыл бұрын
I think that you explain some of these papers pretty clearly. I'd like to see more content like this.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Michael rogers thanks Michael! I certainly plan on doing more reef science videos! Cheers
@donwilliams38483 жыл бұрын
agreed. I really like this.
@danyalkhan14634 жыл бұрын
You and Jake adams are carrying the hobbies understanding of reef tanks. Keep it up man
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Danyal Khan wow - that is great company thanks
@solo6362 жыл бұрын
This should have 20k likes atleast by now,great work. Keep up the great content 👏.
@TheBioReef2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Solo!
@stlreefer1744 жыл бұрын
This is the most useful reefing vid I’ve seen in a long long time. Thanks for putting this together. You are an easy watch. 😎
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! Tell your reefing friends to check out the channel! all the best
@schummelpilz4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE these videos! thank you so much for taking the time to share all this information. These reef science videos are seriously some of the best reefing content I've ever seen!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks so much Darkwing! i appreciate the feedback!
@saltyreefburger6644 жыл бұрын
Hey Amro, I appreciate the time and effort you put in to make these awesome videos! Very interesting and informative studies that you have been researching and I look forward to the update!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@elijahsiemering86704 жыл бұрын
You’re awesome man! Thank you so much for taking the time and researching subjects that help the hobby. Really love the videos!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@fostee12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your scientific work. Please don’t get corporate sponsorship. Keep it real.
@TheBioReef2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Always keeping it real!
@braveheartreefer5254 жыл бұрын
Will be very interesting to follow along and see the results you get. Great research you have done on this subject thanks for taking the time to do it it’s much appreciated and thanks for sharing
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks Braveheart!
@klowranc10 ай бұрын
Awesome video thanks for your research!!
@sunnygoold94494 жыл бұрын
Halfway thru and this is just brilliant - definitely the best reefing video of the month ;)
@sunnygoold94494 жыл бұрын
Just about to turn up my lights ;) With my new RSR250 thinking about lighting before I decided on the tank I wanted really good coverage and I was thinking 500PAR... especially after seeing what Abe does. I have LPS put I'm putting them in the shade. Also hearing yellow is rare makes sense - I am always after yellow. I wonder if it does better under 200PAR - like they always say Bird of Paradise Seriatopora is yellow in lower light. My issue is I don't have a PAR meter but I guess based on my light and what others have run that I will hit 500 if I run it at 50%... I'm at 15% now so a long way to go ;)
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sunny!
@mosheifrah55304 жыл бұрын
as always excellent videos! Thanks a lot for these great bibliographical summaries!!!!!!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
moshe ifrah my pleasure Moshe
@fuffoon Жыл бұрын
My scientific approach is to purchase known colorful specimens and keep the parameters stable. Red Sea AB+ had a positive effect on restoring color to new acropora frags. Nice lights help a lot.
@frederiknitsch36804 жыл бұрын
Love the Videos! looking forward to the updates!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@WallyB_4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!!! Love this scientific summary. Makes so much sense and nicely brings together the puzzle pieces? You covered not only coloration, but also growth and nutrition. All the best with your new journey with your new setup? There may be some challenges as you are going to push limits, however that will just make it a little more exciting.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Wally b thanks Wally!
@homegrownreefer4 жыл бұрын
awesome video! i will definitely read that publication! your tank looks good also! thanks for sharing! acropower is an awesome amino acid!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@davidnieser47404 жыл бұрын
Nice job. Enjoyed!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Thanks David
@maceysdaddy51504 жыл бұрын
Well done sir. More shared research furthers the hobby and this was a great share! My tank really took off after I rented a par meter and dialed in the intensity and spectrum. Acros get 650-300 par depending on location & type. Have to dose Red Sea colors to keep up the ICP results at sea water numbers. At that point aminos are crucial. Thanks for the video. I listened to it twice.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
That is awesome! glad you liked it!
@MereReef4 жыл бұрын
Amro love you man.. you’re an amazing reefer
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks man!
@matta53532 жыл бұрын
Excellent content, well presented, thank you.
@TheBioReef2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@diogogoncalves91094 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Well done.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@patolxi3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reviewing this paper for us. One thing that I’m missing in the original study is the analysis of par between 100 and 400. In some cases, The graphs show that the amount of proteins saturates at the 400 par and there’s a significant difference between 100 and 400. However, this saturation might as well occur at the 150 par. Unfortunately, the low resolution of the samples wouldn’t show that.
@TheBioReef3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it certainly a limitation. Although the study is still valuable in my opinion. It’s not always tractable to add extra conditions because it adds to extra efforts and expenses and I am guessing marine biology is not funded at the same rate as medicine.
@Coralhead_4 жыл бұрын
Working in Aquaculture with daily ICP testing you saying that Traceelements haven't had a effect on color is just mindbending to me. Light and nutriants are only a part of the equation. At high PAR levels Iodine/Zinc are extremely important to prevent corals from bleaching. Running Manganese a bit higher and suddenly red colors overlay other colors, same happens with Iron and the color Green. Another observation we made is that our LPS dominanted Systems update Vanadium in a much higher rate then our SPS systems. There is a lot more but don't want make a wall of text. 🤣
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
its great to get your feedback ... more please!... yes i wonder if my lack of trace element depletion was simply caused by me 'not pushing' my system...
@garrycole91874 жыл бұрын
If you have all this information and observation, why aren't you analyzing it and making some conclusions and recommendations off those conclusion. If you are just keeping it to yourself as a "trade secret", then that does no one who is just a hobbyist any good.
@Coralhead_4 жыл бұрын
@@garrycole9187 hey we'll be doing exactly that soon with our updated ICP homepage. We noticed that the higher the stress caused by extreme Blue/UV lighting schedules the more coral consume certain trace elements. I'm no marine marine biologist who tested coral tissue for months to see what exactly they stored in it but a aquarist working in a huge Aquaculture facility/ Aquarium supplement producer with daily ICP testing. If you want to know something ask away :)
@banks29933 жыл бұрын
Coralhead Reefer what elements exactly ?
@tomg54052 жыл бұрын
@@Coralhead_ what is you webside and where we can get this informations? Vanzdium is good for what? It is all time depleted in my mix reef
@aquaristicenthusiast12184 жыл бұрын
I look forward to future videos to see the progress because I am currently in the same place, so keep it up and let us know how it goes!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Will do! thanks!
@MereReef4 жыл бұрын
Keep posting vids often ❤️
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
will do :)
@Roberto_Runner4 жыл бұрын
You can see here one of my SPS tanks : denadai-reef.com/reef-600l/ I never dosed aminos or trace elements in this tank. Here another tank with po4=0 and No3=0 : denadai-reef.com/reef-atual/ I never dosed aminos or trace elements in this tank And here you can see my current tank : kzfaq.infoUgypdw5foD88h5tVTZl4AaABCQ This tank has no3=0 and po4 = 0.01/0.02 and dosing aminos and traces Just my two cents :-) Best Regards
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
your tanks look great Roberto. i also had some really nice colors in the redsea reefer 250 over the past several years; i know that you don't need to much to get decent color. But what i am trying to do with my rebuild is to really push the envelop in terms of how the corals look. I am trying to get them to make more intense pigments, and i think that it may be helpful to supply them with nutrients... kinda of like body building ;)
@tomg54052 жыл бұрын
Wich amino and trace are you dosing?
@Snipes2874 жыл бұрын
REALLY appreciate this video...who would have thought an actual educated response to the age old question of coloration. Also interested to hear which amino acid product you choose and why you chose that specific product. Thanks :)
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks, doing some research on this now!
@angryowlaquariums404 жыл бұрын
Well done! 🍻🦉
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@aarondus4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic distillation of the research and applying them to your tank. I can’t wIt to see the results over time. Those frags will grow in no time. One ask- can you please add the papers you referenced in the description? I’d love to read them and know others may as well without going down the google rabbit hole. Thanks for the scientific POV!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Aaron Dus will do, thanks Aaron
@volteface694 жыл бұрын
Merci pour ta vidéo !!! 👍👍👍
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@jeffsreeftank4 жыл бұрын
Nice job 👍🏾👍🏾
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Jeff’s Reef Tank thanks Jeff
@chenke94214 жыл бұрын
Thank you for video! It is very interesting! Could somebody give a link for document of Melissa S. Roth?
@greghirtle66054 жыл бұрын
Interesting video can’t wait to see how your progress on the tank goes. What kind of time increments will you use on ramping the par up?
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Greg Hirtle thanks. I’ve been doing 1% per week so far
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
I may slow this down the higher I get
@houseofsharpeis93662 жыл бұрын
High par needs high nutrients. However you want to do it. High export high feed or keeping a balance with them there.
@glennrudolph4 жыл бұрын
New sub for you! 🙋🏽♂️🙋🏽♂️ awesome video!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Glenn Rudolph thanks Glen, welcome to the blue
@bigadventure37974 жыл бұрын
A shallow water Acro likes high light. Revolutionary! lol. Good information though...just playing. It sounds like PAR around 400 is a good starting point for SPS... and interesting theory that higher light may spur uptake of trace elements. Please do a video on Amino's. I love your scientific angle on the hobby.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Big Adventure thanks! 😉
@bearded-flipflop71224 жыл бұрын
Great informative video, are there any of these type of papers, that you are aware of for euphillias at all. I'm assuming that colour spectrum can shift colours slightly. I have had the same hammer coral under the same viparspectra led for 3 years, I recently changed 20 of the leds out adding more royal blues and violets and removing the yellower leds. This has resulted In the stems of the hammer that were the browny in colour to have a green hue to it now.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
bearded-flipflop I haven’t seen papers on euphillias per say / most of the research is focused on ‘reef building’ corals, aka the Stoney corals. I think there may be some things that may translate over but not entirely sure
@bearded-flipflop71224 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef thanks, just thought I'd ask. Especially as you had spent time looking into it
@jluusaltwateraquarium83204 жыл бұрын
Wows super fantastic saltwater aquarium and Acropora corals too... I wish my tank likes your tank don't knows when it happened....
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@Saltydog5474 жыл бұрын
Great indepth study of coral requirement and light. Prior to my tank crash (due to something else), I didn't know much about par requirement and use my ATI 8x80w light barely 2 inches away from water surface. SPS were growing like crazy with crazy fluorescent. Later I borrowed a par meter and realized that my sps were receiving between 600 to 800 par. So when I hear studies that says about 300 par is sufficient I was quite sceptical. In any case, great video. Any particular brand of amino acid are you thinking of dosing? I would like to give it a try too.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
thanks Salty - have a look at this vid re. amino acid kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hKhka8-qlti7lok.html
@tomg54052 жыл бұрын
How many hours per day did you run them?
@user-nk5dx5xu3d4 жыл бұрын
Nice vedio
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@optimus2402994 жыл бұрын
Great video finally something scientific. Can you find info about flow :)
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
will look into it
@dirtydogsanddiesel4 жыл бұрын
Good vidieo thanks 👍 I have recently began dosing oceamo. I dont think its available in the US but it may be of interest to you to read up on their regulators A and O, a lot of that ties in with your video 👍
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
I will check it out
@MQReef4 жыл бұрын
Waiting for your results on more light and effect of Amino acid and Traces.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
MQ Hobby working on a vid now showing some early results
@holgerkoob93392 жыл бұрын
Very intresting your Video. Do you get cyanos when you run so much blue? How high Do you run the pointintensity at your Radions at the ab+ schedule? Greetings from germany.
@TheBioReef2 жыл бұрын
Hi Holger. No issues with Cyano. I run my lights at 81% intensity
@holgerkoob93392 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef thank's for your quick answer and these realy good Informations out of your clips.
@theguitarist19774 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this information. Your sps look stunning. I am currently loosing my sps (non acro) as I tried to raise nitrates by spectracide (tree stump remover diluted according to Holmes Farley's direction). I guess what I am trying to understand to get those stunning Sps what is: 1. PAR 2. Nitrates and phosphates 3. Alkalinity And how much stable do you keep those parameters? That is what I am trying to find out. I tried very low nutrients(with all like 7.7 to 8) for long with high light (like 300_350 par) but growth was not good. So I started playing with nutrients and then it nuked everything. Thanks
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
sorry to hear that... i dose KNO3 (although pharmaceutical grade stuff, not stump remover) and i find that it typically helps - gives the corals a bit of a pop!
@theguitarist19774 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef Cool thanks. I should not have done that and followed what the forums say. Feel so stupid now. I tried adding some carbon in a bad to try and extract whatever toxins were introduced by the stump remover. So what are your parameters like?
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
@@theguitarist1977 about 8.5 dkh, 450 ppm Ca and 1300 ppm Mg. I like to keep nitrates between 5 and 10 and i dose KNo3 whenever it drops. Phostphates are currently 0.16 ppm; i dose postasium phosphates whenver they drop below 0.05
@theguitarist19774 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef I see thanks for the Stats. My nitrates were zero, phosphate was 0.04 (using Hanna) and alk like 7.9-8dkh. I tried to raise nitrates to like 3ppm then hell broke loose. I have a very strong ats algae scrubber as well as biomarine block and spheres in the sump. So it seems i am doing it by the book much more than i should. One way i am thinking to raise nitrates is to try and turn of the skimmer. But after i get out of this bad shock i have in the system, will start playing with that. Thanks again
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Rafik Kamel you can also cut down the time your algae scrubber is on and reduce amount of marine blocks... I like the skimmer because of the extra aeration. I had a very similar experience when I started... was stripping the water of nutrients and sps were very pale.
@d1nternal4 жыл бұрын
I have trouble keeping Pinks and Reds, I end up turning them Green. I wonder if it's because, i'm increasing the GFP in them. As I'm smashing them with Radion 4's and 5's at 100% intensity..
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
yeah, what i learned from this research is that some colors can come and then go if PAR is too intense...
@juanc65363 жыл бұрын
You have a huge colony of acropora carduu, mine when it grows a lot begins to fight for the center, I have cut it twice and except for the cuttings and it continues to grow but I can't have it like that, my light and current parameters are correct and not I feed the corals, I don't know if you have any idea what might happen. With other colonies of acropora this problem does not happen to me
@TheBioReef3 жыл бұрын
Yep you have to keep cutting it or it may take over
@juanc65363 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef But you don't know why I can have that problem right?
@TheBioReef3 жыл бұрын
@@juanc6536 no. Perhaps some colonies are moe aggressive than others
@Up-ey6tm4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Btw, par meter is needed then..?!
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Aqua Cyber thanks. Yep I check par occasionally with my seneye
@Ellery-USA4 жыл бұрын
I have found the exact same summary through the years. May try to make my own amino acids after I finish my last gallon of acropower. I am finding having a higher fish load and nutrient level is better. I am letting my NO3 reach 10ppm and PO4 level =0.12ppm
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
cool... are there AA recipes out there ?
@Ellery-USA4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef I saw one thing on R2R but not really a recipe per se. It's a pretty expensive experiment but the person had been using it since last Nov with no ill effects and looked as good poly extension as the Brightwell stuff he used to use.
@Ellery-USA4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef Check out my DIY Reef Notes page I saved it there. facebook.com/notes/ellery-wong/diy-reef-tool-kit/10154079287486250/
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Ellery Wong nice Thanks!
@marcelrodriguez20673 жыл бұрын
Sadly that Light test was done under T5s which is different from LEDs. Corals do fine under 900 par from t5s, 900 par from LEDs on the other hand is almost certain death.
@OsoreShirazu4 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting studies. I guess the only issue I have is your conclusions are nearly identical to almost every other major source of information in the reefing community. Increase par, feed heavily and check your dosing levels...that’s what everyone says to do. But I suppose it’s nice that all the scientific papers you found just left us with the same conclusions we’ve all found anecdotally.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
There are some finer points... some pigments increase proportionally with PAR, while others plateaux and then decline...
@NickM924 жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought those “rainbow” acro photos were photoshopped. It turned out they actually look that colorful in person.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
i have yet to see a homewrecker or a walt disney that looks as good as the pictures... :)
@robecom14 жыл бұрын
Most them are “enhanced” photos with reds and oranges bumped up
@robecom14 жыл бұрын
Some of the most colourful ones are under actinic blue lighting as well. The real test for colours are those under a 14k MH light or full spectrum light.
@NickM924 жыл бұрын
Depends on the owner. I’ve seen some just as nice as the photos but definitely some vendors photo enhance.
@bigadventure37974 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's just my LFS or my limited exposure to awesome display tanks but I haven't seen a truly stunning ACRO display in person. Even when I went to WWC in Orlando nothing really wowed me in terms of ACRO. The Lagoon tank blew my mind though. Getting discouraged over here.
@TheTrevor404 жыл бұрын
What intensity % are you going to run your Radions to get that PAR?
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
have a look here - there is a par map with different intensities, about 75% on all three right now kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bMh8h8mi1-DRf4k.html
@TheTrevor404 жыл бұрын
AmroAzul TV very nice. I have a gen 4 XR30 Pro over my reefer 170 running ab+ schedule. I’m around 70% peak but would love to ram up to around 80% as well to be closer to 400 PAR. I’ve been making weekly changes coming up from 50% a few months back.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
@@TheTrevor40 Wow... 4 xr30 on a reefer 170 !!!! you will have no problems will lighting the corals, guaranteed!
@MereReef4 жыл бұрын
When you say blue light in the video is this royal blue? Or uv and voilet mixed in? And were the uv and voilet ran at max
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
MereReef it was a specific wavelength / I’ll look at the paper and get back to you soon
@MereReef4 жыл бұрын
AmroAzul TV thanks amro
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
Ok, blue light = ~450 nm; this i think corresponds to royal blue
@MereReef4 жыл бұрын
AmroAzul TV see the reason i asked it... there have been a few expert reefers.. wont mention any names but they ALL recommend that you run the uv and voilets lowww like half the percentage you run the royal blue at.. they say uv turns the corals green.. i did this test high uv and some of my acros turned green.. when i lowedred the voilet and uv the corals started to change colour to what i would call natural colours
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
MereReef interesting. Is it the UV the turns the corals green or is it that the UV excites green fluorescent protein making the corals shine green... not sure...
@MQReef4 жыл бұрын
Wow. How u manage Mg level since u hav lot of Coraline etc
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
MQ Hobby no sure / I think the ca esv part contains Mg
@ironsoul1014 күн бұрын
anyone else see the blenny go into the power head at 24:52 lol
@josephposada18302 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a reduction in prices can help average people like me
@laurens62674 жыл бұрын
Get yourself some t5 or even better metal halide, the corals will look better. If not turn up your whites on the led. Corals need full spectrum (leds dont have that) especially at higher par. People have known this for decades with far better tanks then the great led tanks now. IMO there is some loss of knowledge on lighting in the hobby/on the forums. par is not everything as it only reads certain spectrum, leds only produce this spectrum. Stop dosing no3 and start feeding more. Corals like taking ammonium not nitrate. Keep your n and p low with export (chaeto) if you want great colors.
@TheBioReef4 жыл бұрын
i think i will probably need to add more white on the LEDs to increase PAR to the levels i want... Alas, while i think T5s are great, i really love how sleek the Radions look over my tank... and i don't get a lot of light spillover. my tank is in the living room so it has to look sleek as well
@laurens62674 жыл бұрын
@@TheBioReef It is possible to have good results with those lights as well, but you cant compair 500 +par ab+(radion) with 500+ par mh or t5. The t5 will have a much wider range of spectrum with IR (750+ nm) and UV (around 350 nm). Corals will tollerate much higher par with t5 and mh because of that spectrum. The leds certainly look great, and wont cause much heat! I have a ATI sunpower on my current build and it has no spill and looks great IMO.
@tomg54052 жыл бұрын
The problel if you feed a lot the phosphate go higher quicker than the nitrate
@NatFablife4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, hopefully you like mine aswell
@dcobbler88972 жыл бұрын
I guess ill just read the papers since this turned into a science class 🙄🙄🙄 bruh… cut the fat and give us the skinny jesus
@TheBioReef2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha :) science is my jam. Also, seeing is believing. YT is full of channels of folks passing opinions as facts. I like to show the science and then discuss it.