Yes, that's why they're sequels

Avatar 6 though....

@@SugaryCoyote ... is a mastahpiece! ~here comes the money~

whe... did these movies come out, and I missed them? There's still only one movie still, right? Or what timeline am I in?

TheVeR01 I'm p sure there's I only the first movie. Since the second one doesn't come out till Dec. 2020.

David Newgreen it would slightly work too, because Navi can’t breathe the same air as humans

If I think about it cynically, it's probably because it would be a subliminal message about the Na'vi adopting Earthling culture and using their own as a means of profit. More likely, however, is just that not one Disney Imagineer had this awesome idea. :I

I think people give corporate imagineers too much credit.

Aliens acting like humans acting like aliens acting like humans.

Kyle Frank Yeah, it’d be like a weird reflection of that stereotype of natives building casinos and shit.

Beauty and the Beast (2017)... Beastly... Fantastic Beasts... Beastly Kingdom... I only cover topics involving beasts

i giggled at this for too long

@@JennyNicholson What are you suggesting? *eyebrow wiggle*

😂😂

When Jenny said beastly kingdom this is exactly where my mind went

Classic Disney!

This whole video, I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, where Jenny would reach a hidden cavern with Na'vi prisoners locked in cages, being experimented on, and desperately trying to tell guests that the stories and pictures in the park were all a lie. It seemed heavily hinted at, with no Na'vi visible in the park and all of the employees acting shifty/awkward when asked about the history. But alas, that was too clever or perhaps too uncomfortable for Disney to do.

Avatar Land feels like something the nebulous evil company from those movies would make to exploit the Na'vi and their traditions.

@@amityislandchum I don't know if it's actually clever, it would be pretty horrifying PR for the kids to have the entire theme park be essentially a perpetual concentration camp enslaving their heroes. There can't be any ways to free them in the lore otherwise the park has to stop existing, so the kids would just cry and no longer be able to enjoy the facade of the park held up by the humans.

For real, it's yet another reason for why the choice of Avatar is so baffling

godddd that would be so dark

For me, it made me think of this creepy WW2 propaganda film the American government made, filming the Japanese-American citizens they had rounded up to be kept in internment camps. They were filming these scared looking families, with a voice-over saying something along the lines of: "These Japanese-American citizens are so happy to be working hard for our country, and are grateful for the work we're giving them!" I felt so bad.

This comment slaps so hard

@@PissyLissy Jesus

​@@PissyLissy That's incredibly unsettling.

Oh my god you’re right! Why didn’t Disney think of this lmao

What's even scarier is that both Avatar and Invasion of Body Snatchers feature pods as a key plot point, as a convenient invasion technique. Coincidence... I wanna say not, but then Jenny's glowing pod just brainwashed me to plant all those strange seeds being mailed to us, so I'm now forced to deny any of the pod's questionable actions.

Earth man's method of trying to connect with another planet's inhabitants in this film is like White people trying to connect with an African tribe by wearing Blackface. It's demeaning, insulting and creepy.

H.G Wells: Hmm... if only someone could write a novel about this?

Actually Avatar is a [overly long and boring ] remake of "Dances with Wolves" and "Pocahontas"

"Here's some pieces of plastic you can put on a string to replicate their look. Here's their skin as a costume. They're cool with this I promise. No, you can't ask them right now."

@@aurora5481 right

@@aurora5481 "Also yeah when we first came we were murderous dicks but the second time around we sent a nicer group and it was aaaaall fiiiiine even if w did basically the same again" It's almost poetic

Avatar both appropriates Native American culture AND dehumanizes them, it’s an impressive feat of ignorance.

its unintentionally ironic. its laughably sad

came here for the exact same reason lol

I literally found a comment I made when this video first came out that’s like “idk if my commitment issues can handle an hour long video about a theme park I don’t care about”. Fast forward 3 years when I watched the 4 hour long Evermore video in one sitting, with no hesitation, even though I have even less free time now 💀

@@artemiswolf4508 ME MAN ME TOO

* me too man me too

I too watched this video for the billionth time. It's just so wild to see a park with some issues but the genius of imagineers behind it in comparison to a park with an imaginative millionaire behind it. I think it's fascinating to compare the two. Where there are both honest critiques but one is...keenly detailed, thought out,and funded to the brim

and the fact that the word is so shortened makes it seem like it’s an extremely common, almost slang word. what’s up bladder polyp

not to mention, she got duplicates, so there probably arent very many total words in the deck. so bladder polyp was a high priority word 1) for the linguists who invented the language na'vi to translate 2) for them to print on those cards ??

My guess is either 1) whoever was in charge of picking out words to use chose "bladder polyp" at random as a way to indicate Na'vi had their own medical terminology, 2) Jenny unfortunately bought a pack that just got a ton of duplicate cards, and/or 3) the Na'vi have terrible urinary tract infection issues due to the pollution and environmental destruction from the humans continually stripmining their resource-rich planet, so much so that they ended up developing this word as a way to indicate this was a nasty symptom of their failing health.

​@@thejasminedragonmerchant6843my burdened heart believes our world can handle the latter and in Avatar 3 we explore a volcano where they cured Na'Vi Cancer with just like, ash and spit. It's my right

"Bladder Polyp" is the name of some alien plants that grow on the surface of Pandora, so I assume that that is what it is referring to. However, that does mean that someone decided to name a plant "bladder polyp" and no one decided that there should be a different name.

Me too, and I’ve only watched this video once.

I actually finished this video.

Yeah, me too, but I’d like to watch Avatar 2

Bro

@@esayers I can't listen to her when I'm trying to fall asleep, because her commentary is interesting. And that kind of wakes me up.

I like this character with my HUMAN BRAIN... *INSERT SMILE HERE*

My new waifu

im SO glad someone is finally talking about that line bc i think about the wording choice constantly

“Have you seem Hamilton? This takes place many years after that.”

I feel like a more normal phrasing would be "Have you seen Avatar? It's a very outdated documentary, but still worth watching." That functions both as a promo and context I'd think.

"Did you watch that really old documentary, uh... 'Avatar' or something like that? Y'know, the one that showed some of the first interactions between us and Na'vi, that one. Yeah, it's got some interesting info, but it came out pretty soon after that stuff happened, which was, what, like... thirty years ago at least, wasn't it? It's pretty outdated at this point, I think the rusted out military equipment speaks for itself." It's definitely long, but it's casual, and feels more organic. That's how I would've handled it, at least.

@@theflyingspaget idk "outdated" sounds like the movie is not canon and has the connotation that it's bad

I imagine UTIs are so common its just like hey man wanna go ride banshees? can't 'nother bladder polyp? yeah :((((

Pretty sure it's a plant, like bladder wrack on our planet.

Not just that. They basically really cheaped out on the entire plan. They told JK that they weren’t going to build hogwarts or the train. They offered to build a magical creatures petting zoo (with an animatronic) and a shooting game ride where you fight dark creatures with your wand. Lots of smaller disagreements too, like wanting Disney merch in the Harry Potter shops, character interactions with Harry and the other main cast, and branded items like Coca Cola

Their pitch was also super basic too- I think Yesterworld covered it with how badly they botched their pitch. They really undervalued how much money they could have made with Harry Potter. And then they put a ton of money into a film people mostly thought had good effects but an uninteresting/problematic story

I can't believe I forgot how much Walt loved trains, god he'd have been ALL over that train concept! plus doesn't HP just have that feel to it that Walt would've been adamant about incorporating into the park? I feel like he would've viewed it the same way he did Mary Poppins and Winnie the Pooh, at least the first 3 books

Oh, watch the galaxy’s edge video, she goes IN on it.

"Walt [Disney] is probably rolling in his...* grave." Good. (*edit: train-loving, union-busting, HUAC-informing, etc.)

And if they were going to go that far, they should have just made it a Nausicaa themed park. It's about as culturally relevant anyway...actually, that would be pretty cool...

Bimon1234567 Gods that would be SO GOOD

@@dardend4155 I WANT THAT THEME PARK NOW. To keep the immersion they should also revive the God Warriors to exterminate mankind, just for good measure

Yeah im surprised they didn't build it in California too.

Check the end of the vid. Disney asspulled a magic plant that makes the air human-friendly

i can only assume that the story of the park now takes place in a different canon or something

The third Avatar should be completely about reconciling the difference between the world of the theme park and the story of Avatar 2. You could even go the extra mile and film scenes at the park with employees playing their own characters in a sort of bizarre crossbreed of Escape from Tomorrow and Jimmy Cameron's Avatar. It would be totally insane, and terrible, and I would love it.

Hey! I actually work at Flight of Passage! So the whole point of the park is it Takes place over a generation after the 5th movie. But also James Cameron, planned Pandora after he wrote the main parts of the scripts for the most of the movies. Basically pur story is meant to be completely selective from the main story. ACE came in later to try and fix everythinf

@@jasonfenton8250 Escape from Tomorrow was so bad though

Avatar 2: "It happened again."

it was a ten million dollar animatronic, and the amazing as it is, it's never going to be fully paid for; it's massive and complex (I believe at the time it was built it was the most intricate animatronic ever created) and disney has to keep robotics staff on hand to maintain and repair it when it malfuctions, which i'm told it does fairly frequently. I'm pretty sure that it has to be lowered to the reapir area every night with security cameras on it to be in a state of constant simple motion because of the fear from imagineers that if the dang thing stops, it'll never start again. With a complex robot like that, it's not a matter of if it'll break down, but when and for how long. now take those logistics and add another two equally expensive and complex robots. the costs in staffing for maitanence alone would be astronomical.

@@hinoname3954 counter point: Disney has billions and billions of dollars

@@degiguess sure, but those have to be divided SO many ways. Entertainment and merch production and distribution, multiple parks and hotels, ip acquisition, payroll for roles by the millions ect. If you broke it down it makes complete sense that they wouldn’t have money to route toward even TWO more animatronics that would cost ten of millions EACH to design, program, build, and operate when they struggle to maintain one and the park is “sufficient” as is. At least not until the ip has brought in more money via the next movie.

Ok but they have billions of dollars and Disney is a money printing factory quickly acquiring every thing surrounding it. We want more animatronics. I agree that it would be way to problematic logistically to have it anywhere in the park in plain sight, but like, stick in slightly more obscure places.

Apparently, it's barely functional and shuts down all the time

The _best_ kind of appropriation.

Courtney Johnson isn’t the Na’vi face paint essentially like alien blackface

@@fyrefrost1898 Yeah but only Americans lose their shit when they see people painting their faces to resemble other people. The only reason why Europeans cease to uphold their centuries' old traditions that involve people with their faces painted black is because American media and political personalities practically bully them into it, even though nobody there seems to have a clue what the hell is even supposed to be wrong with it.

@@yarpen26 tl;dr Blackface in Europe has different, less insulting historical connotations than it does in America, but for the most part it's still quite common where traditionally applicable. Also I personally would have liked to see some references to American history regarding the Na'vi's similarity to Native Americans and how ACE is different than RDA (and thematically, America) despite the results of their encroachment on Na'vi land being extremely similar(No Na'vi around except in pictures showing how happy they were to have ACE moving in). I currently live in the Netherlands and I can assure you, Black Pete (blatant blackface, though far less demeaning than American Vaudeville) is very much alive and well. Although I have to say I agree with Jenny on the weird, sinister overtones of normalizing the aftermath of colonialism. I don't think this was done on purpose -- the park's designers were probably just making it based on what they see as the best outcome of a foreign (and definitely capitalist since this is an American park owned by an American company) people settling in an already inhabited land -- but by trying not to have a political message despite the very political themes of the Avatar movie (specifically in regards to nature vs industrialization and natives vs settlers) ends up having a very similar effect to trying to bury a violent past beneath a mask of cooperation. This is just my two cents, but I think if Disney had embraced the thematic similarities between the Na'vi and the Native Americans and mixed in just a few tasteful references to American history, the park could have ended up far more meaningful to people since many -- dare i say most -- Americans have a stronger emotional connection to American history than the Avatar movie. I can see why they didn't do this since it would open them up to criticism from both liberals and conservatives, but I think it would have done added a lot more to American culture than just another place to spend money trying to forget which world you live in.

@@yarpen26 There's a big difference between painting your face black for longstanding cultural reasons and painting your face black specifically to caricature or make fun of people with darker skin.

I feel like it’s much more sinister than that. Those “air-purifying” pods probably poisoned the air for the Na’vi. That, and human diseases probably killed them all off. The Na’vi in the pictures were probably the last few left as the park was completed (probably with slave labor).

"Smile for the picture and you get extra gruel rations, filthy blueskin!"

It’d be awesome if there was a deep deep backstory where the Navi execute a WestWorld style takeover of the ACE park

i need an entire lore video

Maybe the sequels will explain this? If anyone watches them?

God that is the dream right? I hadn't thought of it that way.

avatar is atually the #1 grossing movie of all time

@@banchii1576 And that’s pretty much the only reason anybody remembers it even exists

​@@SharkyMcSnarkfaceMust've worked twice then seeing as the second film is the 3rd highest grossing

@@banchii1576 and yet how many people could actually sit down and tell you the whole plot of either of the avatar movies though? 🤭

The comment I needed

🤣🤣🤣😅

This is the best one

Thanks for the gut laugh oml

YESS!

The movie is hamfisted and the villains mustache-twirling caricatures. The park works because it is eerie and unintentional due to dissonance between the reality of the park and the lore and exacerbated by certain budget limitations and constrained creative decisions. The worst part of the movie was when the life tree thing basically declared earth and humans irredeemable non-life and the protagonist's only option to be worthy of the dignity afforded sentient life was to cease being a human and cut himself off from the embodied existence that gave birth to his soul, to his family and to all his ancestors whose evolution was the very font of every good and compassionate impulse he had toward the Na'vi. It broke immersion and told the audience, "You are past redemption." And no one can be spiritually fed by a church of no salvation, which is what the movie's lesson became. But when you go to the park, you are you, and you come with your own existence, and the official lore says, "Actually humans are fine." The impulse to problematize the situation then comes from inside the more thoughtful guest, and they can extend it as far as they want it to go, without having to be speceistically misanthropic. No one's forcing the narrative that your race is entirely evil down your throat, so you can approach the situation from a more nuanced and realistic and less Manichean perspective.

@@Hesperell ...Except for the fact that the main protagonist (Jake Sully) was the only one to permanently transfer into a Na'vi, as I recall. All the other scientists, y'know, the other human protagonists, got to stick around as humans on Pandora at the end of the film. And I'm fairly certain his desire to change permanently had more to do with wanting to stay with the love of his life (and not be confined to a wheelchair, and be able to breath the local atmosphere) than it did some weird species-based self-flagellation. Besides, if the remaining human forces were truly supposed to be "past redemption" in the films view, why are they allowed to leave rather than being executed after the climax of the film? So good job on philosophising, too bad it's all built on a big misunderstanding. But in any case, the fact that you're so deeply insulted by the idea of a sci-fi film saying "Actually humans are a bunch of dicks" (hardly new ground for the genre), even when it DOESN'T say that, speaks volumes about you. It says that you're so rooted in a tribalistic view of the world that even when presented with an entirely fictitious human vs. aliens set-up, you get offended by the humans behaving in a way that humans have done numerous times in our history; i.e. a technologically superior group presuming that it has a right to the resources held by an indigenous population, and waging war to get them simply because it's easier than the alternative. If an entirely theoretical example of that happening is enough to offend you, I hate to think what your reaction to real life atrocities is. But I can take a guess...

saunz departier It doesn’t work though because I don’t care if that’s the moral. Humans ain’t shit.

Yea it's funny to think about it. It's practically poetic. A movie where space indians have their ecosystem destroyed by colonial marines. And they lay some concrete and chop trees down in a land located in the continent where it all actually happened.

@@Geothesponge111 I love how the villains of the movie were literally gonna massacre an entire race, erase a culture and destroy an ecosystem just for a profit (the mineral they're searching for isn't even essential to survival, it was purely for profit since they mentioned it sold for a shit ton), but they're mad that the god tree thing decided that maybe humans aren't all that great lmao

Same with whenever a KZfaqr warns of their audio being bad because they're sick. I've only noticed it once with Quinton Reviews's last Sam & Cat video and he looked like he was dying in that part.

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@MrNiesGuy it's too long.

She works there or used to at least. Maybe not in that specific area but the park.

I approve of this message.

really catchy and easy to read it'll catch on very well let's go

@@ThelouwseFD That was even worse. Like they had so many people work so hard on something that they were hired for, only for it to turn out perfect and get discarded

This shouldn't even be technically possible. No, it isn't.

@@ThelouwseFD thanks for the recommendation, that was depressing :I

It's almost impressive in its oddity

@@ThelouwseFD that video lives in my head rent free. What a stunning example of hubris, such a waste of money and talent. I want to see it adapted as a Greek tragedy

what a realisation

Good for you! I saw it, and it left no impact whatsoever. Which arguably makes the 162 minutes I spent watching it an even bigger waste than if I'd spent it watching two shorter, actively bad movies.

Avatar's pretty good, I recommend watching it at least once

Please, don't use a question mark if you aren't literally asking a question. Now you're asking the people on the Intenet if you think that way or not.

​@@seriouscat2231 serious cat should be more chill cat

Alpha Industries are still a for-profit company, it will happen again, in the same way the East India Company gained favour in India over their european rivals for being the most culturally sensitive and least violent... until they could make more money by being violent that is

avatar meet avatar

@@spinecho609 you may be overthinking this

@@TheRambunctious ironically, this is a joke comparison, so you instead may be overthinking this

@@roelin360 did I ask?

That is the ultimate fantasy

@@BradTheAmerican are you joking?

@@benedictdwyer2608 Yes

@@BradTheAmerican ok, I was just worried you actually thought this was a completely fictional thing, or thought it was a good thing that that happened to the Native Americans

@@benedictdwyer2608 I'd usually put /s at the end to note sarcasm but this time I thought the absurdity of it would make that more obvious. However, given that there are literally people out there who say things like that with actual sincerity, maybe I should have put it there anyway.

I’m glad I got to experience DD before it was killed. Fun ride.

@@Andystuff800 TBF better the ride die than any of its riders

@@Andystuff800 I got lucky being there on a cold (for Florida) day so there was no line at DD and I did it 3 times in a row before I got post-ride churros from the stand outside the entrance. Top notch experience. I'm convinced that whatever Harry Potter bullshit is on the spot now can only be a downgrade.

Completely agree, Kanaka Maoli born and raised in Hawai’i and I can help but think about the packaged experiences you get when your at a resort. I think because the way James Cameron created the Navi was WAY too close to western ideas of native cultures - especially native Americans, it’s almost impossible to not draw similarities to real life history. Growing up I LOVED avatar because it felt like a “what if” story of the people who malama aina came out on top so the land can give back to us. I only recently learned that Cameron never really had much respect for the cultures he was taking inspiration from, and this is an even more diluted version of his vision.

Don't forget thw horrible cultural appropriation in the actual avatar movies and James Cameron's comments about hoe native american genocide happened because they didn't try hard enough. This whole franchise is built on appropriation and justification of colonialism

How does one become an evil colonizer?

​@seriouscat2231 it's quite easy, all you have to do is find some land which belongs to someone else and start colonizing! Fun for the whole family!

@@falconstudios146 So basically Blackrock?

sounds like all the fun!

“I know a place just like that...”- Stares dreamily of into space

That is the most random comment I have seen

Steven Irizarry Why doesn’t it surprise me it was pinned by Jenny

This my good sir was a very good comment - thank you

That... makes too much sense.

The problem with this is that I am pretty sure that the Na'vi officially have not developed writing, so...

@@anteroinen4239 maybe during the time between the war with humans and them selling their land to a tourism company they made a written language

@@feelmypuddle4963 Eh, considering their culture and the environment it seems pretty unlikely. It isn't like the Na'vi need it for anything, since it seems they've still kept themselves to a totally nomadic lifestyle. I am sure their linguist told them as much (it sounded like he was the one pronouncing stuff from the cards by the way, adorable, I love that he's still working on this stuff).

Anteroinen maybe it’s humans writing in Na’vi? I’m learning Lakota (and they don’t have a written languages) so I put little labels on all the things in my house so I can look at them and call them by their Lakota name

Agreed. The best I can put it into words is that she uses this ethereal, innocent tone while saying things that just drip with irony. It's awesome.

@@lethargogpeterson4083 She reminds me a lot of April from Parks and Rec (in terms of mannerism and humor)

"Eetzahzu!!"

I'm assuming they carried you off the premises before pronouncing you dead? Gotta maintain that "no one's ever died here" line.

So now it's *ahzu*

@@lemonferret This whole thread was worth it just for you my friend

A few employees called it “nah-tah-theme-park”, because for tax purposes it was a zoo.

The WHAT

Ella Powell Seriously!! It’s a beautiful statue but the implications are fucking terrifying!!

15:44 it’s right there lol

It's also a warning to never mention it's existence.

That gets more unsettling when you consider how the Na'vi are Native American coded, and white people displaying/selling the decapitated heads of natives was a pretty common practice during the 17th and 18th century.

What strikes me now is that they don't actually say what it IS if not a zoo. "It's Natazhu!" "Cool, what is it then?" "Natazhu!"

Hey look, it's a perfect description of the last years of Eisner's career with Disney :'D

@@EngineerLume bruh.. natazhu= not a zoo??

@@johng8837 Yeah. DId you not make the connection?

@@EngineerLume They'd probably say something like "it's an *experience"*

i dont think thats an extreme conclusion, i think thats just a conclusion. the correct one.

How would those unassuming natives know how awesome civilization is if we didn't force it down their throats while taking all their resources? Don't be ridiculous.

That’s honestly the vibe I got from the whole video, so I came to 3 possible conclusions: 1-it’s very upfront colonialist propaganda, so I just spotted it easily 2-it has subtle colonialist undertones, but I’m too much of a SJW to miss them 3-I hate Avatar so much that I just want everything related to it to be horrible The truth is probably a combination of the three: it was very obertly colonialistic, I’m a SJW and I hate Avatar.

The Nicer Colonists do Nicer Genocide so isnt it way better!? :)

Yeah that's it.

The issue didn't sound like it was with the train, but with Rowling wanting the train to reverse along the track rather than looping

The man with one ear fully stretched with a collection of earrings.

My question is: Can you race those pods?

That ear thing was horrible. If he nods his head too fast, he's going to break his earlobe.

Iconic tbh

Abdega Now this is podracing.

_They've been there the whole time just offscreen!_

😂😂😂

*TO SERVE MAN!!! IT'S A COOK BOOK!!!*

OH NO

NO WAIT. *WE'RE THE NA'VI NOW* *WE'RE TURNING INTO FURRIES*

The butterfly wings exist for Cameron's Jesus allegory to have visually obvious angel wings.

Oh, when I saw wide-eyed Kiri sailing through the water with the butterfly wings and the gold glowing fish, my immediate thought was the doll they would make of it.

that did not occur to me at all while watching, i was kind of just baffled by their inclusion in terms of plot

@Kurt E. Clothier don't they have a train that you take from the alley to the second section? It's like a big thing and I think the only way to get to that second area

Thus, they properly appeased the Train Gods, and so their theme park did well, unlike SOME theme parks Luckily Star Wars Land learned from previous mistakes

they definitely didn't say "lady we'll give you whatever trans you want"

I was dying at this

@@d36williams Unless whatever trans she wanted was none.

And since Alpha Centauri Expeditions has basically destroyed her homeland, the only way she can put food on the table is to perform for these tourists all day. (Do you think she gets paid an actual wage and has to visit the Cantina to buy food, or that she's just paid directly in rations? Does any entity with jurisdiction over Pandora enforce labor laws?)

There's more than just her in the forest of the ride and the echoing voices in the river ride is supposed to echo the others in her tribe.

Also the pods make the air breathable for humans, but wouldn’t that make it toxic for the Navi? So now they’ve introduced a foreign and invasive plant that has taken over the planet to the extent that the atmosphere is completely hostile for the Navi and they’ve been driven underground. 😂 The meta is insane.

@@wolffisu Or the severed spirits of her massacred people, wailing in agony for all time.

That cave Na'vi is a vibe and a half

they need to embrace that ACE is post-colonization and genocide of the na'vi

I don't see why they felt the need to add lore to the theme park because every in lore explanation is real weird

Supposedly it takes place after avatar 5

It's (albeit made-up culture) cultural appropriation!

@@eteline_music i mean in context isn't it like... analogous to blackface?

@@thomasstone3480 Yeah, it is. Or, more accurately, those racist Native American Halloween costumes

That’s a Disney move if I ever saw one

„It‘s not just a zoo“ would have sounded a lot more appealing and less ominous

@@manospondylus4896 i can't find it anymore but i read a comment here saying they actually did this because they legally couldn't call it a zoo when it launched.

@@atomheartother Damn. What was the reason they couldn‘t?

@@manospondylus4896 i wish i had more information but this is a very vague memory of a comment i read somewhere... But I'm sure googling will yield some results x3 but iirc the "zoo" denomination is actually a specific legal thing and they couldn't get it by the time it opened for SOME reason, like you can't just put animals in a park and call it a zoo

The theme park apparently takes place over 100 years after the first movie, so basically any Avatar movie that comes out would be earlier in the timeline than the park.

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!

Avatar flavoured popcorn. The answers were right in front of us the whole time.

Soylent Green is Na'avi!!

im going to get myself a Na'vi hand ashtray!!!

holy shit you're right

No, they wouldn’ think they’re doing good. I’m sure the guys who run Disney are perfectly aware of how evil the corporation is. They just don’t care as long as it makes money. But yes, the colonialist undertones are very fitting for them 🤣

I think that's a pretty charitable view of them. Like...imagining Disney to basically be the British in the Andaman Islands rather than the British in mainland India is probably the nicest view anyone can have of them while operating in good faith. I look forward to, a few decades from now, seeing which one plays out in their actual colonialist acquisitions.

Don't they have a little resort type deal in Hawai'i? And aren't there also little resort type deals in the Caribbean tied to their cruise lines? Disney's Pandora experience is probably like, the very first time they've done this kind of a "celebrate with the native peoples while on their land with them nowhere in sight" shtick without facing a shit ton of protests from actively fucked over "native peoples."

elfarlaur Exactly. Listening to her describe it makes me feel a little nauseous

I wish thy would've done the narrative that you're part of the research team :(

I feel like "war crimes" would've been a better description.

Oh I sent that too quickly, just got to the part about the cold drink with rum.

I was told once that if you go to Plimoth Plantation in Massachusetts that if you mention Philadephia, they think you're talking about a bible verse.

I wish they put that sort of effort into the London Dungeons post pandemic (technically within-pandemic, but I'm referring to post-1st-year-of-pandemic) - I went just after New Years 2022, and all of the cast members/staff were wearing plain or boring/standard masks, and I was so disappointed that none of them - ESPECIALLY the ones in the PLAGUE section - were wearing London Dungeon branded Plague Doctor styled masks!!! I was really hoping they had some new merch in the giftshop specifically about the plague bc it was the OBVIOUS choice to me on how to make MAD bank, and yet, NOTHING! The only nod to the current plague situation was the moment where the cast member says* "be careful out there, there's a plague in London!" And everyone went "👀💀 (sigh) we KNOW" Such a wasted opportunity 😭 *this section was a standard part of the show well before C-19, with the only change to the show being the distance between staff + guests + the addition of masks + sanitiser gel stands

Same thing happened when I visited Dover Castle and the actor looked at the blue Powerade I had brought with me and suspected it was going to kill me.

That’s actually hilarious. I don’t remember anything specific they said when I visited the Tower of London but I remember the docents were all super in character with the history and had good rapport with everyone! Kinda like a historical ren fairs vibe

@@doctorwholover1012 that would be cool but it’s also kind of unlikely they’d want to make merch about it since people who have survived it or never got it will think it’s fun but people who had family members or friends recently die from it or were hospitalised by it probably wouldn’t like that it’s been used as fuel for fun merch. Yes, we all call it a plague as a joke, but it wasn’t that long ago and it’s actually still going on so there’s not the same amount of distance from pain that there is with the Black Plague, theres still people alive now who are grieving or who are suffering long term side effects (me ☹️) so it’s tricky. Really any company is going to do what is least likely to get them in trouble while still making as much money as they can 🙄 Also the plague doctor mask things sound cool but the staff working there definitely are better off to be wearing masks that keep them safe and probably have to conform to some standards. It’s better it’s a bit immersion breaking if it means the staff are safe. You’ve got some really cool ideas though! I’m British btw 🙈

and the subtitles

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He just... got away with it. This professional graphic designer..

jesus christ I forgot about that

and ponytail sex

the "take this gourd!! yeah!!!" LMAOOO

Legit I believe that she’s playing into the attraction, so legit enjoyment.

Nah she legit enjoys the theme park experience. Even when some of the rides suck and the entire concept of the park is stupid because Avatar is a dead franchise, they can still make a cool bioluminescent jungle with rusting robots.

I think she genuinely just likes being at theme parks.

To be fair, when you go to a theme park. It's hard not to have at least a little fun

eXCUSE ME WHAT

RyGuy3323 That’s horrifying.....and hilarious.

Wtf?! How did that get approved?

I don't remember seeing that in the shop. Unless you mean the $80 face print figure?

*flashbacks to the Native American indoctrination boarding schools*

Honestly, the existence of this theme park is starting to make a lot more sense after Avatar 2. These movies are gonna be back in the public consciousness for a while now

@@mikeb7906 I'm not so sure, I haven't noticed that anyone feels anything remotely loke passion for Avatar 2, it's just another mid movie that doesn't warrant a theme park.

In a way it will be a shame if the sequels are successful, because the underlying humor of this video depends so much on Avatar-land being a weird misguided cash-in on something no one loves.

@@c.w.8200 Considerin the movie rigth now Is the 7 biggest movie ever, so even if you don't like it avatar is back in the public and is big af, so this park is going to be popular

@@c.w.8200 Dude, the sequel almost made 2 billion as of writing right now.

The only way for the park's lore to make sense would be to have it take place after the last movie, so for their sake I hope the lore they built for the park makes sense in 2028 😭

@@squirtyharry The new lore is the entirety of the park is set within that massive city the humans built on Pandora

Oh noooooo!! That would be so twisted and dystopian

@@TheKsalad that's so hilariously dark!

*did happen

I actually found this video because I was looking to see if Jenny had that video.

Yes!!!

I'd like a deep dive into Moulin Rouge, but it seems Jenny mostly does children's movies. Sure Satine is puking blood all over then dies and ruins everything, but the Star Wars style rich against poor/ good against evil plot is worth rambling on about.

My brother and I had a hotel guest only early access pass to both harry potter park locations (meaning we got in a few hours before general tickets allowed entrance). It was incredible to see every little detail they put into the world (down to brick detail, it was perfect). There were maybe 50 park goers there. We spent 2 hours looking at everything in awe and went on the busiest ride a few times before the lines hit. The park opened to the general tickets and the streets where flooded. After that, It was still semi-impressive but a lot of details were more hidden and everyone was in a hurry. Would highly recommend going it is a great experience for Harry Potter fans. Also try the Butter beer both hot and cold, they are awesome!

i need this is my life immediately

I'm sure a walk around na'vi would be less sinister than having none at all??? The whole theme park seems a little thoughtless honestly.

@@megmoore8681 Yeah, it really feels weirder that there's none at all. Like, where did they go? Did they all leave? Were they forced out? What is the story here?

"We don't want to exploit this fictional race, so we're going to just steal all their traditions and artifacts and sell them for humans to consume without actual representation of said race actually being present." The horrifying thing is this is EXACTLY how cultural appropriation works...

And also allow random pleb natives to experience their sacred rites of passage to adulthood. That's not exploiting their culture at all.

why not just have some navi go across the path and into the forest every now and then smh

ive seen this video like 4 or 5 times and just realized thats folding ideas. wild cameo i wasnt expecting

Yeah I did a *hard* double-take on that one.

I don't know why but I got a real whiplash from seeing Dan

@Aspiring Marauder no i'm shaking and cryimg this can't be true APLHA CENTAURI WOULD NEVER DO THIS

@Aspiring Marauder I've never hated a KZfaq comment as much as this one

I've never loved a youtube comment as much as this one.

at first I thought this was just a funny little quip about Jenny, but then realized what you meant and now I'm truly horrified

Soylent Blue is NA'VI!

You get nearly 100% of the fun of going and mocking it yourself, with 0% of the expense and hassle.

Michael Stern The experience of watching a Jenny video is actually more fun than going to the actual theme park because of her commentary

YESS!

A whole hour went by? AY, CARAMBA!

I would never visit a themepark in bad weather.

Yeaaaah I get the thought process for using boba, but the bao is an odd choice. Heck if you asked me to pick a real world food that feels alien I’d pick something like borscht

I know I’m a year late but yeah… oof. Yikes Disney 😬

Yeah, nothing gross about attributing cheeseburgers to aliens I guess.

@@LifesNeverHumDrumsoup is alien to you?

i personally feel like this is a bit of a reach and like it's a complete non-issue that you're trying to get yourself angry about. they're obviously not trying to claim that asian food is "alien" or "unnatural", it's pretty clear that those foods in particular were selected purely for aesthetics and not any kind of deeper reasons. it would be no different from using jello to evoke "alien slime" or using crushed up oreos and some chocolate pudding to make a "mud cake". i hate to have to say it, but it definitely seems like you're reading too much into it.

Four hour deep dive into the Star Wars hotel LMAO

Yeah some people probably get it mixed up with Avatar the Last Airbender.

That's 160 fanfics too many

I bet 50% of that is just fanfics of other fandoms using Avatar as an AU

I thought the real rating was how much R34 there is?

Patrick Mulligan ao3 is short for “archive of our own” and is a popular fanfiction website

It's starting to become a way of life really

Glad to know I'm not the only one that rewatched this video several times just because

@@geegeep for months, I've had this video on when I'm trying to fall asleep, on my way to work or school, while I'm studying, and just now when I was doing dishes. Jenny Nicholson for every occasion.

This one is remarkably rewatchable!

Honestly though. I do the same thing with her Star Wars Land, Forces of Destiny and Trigger Warning videos.

You're at least half of us

Haha me too! She’s so good. Her Beauty and the Beast one I just watched and actually laughed out loud. She’s great!

Welcome to the club. Your life will be infinitely improved from here on out. That's the JennyEffect©!

in a way, jenny is like ikea, or a denny’s. have you ever heard of anyone applying to ikea? or actively looking to go to denny’s? no, you just end up there.

yeah, same, I was getting her recommended to me a lot and I was like "i'm not really into vlog channels... no thanks" but finally I stumbled into her roast of Fifty Shades Freed and now I'm a fan for life.

Yeah, I was expecting her to pull out a fancy Avatar-themed paper bag and instead got Pandora plastic. As you said: love the irony. ^^

Don't worry, all the bags say "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" on the top, so it's okay.

@@KaworuNagisa I was expecting like an unbranded woven mesh made to look like plant fibers or something, but I guess plastic was cheaper so

the explanation I would have is that the Pod that "purifies" the air for humans to breed drove out the Na'vi as the earth atmosphere would be as toxic to them as the pandoran atmosphere is to us.

@@CathrineMacNiel yours defs sounds like a more realistic explanation, but i think OP was alluding to how actual native americans were (and to a frightening extent, still are) treated by colonists. i don't think the "preserving their DNA" part has been done yet, though

Headcanon. The Na'vi were recycled into the avatars for tourists.

Like, all they had to do was do a paper bag with a printed design instead, and that would be 1000% better than what they actually chose to do, and that's without putting any additional effort in

When we went (October 2021), the entire place really tried to get us to upgrade to a (surprising large and nice) reusable bag for $1. I bought the pandora-style one that is really nice and the massive one at the beginning of the park. They could easily have charge $20 for that as it is a souvenir bag, but I didn't realize the bags in Pandora were regular plastic.

uh, why would you charge an idea rent anywhere

Also all the merch is seemingly just plastic shit that will end up in a landfill. Like, it doesn't even seem high quality enough to make a nice conversation piece or actual collectible at any point in time.

They need everyone you walk by to know that you've been there, and that they should go there too. For the betterment of the earth! ...Oh wait, I mean Disney CEO Bob's wallet

I re-watched it again recently, and it actually holds up pretty well. Like, the CGI is really dated, but it's an entertaining watch. Definitely on the darker side of Disney movies though.

She says that about all her work.

Jonathan Davies that’s the joke.

the train was actually a disabled black trans woman the whole time

It was the third thing written on her napkin in the coffee shop on that fateful day

@@JennyNicholson it really was a large napkin

That sounds hilarious and I wholeheartedly support it. Plus, for eighty bucks a pop, I'll make them as many human-sonas as they want.

We don't need to imagine it, white colonisers have already done that (and in some cases are still doing that) with virtually every 'exotic' culture they could get their hands on lmao

@@retroyoongi Disney's "Maui costume" that was just tattooed mesh skin.

I'm down to sell golf balls to aliens for $90

Golf balls are dimpled, not dented.

That’s not true. We are shown the food the Na’vi eating. In one scene we see them eating a bug which is cooked over a fire. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nJmjd9eqrcDVkXU.html Also we know the Na’vi hunt the wild animals doe their meat. But I guess serving bugs at the park would be weird.

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As soon as you walk outside of this Pandora base, Na'vis with guns and knives capture you and scalp you. Authentic!

Yeah, it's got a super Westernised feeling of "exotic" shit going on. Generic tribal.

@@Spamhard The fact that they put boba in the food to make it "alien" and make cheeseburger baos... that's so extremely tone deaf.

I'm pretty sure this is an insult to native Americans. Implying they control horses by stick their dicks inside the horses ear....I don't even want to think about how the woman of the tribe control their horses, but now I can't shake that mental imagine out if my head....

this sounds like a fnaf x disney fangame waiting to happen

thank you so much for this knowledge. this is genuinely the most hilarious insane thing i’ve ever heard of happening at disneyworld

Thats some Adeptus Mechanicus shit right there

Lol tha k you for telling us this. That is wild

This is the most relatable thing as someone who did robotics for a bit. It is not if it will break but when it will break.

Maybe I just live a in a good place for more diverse foods, but the idea of bao being alien is funny to me because it’s somewhat commonplace now. Heck chain grocery stores stock them in the delis

idk, it seems REALLY obvious to me that they chose those foods specifically purely for aesthetics and not any kind of deeper implications. it seems no different than crushing up some oreos and putting them on top of chocolate pudding to make a "dirt cake"; like, you're obviously not saying that those things taste like dirt or anything, it's just for aesthetic reasons. like they also had hamburger things on sale as well, and they obviously weren't implying that hamburgers are some kind of alien food from another world.

​@@negligible_realityIn both of your examples you mention how they take a traditional food and modify it to make it weird. That was not the case here. The reason why people think the pods are funny is because they are essentially unchanged cultural foods. Sure, crushing up an oreo and saying it's mud cake is cool, but serving someone regular oreos and saying it's alien food would definitely seem a lot weirder.

Would have solved the lack of Na’vi problem and would have made it seem like the Na’vi are getting something out of the arrangement too.

That would've been a pretty creative solution, tbh! Imagine the employees getting to pretend to be Na'vi adjusting to "human Avatars" and getting to complain about how different their tastebuds, height differences, lack of tail, etc. are. You could come into work and get to amble around the park, cheerfully explaining Na'avi culture to guests and explaining that you don't look like a normal Na'vi because you're trying out the Avatar technology as part of a xenocultural exchange program with the humans.

And they could do something to make them look taller or just hire like, really tall people! They'd probably also have to have the Na'vi actors wear something Na'vi related that only staff can have to say "This is an "actual" Na'vi, ask them about Na'vi stuff."

@@chocomelo454 bigass lanyard that says "human in training" or something lmao, I'm picturing those "unaccompanied minor" signs that kids used to wear when traveling 🤣

honestly this is a brilliant solution that would solve so many problems with this park at once. It explains, where the hell the Navi went, it shows that they actually 1) ARE getting something out of this park 2) Are in fact cool with it and given control over how the park works and how it represents their culture 3) Greatly reduces the cultural appropriation undertones and just turns it into regular consensual tourism. Honestly the drum performers should have been the "human avatar navi", it would have made the most sense. Plus things like Navi facepaint would not have been so icky as a concept if the Navi themselves were doing it on humans

this is the funniest thing in the video to me and i'm so glad someone else noticed

It implies that Na'vi routinely experience bladder polyps.

Either that or Jenny is lying to us which is somehow even funnier when you think about it. Firstly, Jenny lying to us at all. Secondly, the fact that nobody in their right mind would spend the money for the translator and booster packs to confirm the word for bladder polyp and so we are at her mercy for this one singular word.

Monosyllabic doesn't imply commonly used though. Cot, act, jet, vat, dye, rim are all monosyllabic short words but they aren't really commonly used.

@@collisionsc-7875 All of those are normal, common things. Cot even has a couple different ways to be used, most of those do. Gotta jet, jet plane, jet black. You’ve got car rims, a drink with salt on the rim, rimshot. Act as in to perform, first act and second act, a heinous act, generous act, Jenny herself even used the word act a ton in this video 😂

in the second movie they have a character who goes into trances and starts magically affecting the world around her and then has a seizure underwater and the guy diagnosing her with epilepsy is seen as not understanding the true magic of the world cause she doesn't (?? it's implied) have frontal lobe epilepsy shes just magically connected to the planet. somehow. so yeah you were on the right lines. that's it that's the rep

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't have a good experience with the movie. I've seen the criticism from elsewhere about the ableist aspect of the plot and the lack of visible disability among the Na'vi, which I agree should be addressed at some point for both diversity and adding a level of "realism" to this alien world. I also heard that in the rough draft of the script, when Jake transferred his consciousness into his avatar, he wasn't able to stand and walk immediately but rather went through an extremely difficult process. He had to struggle and train himself in his new body so that his brain and his legs can be on the same wavelength again and function properly. However I assume that got thrown out for the sake of time and plot progression. 🙁 And forgive me if I come across as being insensitive but…where else do you expect the story to go? Of course Jake would stay behind on Pandora because he fell in love with a local woman, the planet, and its inhabitants along with upholding his sudden responsibility as the new chief of the clan (which does get a hard side eye from me ngl). I honestly can't see him willingly leave all that behind just to go back to his ordinary life on Earth. Unless you have something in mind as to how you would structure the story differently?

​@@kissun.13I think OP is making a point (correct me if I'm wrong) about the deliberate choice of the movie to represent disability as a part of their main character's arc, but this was handled poorly. In fact the narrative suggests that happiness and fulfilment can only be found in finding a "cure" one's disability, which is an unkind, irresponsible and potentially dangerous message to convey.

This. The fact that so many "ideal worlds" in fantasy don't portray disabled people at all is saddening and screams eugenics

Imagine judging peoples character for having the audacity to like Avatar 🙄 Says more about you as a person than anything, to be honest.