I was once a drug addict as a teenager. On tv one day there was a preacher that said " Jesus loves you" something happened to my heart that day and I said ok if you're up there I need, and gave s list of what I know I needed to get out of the life I'm living. Within a month I had everything on that list and was miraculously delivered. The Lord later led me yo a pentecostal church through a lady and that Sunday recieved the anointing of the Holy Spirit and I spoke in tongues. I spent a couple of years in the church and came to a knowledge of doctrines not really being taught. Moving forward, the Lord taught me there's many churches, they are different and all of them have a certain truth, all of them have certain lies. This is why we are to seek the Lord and let him leed us into all wisdom and knowledge and of his will for us. I'm born again and obedience to the word with the fear of the Lord gives you the peace of the Lord. 🙏 This is why we must not judge but speak the truth in love. ❤

I got saved in a Pentecostal church as a young man. The last 11 years I have been attending a Calvary Chapel and have learned to read the word verse by verse chapter by chapter. I think it’s ok to have a dividing line with doctrine but it’s NOT ok to judge other Christians and say that they are not saved because you don’t agree with their theology. This is why our walk with Jesus is a personal relationship. The Bible is our guide as we wrestle with this denominational differences that will end when we get to heaven.

I have loved Francis Chan for a long time and he has been a crucial voice and influence at the start of my close walk with God. Jesus became so real and literal to me because of his preaching. I trust the Lord to keep him. Thank you Jesus, for the gift of Francis Chan.

About six years ago the Lord got me to the point where I had finished a walk of moving away from the divisiveness I had been taught. I shared my conclusions with a mentor who had been like a dad to me for 30 years. I did not ask him to agree... I simply shared the joy of having come to the conclusion that I thought that several other "circles" loved and served Jesus and were probably going to heaven. He turned his back on me as a heratic and it ended our relationship. Francis and I come from the same theological background so he knows what I'm talking about. I came to Christ "in this circle" in high school and started to have my eyes opened in college when our Christian group worked with "one of those groups." My home church people warned me about the evil that could come about from that kind of thing when I visited home from college but it started my prayer journey of 30 years asking for God to sort out this conflict. Ken

Absolutely loved this. Thank you. So inspired by Francis’ wisdom and humility. Challenging and inspiring.

I love that we celebrate the Lord's supper at church weekly.

As a post label disciple of Yeshua I have heard God's calling to unity which is why I started my KZfaq channel all about unity, have educated myself on the divisions of the past and I am discipling others to come together in the unity we are called to. Thanks for this conversation I hope more of us come to this place.

God saved me 20 years ago, not in any church building but in a hostel. He delivered me from heroin and methadone addiction in an instant (no withdrawal) but more importantly saved me from the eternal punishment my many sins deserved. I have attended two fellowships in that time. Both were immense blessings and both eventually became dangerous. The first fellowship became (strange) fire damaged from Todd Bentley's transferable anointing - which travelled over to the UK via a local pastor and the laying on of hands. This fellowship became infected with other spirits but as long as 'something' happened, it was all good. I got out just in time but not without confusion and a faded desire to evangelise. The second fellowship helped to set me free from confusion by patiently ministering the correct handling of God's word. It took two years before I could clearly read and understand Scripture again. This particular fellowship focused 100% on sound teaching but with little room or time for any of the gifts of the Spirit (though they weren't cessationists) and so very little ministry outside of teaching and prayer ever happened. I discerned a fear of losing control amongst many of my brothers and sisters. There was also a genuine terror of sharing the Gospel out in the world. I left there last year after they obeyed the government over God and continued to do so. I would love to find a fellowship that both practices the gifts, loves evangelism AND measures everything against Scripture, not being afraid to test absolutely everything. I'm not looking for unity in the minors because that just isn't possible this side of eternity. I am, however, cautious because I have seen the damage that can happen when leaderships don't enquire of the Lord at every step. I am wary of 'church' and weary from it but unless I meet together with others I shall eventually fall - please pray for me. Above all, I want to rediscover the joy of evangelism in a fellowship that might encourage me as I seek to encourage them in Christ.

True unity, the Bible talks about, is unity of the faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is the only true unity. We are to love others, but we cannot enter into unity with those of beliefs that differ from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

This was amazing!!!! Huge blessing 🙏🏼🙌🏼

Two amazing things I heard. Heard it before but I HEARD it just a few minute ago, “ I am the way, the truth and the life” I was smiling ear to ear, to have that light bulb switched on Thank you for that breakdown. Second thing “ we have been trendsetters in division “ that was beautiful. God bless you both.

So much to think on this. Grateful to have heard honestly where Chan is at. Still worried but I pray that the LORD is leading him.

Eternally grateful to have found this video 🙌I was baptized by Francis Chan at his church (Cornerstone) in Simi Valley, California (2/26/2006) and it is so good to find him here in this interview doing so well🙌the last I heard he was heading to Hong Kong with his family right when the Pandemic hit - so, I am happy to hear that everyone is doing good 🙏 I am also so happy to hear about his new and changing Biblical views and cannot wait to read his new book🙌I have struggled with the division in our country (and my own family- MacArthur grads) and our churches 😖I pray for Francis and his family and always find encouragement in his words 🙌 praying for sacred unity in our broken world 🙏thank you for this awesome interview!🙌

This was such a blessing to me today! Thank you 😊 keep on encouraging us!

Let's encourage one another and not waste time, attacking. Let's stay with the 2 Greatest Commandments 💙 📖

GRACE found me, GRACE saved me, GRACE sanctifies me,GRACE put praise & prayer in my mouth, and GRACE will glorify me.⚘

As an aside, I wouldn't want the "mantle" of whatever Hinn could offer. Seems more like a curse than a blessing. Chan already experienced megachurch and he left it behind.

Love this! ❤

Oh God, make us more discerning and cautious. Amen!

Great interview, love what God is doing with Francis

To my brothers and sisters in CHRIST I MAY NOT BE WHAT OTHERS WOULD CALL A GOOD CHRISTIAN ! BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO KNOW CHRIST AND GIVE UP THE SEPARATION OF DENOMINATIONS THAT MAKE US WEAK AND GET BACK TO JUST LOVING THE LORD JESUS AND BEING A FAMILY HE WOULD BE PROUD OF ! MONEY, FAME , INFLUENCE , ALL MEAN NOTHING ! ONLY SPREADING THE WORD OF GOD AND SHOWING HIS LOVE HAS ANY MEANING. That's why I Love Francis Chan and I hope he's able to Reach even more people

We’ve used Mr Chan for many studies and it always brings insightful and meaningful conversations, God bless you both:🙏

God bless you, Francis. I have been following your journey and you helped start one of my own.

Anyone from Auckland NZ here and have a passion for Jesus and the gospel?

Francis Chan my fav thank you Preston. I wish I had a church home and family. Covid isolated. Orange, Calif.

I am feeling compelled to share with my Protestant brothers and sisters what real Catholics actually believe: We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth. And in Jesus Christ, His only son our Lord. Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, he suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day, he rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty. From there, he will come to judge the living and the dead. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. I think this leads to Francis’ unity theme... the tenants of our faith are more similar than different! Love and peace in Christ Jesus ✝️💜

Wow, those last 10mins was so real and powerful!

It seems like the unity Francis champions is more of a unity of denominations rather than a unity of local believers. The unity we need is the unity of love as Jesus commanded.

I feel like I come from the other side of the journey in comparison to Francis Chan. My family grew up strong supporters of people like Benny Hinn and all the charismatic teachers. My grandmother has faithfully given to their ministries. I’d just have to ask Francis, would he embrace and encourage his own wife & kids listening to the teaching of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, etc? At what point is calling a spade a spade a priority with the New Testament church as much as attaining unity? I think leaders like Francis take it for granted that they don’t have to sit under heretical teaching on a weekly basis with their families and see it’s ugly fruits. In so many cases, there is no unity unless someone changes their mind. I can share some intimate moments with someone like Todd White but I would be foolish to sit under his teaching with my family. He spoke about Ephesians and the attaining of unity but what about Jesus approach to the yeast of the pharisees or the apostles in 2 Corin, especially Galatians where a teacher of a false gospel is to be pronounced accursed, 2 Timothy, 2 Peter, 3 John & again Jesus rebuking his own church for putting up with false teaching in Revelation? He didn’t approve of them acting in a spirit of unity while not calling out blatantly false teachings. It’s not as simple as simply turning a blind eye to embrace a brother. I would love to see Francis keep his heart for unity and to balance it with a healthy regard for doctrinal purity. “Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭ It just seems to be a cop out to say he doesn’t know someone well... when what they’ve taught is clearly harming the church - even he himself is admitting it. I’m not saying he can’t fellowship with anyone but that to do so indifferently is simply unwise. John told the church to not even receive someone into their house who teaches a faith contrary to the one handed down to them-why? Because he hates people. No. Because he’s concerned for those in the flock who don’t know better. Likewise these leaders can’t be held to the same standards as everyday christians. Theyve taken upon themselves a mantle that requires them to have doctrinal fidelity to the scriptures and the qualifications of 1 Timothy 2. I’m happy to hear the things Benny Hinn is saying, but that doesn’t change the fact that 90% of his career as a minister has been as a manipulative heretic, who has used the ministry for great personal gain. All I’m asking is can we atleast make a stand that although we encourage his repentance-we not only can’t recommend him as a minister, we condemn his teaching. I agree with Benny Hinn, I don’t think God wants him to teach any longer. He should be allowed to be a member, not an elder. He’s proven himself unfaithful in shepherding the flock, handling the word and unqualified to teach - repeatedly.

Thanks for this interview. It was such a relief to hear Francis' heart and how he's been mischaracterized by so many online. I've heard the criticisms and am relieved they are unfounded.

There are many communities, where the believers across many denominations are walking and living in John 17 unity, being an answer to Jesus prayer-it IS happening! God is moving!! We are living and witnessing it!

This was a blessing for me

Thank you for this interview! Such refreshing authenticity!

Thank you so very much for this real, challenging conversation!!

Man, so good.

Totally saw Frankie at the skatepark a few days ago . Shoulda shared a word with him , maybe next time . God bless you dude .

Thank you for this video! I've been struggling to find which part of scripture to read and study next, and was feeling a lack of passion for any part. I was praying on it and eventually let it go for the moment, and now I'm feeling so excited to read John again! God is working through you so thank you for your obedience!

I grew up Catholic and went to a Jesuit university. I grew up very spiritual because of the Jesuit teachings. I then went to a non denomination church to now a Calvary Church. I left the Catholic Church and went into the new age because of the lack of unity. Christ saved me and pulled me into a Calvary Church with a loving Pastor.

One of the best videos I’ve watched in years.BTW Preston many of us came to know the Lord in the 1970s through the Catholic Charismatic Movement.

Thank you for giving time to Bro. Chan. He is a great help to us who love the church and look forward to the Lord's return.

Chan: "No way. I only share the Gospel with people who already know it." 😂😂😂

I tell people when pressed that I'm a Baplicostal of Christ member

The fact that Chan doesn't condemn Hinn should raise red flags. Hinn's preaching and fake healings has cost lives, not to mention he has basically stolen from people.

Thanks for this great conversation--will definitely be sharing!

Thank you SO MUCH!

This greatly encouraged me. I too am struggling with Gods desire for unity and the desire to follow truth. After finally finding a very spirit filled church only a mile from our new home. I hear who some of the quotes from teachers I don’t agree with. A belief in many of the conspiracy theories by some not all. I feel the Lord shows me a different vision. One thing I know is he desires unity more and is going to do something’s different than we are use to. Thanks for this message.

Oh man! A hundred thousand likes from me wouldn't be enough for this video.

I really like what you said about Francis being who we see him as, on and off camera

What Francis Chan described (53:03-56:20) is exactly what unity looks like. I thank God for being introduced to your preaching. It has changed my life and I can no longer settle.

Holy Spirit tore down my high place of denominationalism. We are HIS church.

I like what was said about circles.

God alone is worthy of all honor...He alone is worthy of praise ...glory shared with no man it is God's and God's alone....

This was profound. I needed to hear this message from the two of you.

I’m loving this conversation so much

Its very interesting conversation. If someone were to ask Jesus what religion are you..... You see...its not about a religion... Its all about Jesus! When we get to heaven there won't be a Catholic section, a Baptist section, etc. It will be did you believe on Jesus! I've seen all kinds of craziness in different churches....#1 Do they preach Jesus, do they believe He is the way, do they believe in the Virgin birth, the trinity, the resurrection, etc. These are all basics for a true Christians. And, we are to love one another, care for one another, well with those who weep, mourn with those who mourn, be a light into a world of darkness. God Bless you all.

you are a follower, in his grace.

The irony for myself that the entire reason behind me following Francis Chan's teachings is because I was done with the division within churches and among Christians but still desired to grow and seek biblical understanding and truths. I had a very tough time getting past a period in my very early youth where my parents fell into a cultish type of teaching within a church. ( Baptist at that) One that had followers so outside of the bible with the leadership that it made my life difficult in areas I shouldn't of grappled with. It all toppled after the Pastor was revealed for the crook liar and cheat he was, and cost him a leg from being shot by a betrayed husband! You might imagine it left a bad taste in my mouth for organized religion and church. I had trouble trusting teachers and leadership and always found a big problem if I sought out a church home to dwell in. I went so deeply into the world and sin I barely had any desire to try to get on a path toward his will for my life. ( still struggling) After God revealed things to me in a way I couldnt deny or run from I decided to start again like a babe in Christ to build a personal REAL relationship with Jesus. I prayed for God to let that hurt and bitterness fall away and asked if he would be merciful to guide me to someone truly of his anointing. I accepted him as my savior as a young pre-teen but the relationship was built on bad examples and experiences rather than just good people serving him ( the bad experience was brief as far as it ended at 12yrs old or so, and my parents did find truth and I had that shared with me always) Church however, I was not ready to navigate..it was not in my plans in a real way Because of my yrust issues I was not expecting much to come from a google search of sermons expecting the razzle dazzle and deception with a touch of pay me to pray for you at wrap. My 1st click was a sermon of Francis Chans and instantly I was effected by his sincerity and heart for God. The sermon was word for word meant for my ears and condirmation to my current studies I was doing on my own. Gods way of giving me peace about the teacher and his true intent.... I did briefly find a home church but you nailed it, there is no unity and I always end up feeling judged, scorned, or discouraged for trying to find my footing. Due to a new pastor being voted in after the previous passed on, the gossip, division, amd slander eventually got to me amd I quit going. Despite feeling I had also found a pastpr to get behind. I actually got repeatedly told I was making a big mistake going there and it made me dread church. Thing is he just was willing to cater to old traditional ways if he was Led to go another route. He sought to encourage the youth to love God and he made it a point to have these youth step into action as worship leaders, pray leaders, things like that while still being inclusive and truly preaching scripture. He was only guilty of having new ideas that sought out lost souls. He wanted to disciple and make disciples of the ones out here facing hard choices and different times instead of doing the same old Sunday "routine" He dared to preach and lead boldly. That was his crime.......... The point is people don't realize the hurt they can inflict on babes in Christ by chastising and downing rather than loving people where theyre at and allowing God to change the person from within. Anyway....God put Francis Chan in my path, and his love for Jesus was something I was envious of. I wanted to be so in Love with Jesus I cant wait to spend time with him everyday.. To see him as an actual manifestation of another being that I have a back and forth with rather than just the supernatural thunder in the sky. No mockery intended, I just saw the relationship between us and him in a new light and needed that. I was ready to submit to his will for my life. I find that the other things became such a discouragement and distraction, which is exactly what the devil wants. To seperate us from our creator. Division among the people, the beliefs, the ideology, and the theory sure does take away from the focus of his word and his commandments to his people. How can we fight the enemy if were to busy fighting with one another???? Don't stop seeking and growing Mr. Chan! Spend the time searching for truth, finding areas that needed replanted in your walk and teachings rather than taking time defending yourself over accusations and debating. Accountabilty is necessary, I understand that point from the criticisms... I just feel like thats not what is happening. It was a full on heretic false prophecy attack on your charachter and they're going to answer for that as well one day if they had tainted motives.... Because of your humility, and seeing you admit publicly it weighed on you enough you have had to seek truth- even if it went against your prior teachings and beliefs is INSPIRING . I can get behind and learn from a man isn't always 100 % right nd says so, or that evolves in his understanding of Gods word enough to say maybe I was off here.... Even when you had tp face criticism and have your faith questioned or are slandered you stood up for what you felt God led you to do. I think thats what I connect with in order to hear Gods word and feel confident about the teacher I place trust in. You are real... Amd very human... So annoited and spiritually gifted... ... Only one perfect human in the flesh ever was or will be. We can't be that to a point we needed a lamb to intercede for our faults. Why then do we point out what we Arrogantly see as wrong to our very brothers and sister's in him? I'm guessing because its easier than working on self... Cant we love one another, encourage, and pray for each other rather than point fingers or slander someone? I understand as a leader you are held to certain standards biblically speaking, and do need accountability partnerships on your continued walk with God. But I feel like the church and the christian brothers and sisters ( not all people or churches of course, but a great percentage) are pushing the lost or the seeking but not firmly planted folks away from the Lord, mostly because arrogance overides humilty. If there was ever a place the gospel an anoited God appointed leader should be spoken and shared at, I gonna go on and say at a prosperity or charismatic showman type movement would be to a GREAT place to start. Thousands gathered to seek truth, peace, salvation, or just came because curiosity brought them there needed to hear the true gospel message. They may of been led astray in huge ways had Mr. Chan not followed his heart. Francis Chan, you are fruitful and it shows. You're a blessing, and I am learning from you and your family always. What great examples you all are.j Thank you for fearlessly teaching his word, but still being humble enough to say that you're still learning more about his word and seeking TRUTH too. Not being to proud to realize we may interpret or niss things God reveals to us in his time. We see you out here doing something productive to win souls to the Lord. Not wasting time spinning wheels to "expose" the perceived faults of your fellow brethren........ I cant believe the irony of that entire situation! If it didn't possibly cost other people a relationship with God it might actually be a bit comical.......

Thank you for THIS. So many of us within the church struggle with this.

great conversation. probably from bickle talking about this recently, i was led a couple days ago to reread john chapters 13-17. i’m in the midst of it now, and was just today reading what francis mentioned about thomas asking Jesus about knowing the way! i’m taking this as confirmation, and i’ll probably linger in those chapters for a bit :). lets all dig hard into the word seek His face and expect His grace in accomplishing the unity He requires. only through his power/grace will we truly become the beautiful bride of Christ ⭐️

I’m currently reading “Insurgence”, by Frank Viola. Highly recommended for anyone wrestling with the issues discussed in this video.

Absolutely loved this talk! I’ve listened to it twice!

Wow thank you for allowing us to sit in on this deep conversation between good friends in ministry. So relatable, ive been so encouraged!

This is so good. We are in an evangelical church that does not preach the spirit filled life. I am frustrated but my husband feels we need to stay and pray for change. It’s so hard to know what to do!!

Truth is the path.

Just a thought on both you two brothers in the LORD, why not get a Catholic apologist on the channel and dialogue about what you think the Catholic church is all about and see the other side of the coin, you both might be surprised...don't be afraid! many have done such and been surprised at the misconceptions. Blessings...

He is 💯. I was raised catholic. There are people in the Catholic Church that twist things. But I’m sure there are people in all religions that twist the truth. Butttt the true faith of catholic loves Jesus as our Lord and Savior and believes the Bible is the word of God and there are some things that are different but that’s just a different way of worship but it does not mean they aren’t following the truth.

amen

jordan peterson and Francis chan should have a chat sometime, that'd be interesting.

God bless Francis Chan ❤️

I'm a missionary in Southern Ecuador and I am working in a town of purely Catholic people. This town has never had any other church other than the Roman Catholic Church. I would be really curious to hear Francis Chan talk about what he or how he would approach communion in a place where it is idolatry. I have a lot of friends here and it is clearly the general mentality that going mass, confessing sins to the priest, taking communion, and praying to Mary and the saints is all they need to do to be good with God.

The Love Walk is key. God is love . . . Encounter God.

I deeply love Francis Chan.He is very honest,humble and teachable.I the opportunity of meeting him in person at his HQ in San Francisco and got to see that he is a true minister who doesn't pretend to know it all....I loved the boxer's analogy...we are constantly knocked out by our brethren!

I LOVE THIS CONVERSATION!

Most authentic christ follower I have had the honor to meet and study under.

As a catholic who had a deep encounter with God’s love in a Catholic Charismatic Movement, I understand the diversity in the church. I really appreciate Francis’ work and humility. As I was listening into the conversation and the mentioning of different denominations, I couldn’t help to bring in my mind all different religion orders and movements with in the Catholic Church. Guys keep up the work it seems that our broken nature delights on feeding out of pride which leads the body of Christ into division.

Romans 16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. Right from the bible doctrine is very important more than unity I think God's word is much, much more important. Well the first time ALL of mankind was united they got together to defy God to build the tower of Babel.

I don’t have a background in theology. I accepted Christ as a young child and has been walking the journey ever since. I was raised in a very strict Reformed church and was made very aware of my sins continuously and how I was not worthy of God’s mercy. That lead to some serious self confidence issues - ie. denying myself to the point that I did not feel worthy of even existing. After school I jumped between churches but to be honest: Keep your eyes on Christ, follow the truth in the Bible. Be able to discern for yourself based on your knowledge of scripture what false teachings are. And most important: Love Christ and love others. I love Francis Frangipane’s teachings.

Though I’m so low on the totem pole-as far as being a well known speaker is concerned-it blows my mind how deeply I’ve been thinking about the same thing lately in the last year to the point of studying the writings of the first century church founders whose concern also was the unity of the church. If this was Jesus’ prayer how can we ignore it. May God use both of you to bring this to fruition.

Francis Chan, I am Catholic and I’m blessed by you and your humble search of the truth. I was blown away when you said, (paraphrase) “truth is not found in books... otherwise the illiterate can’t know truth... truth is Jesus.” I can learn more from Jesus than I can from books. This happened to the likes of Catherine of Siena who although she never went to school knew deep truths about our Lord.

We love you Francis Chan! Stand strong brother!

Brothers, let me tell Ya, I enjoyed that. An abundance of Truth in that. Conversation SHA'LOM to u both

It is crazy that people are attacking this man right now. I posted a video talking about how people are attacking him and my thoughts on it. He has truly impacted my life in so many ways!

Wow that was a fantastic conversation!

I am that person. We started a Bible study via zoom. We also have weekly prayer. The church has gotten so caught up in worldly functions, politics, etc. I desire a Godly worship service, but the other issue is the msg’s are so watered down it scares me because these ministers are not teaching truth and we have a generation of ppl that are lost. I respect MacArthur, but I too believe more love needs to be shown, we can give ppl the truth but they must see the love of Jesus in us. I think politics has crept in too much in the church so that’s a huge problem in the church too. But I believe all saints need to study the word to show thyself approved. We need to seek and God will be found. But I believe our heart has to be lined up with God’s word so that we can draw the unsaved and even saved that don’t know the word. Prayer has to also be very important in a believers life. We must imitate Christ and He always showed loved to the broken-hearted but he rebuked ones that only had an outer appearance but their heart was stone. I agree with a lot of what I heard you say. But there are too many rules in all these denominations and in the apostles times we were just Christians and not a denomination. Denominations came about because men couldn’t agree and the church split. Being in disagreement is not the worst thing but I don’t think God would have us disagree to a point where ppl can’t come together because as a Christian I believe in unity. I only call myself a Christian, I don’t use a denomination when I talk to others about Jesus. I follow what was set up originally, Christian. Thank you for this interview it was very informative.

Also to say unity and how we should love one another with holy reverence, how is the love the John Mac was explaining to Francis something to be dismissed? Biblical love does include truth and justice.

This interview was such a blessing… thank you! Forward toward unity in Christ …

Hi, I’m very curious in the church you want to in Beaverton, OR! I’m moving there in a month and am in need to find a good church! Thanks!

Francis absolutely nailed it when he said when he sees humility in these different denomination pastors, the willingness to say maybe the were wrong on a doctrine and they want to know the truth.... WOW. THIS is where we will start to come together. This is how we move forward. Humility. Seeking. Love.

In order to achieve Church Unity we must: 1. Agree that HIS Truth is the ultimate thing we need to have Faith in. We have to stop saying “well I believe this or that”... what does he command us to believe in? 2. We need an authority to protect and defend His Truth that we are all willing to submit to just as we would submit to Jesus. 3. Jesús actually setup such and authority in His Church that started with Peter and the Disciples and then was handed down from generation to generation. We need to know our Church History for the first 400 years before there was any set Scripture. 4. We must be willing to go where that leads us because where we have been clearly isn’t working. How do we know it isn’t working: 1. There are 30,000 different denominations each with its own set and variations of “beliefs” and “traditions”. This all due to the idea of Sola Scriptura and that each of us can read and be the Authority over the interpretation of what we read. 2. It is now “in the water” that there is “no objective Truth”. The Christian church has lost that battle. In fact we have contributed to it. See #1. Also ask your kids if they think it is possible to know right from wrong. You will be shocked. 3. Because of #1 and #2 we no longer have the ability to tell anyone “we have the Truth”. In fact how often do you even here “the truth” bring something that is taught or preached about? We love love, but we don’t teach God’s Truth about love. 4. Our society thinks it is ok to riot and destroy and kill people in the name of fighting for “justice”. But see #2. If you have no idea what justice is, what are you really fighting for? They are fighting for power and control. That battle if it continues will neither get them what they think they want nor will it end without more destruction and bloodshed. All this while the church remains silent and there even those that think they are “loving their neighbor” by agreeing with the violent. Where is the Church teaching that power and control are idols and will never satisfy? Where is the church teaching that in order to be saved you must submit to your Lord day and be a servant to all? 5. The murder of babies is called “women’s healthcare”. 6. The accusation of voter fraud is considered “right wing”. 7. To be “Right wing/conservative/Christian” is now a bad thing. 8. And so many other examples of our society “losing its mind”... 9. What is our response as Christians? It should be: 1. The God of the Universe is the Author of all Truth. 2. Jesus instituted a church of Authority through Peter and the Disciples. 3. The Church has maintained unity and become a worldwide influence from these vary roots. 4. Rather than thinking what you know about the evils of the Catholic Church, actually learn for yourself. Learn the early church History, read the Catholic catechism, then go back to the New Testament and see if it all matches up. 5. Return to the Catholic Church in the name of the Truth of Jesus Christ and God our Creator.

I was a skeptic of Benny Hinn. I live in Orlando and had the opportunity to go to a “Jesus Night” and Benny Hinn was preaching and I was blown away about how much scripture he knows and how accurate his preaching was. This was after he publicly repented on his preaching. He seems like he genuinely changed for the better.

Funny thing is, I come from a strong pentecostal background and I've always listened to you guys and so many other people. The things you guys are talking about are the very things many of 7s have been talking about for a long time. You guys are awesome much love brothers

Thank you so much for this!!

Aaaaaaaaamen!!!!!

I'm a Baptist pastor up in Canada and on the same page Francis! Not all of us are curmudgeons, lol. Love you guys!

Based on what was shared about the experience of seminary, consider checking out the book The Other Half of Church by Wilder and Hendricks. Having walked a similar road, it is bringing things full circle. 😊

This was great. I can definitely relate to everything Pastor Chan was talking about especially the arrogance and pride

I ask this sincerely: With all this, how do we deal with scripture that instructs us not to “have anything to do” with those who are advocating/teaching outright false doctrines? Where’s the balance between that and love/unity/humility, etc?

I am so blessed by this conversation. I just got out of a hyper reformed and conservative church who think people are in a destructive paths in if their theology doesn't line up exactly with our church's theology. It was a toxic environment. You both described perfectly what i felt was wrong when Christians care more about "truth" than unity and loving people.

Very helpful. Love you both!

I'm So So Sorry. This is my first time hearing this. Please, Dont Give Up! We are listening and you preach God's Word with such passion, Please, don't stop.