An Italian Own Goal - The Maserati Spyder Cambiocorse

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Жыл бұрын

In today's video, I drive the oft forgotten Maserati Spyder. The precursor to the GranSpyder, this is a dedicated two seater sports car, with gorgeous looks and a stunning engine - but one big problem.
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@supaG-1.0 Жыл бұрын

It's a shame they got rid of the boomerang rear lights .

@winstonmace4865 Жыл бұрын

I believe it was due to US regulations that caused the design to change on the updated model.

@xkimopye Жыл бұрын

The boomerang made it look exotic

@HipsterNgariman Жыл бұрын

@@winstonmace4865 I believe Frank Stephenson forced the designers to change the tail lights because he couldn't argue with Ferrari boss that hated them and wanted them gone

@winstonmace4865 Жыл бұрын

@@HipsterNgariman That's interesting. Will ask him about it.

@aronaskairys88 Жыл бұрын

@@winstonmace4865 I think he mentioned that story in his reaction video to MaseratiMC20 design

@joeboomz 9 ай бұрын

This video made me buy an 05 Spyder CC, happens to be the exact same colors as this one. It's a blast to drive, doesn't have the described shakes, and fills in my M-hole perfectly. Thanks for these entertaining and informative videos Jay.

@Tonewheeldude Жыл бұрын

Maserati 4200 is a great car. I have had several.:)

@Jalreal Жыл бұрын

Feels like a true Italian car in every way. Cars are so homogenized now that it's difficult to stand out, and you definitely will in one of these.

@TonyMontana-zz3kb Жыл бұрын

I have the 4200 Coupe 2003, had it for 3 years now and no major issues. On 58000 miles now and it's a fantastic car to drive. The cambiocorsa gearbox is easy to use and shifts perfectly and quickly (not sure if it's has a software upgrade). I have sports exhausts which sound fantastic and sprints the car to 60 faster than my 911 3.4l . Not as engaging or rewarding as the 911, but certainly special and more exotic, and it's Italian.

@TIMSANDYSURF Жыл бұрын

I like your new appreciation of ‘interesting’ it should bring a whole new dimension to the channel and hopefully an understanding of those who keep them on the road.

@steveframe4802 Жыл бұрын

3 litre Z4 , underated , at the bottom of it's depreciation curve . Does not over power a public road. Goes. Stops . Handles. Cheap to maintain. Fun.

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

I have a lot of time for the Z4

@finlaysupercars1683 Жыл бұрын

I love this era of Maserati unlike many others

@eze8970 Жыл бұрын

Thanks J, despite it's flaws, a Maserati will always appeal! 🙏🙏

@noostroi Жыл бұрын

I was going to ask about the scuttle shake... (Just got to the point where you mention it) My dad had one, and we were never sure whether the front wanted to stay attached to the back... Lovely engine note though! (I remember someone saying the later models were stiffer, but never experienced that first-hand)

@tes77a Жыл бұрын

Lovely looking car, but I agree the Gransport is the one to go for.

@chriscomparescars4416 Жыл бұрын

Well placed with the intro, I think Maserati sits exactly as you say, not as crazy as a TVR but more exciting then a Jag etc

@rare6499 Жыл бұрын

Lovely looking car, sounds great. Perfect to waft about it on a summers day.

@TheMrFishnDucks Жыл бұрын

Awesome car. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

@Spheredalai Жыл бұрын

if someone lets me decide whether i want to drive a ferrari or lamborgini for the rest of my life, i would choose maserati 100%

@michaelstaunton1632 Жыл бұрын

Enjoying the content on your channel keep up the good work 🎥👍👍

@chriscarbaugh3936 Жыл бұрын

I recently saw one, which could have been this car’s twin in a detailing shop. I totally fell in love with it. In this colour it’s 💙

@simon_hollins Жыл бұрын

I’ve had a 2002 CC Spyder for about 7 years. I think the review is pretty accurate. Like someone else said, after a few weeks the scuttle shake faded for me. Driving in Sport makes it worse as it firms the dampers. Handling etc. is enjoyable. It’s not a sports car, it weighs 1700kg, but it has character and beauty which is what I wanted. Also, it’s not a chopped down 4200 Coupe. The Spyder was launched first and was a completely different car from the 3200.

@Digitalpiracy Жыл бұрын

When it comes to scuttle shake on larger convertibles...... I'd love to see you driving an original Volvo C70 convertible to see what you made of it. Car I've always been curious about....

@bicyclist2 Жыл бұрын

The only Maserati's we see here in the US are the Quatroporte, or the Grand Tourismo. This is simply beautiful. I hope to be able to at least see one in person some day. Great content. Thank you.

@fabianhenrich4697 Жыл бұрын

This is a man who moved into gold, as everyone moved out. This is a man who drives a Maserati. To quote Mr. Clarkson here

@6chhelipilot Жыл бұрын

The scuttle shake reminds me of an XR3i cabriolet I once drove.

@tekis0 Жыл бұрын

I have always liked the Maserati "look."

@paulb4uk Жыл бұрын

A great looking car though despite its scuttle shake .

@LurchLures Жыл бұрын

Can't see much as recovering from eye surgery. But Great sound from Maserati and Great commentary is more than enough. Thanks.

@thedrivebygg Жыл бұрын

Never seen one on the road, but like the coupe versions, and they sound great.

@craigm2484 Жыл бұрын

That Sound !

@stevec9767 Жыл бұрын

Great channe! James, I enjoy watching you more than Clarkson back in the day

@iancharlton678 Жыл бұрын

That IS… a V8 🥳 cross plane every time…….. even with a power advantage, flat planes sound like blancmange…….. mellifluous-ness 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 How about straight pipes, a tune, seats, suspension and a proper fixed cage……. WooooooHooooooo!! I’m feeling it……… ❤

@matthewgodwin3050 Жыл бұрын

Interesting observation: I've never ever heard a financially well off person complaining about a car's reliability. The type of people who do do that are invariably always working in a job paying minimum wage, and therefore can just about afford an older prestige car, but not the maintenance of said vehicle. And to cover up their ineptitude, blame the car for being unreliable. Moral of the story: Buy a well and properly maintained example of your preferred car, keep up the maintenance, and it will be pretty much fine.

@raypurchase801 Жыл бұрын

As the owner of a '69 Alfa: Maseratis are even more desirable, and even more trouble.

@benpenagonzales6014 Жыл бұрын

Lol - that intro was written exactly for me! Had a boxster, getting a i20N for the school run, keeping the X5.... but there's a moderately priced hole in my garage...

@MrArisapos Жыл бұрын

My mate had this car back in the day. Spent half its life in the workshop something kept breaking every time and even when it worked wasnt the best drive. The engine was the only marvel in this.

@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland Жыл бұрын

What a beauty !

@squarterman8807 Жыл бұрын

I owned one of these for 2 years and covered 12,000 miles in it. Black convertible with cream leather. I can honestly say that looking back it is my favourite car that I've ever owned. Absolutely loved it. Flawed, yes, but in terms of being interesting, rare, beautiful and fast it ticked all of those boxes in a way few other cars could. I replaced it with a 996 C4S convertible, which was probably slightly more dynamic but I don't look back on it anywhere near as fondly.

@XboxTheBeatboxer Жыл бұрын

This was a great intro speech!

@kevincockburn7805 Жыл бұрын

Nice quote from "life's been good"

@rod4607 Жыл бұрын

I know it’s a while away but can’t wait for your LFR review

@snoopy10411 Жыл бұрын

Quite liked the look of these when they came out.

@AdamAus85 Жыл бұрын

Man those door mirrors looks very much like those on my 05 166. It would make sense. That's another thing I like about my 166, the mirrors. You jump and the way they kick up is very reminiscent of an Italian sports car.

@G928... Жыл бұрын

You're right they are the elec folding mirrors of a 166, even the internal switch panel for them is the same. Unfortunately the 4200's also share the heater matrix of a 166 which as you may know has developed a great tendency to leak! It's a complete dash out job to change, which I need to do this winter.

@AdamAus85 Жыл бұрын

@@G928... Dash out on 4200? I know on the 166 you can access it from engine bay.

@G928... Жыл бұрын

@@AdamAus85 Yeah unfortunately the dash has to come out. Quite a few club members have done it and documented, so hopefully not too difficult, just time consuming.

@edwardbarker2008 Жыл бұрын

I’d heard horror stories too about the shake but took the plunge anyway on a great deal “just for the engine”. Zero shake. None. Wonder if there’s an aftermarket fix that’s been applied by a previous owner. The clutch is an acquired taste but I got an aftermarket computer that patches into the ECM. Amazing impact.

@icantgivecredit871 Жыл бұрын

I would be very curious to know if there had been an aftermarket modification. Have you found anything new in the last few months? Supposedly, the '04+ models were stiffened... but, from what I've heard from others, even the GranSport Spyder had more scuttle shake than what was considered acceptable in a modern convertible.

@poovaneswaranvsupramaniam35 Жыл бұрын

Nice review.....pity affected by the horrible scuttle shake

@thedetailingdoctor5746 Жыл бұрын

Fuck yes! Outrunning the rain sounds phenomenal! 😮

@XxXBattleStarXxX Жыл бұрын

Beautiful car, I still have a nice model of the spyder in that coupe's deep blue

@TechItOut Жыл бұрын

Who needs a roof when you have that sound. Maserati definitely has the best soundtrack.

@jamessheehy4895 Жыл бұрын

That gear lever is hilarious

@Rockit181 Жыл бұрын

Even with stiff rate coilovers, my 986 doesn't have noticeable scuttleshake. Get the Maserati coupe, or maybe the subsequent gen Spyder. I suppose you could have some chassis bracing fabricated from a racing shop, which would also solve it

@setter501 Жыл бұрын

Bloody hell Jay! Fancy a young fella like you Knowing about Joe Walsh and his Mazzo doin 185! Good on you! (Sure it wasn't kph!? being in the 70s! 😆😆😆) Great vid BTW! From one of those old man Jag owners(no pipe no slippers!)I was dragged up in the 70s! In those days an E type definitely a young man's car! An XJ a crooks car!😆 You'd have been a big hit back then mate! we have an XKR owner, a Spanish bloke our club who never! Puts the top up, he just outruns the rain! 😆 Cheers mate! You have a big following here in Oz! 👍

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

Thanks, one day I shall visit down under I think! Lots of lovely people there commenting on my videos

@tajebelazi7599 Жыл бұрын

I was lusting for the grand sport but that shaking is shaking me off the idea thanking you with much respect

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

Allegedly they're better but without trying one I couldn't say by how much

@williammarchant2920 Жыл бұрын

They solved the shuttle shake with the 2005 model with a substantial steel brace under the chassis - the same upgrades they incorporated into the Gransport models.

@malcolmhardwick4258 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like its gonna shake itself to pieces !

@presidentNMK Жыл бұрын

Never had that problem with ours. Sure, it's not as sturdy as the 360 Spider we also have, but it's a proper curve eater. Ours is slightly lowered and was delivered without the Skyhook suspension, so that might play a role. But I don't at all agree that this car suffers from scattle shake, at least not ours. I would guess "Rory" has some issues, not the CC Spyder in general.

@richardgrace3482 Жыл бұрын

I’ve driven 8 of them and I can absolutely verify they’re the very epitome of scuttle shake.

@presidentNMK Жыл бұрын

@@richardgrace3482 ok, then ours is unique, as it just doesn't.

@richardgrace3482 Жыл бұрын

If yours is >04MY they’re greatly improved, and Gransport Spyders are better again.

@richardgrace3482 Жыл бұрын

Accurate review as always James. The early Spyders are scuttletastic, 04MY onwards significantly better, but just buy a Gransport coupe.

@api849 Жыл бұрын

Gotta be a spyder - roof always down unless it's raining

@user-en9zo2ol4z 9 ай бұрын

Around my suburb in Melbourne Australia, we have quite a few Maserati Giblie's and perhaps two Ferraris of mixed pedigree, they are all driven by Italians who happen to be real estate agents. Which explains it all, given the astronomical prices of these cars here. So apparently an Italian heritage and the access to vast amounts of money will inevitably result in sports cars from Italy, this also applies to motorcycles, though perhaps less so, as they are cheaper relatively. Most young Italians will be riding an MV Augusta triple cylinder, and they certainly look the business.

@chrisogrady28 Жыл бұрын

The rule of roofs having to be down should extend to the windows too. Seeing people driving around with roof down windows up looks so stupid. (I know James has them you for sound quality)

@sainta2667 Жыл бұрын

Such a beautiful car! timeless, classic and so special. I know - I had one. by the way, you can't drive the car in sport mode, it's too hard. The car does not shake at all in normal mode.

@Carrera-gp9od Жыл бұрын

Are the owners slightly miffed when you do a negative review like this ? I always wonder what you say to them when you take the car back 😀

@Sonnymonster Жыл бұрын

I think they know James is going to do a warts and all review, he has a reputation for telling the truth, in s good way👍

@JulioEMora-ou7xh Жыл бұрын

The scuddle is the lockup torque converter is out of balance or drive shaft?

@sexytasmin Жыл бұрын

Nice SILVER wheels James.

@markreynolds8449 Жыл бұрын

Oddly enough a good friend had one of these and then a TVR….talk about glutton for punishment! The Maser was great and he enjoyed it a lot. But there was a nagging doubt from the dealer over the engine that persuaded him to get it replaced under warranty (Thankfully he had one!). But that just set in place a real doubt over the car and he just didn’t trust it after that. Weird how it has appreciated in that 10 years since.

@Tracertme Жыл бұрын

James one thing it has over yours is it’s dry sump and more of a real race engine…. It’s a great car

@seinsmeld13 Жыл бұрын

Giddy up Batman.😁

@emixmim Жыл бұрын

This must be a really early car. The later ones reduced the chassis flexing significantly.

@clevelandaeromotive Жыл бұрын

I’ve only seen Jay not like a car, twice. Although I’m probably not right on my count. This car and the giant turbo retro-fit Skyline.

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

Also Abarth 595, modified Civic FK2, and I am sure others

@RzogL Жыл бұрын

Good looks, great engine, posh interior. 1.7 tons though...

@aaronjacobs462 Жыл бұрын

I know its a safe shout but have you tried the SL from that era? I have a 350 that while isn't the most powerful thing it's definitely no SLK

@marcomorana 8 ай бұрын

You should have mentioned that the 4.2 liter engine is the same mounted in the 360 Ferrari Modena.. this is interesting also price wise..you mentioned that spyder is 22 cm shorter then the coupe so go the better handling (implicit)... for F1 fan guys.. this very same type of car was driven by Shumi in Fiorano (a must watch video test drive) .. apart from this.. overall it's a practical and very fair car review! TVR vs Maserati not sure.. which TVR type?

@Jon-mv2ck Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know the year (or vin) they added in more bracing and the shake problem was reduced?

@brianiswrong Жыл бұрын

Do the aftermarket do a cross brace for the chassis? We had a saab convertible and when I had the aftermarket spider frame added to the chassis it reduced scuttle shake dramatically

@WillThePlank Жыл бұрын

I was wondering if that was something you could get, I know also on the MX5 you could get some inserts that go into the door latches that also reduces the scuttle shake.

@G928... Жыл бұрын

Yeah I knew you'd pan it for the scuttle shake, I've got an 02 plate as well. TBH for the first few weeks it really annoyed me, (mind the windows don't rattle on mine) but now I guess my brain has been programmed to cancel that out, like white noise. Instead it is now just another of the inputs from the car. Does seem like the problem was reduced in the later 03 or 04 on cars, but I'm sure they're still not great. As you say the highlight is the engine, but I really don't find the handling bad, but yeah easy to provoke oversteer even with the stability on. Having had a Boxster S and Griff 500 in the past I'd still take the Spider for it's sense of occasion and the Maser engine is a lot, lot nicer than the pushrod Rover.

@api849 Жыл бұрын

Yes I've pretty much got used to the scuttle shake - negligable largely on European roads!! And the rattling window has been sorted.

@G928... Жыл бұрын

@@api849 Well to be fair, we do live in the south of France 🙂 Nice colour scheme on yours, I wouldn't have said it's that common on Spiders? Mine is black metallic with grey and black interior.

@jamesonslow Жыл бұрын

I've watched so many of your videos now, James, that it feels you're becoming part of the family. Nice job once again!

@hexgraphica Жыл бұрын

This review almost ended at sunset. If you manage to film a late 90s Trans-Am, be it at sunset with a funky shirt of yours and sunglasses on all the time

@andybroer651 9 ай бұрын

I'm looking to swap my 1972 TR6 for a 2003 6 speed manual. I figure scuttle shake will be about the same, but would rather have the Maserati sitting in the garage late at night and on a Sunday drive in the California sunshine. Thoughts?

@farishanafiah8461 Жыл бұрын

4200 Spyder with manual gearbox is definitely my choice.

@mirkomasini Жыл бұрын

Just bought a2002 with 21k original miles Wondering about the noise I hear in rear from shifting.. Is that normal?

@cirian75 Жыл бұрын

sounds like its needs some aftermarket bracing.

@allimikej Жыл бұрын

My father in law purchased one in very good condition . Sold it after two summers . Maintenance nightmare .

@chintetshing1668 Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏

@BR-ur2gk 7 ай бұрын

Ive got a 2002 Silver Spyder and really don't notice the scuttle shudder, definitely not they way your test model does, perhaps it has run flats? I get way more in my S2000, also agree the gearbox isnt that bad, its not smooth but it is a sequential manual designed with the help of Shumaker - not supposed to be smooth its also in the Enzo and no one complains abouit that .- the worst thing about the car is the SatNav/Radio in my opinion

@Sonnymonster Жыл бұрын

James, you could do a thoroughly entertaining video using facial expressions only👍💙

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

I think a few people might prefer that!

@martinm964 5 ай бұрын

How about a Abarth 124 Spider?

@MolotovAustralia Жыл бұрын

The underbody cross braces must be loose. Also a strut brace. I have a roadster (another brand)

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

It's a well known issue with them

@markkillington3394 Жыл бұрын

As an owner of a 2003 Spyder with the manual 6 speed with glass rear window scuttle shake is non-issue. The bald lad Chris Harris mentioned the scuttle shake and it seems every car journo feels obliged to overdo since.

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

I never watched Harris' piece, or any others - I make my own judgements and the scuttle shake is horrendous. I am amazed anyone would put up with it. I drove a TVR Chimaera the week after this and it was rock solid by comparison

@reitsmaassociates Жыл бұрын

Love Joe Welsh for telling us what to expect 😅

@zzhughesd Жыл бұрын

I had. 5 years. CambioC Spyder. Enjoyed the car. Not enjoyed the car. The brand drips in history but recent cars are too FCA Fiat trim woes. They no longer wow. I didn’t find rust problems. Roof clip broke. Clutch’s wear on light use 20,00030,000 miles. Skuttle shake correct. It was very skittish drive. Looks. Engine note and engine bay visual is why you buy the 4200 series. Not the drive.

@04dram04 Жыл бұрын

The dashboard on this is beautiful

@ChristianHiroseRomeoGraham Жыл бұрын

One of the only decent modern Maseratis made. I'm generaly not a Maserati fan at all, but this gets a thumbs up from me.👍

@richardgrace3482 Жыл бұрын

One of the ‘only’ 🤔. Facelift 4200’s & Gransports are exceptional, as is a QPV GTS, Granturismo S MC Shift, GT Sport, Stradale, QPVI GTS and a 3200 AC. So this is one of the ‘only’ ones that aren’t any good.

@ChristianHiroseRomeoGraham Жыл бұрын

@@richardgrace3482 This was only coming from a non-Maserati Fan.Of course, you'd like many Maseratis because you're a fan of it.

@mariosadamou9632 Жыл бұрын

I had one… engine fantastic when the rest of the car would work. You never knew when it would and sometimes it fixed itself or broke down on its own whilst garaged. Never got another one is like the horny ex who was good at the time but not the long term

@martinboulden4388 Жыл бұрын

There’s so many reasons to buy one but just one not to - Maintenance Costs ! I came very close recently and woke up before i embarked on getting my bum slapped !

@richardgrace3482 Жыл бұрын

Buy a good late one you’ll be fine. Or buy a late coupe or Gransport as it’s 10x better.

@leehockenhull9871 Жыл бұрын

Bet it’s stiffer with the roof up, I speak with experience with a old c70

@04dram04 Жыл бұрын

I had no idea the spyder was shorter.

@johnsampey344 Жыл бұрын

What about a full rebushing ? Would that help ? It's just very hard to imagine the Italians turning out a less than perfect Sports Car.

@JayEmmOnCars Жыл бұрын

They've done it plenty of times before

@hotf00t13 Жыл бұрын

Might be good with a rollcage 😂

@R-Tap Жыл бұрын

If a Maserati sounds bad then it's broken. Saw and heard my 1st MC20 at the weekend, sounded magic. What about putting it on air?

@jstdrv Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the car had a bent wheel or two

@stevefitchett6193 Жыл бұрын

A car sadly defined by 2 noises firstly that amazing V8 secondly the rattle constantly in the background as you pointed out. Maybe one of those cars better to lust after than to own

@robertmenghini.Lambomad Жыл бұрын

I owned a spider for years, the chassis was terrible, especially when you accelerate round corners! I think it’s because they chipped the roof off! The engine was glorious!

@edijsansbergs5281 Жыл бұрын

It was in production from 2001-2007 ,but it looks like it was from 1991-1997

@emmettl7953 Жыл бұрын

As a period of motor development, 2000s is not that bad. Not good for ALFA, but everything else seems at least feasible when it comes to legendary car.