PVZ player: "I hate spend less than X sun!" Bloons Player: "I hate half cash!" *picture of a peashooter and monkey kissing*

It's almost as if this tier list is somewhat subjective for it states the creator's opinion. I doubt Creepz would pull such a trick on us, however...

I wish that the Pea Pod thing would count as one single plant, and not theup to five you can put in there. It's an interesting plant, but I almost never use it, and I'd use it much more often in those levels.

Endangered plant levels have produced one of my underrated most frustrating levels in the game, big wave beach 15

I think a lot of peoples issue with "don't lose X plants" might just come from Big Wave Beach 28. Because Big Wave Beach's entire strategy revolves around sacrificing plants you're willing to lose by putting them in the front lines.

The title needs a few more adjectives

I kinda like somewhat easy Last Stands as they let you experiment with high cost or just plain bad plants; Pirate seas 22 is one of my most played levels just to see which plants can make it, make it without losing one, etc.

I feel like survive with most plants picked is actually better than all plants picked from a casual standpoint, because it can be annoying and a little jarring if you plan on using your own strategy and you’re suddenly forced to use something different and sometimes boring.

The "don't spend sun for X seconds" has baited me _twice_ in mods (maybe in the same level) because I forgot both times that it doesn't have to be at the beginning of the level, just don't do it for some time within the level. I thought that you had to use plants like Iceberg (free stuff) to deal with the zombies before you could start using sun.

man! locked and loaded was so good that pvz 3 is ALL locked and loaded levels! Thank you Popcap!! 😇🙏🏻🙏🏻

I actually kinda liked that one level in vanilla where dinosaurs are constantly kicking zombies over the flower line and you're given primal peashooters to work with so you have to constantly assess how well they are doing and control that so they can't knock zombies past the flower line *from the back.*

The use less sun than X amount is the worst objective IMO solely for the fact that you can pass the threshold by accident, like you said it could be a good objective but it’s glaring issue has made me fail the most

Fun fact: spore shroom and witch hazel can make you fail the "Never have more than X plants" objectives. Found that out the hard way once

I actually like don't lose more than x plants, as long as the level doesn't include too many insta kill zombies, so it actually encourages walls and discourages instas.

Finally, an objective tierlist

Trample flowers is fine, but putting it close to the front is SADISTIC

This is an objective tier list on objectives. Here´s why. Fun video!

i think what we learned from this is that Wild West conveyor belts are an amazing mechanic

I feel like all of the objectives have enough to them to be able to make a level really interesting but they just choose not to put in the work. I just thought up a really interesting endangered plant level idea for pirate seas. Lanes 1 3 and 5 have planks and an endangered spikeweed one tile back from the planks, barrel rollers spawn a lot and you have to stop them from rolling them over, but in the unplanked lanes theres endangered garlics that will redirect rope swing zombies into the main lanes cluttering them up making it harder to deal with the barrel rollers. But theres enough room for strategy due to the endangered plants having an empty tile in front of them. Honestly, I kinda wish I could help come up with ideas for challenge levels in a mod or something.

i liked the endangered plant level where you had to keep using plant food on the puff shroom to survive

I feel they could have been more creative with some of the passive objectives. Like the produces x sun was a huge missed opportunity. What if it was produces x sun in order for the level to end. The longer the level goes on the harder it gets until it gets to difficult for the average player.

"dont spend more than __" is the literal fun police, along with "dont plant more than ___" and "dont lose more than __" they just limit your options

I completely ignored Peanut in that locked and loaded level in middle ages, haha.

The realease of this video made me so super happy. Your videos are the only ones on youtube that i jump for joy for

Now we need a Jurassic Marsh dinosaur tierlist

I definitely agree that the "don't lose more than x plants" objectives can be really interesting. The main problem is those times when you die to unfair luck. I think the best way to designing levels with this objective is to simply not include any zombies with insta-kill abilities (possible exception for non-mecha gargantuars). Without the nonsense insta-kills taking away your plants with you having little to no way to resist them then it's pretty fun. I'd say that this objective is the one most reliant upon level design. As you mentioned at the end, any objective can be interesting if the level is designed to match it, but some require more work than others and some have a larger range from good to bad. I think that this objective has the largest good/bad range of all of them due to how easy it is to make either an interesting level that blocks instas and plant selling or Big Wave Beach Day 28.

i just kind of like listening to your voice. nice, relaxed and well informed noises are my sleep aid.

I love last stands. Easily my favorite stage type. My opinion of them only lowered when I dedicated my life to shadow plants, and I still like them anyway. I'm not sure why sun bombs and the like don't count for this video(are they mini games?), but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the gimmick obstacle type conditions next.

"Mostly because it's dumb and nobody else would ever think of it" Gold Ninja Vlog Spot:

I would just like to say it's great seeing this community still alive and well. I came back to the series after seeing Garden Warfare on Xbox and trying it out. It brought me back to PvZ 1 and 2 to play again. One more thing however before I leave. More Masterclass style videos like Sun Producers? It helped my gameplay in an extreme way and more like it would be great.

somehow Last stand is my most favorite mode It's close to sandbox mode in my eyes and I enjoy just watching new plant crushing zombie without having to spend time on sun part

What I hate is the combination of objectives. Particularly the sheet Trample the flowers, Mold colonies AND the conveyor belt. The lunar New year piñata is the worst where the winning condition is dependent on the RNG of Plant food and Locations of the Bucket head type Zombies where you can use PF on a Bok choy most effectively.

endangered plants has the highest highs but man it can feel frustrating i didnt really notice the insanely good ways of using it until you pointed them out lol so thanks? edit: also, you should include the mod name of the mod you’re playing in the bg in the corner

Given plants is a really fun concept!

objectives are neat but I still prefer the OG PvZ2 1.0 way of handling them, where they were optional side quests to earn stars. PvZ2 1.0 had a lot of issues but that was honestly pretty neat.

Big wave and dark ages(or anything where zombies can trap plants) can have cheesable endangered plant objectives because you could just have all the endangered plants sheepified or trapped in an octopus, they won’t be eaten too

I never noticed that the flower line flowers have faces

I think manual use plants (coconut cannon, banana launcher, not magnifying grass) could help improve conditions whose goal is “not to play the game” (last stand, don’t spend sun for x seconds, ect), because it gives you something more to do during the waiting period, making it feel like you’re actually playing the game.

12:48 I once lost "More than X plants level" because my stupid ass thought it was a good idea to use Hazelnut Witch. So she ended up creating a bunch of puffshrooms that made me lost because it exceeded the given plant limit

Funnily enough how we feel about endangered plants and last stands are completely opposite. Interesting

15:18 Reflourished devs and players: *nervous sweating*

For the endangered plants, i find it ok but the its shot way down as most levels place them in the first 4 rows and spam instakill zombies and stuff on it, making the objective good, but the levels with it horrible

I absolutely adore the music in these videos! As someone who finds OMORI soundtracks insanely underrated and unknown, I always get excited when I hear em in the vid lol.

TFW you leave a Prospector to die at the end of a Flowers level only for it to not self-destruct and instead trample the flowers and cause a losd

Aight, after watching the video, it's very well crafted as a whole, giving insight on everything that makes pvz 2 unique and well, a natural progression from pvz 1, if these were removed, it wouldn't feel like pvz 2,. Anywho i'm going to say what my favs and least favorite ones from pvz 2 by also describing it just because of boredom, but also being one of the people who played from oldest ver. (will obvs pass the penny's pursuit objectives since i never played em.) Locked and Loaded are honestly a level type i always just look forward to, dunno. they give you that idea of theorize on how you can do things with given plants, giving you a literal key to win em, reminds me a bit of pvz 1's deal with giving you the plant and inmediatedly the zombie you counter, its a natural stepup to me. Mold colonies exist, straight up they don't affect anything big, i just straight up never lost one of these. (the most i can think of rn is big wave beach for that lvl without being able to plant on sand honestly.) Endangered plants are so damn good, sure they can be tricky to manage but god damn i love em, if you ain't cheap about em, ya bloody can make the most outta these, puffshroom is still the highlight due to how it actually incentivises you to use plant food and learn more of puff. Never have more than X plants, the more that i see these, it incentivises me up to just optimize a strat with the surprisingly lenient obj, ive remember the days where it got mixed with various objs, usually with don't spend more than x sun. Last stand, so. this one is a slog. straight up, so, on pvz 1 mobile versions, you had last stand day to roof, it felt more like a loaded and loaded lvl with sun for each wave set complete & last stand name slapped on it, but on pvz 2 it feels so damn long that my brain straight up did the most strats on the funny pirate seas lvl 22, cause for me, the rest of em i didn't just do another strat. Survive without mowers, redundantly pointless on newer versions, these were more prominent on older versions where it was; don't lose any mowers for a single star in tandem of other objs. Produce X sun, very easy if you don't overrush the lvl as a whole, cause in that point it eather is; spam a lot of sun producers or stall the final wave. Flower line, yeah i def used spikeweed for situations where the flowerline was in the middle of the tile. it honestly ain't a bad restriction, oddly enough. they didn't think of mixing mold and flower line, i lowkey expected that at one point during the game, but...no. Defeat X zombies in X secs; I forgot about this one, its just not a lvl type i would lose on. dunno, it just felt like; here's your insta ready to win, always brought cherry bomb for these. Spend less than X sun, yeah i straight up died a few times due to me goofing off and man. lvls aren't hard, they are just always remember that counter above, just bringing 0 sun cost plants break it slightly. Don't lose X plants: These get cheap at some points, not only due to ah yeah, you can lose em quickly, but also; i just straight up abused walls since wallnut kit doesn't make you lose those plants, same with chard guard overplanted on itself. Most plants chosen; ...i mean, locked and loaded 1.5 essentially. Don't spend sun for X secs; Dunno chief, i just straight up didn't play for seconds on the beginning of the game, sure not ideal but hey, its better to redo the lvl on a period that fast forward doesn't exist and you are used to playing with it. Score X points: numbers are a thing that don't hype up for the lvl, the best example is the coconut shooting parrot lvls, but...yeaah these don't do much.

tier lists of things that really shouldn't be in tierlists are my absolutely favorite thing ever

Hey, you have been talking about pvz late game and how it's not a challenge, I would like to hear how would you change that

40 minute video from creeps? brb gotta prepare the popcorn

This guy may not have the best ideas for videos, but a solid S tier ranking voice.

I just had an interesting idea when watching the defeat x zombies part. What if instead of that it was a whole level thing where you had to defeat a zombie every x seconds. That would actually weaken stallers, pretty much the meta of pvz2. You could also use gargs or other strong zombies to make it feel more frantic rather than just weakening stallers, as you'd have to pick off weaker zombies to stall for time to kill the larger threats.

i can quite literally hear the omori brainrot slowly consuming creeps, the ost is becoming more and more common with each video

Lock and loaded it’s horrible in penny pursuit 3 chilly

I disagree with Last Stand, because it really makes you think of what you should use for your defense before the zombies arrive. You don't have to grind out sun in Last Stand levels.

12:43 I mistakenly thought that it was possible to lose the Never Have More Than X Plants objective using Holly Barrier, Spore-shroom, or Witch Hazel. Holly Barrier's leaf barriers count as plants for the objective, but thanks to your remark I learned that the new plants simply don't spawn above the maximum

You should make a video covering objectives on certain mods. I think it would be really interesting.

Had to read that title a few times to understand it

I feel like an all manual locked and last stand could work really well

The biggest reason I hate the "Don't lose more than X plants" level is that I CAN'T SHOVEL, like in many instances I put a cheap attacking plant in the back until I get more sun to plant a melon or something (since I can't rely on instas and most walls take very long times to recharge) but since shoveling counts as losing a plant it in these levels it instantly makes the level unbearable for me

Random thoughts no-one will read: - I had no idea mold colonies could be more interesting than "Hahah you lose the back of your lawn," the modded applications are waaaaay cooler than anything the unmodded game ever does - Collect X Sun would be marginally more interesting if the level instawon when you got the sun, as opposed to actually having to finish the rest of it - Flower Line should have the lawnmowers at the flower line for a one-time save, as opposed to where they do nothing - Destroy X Grid Items would be fun if a) all X were on the map at game start (gravestones?) and b) destroying all of them instawon the level

I think «Produce X Sun» could be wayyy better when A. You made final wave spawn zombie below the lawn like in altverz B. You need to SAVE the sun for the finale of level, this would be perfect objective with this issues!

hell yea! long videos!

i think the flower line would benefit from being designed more like mowers, where you instead get a bonus from protecting them maybe each flower tile is a piece of the ending bonus, and you only immediately lose if all the flowers are trampled, do even only one flower remaining is fine (you're probs not gonna get the bonus for that tho)

Hey, could you make a list of the different PvZ2 mods and what major things they change (preferably without spoiling too much about the levels)? A lot of people, like me, know basically nothing about the modding scene, and would love to know what mods I would be into.

5:11 I think a good way to do it, is by banning plant.

The objective behind ranking objective is hard to object the objective of being objectively funny!

Truly, the greatest video that ranks all objectives

This video is like an essay where you have all of your points explained, but haven’t reached the required word count, so you have to go into extreme detail just to pad out each paragraph. Padded out equally, so that it isn’t obvious.

I'm pretty sure that some of the objectives also had an instant-loss condition in the old times. You could actually plant on the Mold Colonies accidentaly and you could accidentally go over the Never have more than x plants limit as well. Yes, you could just simply put a plant on a mold and straight up lose the level LOL

Nah Last Stand is the most fun objective, period. Don't spend sun is a really clever and challenging one too.

Thing with flower line, if it's in the middle of a tile you can just cheese it with spikes

The RE basement theme really adds to the video

You may not lime them individually, but by combining Last Stand, No Mowers and Don't Lose X Plants you can cover each objective's weaknesses by making short Last Stand levels that can't be cheezed with instas or mowers.

I liked the mold colony level in the ehypt expansion levels where you only had 1 back collum and then 4 rows of mid colonies

15:01 You can beat pirate seas day 22 with only spikeweed.

I feel like the best example of Locked and Loaded is in Frostbite Caves, where you don't get sun producers in your deck, but there are 8 sunflowers on the field with three being on the top and bottom lane which have slider tiles, and the adjacent lanes to them have one. There are Dodo Zombies, so people who try to defend the middle 3 lanes will get their sun producers eaten. Also, THIS IS VANILLA PVZ 2. That's the kind of level design that i love in this game.

This vid made me realize that locked and loaded is a good objective AND can make any other objective fun if done right Like every objective I say "that could be fun with locked and loaded"

I played 2 much pvz china version nowadays where the don't lose plant keep screwing me over and over made me really hate that thing cus their special lvl have mechanic to kill your stuff really easily (and in the special lvl all objective can kill u cus it's stupid even producing sun,usually 8k and other crap and other special conditions as well)

"Nobody else would ever think of it" Me who already searched for this: ...

9:50 i agree even after i left pvz2 for many years i always remembered that level

Nice objective objective tier list

Objective idea: don’t let the zombies touch the ground this would only use flying zombies and in this objective blover is banned

“It’s entirely POINTless and arbitrary” who’s gonna tell him

You completely missed limited seed bank stuff? That’s half the fun of ‘plant chosen’ levels that can really force your hand with more flexibility than L&L levels.

Endangered plants, while fun, most of the time is just hell. It's so annoying whenever the game makes it like a lettuce iceberg or a crocodile, it doesn't give you enough time to react which is just stupid.

The spikeweed not triggering the flower line makes sense because you plant on top of the flowers so when the zombies walk over it they walk over spikeweed instead of the flowers

I gotta say, some b+ tier modifiers can have some levels designed to suck [as in bwb 30] and some f tier modifiers like maybe no lawnmowers can be played properly. It all just comes down to level design [levels like ps22 final stand is likely one of these interesting concepts that makes you try different stuff to see what works and what not]

To make survive with most plants chosen more interesting try to only use the plants you get to select or only use the plants it gives you

35:39 the way the narrator says “NO” made me think that he detests it so much.

I personally enjoy the Last Stand levels, though mostly when I played the Chinese edition of the game. My favorite level to go to whenever I got a new plant just to try it out was a last stand level in Ancient Egypt because of how low consequence it meant to lose and how basic of a world/level it was compared to other worlds/levels since it was, if I remember correctly, just normals, cones, buckets, mummies, and gargs Though I can pretty much agree for the most part on the other objectives

10:20 this quote aged really well with Guarden Rush

Will have to watch this after school, when I do I may or may not edit this to be a massive comment on everything discussed on this video Agree with everything, didn't think 20:21 was a bug though, thought that was intentional because it only applies to levels where endangered flowers is in the middle. Still agree with the rating

Wow dude, ive never knew that spike weed helps you with trample the flowers (wish i knew that like 5 years ago)

Survive for X seconds sounds like you could do something really different, like a unbeatable level where damage is obsolete and you have to do everything you got to stall,

PvZ2: Don't loose 3 plants Me: Ah so I can use 2 Potato mines.

Is it better to plant your attacking plants in the back and sun producers in the front? (Im new to the game)

I thought i was about to cheese the missile toe eclise level but the spikeweed bug doesn't work in eclise :(

I think a good way to fix produce x sun is to use the 6th row zombie to force you to kill all of the final wave's zombies.

My one issue with endangered plants is if it’s a really bad plant (I’m looking at you phat beet) and it’s close to the front then it becomes hellish to defend them

What level and world especially of eclise that has the bad condition? If it's before the first gate, i beat it already.

mold colonies + dont trample the flowers(the flowers are at the very very back.) + prospector zombie + dont plant more than 10 plants + dont lose more than 5 plants + basically every other objective + zomboss in dark ages.