An unrepeatable legal defense

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An unrepeatable legal defense

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Жыл бұрын

Simone Giertz, Cleo Abram and 'Legal Eagle' Devin Stone discuss a question about an unwise way to help your client.
LATERAL is a weekly podcast about interesting questions and even more interesting answers, hosted by Tom Scott. For business enquiries, contestant appearances or question submissions, visit www.lateralcast.com
GUESTS:
Simone Giertz: ‪@simonegiertz‬ / simonegiertz
Cleo Abram: ‪@CleoAbram‬ / cleoabram
Devin Stone: ‪@LegalEagle‬ / legaleagle
HOST: Tom Scott.
QUESTION PRODUCER: David Bodycombe.
EDITED BY: The Podcast Studios, Dublin.
EDITOR: Julie Hassett.
GRAPHICS SYSTEM & DESIGN: Chris Hanel at Support Class.
GRAPHICS ASSISTANCE: Dillon Pentz.
MUSIC: Karl-Ola Kjellholm ('Private Detective'/'Agrumes', courtesy of epidemicsound.com).
FORMAT: Pad 26 Limited/Labyrinth Games Ltd.
EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: David Bodycombe and Tom Scott.
© Pad 26 Limited (www.pad26.com) / Labyrinth Games Ltd. 2023.

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@CleoAbram Жыл бұрын

My favorite wrong answer was Tom's "the lawyer shot the judge! And by some weird loophole in American law...". Thanks for having us, this was such a fun conversation.

@jacobheffington5265 11 ай бұрын

And just how close it was lmao...

@AndyHoward 3 ай бұрын

#notlegaladvice

@PopeGoliath Жыл бұрын

When my dad was a young teen, my grandfather tasked him with sweeping the back porch. Grandfather went on an errand, leaving my dad unsupervised for a couple minutes. My dad got bored and started goofing around, swinging the broom like a baseball bat. On one of the swings, the head of the broom flew off the handle and hit a kitchen window, shattering it. My dad knew he was going to be in trouble, but he did his best to clean up all of the glass. He also cut out a piece of cardboard to cover the hole. When Grandpa came back, he asked what happened. My dad explained, "Well, I was swinging the broom like this..." The head of the boom flew off again, crashing through the other kitchen window. My grandfather looked at the two windows for a moment, then calmly said, "Yeah, I can see how that could happen."

@thepenguin9 Жыл бұрын

I mean he knew full well he walked into that one

@Sn0wjunk1e Жыл бұрын

idk why, but your grandpa gives me big Red Forman vibes

@arshawn Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@eduardopupucon Жыл бұрын

My grandpa had a very similar story related to ww2 about a soldier complaining about short fuzes in the grenades and the officer who does not believe pulls the pin and the grenade explodes in his hand, don't remember the details exactly or if its anedotical tho, he was in the Italian army if anyone knows that.

@urieaaron Жыл бұрын

General Motors 30 or more years ago. A millwright was demonstrating with his remaining good arm to the safety team and higher up supervision as to how he broke his arm in a conveyor. In front of everyone, before anyone could react, he reached into a running conveyor and accidentally tripped the same limit switch he had tripped before and, broke his other arm. A shocking but predictable development.

@TheDuelManiacs Жыл бұрын

The ultimate defense "Your honor, my client couldn't possibly have shot the victim. Because I did it!"

@cat1554 Жыл бұрын

Von Karma, no!

@DatShepTho Жыл бұрын

@@cat1554 LMFAO, YOU SEE EDGEWORTH, IT IS I, VONSHOOTMASELF

@nitehawk86 Жыл бұрын

I enjoy how the panel couldnt reach the correct answer quickly because it was so stupid that it didn't occur to anyone.

@mrroboshadow Жыл бұрын

and they got so freaking close that Devin almost layed out the answer when Simone says the gun went off by itself its so close and yet not quite

@euansmith3699 Жыл бұрын

"The defendant, *after several retrials* was acquitted..." How many lawyers shot themselves in the prosecution of this case?

@InvictusByz Жыл бұрын

I worked with a guy, as a pistol dueling reenactor and educational presenter at a presidential home, whose ancestor was in a duel where nearly the exact thing Simone says at 1:57 happened. His ancestor shot the man, who walked with difficulty and a cane due to arthritis in his knee. He was supposedly shot in the leg, made a full recovery, and supposedly was able to walk better off the dueling field than he walked on to it. Supposedly, he said something along the lines of "You make a fine surgeon, but a damn rough operator!"

@soulbound11 Жыл бұрын

bonus fact. Apparently, not long after, someone else was telling this story and demonstrating how the lawyer had shot himself. Yes, they successfully shot themselves as well.

@davidshi451 Жыл бұрын

omg you're kidding me

@zzzzzzzzz7494 Жыл бұрын

Looks like a curse or something.

@alphazero924 Жыл бұрын

This is starting to feel a lot like TomSka's "What Happened"

@alveolate Жыл бұрын

in america, the saying isn't shooting oneself in the foot, it is shooting oneself in the stomach.

@joaomrtins Жыл бұрын

Didn't any of them come to the conclusion it would be enough to use an unloaded gun, or load only the propellent?

@martinedelius Жыл бұрын

There's nothing more frustrating than knowing the answer to a question and watching others not picking up on what seems to be the most obvious of clues - full well knowing that I'd be as clueless if I hadn't know the answer beforehand. :)

@tamhuy10 Жыл бұрын

i knew the answer bc i watched the legaleagle video about it

@leonmayne797 Жыл бұрын

@@tamhuy10 Me too.

@boaz6346 Жыл бұрын

@@tamhuy10 like halfway in I realised I knew the story from his video

@BertGrink 10 ай бұрын

@@leonmayne797 Me three

@DementiaAcerbus 10 ай бұрын

Tom got so close it seemed that one time though

@ConnorNolanTech Жыл бұрын

As soon as he said "The defense argued that the victim shot himself" I remembered the exact case this was

@skye2281 Жыл бұрын

That lawyer went above and beyond for his client!

@jannepeltonen2036 Жыл бұрын

Quite literally :D

@Demonrifts Жыл бұрын

And then 6 feet below.

@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa Жыл бұрын

Simone Giertz and LegalEagle is a goddamn dreamteam level combo

@nacoran Жыл бұрын

After this I kind of want to see Simone build a robot that can shoot itself.

@ericssmith2014 Жыл бұрын

@@nacoran “Shooty Robots”

@Zraknul Жыл бұрын

I think Simone is too smart to try this one.

@ellencameron3775 Жыл бұрын

Yes, please. Devin telling us about weird cases and Simone making replicas to test out the facts of the cases!

@petertorvik8413 Жыл бұрын

I agree, I saw the thumbnail and thought "that looks like Simone and Legal Eagle what is going on?" Most awesome crossover ever!

@jakejones8854 Жыл бұрын

This was on QI at some point so I recognised it immediately. If I'd had to guess I would have thought Tom knew this one. It seems like one he'd have come across.

@franzfanz Жыл бұрын

This was on Legal Eagle at one point so I recognised it immediately.

@roweproductions9424 Жыл бұрын

@@franzfanz Yer I think that’s where I remember it from 👍🏻

@Zraknul Жыл бұрын

@@franzfanz The Algorithm says you're correct, because this is their top suggestion for my next video.

@aceman0000099 Жыл бұрын

He probably did vaguely remember it like he said

@ferretyluv Жыл бұрын

Tom Scott had never heard of the Hagia Sofia before the Technical Difficulties told him about it, so I’m not surprised he hadn’t heard about it.

@pandacron Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that Devin got in his suit and set for this episode, especially since it meant having to sit in his usual video monologuing posture for the entire of the recording, since I presume they don't plan which question gets turned into a video. (I still find this audio-then-video-clips format super weird but I guess it probably keeps production cost down so whatever)

@TrueHolarctic Жыл бұрын

Nahh Devin sleeps like that. Its his resting position

@tamhuy10 Жыл бұрын

@@TrueHolarctic he even bathes like that

@vesper7750 Жыл бұрын

@@tamhuy10😂

@EmilyGamerGirl Жыл бұрын

As soon as he mentioned demonstration in the court I remembered hearing this story... quite a defense

@PrograError Жыл бұрын

it's quite fool's proof... lateral-ly

@Respectable_Username Жыл бұрын

As somebody who remembers the correct answer from a previous Legal Eagle video, oh boy this was fun to watch them piece it together 😂

@Windrider6 Жыл бұрын

According to Wikipedia, the incident did not happen in court, but in a hotel room while the lawyer and his colleagues were testing the theory.

@CPFitzgerald Жыл бұрын

Devin did say there are mixed accounts about where precisely the demonstration happened

@renerpho Жыл бұрын

@@CPFitzgerald Yes, this story was told so many times that it's hard to know what happened exactly. They do agree about the main details though.

@C0maT0ast Жыл бұрын

That's a dedicated lawyer, willing to take one for his client

@ps1hagridoufofcharacter Жыл бұрын

i like that the captions are color-coded for different people

@lastnamefirstname8655 Жыл бұрын

legal eagle did a video on this, and i watched it! glad i still remembered that story, yeah, quite the unique defense that worked.

@JoshWebb Жыл бұрын

It would sure be nice if we could watch a video of this whole episode

@macdjord Жыл бұрын

My own guess on hearing the question: the 'known tough guy' victim was a _circus_ tough guy, the kind who would take a punch to the stomach without injury as part of their act. The defendant asked if he could deflect a bullet, the victim said he could, and the defendant shot him with permission. The defendant got off because both he and the victim sincerely thought the act was safe, and the defense it would 'only work once' because it was now public record that it wouldn't work.

@bluffmasterhara Жыл бұрын

The operation was successful but the doctor died😂

@bdubbsmark 11 ай бұрын

'Your honor, I'll prove my case if it costs me my life!'

@jakebowler9763 Жыл бұрын

I've seen Devin tell this story on his channel before so knew what it was immediately. It was frustrating yet hilarious hearing them guess every other possible combination of people getting shot before finally getting there.

@christophercaldwell6888 Жыл бұрын

This is *VERY* close to a game that was popular in the early part of the 20th century, that we usually called "Conundrums". In THAT game, the answerer can only answer "yes", "no, "unanaswerable" or "irrelevant." Perhaps you are using this as a guide. I think you are VERY wise to keep this a reasonable length video by be more forgiving with your answers. The sad thing is that I knew the answer - mostly because I had seen you cover this incident in one of your other videos. I loved "Conundrums". I only wish that I hadn't known the answer, as I wanted to be guessing along with your guests! Great fun!

@telotawa Жыл бұрын

thank you, tom scott, for captioning all of your videos, you are a hero for this

@djalland1 Жыл бұрын

When you hear a question like that and, like me, think "Surely everyone knows this story!" you know you need to reassess parts of your life.

@alexrowaan7326 Жыл бұрын

Feels like there was no chance for them to figure this out just from the initial prompt - it took a lot of handholding. But still an interesting story!

@spikehammer3112 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, most of the questions on the show are like that. It's sorta the whole premise. Then look at something like the recent question "why does this reality TV show use opaque cups?" where a contestant guesses the answer immediately and you can see how boring that makes the segment.

@barryhomeowner9293 Жыл бұрын

@@spikehammer3112 i think there's a middle ground on the best questions of the show, takes a while to get there but they can do so purely on lateral thinking alone

@potatosordfighter666 Жыл бұрын

I figured it out but only because I had heard the story before. That said I never knew the names of them, so that was no clue for me.

@jannepeltonen2036 Жыл бұрын

So I was one of the leaders in this nature camp, and a boy came to me with a cut in his hand. Stupidly enough, I asked how did this happen, and before I could stop him, he demonstrated. Luckily, the two cuts were really small and healed easily...

@DevilboyScooby Жыл бұрын

I like to think that where Tom wears red shirts all the time, Devin sits fully suited in front of a green screen even when he's not being filmed.

@edgarleft 2 ай бұрын

It isn't a greenscreen. The lamp is green.

@swordfish1929 Жыл бұрын

Devin made a video about this

@HistorysRaven Жыл бұрын

As soon as I heard the names of the lawyer and the defendant I shouted, "I know this one!" Fortunately, because I work alone, I didn't startle anyone.

@jordansean18 Жыл бұрын

I was so worried that this was just going to be a terrible question... But this was absolutely worth it 😅

@elbruces Жыл бұрын

Devin confusing the hell out of Tom and friends is all the KZfaqr intersection joy I needed today, thank you.

@FiXato 9 ай бұрын

The lawyer was gutted he couldn't see his client acquitted. He could stomach it no longer to see his client accused.

@Omni315 Жыл бұрын

Had to watch this just to see what Devin watches when not on his show... exactly the same !

@PokerPlayerJames Жыл бұрын

Only reason I knew this is because Devin did a vid on it 🤣

@balaenopteramusculus Жыл бұрын

Same here, haha

@MarylandFarmer. Жыл бұрын

Yep, I remember it immediately too

@realtylerdb Жыл бұрын

Got this one almost instantly! It was on Horrible Histories a while ago, and has always stuck with me for some reason

@kiplittle Жыл бұрын

Can I just say how lovely it is to discover my favorite yet disparate KZfaq creators all in the same place and all playing so nicely with each other!

@thebigfatboo 11 ай бұрын

Watching this is like watching your fav superheroes from different cartoons mash up in a special episode 🎉

@RichardWinskill Жыл бұрын

These people don't watch enough LegalEagle ;) I got this one because I remembered Devin talking about it

@N05K177 Жыл бұрын

Omg Simone is here !! So happy to see her here :)

@franzsapka 11 ай бұрын

Lovely team.

@censusgary Жыл бұрын

Simone! Fancy meeting you here!

@hwkeyser Жыл бұрын

This panel is just amazing!

@louisnorred8530 4 ай бұрын

"You went like this! You went like this!" reminds me of 3rd grade lmao

@KevinBingham Жыл бұрын

On the bright side, the defendant didn't have to pay the lawyer. DOH!

@marcusdire8057 Жыл бұрын

Legal Eagle and Simone!? Yes please!

@trapjohnson Жыл бұрын

Less than two weeks later, the Rust:Baldwin/Gutierrez-Reed shooting is back in the news.

@MrKockabilly Жыл бұрын

I want a lawyer that would give his life for a client.

@DHxJarsyl Жыл бұрын

thats a hell of a lawyer.

@fumui_ 2 ай бұрын

wait wasn't this one of the articles that got pulled on "Citation Needed"? or maybe "only 2 peoples are lying"? it was one of the Tech diff episode on Matt & Tom channel

@tonyk421 Жыл бұрын

My dad told me this story when I was a kid.

@gabrieltenorio Жыл бұрын

You literally got my three crushes on a podcast bless

@mysteriousjess. Жыл бұрын

Well I saw Simone and LegalEagle on the thumbnail, was confused as to why two very different creators I’m subbed to are in the same video and clicked on it ❤😂

@jespoketheepic Жыл бұрын

This is such a memorable story, i knew the answer from the video title + thumbnail alone.

@paulstransportandmore Жыл бұрын

I am always a huge fan of Lateral! Keep up the good work!

@calebu2 Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that type of legal service isnt billed at the standard rate.

@thepetermullins Жыл бұрын

My KZfaq Venn Diagrams crossing again! Tom, how could you confuse my brain like this, I couldn't work out for the first 5 seconds whose channel I was on!!

@nerdjournal Жыл бұрын

Well that lawyer went above and beyond... Sheesh.

@10thdoctor15 Жыл бұрын

I got this straightaway. It was told on Qi's episode about irony. Might be where Scott had memories of it.

@dcplunkett Жыл бұрын

I wonder whether the demonstration that Tom was remembering one of the scenes from the 2007 movie "Shooter."

@hand587 Жыл бұрын

I was sure this was going to be a case of a stage prop gone wrong. Turned out to be even wilder!

@Nathanael_Forlorn Жыл бұрын

Hey Christaldi. I always liked it, when you popped up in a wyrmlyfe. Thanks for being awesome and safe travels, to wherever the currents may drift you to.

@BertGrink 10 ай бұрын

I knew this story even before Devin presented the question.

@madgodloki Жыл бұрын

Famous last words. : "told you so"

@Hrafnskald Жыл бұрын

Legal Eagle plays Tom Scott to Tom's Tech Difficulties, good one :)

@TheMKUProject Жыл бұрын

All I could think of was an old Three Stooges bit where they were called as witnesses to a shooting. The gun in question had a sticky trigger and the defense's case rested on the fact that the defendant did not have strong enough fingers to pull the trigger. To prove this, he gives Curly the gun, and Curly spends the next few minutes struggling to pull the trigger himself and winds up shooting the wig off the Judge's head.

@rogink Жыл бұрын

Very noble and chivalrous of the lawyer to 'take one' for his client! Almost as noble as Sidney Carton, who gave the ultimate sacrifice for his client, Darnay. "It is a far, far better thing I have done ..."

@ferretyluv Жыл бұрын

I knew of this story beforehand so I knew the answer already.

@garybarnes4169 Жыл бұрын

"Very unique." - Gah!

@calebdeming5515 Жыл бұрын

Used to play a board game called crack the case. It was like this and it would be amazing if you started playing that with people omg I need this in my life.

@lepannean4231 Жыл бұрын

that's some incredible dedication to the job lol

@LucenProject Жыл бұрын

I didn't know this show exists, but I follow everyone here.

@jeffbenton6183 Жыл бұрын

Watching this with spoilers is utterly hilarious

@DanielDugovic Жыл бұрын

"There are differing accounts about whether this happened in the courtroom... Someone got shot in the courtroom."

@GimpyChinaman Жыл бұрын

I desperately wish to visit Tom's recording studio with some wire ties. Love this podcast, though.

@daniel-panek Жыл бұрын

I recognize it from a LegalEagle video!

@Amanda-C. 11 ай бұрын

Aw, dang, I wish it was live-chat. I guessed the first one would be the one where the lawyer accidentally shot himself. But I can't actually make that guess real-time.

@puxtbuck6731 7 ай бұрын

The “well known tough guy” part really threw me off. I thought that they were arguing that the victim had claimed he could be shot and would be fine but even though that’s incredibly stupid to argue in court I can’t imagine it’s been used only once

@ozelhassan8576 Жыл бұрын

Horrible histories did a piece on this, horrible histories was a series of books but then become a long standing children’s tv series and films in the uk. I loved the series, big fan.

@mrN3w7 Жыл бұрын

Now that's a lawyer I'd gladly pay him with the moon and sun lol 😆

@rachmadsuhartono Жыл бұрын

The strongest defense a lawyer can do

@sykeassai Жыл бұрын

What the hell did I just stumble across with both Tom Scott and LegalEagle?

@lucyinchat Жыл бұрын

Tom's podcast.

@airex12 Жыл бұрын

“The lawyer sadly perished a few days later” 🎶 DA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NAAAAA 🎶🎵

@deltaangelfire Жыл бұрын

I thought for sure the defendant was going to be one of those strongman circus types that gets shot in the stomach with a cannon

@asuraou6763 10 ай бұрын

All my favorite youtuber in one screen 🤯🤯🤯

@addicted2caffeine Жыл бұрын

Oh I love a good Collab with my favourite KZfaqrs

@mason11198 Жыл бұрын

Better call Clement!

@GuanoLad Жыл бұрын

Wow, Devin has some top quality lighting.

@MagicHasArrived Жыл бұрын

10/10 cast!!

@jeffbenton6183 Жыл бұрын

Devin Stone, Esq. : No one will ever try this defense again. Me, wearing a bullet-resistant vest: Hold my beer. (Just kidding, that's way too dangerous to try, even with proper PPE)

@Fayanora 11 ай бұрын

Oh yeah I remember this one. Guy says the victim was the victim of the gun going off accidentally and killing him. The lawyer demonstrates this by loading the gun and pulling the trigger, and the gun kills the lawyer doing the demonstration, proving his point.

@redpandamaniacal Жыл бұрын

I was wondering where I'd heard about this already. Seems from the comments that it was in a Legal Eagle video a bit ago, so probably from there then.