Ana is right. Having national health care would be a game changer and benefit almost everyone in this country. I make between $24,000 and $26,000 a year and my deductible in the marketplace is $8,000 before they even begin to kick in for a minimum amount of coverage. Basically, it is worthless.

I went from middle class fairly comfortable financially to homeless and now poor working 3 jobs just to keep my home .. all because of illness It breaks my heart that my kids have suffered because staying alive meant loosing all financial stability. Our healthcare system a nightmare

Having a civil debate between the right and the left is something I am always craving. Thank you both!

As a Belgian i went to the doctor once for 30 minutes. She did a blood test and conversation. Had 50 Euro ready to pay. The doctor said it was 5 Euro. I was like: "Are you sure?" (The money out of my pocket. The rest she gets from the health insurance). Nobody here has fear to get bankrupt when visiting a doctor or hospital. This is how it should be.

Ana absolutely kicks ass in this debate, she’s so articulate and her points are so well thought out and she doesn’t allow him to gaslight her or monopolise the conversation. Go Ana!!

Damn, Ben can argue a lot without saying anything.

I was actually impressed that, no matter which side you agreed with here, it was nice to see not a TON of yelling and screaming all over each other.

Thank you for having a debate and not a screaming match 🙏🏾

My mother got a hip replacement. Cost $0.00 She got a kidney transplant. Cost $0.00 My father got a pacemaker. Cost $0.00 They are retired and not rich. I love our health care system here in Canada.

I've been living in Europe for 20 years. We have both private and public healthcare in Italy. It's much better in my opinion for the general welfare of the enitre population. There are no medical bankruptcies. I'm tired of seeing the Gofundme pages for my fellow Americans, it's ridiculous.

Life expectancy IS attributable to health care system which focuses ON PREVENTION. What Ben says is just wrong.

I’m so proud of Ben making it through 8 minutes of discussing healthcare and not mentioning once, his wife is a doctor. That’s real growth

So refreshing to see a conversation without insulting each other!

My father had 2 times cancer in last 25 years. In a small country Slovenian, that is on the border of Europe union he payed zero anything above his normal healthcare that he has. I presume if we would live in USA, we would be bancrupt

That’s the most rational and level headed discussion on this topic I might have ever heard! Great job Ana and Ben!!

More of this content please. Civilized and substantive conversations across the ideological spectrum.

The Healthcare in this country is a disgrace. I'm a living example of that. I'm disabled. Have been since birth. I'm on disability and I have Medicare. Two weeks ago I woke up in agony from TMJ pain. So bad I ended up in the ER. 800$ for less than 10 minutes with a nurse. I also have no dental coverage so I've been popping over the counter pain meds like candy because I can't afford a dentist right now. Its a miserable way to live. I do my best to take care of myself but I can't get the help I need because of money. It's cruel.

Talking to a right-winger about solutions, is like talking to a child, who will NEVER grow up!

I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't intensely dislike Ben Shapiro, but to hear him and Ana have a debate/discussion and agree on premises is nice.

Shapiro doesn't seem to know a lot about European care systems nor about the wide diversity of European countries.

I’m actually going to give Shabibo props for bringing on Ana Kasparian. She’s so articulate and intelligent, my inner optimist likes to think that she at least got through to some of his audience.

I'm Canadian I love that my tax dollars go to pay for someone else's Health Care. Do I like it when they're a smoker and it's their fault or when it's something self-induced know but you know what for those people I deal with it because so many other people are legitimately in need of healthcare that I can help provide. Fact that the u.s. is one of the largest economies in the world and doesn't think that neighbours Healthcare is important is disgusting

...that Ana can even look Ben in the eye and attempt to converse about this, shows incredible integrity... keep up the good work!

Healthcare shouldn’t be on the stock market.

The US government spent tens of trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that money could have funded healthcare for everyone in the country virtually forever.

One thing that has a big effect on health is walking. When Americans move abroad they are often surprised by how much people walk on a daily basis. Make the pedestrian environment more pleasant and appealing.

Going back to Anna's earlier point. Higher focus on preventative care would mean less people needing care for serious illness which would probably mean greater standard of care for those cases being more common.

These conversations across the isle are so freaking important, and im so proud of both of you guys being able to talk like this

I'm in Canada and had a quadruple bypass surgery. It was not totally free because I had to pay $24 for the rental of a TV.

I’ve stayed at my job for 25 years due to health care! I definitely would have moved if that was not an issue.

This was good to see, two sides sitting down and actually having a civilized discussion as opposed to just yelling at each other with personal attacks.

We need waaaaaaay more conversations like this

I love how Ben proves Ana's point for her. He said Healthcare in Vermont would be better than that in Alabama. So a Blue state's Healthcare is better than that of a deeply red state?.... ya don't say...

We need more conversations like this.

He tells her not to compare America to Cuba or Scandavia, then immediately does it himself with eating.

I think Ana did a great job in this interview. And to be fair, Ben seemed reasonable too. I think they both knew they needed to be amicable to each other’s opinions and ideas. America needs more of these civil across-the-aisle conversations.

I'll tell you one thing that *does not* work- private health insurance.

I love this conversation between 2 very different parties and viewpoints. Glad they have this meetings. Keep having them. We truly need this level of understanding.

Shapiro says you can't compare 'apples with oranges' talking about Cuba and America. He then compares Israel with America.

Hi from Canada. The unnoticed big benefit of a single payer system is that you don't blow your life savings at the end of your life or your parents, so capital grows. I think culture , a degree of economic freedom and available capital are the biggest factors in having a healthy economy.

People in other developed nations may have criticisms about healthcare in their respective countries...but in my travels I have not met a single one who would trade it for America's healthcare system. We are a goddamn cautionary tale.

I actually enjoyed this video. Even though they disagree they don't name call each other. Wow adults in a room...what a breath of fresh air.

As a nurse and a patient, we desperately need Universal Healthcare. Get the insurance lobbyists out of the way so we can save lives.

Ana holds her own with anyone Right, Center, or Left. To have watched her evolution over the years has been a joy.

Great conversation, no interruptions or talking over each other. This is how different ideas should be discussed

We've done the experiment with private health insurance and it failed. The people who needed healthcare most were most likely to be denied coverage. IF you could get coverage, they would try not to pay your claims. IF your claim was substantial they would drop your coverage.

As a republican watching this, I must say Ana really holds her own well.

Not one Canadian has lost their homes or gone in debt because they went to the hospital.

Ben saying "community-based" healthcare is better because you "know your neighbor" is absolutely preposterous. So in his scenario, communities could choose to NOT care for those it didn't want to? It's not a policy solution, its a naive wish-based solution.

Ana is factual correct, how is this even a debate. Anybody that actually does the research and aren’t delusional would see this.

Ben Shapiro uses a lot of words to say nothing at all.

America. You can get a gun easier than healthcare.

Elder care is the largest economic issue facing this country

This type of conversation should be it's own KZfaq channel. This is how we become united again.

I'm a conservative and I watched the full video on Ben Shapiro's podcast but wanted to comment here on how much I respected Ana in joining Ben Shapiro on his show. Great conversation and got to hear another perspective. This is what we need. thank you

Ben, I'm writing this from a hospital bed(cardiology) in Canada & we don't want anything to do with a privatized healthcare system like the US, I'd like to see more money put into the system & will be campaigning against the Conservtive government in our province in the spring election...

This is a really nice back and forth between two educated people, nice W for 2023

Ana did a great job remaining logical, calm, and clear. Brava, Ana!

Ben, a mathematical fact, the bigger your pool, the lesser risk you carry. So, if Sweden can have single payer, we for sure can.

This is what the country has been sorely missing most, both sides having an intelligent rational conversation. Not hurling insults, not making sound bites for Fox or CNN, not trying to own the other side. Just a conversation.

Wow. This is what we need more of. TYT and Shapiro’s show are almost always inflammatory. But having two differing opinions sit down in a room for civil discussion is proof of what we can be. This is how you open up dialogue. Not screaming obscenities or making straw-man arguments.

It amazes me that America hasn’t got a NHS like system. We over here have private yes but the NHS takes care of the MANY that can’t afford it. It takes a huge amount of weight off the shoulders to those who are suffering with health issues. Wake up America and smell the coffee. Sorry for pun!

In Australia, we have a mix of Public and Private healthcare. We have a population of about 27 million and this is affordable. I don't understand how an immensely wealthy nation like the US (orders of magnitude richer than us) cannot afford universal healthcare.

PLEASE, give me more of this! This is a rational debate on policy which is what this country needs.

Wonderful segment... WONDERFUL! Both sides, sitting down and conversing about issues like educated adults. I'm so sick of mainstream media feeding into the political tribalism in this country. We don't have to agree.... We shouldn't agree on everything. But we can and should find common ground for the greater good.

We have about 45 countries with government paid health care for all. If they can do it then there's no reason America can't do it

Universal healthcare is a basic human right. Any society without it demonstrates only that money is more important than people. No one should die of poverty.

This is a great example of a healthy, respectful debate. Cudos!

Look at that. A mature conversation between differing parties. It can happen people.

Canada here. This breaks my heart to see how my fellow American's healthcare are treated as a commodity that is bought and sold. Our single payer system works and costs half as much as Americans pay in premiums, deductibles and co-payments. It's not perfect and we also have some issues with it but at least I will never have to worry about remortgaging my house when myself or someone in my household gets seriously ill and denied health coverage.

I'm Canadian and have a disabled son. I am in parent groups which consist of mainly Americans. The things they go through to get treatment or therapy is horrifying to me. The financial cost is astounding. Having to move to a different state to access or afford healthcare within the same country is crazy. I have never paid an extra cent to care for my son. I also have access to private-public subsidized resources, so there are many choices and options available to us. Do I think my healthcare system is perfect and without corruption, waste and inefficiency? No. But I also work in the private sector and KNOW that it would be way worse as a fully privatized institution.

Good discussion guys. Much better than people yelling at each other. Appreciate this.

Number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA is health care costs. It’s repugnant. What else needs to be said? We expect everyone to take their hat off and swear allegiance at the ball game to a country that says “you’re on your own” if you get sick. Imagine treating your family that way! You wouldn’t.

Why Americans let their government spend trillions on weapons but not on their health, is absolutely nuts...

I am from the UK 🇬🇧 and I am grateful for our health care system.

Finally, people on opposite sides of the fence communicate and debate in a respectful way.

This goes to show how effective it is to get people face to face to talk over these issues. They have so much common ground. When we are separate and interacting on the net, everything becomes driven by the culture war. It’s just incredibly unproductive.

As someone who lived in both the U.S and Canada for 20yrs each, I much prefer Canadian healthcare. It is by no means perfect and it can vary depending on the province but getting sick in Canada will never bankrupt you unlike in the U.S especially pre "Obamacare", even if you were upper middle class like I was. I got very sick while in the U.S, I had never missed an insurance payment and the insurance company said "SOL, You had a pre-existing condition". I had to write a 5 figure check. When I got sick in Canada, I got prompt world class healthcare and didn't I have to write any checks. My taxes are 5% effectively higher.

An actual liberal and an an actual conservative having an actual conversation without blowing smoke or rudely talking over each other with lame talking points and in the year 2023?! Think I just had a lil tiny,itty, bitty piece of my faith in humanity restored😌

Untreated mental illnesses on our streets? How about in the hallways of Washington, D.C.?

Hi, As a Canadian, I am telling you that the single-payer system is the solution to your issues. When he says I know the people in my community, so, I am willing to care about them and buy insurance based on that, that is total BS. First, no one knows ALL the people in their community, no matter how many people are there in that community. Second, he says I need to find out how people in other communities would engage with the system he is paying for. Well, how would anyone engage with the system? Do you go to the hospital to hang out with the nurses? NO! You go because you are sick. And when you are sick, you should NOT be denied entry to the hospital because you don't have money or employment. You are a citizen of this country. Hence you deserve medical care. Period. No matter your social or economic status. I have enough money to pay for my medical bills, but I would NEVER want to see the people of my country go without care because they cannot afford it. You know what? Imagine this scenario with me. A poor man with no job and his daughter gets sick and needs expensive surgery; he doesn't have the money for it. He either begs for the money or steals it from a wealthy individual, right? And with GUNS so easily accessible in the US, he buys a gun with the $50 he has left and goes to a rich house to steal it. The owner of the house gets up, gets shot and dies. Polic comes arrest the guy, and he is sent to prison for life. His daughter doesn't get the surgery and dies as well. This is not a weird or uncommon story, by the way, it happened in Philadelphia just a couple of years ago. So a single-payer health system, where the whole country puts their risk in one pool where everyone pays for everyone, is the best way to go. Believe me, it works here in Canada, and there is nowhere in the world that is comparable to the US as Canada since you don't want to compare yourself to Cuba.

Big fallacy. Health insurance is NOT healthcare. In the USA, we've been duped into equating the these things.

The ONLY reason that I watched this video is because Ben Shapiro and Ana Kasparian actually sat down together - face to face - to discuss the single payer healthcare system. THIS is how we as a nation can take care of the problems which we currently face as a nation full of diverse opinions. TALK ABOUT IT.

Ben says don't compare apples to oranges but then uses Israel as an example. While I appreciate conversations between two different views, he just talks circles

I am an American, living in Norway, and I pay $35 max for doctors visit and basic care at the emergency room, as opposed to paying hundreds of dollars at a doctor in the States or paying a thousand to several thousand dollars at the emergency room in the States. As for college or university, it is completely free in the Nordic countries. Yet people wants to bash that system, while supporting the for profit insurance that United States has. The United States NEEDS the policies that the Nordic countries has.

I miss this version of the world where we could actually talk to one another

Oh, God, his voice. I just can't.

The number one problem with the health-care system in America is this insane belief that being healthy is a privilege and not a human right. What good does it do for our health-care system to make advances in medicine if the average citizen is unable to AFFORD it ( as opposed to simply being unable to access it)? A community built solely on consumption is destined to fail, and it will fail miserably, sick, weak, and blindly being lead to it's doom by the very people who benefit the most from it's struggle to just get by.

What a great debate. Can we have this more than presidential debates? Like Presidential debates by proxy?

NO!!!!!!!! We dont go to the states to get treated! Here in Canada, we have world class doctor! This is a lie that the best doctor are in the States!

Canadian here. Had an appointment booked for next Aug, bi yearly thing....got an appointment card in the mail asking me to come in 8 months early. Thought that was strange, but went in. Nothing unusual going on. I asked about a weird pain I've been having. Was immediately called the next day to book an appointment for an ultrasound. Had the ultrasound two weeks later,got the results three days after that. Cost me three bucks for parking and whatever gas cost a month ago.

To Americans who doesn't support universal healthcare: Go to any other Western nation, and ask the citizens if they would prefer their healthcare system, or the American healthcare system. Bet you can't find even one person who states they prefer the American system.

Ana Kasparian can hold her own against anybody in a debate!

“America should stop eating so much” that is part of preventative care. We need to offer fresh foods and not proceeds foods to people especially those in poverty because they will eat junk food bc it’s cheaper. It goes back to investing more in people with our taxes.

damn ben is almost there! he recognizes the system is bad but his ideas would make it worse

I like how these two can have an intelligent conversation or debate and be respectful of each other. Neither is talking over the other or interrupting.

He said lower the retirement age (which we should), but he actually meant raise the retirement age and force people to work way into their 70's... 🤦‍♀️

"Tell people to eat less". How about forcing the industrial food complex to not fill the shelves with terribly poor quality, over processed, high fructose corn syrup filled food?

Employers don’t “pay” for our healthcare! WE take less in wages, and retirement ( at least in Union jobs), so we can have healthcare!

Just had full NHS hip replacement in the UK... cost £3.50 for car parking. Could have gone private for £13000 but there was no need. Private room, top surgeon and awesome care. This would be around $40000 in the US....