Analog Four vs Perfourmer : Which one is for you?
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Күн бұрынAnalog Four vs Perfourmer : which one is for you? In this video I will share my ideas on this two amazing instruments. Rather than do a pointless sound comparison , I will put more effort on the different uses these machines, which share the same voice architecture, can have.
My goal is to give you all the possible tools to understand which one suits you best.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
04:12 Similarities between A4 and Perfourmer
07:36 How to support me
08:35 How they differ from each other
12:10 how i mapped A4 to be similar to Perfourmer
13:40 Some sounds
18:30 The different uses of the machines
23:00 Some sounds
28:48 What I like and like less
41:22 Outro impro jam
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@deanpiacentini8668 2 күн бұрын
Great informative comparison, thank you.
@DocTaTech Ай бұрын
I love all about this comparison /review. Thank you!
@OoraMusic Ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@pablo-939 Жыл бұрын
Great video, don't forget you can patch the Analog Four CV outputs to the Analog Four CV inputs and save different configurations per pattern.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
omg , obviously, but I didn't think about it :d
@CiabaMusic Жыл бұрын
"I don't know the technicalities, I just use them" could be the best sentence ever pronounced in the whole synth-related-world
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
ahahah spero ci facciano una maglietta lol
@CiabaMusic Жыл бұрын
@@OoraMusic challenge accepted
@cortical1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thoughtful video, buddy. Greetings from California.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
thanks for watching
@ftlaud911 Жыл бұрын
A4 is a great box. The 4 track limit makes you work for it. You can surprisingly go deep. I like mine and always get surprised with the final outcome. Nice review / comparison. The per Four mer sounded better. Personally love the Elektron sequencer.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
thanks!!
@nth7485 11 ай бұрын
Yes, though it would have been soo nice if it was 6 tracks/voices rather than 4.
@toslinked Жыл бұрын
recently sold the A4. I must say I am happy to have this clunky menu diving out of the house.
@cleonx Жыл бұрын
it seems you never used the perform buttons . avoids all menu diving
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
it needs a little of setup but once done you are good to go
@cleonx Жыл бұрын
A4 is a monster, now that i have the syntakt the thing that we need ASAP to make it even better are the green / purple mutes to mute across al patterns or per pattern and the ctrl all functionality
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
agreed
@ryanhursh6322 Жыл бұрын
Perfourmer craps all over the A4 sound-wise to my ears but I just can’t get by without patch memory. I’ve owned the A4 twice and used it a lot but it was always too buzzy sounding, I could never make it warm and inviting. I will not own it a third time 😅 One day I’ll pull the trigger on the Perfourmer… I just need one. Not sure I’ll be productive with it but let’s see!
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
its about fine tuning it !
@ConsoleGlow Жыл бұрын
Love this!
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@mutantmanfred Жыл бұрын
For me A4 😊 But I would also like to have a Perfourmer. Both are amazing synth. Cheers!
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
:)
@aceboo7541 Жыл бұрын
The both !!! But my Vermona remains ahead of my analog4
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
ahah yep!
@Goldlion973 10 ай бұрын
Ok, so this has me torn .lol. Think what I would maybe consider is creating a Cnc cut template of the P4 deck to then draw the indicating knob positions onto said cut out. This being in such a way that I can apply a template layer and remake it as a preset when required . maybe .lol.
@maarzt Жыл бұрын
bravo, really, bravo. I got em both and I thank you for that. and the the shik lol. guess that leaves the Otto thingamajig.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
:) sorry for your wallet!!
@creativechaoscom Жыл бұрын
Super simple question to answer: BOTH!
@pedrogomis 4 ай бұрын
the best choice, in fact Oora uses Pefourmer live :)
@user-ij8ef2ck4u Жыл бұрын
When you created a "perfourmer matching" patch for A4, how did you set up your envelopes? Did you mapped attack/decay for Amp or Filter? Or did you mapped both? One of the things a hate with A4 is that you can't have the same envelope for filter and amp. So frustrating, making things too complicated.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
I mapped attack and decay, filter 1 cutoff , filter 1 envelope and slide.
@fergusfurlong 7 ай бұрын
hello wonderful comparison - the spontaneous jam at the end demonstrates your mastery!! one question Shik v Analog Heat +FX - I agree more knobs other than the 5 would be wonderful, but if you had to pick either the Shik or the Analog Heat + Fx, and I understand they are different - for "performance" which would it be?
@OoraMusic 7 ай бұрын
hello! the Shik is just a controller so not sure how to compare the two products. if you mean using them with one of the two machine here presented... maybe the heat fx!
@fergusfurlong 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Tptkk 4 ай бұрын
Both are awesome in their own way. It really depends on your personal needs and preferences. I love the sequencing capabilities on the A4 and thus would choose the A4 but soundwise the Vermona sounds a little better.
@OoraMusic 4 ай бұрын
agreed!
@stanislavdumstorf724 Жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly I think those Faderfox boxes actually came with cc/ midimapping’s for the original a4 mk1 stock
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
yes!
@baconbigbeats 8 ай бұрын
Hey bro, out of all your synths what’s your fav under $2500?
@quantum_ocean 5 ай бұрын
can you list up the geat used to hold your overhead camera phone?
@borissh9932 9 ай бұрын
Analog 4 is awesome !
@KiR_3d 9 ай бұрын
Yesterday I was returning back home by the train. I've had A4 mk2 with me. And that time, about four hours did run away very fast )) This machine is a good time killer. I have a pretty big backpack and A4 was feeling like a thick notebook in it: not big at all. One of the greatest features that I like in A4 is that it backs up your process in a case of a sudden electricity shutdown! We've had a stop where the train was switching from the diesel to the electric power. After arriving to that station the power supply did stopped without any warnings (it's bad of course but isn't a crime). After I've got the power back and restarted A4 the state was the same as in the time when I was interrupted. I don't know many digital synths that behave this way. On the con side I only have the complaint about critical differences in firmware features between A4 and Rytm which could be not that "synthetic" IMHO.
@OoraMusic 8 ай бұрын
yeah I love the autosave thing :)
@EverettDudgeon138 Жыл бұрын
As much as I appreciate a raw analog synth like the Perfourmer...I need patch memory. I don’t have time to fiddle around with patch creation every single track or if I need to get something out quick. I also don’t need to rearrange outboard effects. I guess I’m just a set it and forget it type of guy
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
then a4 is for you!
@siliconbrush 6 ай бұрын
Best of both worlds? Get the eurorack version of the Performer filters and pass the A4 signal through it, you wont miss a thing
@cymbolic_space1832 Жыл бұрын
I love my analog 4, I tried to sell it but it never did sell and I am sort of happy about digging back into it. my only complaint is that i find it really difficult to get nice deep and warm sub bass from it. I think its because it doesnt have a sine wave osc which i think is my biggest complaint about the A4.
@Maxi3242 Жыл бұрын
you can get a sine by turning off the osc and rising the resonance of the filter into selfosscillation. Maybe you can try looking into that? :) By lowering the cutoff od the filter you should get some bassy sounds. That being said, I also struggle with this and find the A4 is great for thin sounds like pads or strings which don't require to be fat but also struggle to make it sound thick and present.
@cymbolic_space1832 Жыл бұрын
@@Maxi3242 Thats an idea! I will have to try that. But yeah Im with you, its hard to get it fat and warm, i have been playing it for years now and still havent quite found the trick. people have suggested using the triangle and filtering it down essentially makes a sine wave and more or less it works not bad but then you are down a filter for that voice just to get a sine wave.
@pablo-939 Жыл бұрын
True, the sub isn't the strongest feat of the A4, does the job just fine though. Something very obvious that I missed for a good while is that the outputs on the synth are not the loudest. It can be helpful to turn your other gear down, to give the A4 a little more room for fine tuning things like the oscillator level, which when ran into the filter too loud will kill some bass.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
very good advices here
@cymbolic_space1832 Жыл бұрын
@@pablo-939 oohh thats an interesting idea I never even considered.
@SouthShoreSonics Жыл бұрын
Hi! Is your Analog 4 the OG one or the newer one? I was thinking of getting the OG one to go with my perFOURmer. Thanks
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
is the mk2
@AsyncLive 3 ай бұрын
man what is that gorgeous statief holding an iphone? Who can post a link?
@dfreeman120 10 ай бұрын
The Elektron gear is on another level
@OoraMusic 10 ай бұрын
good stuff!
@dfreeman120 10 ай бұрын
@@OoraMusic I’ve got the machinedrum SPS 1 mk2.
@xperimentador 6 ай бұрын
I would love to put my hand in the Vermona Perfourmer, looks and sounds honest, to the point and clear. I have the A4 mk1, and it is a magnificent piece of gear, but not for those who do not like deep menu diving. My personal frustration is the infinite potentiometer rotary knobs, who falter after a few years of use. And the repair is a big downer, In terms of shipping and costs, imo.
@aeko Жыл бұрын
"...but I still love my wife." 😆
@MrJansteiner Жыл бұрын
Was laughing hard about that one, too 😂
@ExpectResistance Жыл бұрын
😂😂🖤
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
ahahah
@earlsfield Жыл бұрын
Sold Perfourmer few months ago, didn't look back. I have enough Seqential and Moog analog synths to cover the territory. It is nice piece of gear, it has that clinical sound, however, saw is a bit darker, and I was never blown away by the single oscillator channel - it sounds a bit sterile. Yeah, nice stuff, hands on control - but again I don't miss it at all. I never wanted A4, but I would probably, in hindsight, take A4 over Perforumer - although I have a lots of elektron boxes and I think sound is nothing special, so - I'd rather use Electron sequencer for sequencing Moogs, Pro2/3 and modular gear.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
I guess they all are good things, its a matter of personal use and taste
@earlsfield Жыл бұрын
@@OoraMusic absolutely, you do wonders with it, its totally up your alley - we all have our own thing. The only tech remark I have on Perfourmer is that the saw is for some reason too dark, compare it with any of your other synths, its extremely audible. It does make for a nice 303-like lines, but then the filter is too mild for that. But, you said yourself, you like sine - triangle kinda sounds and thats fair (i love pure sine arp through reverb and delay quite often), I just expected more from richer harmonics waveforms.
@bitambassador 10 ай бұрын
Dont you think that Vermona sounds much better, more massive, rounded, more deep and analogish, electron sounds like vst..?
@OoraMusic 10 ай бұрын
they have different strength. Verona sounds just magic to me, is my favorite sounding synth. The A4 offers you loads of feature and is just great as a standalone box.
@AsyncLive 3 ай бұрын
my only beef with A4 are cheap wobbly pots. Otherwise its amazing.
@opusincertumusic Жыл бұрын
I have a digitakt, the analogue is pretty cool but i prefer the perfourmer. A day maybe, i will buy a vermona for 1500 euros😅
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
good plan!!
@kevinbatchelor9566 Жыл бұрын
Both are very nice. I do think the PerFOURmer sounds better but you gain a ton of features in a smaller footprint and only lose a little sound character.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
exactly
@kevinbatchelor9566 Жыл бұрын
@@OoraMusic thanks for the informative demonstration
@iamelohym Жыл бұрын
I would also say both.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
of course :D
@dankefurnichts Жыл бұрын
Will you get an Push 3?!
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
only if they send one :D
@dankefurnichts Жыл бұрын
@@OoraMusic haha ok. i looking forward too ;) mine cam today
@AlexFainDj Жыл бұрын
Sono un grande sostenitore della A4, posseggo la Mk1. Quello che non mi piace della Mk2 è la forma , le dimemsioni e il colore. La grigia è più figa. Se la facevano come la Mk1 era il top. Non so perchè ma adoro i tasti tondi invece che quadrati. Ciao.
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
eeew, sfondi una porta aperta.
@stefantielsch7310 10 ай бұрын
it seems counterproductive to feed the perfourmer ino the elektron. that way the a/d of the elektron "destroy"/cut the full sound spectrum of the perfourmer.. it takes its magic away. good as an elektron advertising but not the truth! by the way i like your vids and your style a lot! but with this i feel you got lost in some abstract ideas/thoughts of "economical" aspects. i like it when you stay simple;) in the end you managed it good (with some swet on your skin😉) to keep both companies happy😅
@wega4105 10 ай бұрын
I thought He owned the Perfourmer , is saying things he said before like the perfourmer is heavy to bring about, just plain practice. This IS a comparison for petes sake :-D
@TalismaJams Жыл бұрын
Perfourmer. No question 😁
@jimmyscott7414 Жыл бұрын
I’ve got mad gas for the A4 but perfourmer hasn’t really had that effect on me. Why do you rate it so much?
@TalismaJams Жыл бұрын
@@jimmyscott7414 Here is why: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n9djd9h7vJ2Vp5s.html I had A4 mk1 for a few years. Never really loved the sound of it. Compared to that Perfourmer's voice is heaven (just listen to the jam in the link). A4 has the advantage of the Elektron sequencer. Compared to that Perfourmer is very very limited (only cutoff and PWM can be controlled via MIDI). You must use your hands at all times to make it sing! Since I have automated almost everything in eurorack my vote is the stellar sound over automation. Perfourmer! No question.
@LordoftheBadgers Жыл бұрын
I sold a4mk2 for a p4mr. Didn't keep the latter. Mistake for me.
@eldontyrellcorp Жыл бұрын
@@LordoftheBadgers Why did you sell it ? I have a perfourmer and an analogue4, and the perfourmer has a rich, warm sound that the analogue 4 does not have. It's a keeper for sure ! Ok, analogue 4 has lots of features that the perfourmer does not have, but for me, it's the sound before everything else, and there's no question that the perfourmer has a better sound in my opinion. And having direct control over the sound is also a big advantage.
@TalismaJams Жыл бұрын
@@LordoftheBadgers If you didn’t got the Perfourmer singing you haven’t used your hands enough. It needs to be tweaked.
@stinkypete9070 Жыл бұрын
I’ve gone full circle. I had a perfourmer, loved it but sold it to get an a4 but didn’t jive with it at all long term, sold that and put an order in for a perfourmer again, no stock till December where I am eeesh
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
ahahah man I know the struggle
@DayflightTrok Ай бұрын
That is a perfect comparison. For me the Octatrack is the most best made machine ever. But Elektron is not develop it anymore. The A4 from the first version I did not like. For me it sounds shit. The today version I do not know. Perhaps it’s better.
@opusincertumusic Жыл бұрын
hello guys!
@OoraMusic Жыл бұрын
ciao!
@audeon_visual 6 ай бұрын
i didn't know these two were... analogous
@OoraMusic 6 ай бұрын
:D
@TwinCitiesOxygen 2 ай бұрын
Convince me why i should get the prerfourmer and not the matriarch
@OoraMusic 2 ай бұрын
four independent voice for amazing counterpoint, more portable, sounds gorgeous
@freestylersuk 9 ай бұрын
Two completely different toys, not sure why would you compare them...Vermona smashes the sound all day long and the Elektron has a wonderful sound with multiple uses...
@OoraMusic 9 ай бұрын
I have been asked many many times to compare them...
@freestylersuk 9 ай бұрын
It's understandable @@OoraMusic
@dzaxys4643 11 ай бұрын
"But I still love my wife" 😂 Like it was close that's a real complement to your wife for sure
@OoraMusic 11 ай бұрын
:D
@SPAZZOID100 4 ай бұрын
Not comparable machines.
@OoraMusic 4 ай бұрын
thanks for letting us know.
@mntlpics 3 ай бұрын
Girlfriend or Boyfriend with a great job that loves and supports your music spiritually and financially, easy, both. Living alone, supporting yourself with whatever gigs you can come up with, easy, the Perfourmer, it just sounds better, so creamy and good. As you say, the Perfourmer is limited in what it can do, but what it does, it does with grace and beauty. Imagine a world where human beings shared the same qualities, simplicity with grace and beauty and everything up front. Bliss.
@OoraMusic 3 ай бұрын
Thanks fro sharing your thoughts!
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