Regarding Analogue Productions I think both variants have value. I love both. I also think it depends what version you hear first. If you play 45 first your not going back to 33 in my opinion For instance I love Time Out on a single side ,incredible. The one exception is something like RW box set. I own the renowned 33 which is across 2 records.Having it over 4 records on 45 is overkill in my opinion especially already owning 33. 45 rpm feels special when you play. Wow Jeff Beck on 45 is a joy to behold. Great topic Michael,see you in 5 minutes 😂

I’m definitely in the 33 camp, even though I acknowledge that 45 usually sounds better. For me the constant change of record disturbs the flow of the music. With 33, put the record on and sit back, relax and enjoy 20 minutes of pleasure. Thank you as always for taking the time to make this video.

I am firmly in the 33 1/3 camp, not for the convenience but because it seems to me that about 20 minutes of music listening at one time is the perfect amount. The 45's just seem disjointed, and not much benefit sonically in going to the 45 (and sometimes NO difference, e.g. Morrison Hotel). And finally, the 45's take up twice as much space in my storage area. This is no small consideration. In any event, thank you Michael, I enjoy all of your videos and this is just my two cents.

Analog Productions continue to be one of the highest-quality vinyl record production plants, and to have the 33 1/3 or the 45 RPM in your collection is most welcome. In critical listening situations, I must say the 45 RPM is a real treat.

I have to laugh at myself and my vinyl collecting brothers at how much time and energy we devote to thinking about these questions and debating back and forth. But I can't help it! And I do love it so! Thanks again my find German friend for keeping the conversation going. :-)

The Brubeck example sums it up...I have heard both and it is a quality vs convenience choice for sure. Great vid!

Great video and very informative as usual, danke Michael, cheers..✌

Now I can get behind these comparisons! Not everyone can afford OGs.. this type of video is for everyone!

Dave Brubeck's "Time Out" is a true classical LP. I love it and I play it often.

I always fall on the side of the best possible sound. Therefore, I go with the 45 rpm versions (if available). I don't mind changing album sides more frequently in exchange for the sounding version.

Hi Michael, greetings from an ex-british soldier now living in Sauerland! I personally think that on the whole th 45 versions sound better than the 33 1/3, but not always enough to warrant the higher cost. By the way, I love your store! I've just bought my first record (The wonderful sounds of quality recordings) and I:m loving the customer experience. Keep it up! By the way, I've just bought a "normal" LP for €23,99 (Blue Note Classic Vinyl Series - Kenny Burrell Midnight Blue), and it sounds fantastic! Obviously it is possible to produce fantastic sounding records at normal prices.

Your are a great teacher.

I recently received Analog Production, 'Countdown to Ecstasy' by Steely Dan 45rpm. This is simply the best version I have ever heard. No pops, no cracks simply perfect. Thank you for having that presentation for that album. Again, simply the best. Cheers

Very interesting 👍. Thx!

To me, 45 rpm is the best sounding and well worth the additional cost if its an LP that I really enjoy. Otherwise the 33 1/3 rpm is a very good value for my other not as important LPs. Thanks for all you do and share Michael.

I almost always go with the 45. On some occasions I will pick the 33. Usually if it’s a “party” album. I don’t want to stop a party anymore than needed.

I agree with you about 33 and 45 flow. With that said, always exceptions to the rule like The Wall or DSOTM. I can’t image either at 45 bc of the flow. I personally like KOB as a 33 bc of how it flows, I like to get lost and that’s easier at 33 on that one.

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Count me in the 45-RPM camp, given the choice. The Royal Ballet was also available as 9(!) single-sided 45-RPM records on Clarity vinyl from Classic Records years ago. I agree with Michael's take on the "artist's intent" idea, the exception being when whole sides are obviously intended to be listened to uninterrupted (e.g., Tubular Bells (also 50 years now!) and DSOTM).

45 RPM sounds better than 33 in nearly every instance I've experienced. My problem with Analogue Productions is that they sell the 33 first and then press the 45 later. So I buy the 33 not knowing what will come later and I can't really justify spending the money on both or finding the shelf space.

I have 33 Kind of Blue for one reason , it’s because the record is short anyway so I don’t want stay the whole time next to my turntable

Hi Michael, The thing is, many 33s can sound just as good as the double 45s. For example, I chose to replace my entire Doors AP 45 catalogue for the 33 DCC pressings. Not only do I prefer the flow offered by the 33, the mastering of the dcc pressings, to my ears, are superior to the AP. Instead of investing in double 45s, I would prefer that time and money be invested into mastering the definitive pressing at 33. Cheers!

I fully agree with your take on 'artist intent'. There's no way for us to know what the artist intended, and whether a 33 1/3 wasn't itself a compromise on intent. I personally don't think it should be part of the conversation when considering 33 1/3 or 45, but all other points are a factor for me. I prefer 45s in general, but not for all albums, as others have said. Great episode, Michael. Appreciate your contributions and very articulate, well-reasoned rationale for your conclusions. You're a great ambassador for this hobby.

Sometimes loving vinyl provides it own source of punishment. So so many variables with setups and as many with different pressings. It completely becomes an ear drug chasing after the sound that pleases you most. It's very fun but sometimes you think your all set and a new pressing comes along and it's back to the do I chase again or stand pat? I've found i love 45rpm. I don't mind the extra effort 45rpm brings along with it. So I've made this rule, if its an artist I love and a 45rpm is available for reasonable prices I go for it. Have to have rules or I'd go crazy. Like if its a whiskey night no mofi, quiex or any other specialty pressings! Ha

Unless I am buying a new artist's music (first release), I rarely buy my records from anyone other than Acoustic Sounds. AP/QRP is pressing the best reissues available today. I know you are speaking about the difference between AP/QRP 45's and AP/QRP 33's for classic albums recorded on magnetic tape. I largely agree with your assessment, but it is wrong to say that 45 rpm beats 33 rpm in general. I challenge anyone reading this post to listen to Direct To Disc (D2D) recordings on 33 rpm and tell me it doesn't sound better than standard cut 45 rpm. The D2D 33 beats 45 rpm from magnetic tape hands down; I have never heard anything better on the sound level. It is breathtaking just stunning. Nippon Columbia released the first commercial D2D vinyl record in the late '60's, but in recent times QRP has pressed some blues 33's, and other labels such as Berliner Meister Platten have pressed other genres of music on D2D vinyl. Granted, you can't buy bands like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, etc. on D2D, but what you can buy is very much worth having for the ultimate audiophile experience. My D2D vinyl 33's are some of my most treasured records, and I just love hearing them. 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶

I'm recording all my 45 lps to cassette so I can playback all in one listening session without getting up, Very satisfied.

I certainly do appreciate the 45s and the sound, I own a few, Rumours, Jeff Beck, etc... but as a rule...If the 33 is done like a Tone Poet or an Analogue Prods., 9 times out of 10, the cost and the hassle, with "only" one song per side of a 45, makes the 33 more desirable to me. The storage space required in my house, is an issue too. Imagine a genuine double album, so then on 45s it becomes 4 discs. No thanks. I don't need the best copy ever created, rather I want the best version that is not a hassle. I want a clean, click-free version, and brand new, well-done 33s are plenty satisfactory to me.

Thanks for your excellent analysis Michael. On the discussion about the flow and continuity of an album, there are some titles which are simply not suitable for the 45 RPM treatment. A clear example of this is Marvin Gaye's OneStep of What's Going On, where one song fades into another. MoFi simply butchered side A when they decided to split it in two sides.

Thanks for the video Michael, very objective analysis. Sorry for going out off topic but wanted to kindly request you an updated video and analysis of the Alva Noto Sakamoto vinyl series

the CS 8192-45 Clarity SV-P II 45 RPM Series is so expensive but i miss a mono 45 rpm

I was not aware of the repeat of side 1 as the last side in the box set for The Royal Ballet Gala Performances. (I have it on backorder at the moment.) That is a classy move by AP!

Great video Michael - thank you. Two other reissue labels for 33 1/3 vs 45 can be Classic Records - I always prefer their 45's - and Music Matters (though I've read there was a technology change(s) some claim they hear, preferring 33 1/3) I do not own any... yet😅

Holy shit..you got albums I dig! SRV, Skynyrd!

Somethimes I've fine with 45rpm albums, when I want to listen to a lot of different stuff, and still feel like I didn't quit on a record. I can play 1/4 of the album and feel satisfied, then move on.

Remember to set your pick-up and tonearm specifically for 7", preferable according to Stevenson's 7" alignment. Probably the biggest boost you can get for the format, taking the sound to another level over 33rpm/12". 😃

I'm not an audiophile. Found this very intereting. Thanks.

1st as the Groove gets closer to the spindle the angle of the stylus changes within the Groove, that's why its set up as an average to reduce distortion as the 45 RPM is further away and also the information is greater due to the increased space. 2nd Classic Records single sided cuts suffered record dishing, no flat vinyl after time and why its no longer done, Classic did a lot of trial and error to sell the same music over and over.(AP also) The 33 RPM was the standard 20 minutes per side and Artists followed that measurement of time to design the music flow, that's why there is some trouble with converting a 33 RPM to a 45 RPM getting the proper flow the artist intended.

Great video. Hard to comment because you covered it all. I have many 45's including a lot of 7" discs. There is one lp in particular that is better as a 45 and that is Dire Straits "Money for Nothing". The original 33 had to be cut down to fit on an lp since it was promoted as a cd release originally and therefore too long to fit on an lp. The 45 has the original cd length.

33 all the way. * my system is good - but not that good * I can buy way more records * getting up every 20 minutes to change the bloody thing is short enough !

I prefer a well mastered/pressed 33. Not because of convenience, but because 20 minutes is the perfect listening time to listen to a record. It’s like a brief intermission at a show. The Rastaman Bob Marley UHQR (along with AP standard releases) proved to me that 45RPM is not needed.

This is why I still buy some maxis, even giving just 1 track the luxury treatment or having an entire side to its own is delicious. In my experience, it brings a sense of realism rarely achievable under the 33 1/3 constraints. I think when people say "this is what the artist intended" in reality they usually just mean "this is the original medium (the "proper one") in which it was released, therefore, how it was meant to be presented" and it’s just not true necessarily.

Ok So I agree on your comment that the artist probably didn’t intend to on a specific RPM. I think one possible exception is What’s Going On, where the MOFI 45 breaks up the continuous flow which seems to be intended for 33RPM.

A little love. A high - end system. Whether 33 or 45rpm. Both meet a delightful pleasure. But of even more alluring special appeal is the music itself. ❤Heike Where does high end begin? 😜 And when does the strong feeling of love begin? 😔

I find the 45’s are a little more open than the 33’s but when you’re talking Analogue Productions, I don’t think the differences are huge. I respect that some people say they hear big differences between the 2 - I hear some improvement with a 45 but I just don’t think it’s a big enough difference. I like ‘em both but if available, I would tend to lean towards the 45rpm.

I'm generally in the 45 rpm camp. Beyond that, as the listener, who bought the recording, and listens with my ears, I'm more concerned with how I want to hear the music than the musicians want me to hear it. If we agree on that, great; if not, I expect that their feelings shouldn't be hurt! In regards to having to get up more often to change sides, a bit more daily movement in my life never hurts, and so that's a non-issue for me. And in re. to the cost issue- If I am more mixed on a recording's attraction to me, I'll save paying top dollar and get the 33 1/3 if it's already a very good pressing/presentation of the music. Beyond all that, unless I'm comparing competing pressings/mixes/formats of a recording, I don't do critical listening- only more or less attentive listening! ; )

I had a feeling you liked 45rpm records, just a hunch…. 🤭 I have Maiden Voyage AP45 and awaiting my first ever Music Matters which is a 45rpm copy of Sonny Rollins “Newk’s Time”, can’t wait!

I just recently purchased the Roger Waters, as you know, and as much as I adore this set, I do agree with others about the flow, at least in this case.. I would not go as far as saying that the 33rpm is “how the artist intended” (although there are for sure many concept albums designed around this format). That said, I am glad that we have the option to chose either speeds, and we have killer sounding pressings (especially from Analogue Productions) on both!

I love the 45rpm but yes, when i want to relax the 33rpm or the Analog Productions or MoFi SACDs sound amazing and are really convenient... I've heard SACD sales are increasing again? Is this because of the new AP and MoFi SACD releases???

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I just received the 45rpm version of Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow that Chad and his Acoustic Sounds team produced. It sounds incredible. Was it worth the extra money for the 45rpm format? Debatable. Unfortunately, I didn't have a choice between the 45 and 33 und 1/3rd because the latter is on back order. Same with Wired.

Very subjective as well is the opinion/fairy tale “the better your system, the bigger the difference”. Having been involved in professional testing of hi-fi gear for years, I can confirm that, if the pressing is better, the difference can easily be told, even if one uses quite inexpensive headphones. The same goes for speakers - what you would need to use here are neutral sounding ones, and there should not be any issue comparing two differing versions (and applying the “one by one Chad method” ;) ).

I think we all love 45 RPM because we know we are getting the best possible version, whether we can truly hear it or not. I have both the 33 and 45 rpm of Getz/Gilberto from Analogue Productions. I play it on a Rega P10 so my TT is no slouch. I find it really hard to hear the difference. Not sure if that's a testament to how good AP did the 33, or that you can only squeeze so much out of a recording when its done so well to begin with. With that being said, I have the 33 and 45 of Fleetwood Mac Rumours, both cut by Kevin Gray and pressed at RTI, and the 45 blows the 33 out of the water.

I respectfully I disagree with your disagreement with the argument that the artist intended their music to be heard on a two-sided record. I'm talking about records made before the early or mid 1980s, when there was no CD option. People either bought recordings as 2-sided 33rpm LPs or cassette tapes, which also have two sides. You are right that some artists made records that were just collections of songs. For these records, it doesn't matter whether the songs are spread out over two sides or four sides or a single CD. But SOME artists planned very purposefully which songs would go on each side, and the order of songs. Many of the records in your collection, records you've done videos about. The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Yes, and many other great artists made records where each side has its own identity. You listen to Side 1 of Abbey Road first; there are the songs in a particular order, and when you get to the end of Side 1 it's like you're at the end of the first movement of a great symphony. Then you flip the record and listen to the second movement. Regarding sound quality vs. convenience, I go back and forth. I have the 33 and 45 Time Out, but for other AP/QRP releases, I have only one or the other. Yes, the 45 sounds better, and sometimes when I listen, that's all I care about (besides of course the music itself!). But as you said, the 33's pressed by QRP sound EXCELLENT. I have at least 40 of the RCA Living Stereo classical titles that appear on Analogue Productions, and most of the ones I have are 33. They sound luscious and beautiful and thrilling. For longer classical pieces, like symphonies, it is a bit disruptive to get up every 8 minutes and flip the record or change the disc, which takes me out of the zone. Since the 33rpm versions are SO GREAT, I am happy to own them. And also because they cost US$40 instead of US$60 for the 45s, I can own many more of them. I have the Kind of Blue UHQR on 33 and I absolutely love it. I'm sure the 45 sounds even better, based on your review and others. But I am so thrilled with the 33, and I've already spend around US$400 on various other pressings and CD versions of Kind of Blue. At some point, I have to draw the line and save my money for other UHQRs or other Acoustic Sounds or Tone Poet series records. Thank you for another great video!

I've 45rpm 12 inch Remasters of Underworld Dark & long and Juanita. They sound 👌 Could they be on one side at 33rpm? Probably. But hey, life is short. Enjoy the moment.

Maybe the extra space on 45 rpm albums can be used in the future for added Bonus Tracks ..

The 33rpm of the sky is crying by analogue productions is amazing idc what anyone says

Problem is comparisons are rarely fair. In most cases they are mastered differently, I believe thats the case for all the examples here too. One of few good comparisons is the Fleetwood Mac Rumours cuts by Kevin and Hoffman, even then the 45 is cut louder but at least thats the only difference in mastering.

I have three versions of TIME OUT on LP...(1) Orig. mono pressing Columbia CL1397...(2) Columbia Jazz Masterpieces stereo CJ 40585 Digitally remastered directly from the original analog tapes. Digital remix by Larry Keyes (who I believe was one of the engineers at those sessions) and mastered by Vlado Meller at CBS in NY...(3) Jazz Wax Records JW 4525 stereo, 180 gram, limited edition, high-definition premium virgin vinyl pressing, super fidelity (so states the hype sticker) Direct metal Mastering DMM original George Neumann cutting system. Re: Jazz Wax version, the cover art reproduction literally looks like someone from their art dept, perhaps, tried to copy it - and failed miserably. Also, there is no mention of Columbia nor who mastered it or any facts at all on the jacket. Anyone out there familiar with Jazz Wax?

The flow of the music can be disturbed in 45 rpm . Depends on the artists Santana,Tangerine Dream, Yes, Moody Blues, War of the Worlds,Pink Floyd,ELP, Just saying and many Jazz albums and any Stanley Turrentine lp.

Another disadvantage of a single LP being spread over two LPs, is that they take up a lot more space. Not a good thing if you are running out of space.

For me it has to be 33 1/3. In the end 45 RPM is a single and I don’t purchase singles unless absolute necessary.

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I prefer the 33 of Folk Singer. The 45 is too dynamic in my opinion. It sounds shouty on my system. However the 45 of Time Out sounds incredible. I also like the 33 but you can really tell the difference with that one.

I've always wondered why some 45s are $60 and some are $35.

Whch Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus would you recommend? Analogue Productions 33 or 45 RPM?

Mofi just announced on every street 45rpm mmmmm.......

I’m lazy. I like 33.33

First and foremost, I think it depends on your system. If you don't have a really good system, then you probably won't hear/notice the differences.

I'm not that keen on albums were there is only one track per side with the 45 rpm version. Usually these albums ae fairly short in any case. Also there are albums were tracks blend into one another so 45 rpm interrupts the flow too much. Eldorado and Abraxas come to mind. 45 rpm usually sounds better but there is a balance to be struck here. If I don't know the album well or don't own a standard 33 rpm I will go for the single disc version.

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That makes no sense, that you think that the artists didn't plan it that way... If you're talking about vintage records, Dark Side of The Moon for example... That would never work on 45rpm.. What I'm saying, is it totally depends on the record.

I kind of look down on people that choose CDs/files for convenience, but I do the same thing about 45s. It's just too much trouble to change the record all the time. I prefer 33s for the....convenience. Now, if the sound sucked on a 33 that'd be a different story.

I will rarely buy a 45. It is just to annoying. Does a 45 sound better, sure but the difference is very small. The inconvenience is very large. I have Brothers in arms on the 45 and 33 and I only listen to the 33 but most often the SACD.

I'm not a fan of 45rpm LPs, for me 45rpm just does something odd to the pace and rhythm of the music!

45 has more detail and plays faster thus more details. Obviously 33 s have more songs , less deadwax and inner groove distortion no matter how good your stylus is.

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Interesting topic - I'm in the opposite camp, Michael. Yes 45 RPM (almost) always sounds better than 33 rpm. And if you are most interested in the sound quality of your records, it is natural to choose 45 rpm. And everyone is free to do this. But if the musical - rather than the technical - experience comes first, things are different (although it can be difficult to separate these two aspects). I disagree with the view that the fact that the tracks are also on 33 rpm are distributed over 2 record sides should mean that artists have not thought about the flow of the LP. It seems unlikely that the artist or producer simply distributed the tracks randomly on the record sides. Therefore, I believe that your argument that 33 rpm does not reflect an intended experience of an album's tracks does not hold. And there is probably a reason for e.g. Sgt. Pepper, TDSOTM, Wish You Were Here and similar continuous concept albums not released on 45 rpm.

Oops. Humble pie time. They are at 33rpm. Apologies.

There atr no absolutes. Look at a better mastered or pressed record - Music Matters Jazz anyone? There is a physics advantage to 45 frequency spectrum I would suggest getting familiar with the Steve Hoffman treaty on it Brubeck Time Out with Blue Rondo Ala Turk and the title track is just stunning on 45 Many others- not as much

I will never buy an album on 45 rpm no matter how good it sounds. Too inconvenient. I don't trust that clear vinyl either.

It's getting pretty embarrassing with how clearly these are no longer informational videos and purely advertising for your webstore... Very dissapointing.