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"You're not gonna shoot a puppy, are you?" "Yeah, in the face. Why?" I'm dead, Jack Horner is funny af

I haven’t started this video yet but I love that the movie was willing to have Jack be purely and unapologetically evil instead of trying to come up with some kind of excuse, sending the message that, yes, some people are just that bad.

Definetely the best of Jack Horner is that he is essentially the classic style of villain. No sad backstory. No traumas. No redemption at the end. No plot twists. Just a purely dark hearted man that is 100% honest and only wants power, all of it

To me, Jack _kind of_ has a legit origin story and it’s great bc of how simple it is: he was so privileged that he looked at the one, single thing he didn’t own (magic) and decided that he needed it. It’s funny and scary bc some people really are just that selfish 💀

Destroying the wish before the fight with Death would have completely undermined the theme. Puss needed to choose to fight for his last life not have no choice but to fight for his last life, otherwise he wouldn't have become the kind of hero that Death felt he should spare.

He's not in your face about like "argh I'm evil argh!" He's just like, "mhm I've killed 12 men, what a lovely Tuesday." That's why I think he works so well. He's the ultimate evil but he's nonchalant about it.

Jack Horner is a breath of fresh air. In a sea of sympathetic villains who might as well be antiheros, you have Jack Horner who would cross the street to kick a puppy and I love that.

One thing I love about Jack as a character is that he's technically a competent villain, given that despite being as spoiled and ungrateful as he is, he was somehow competent enough to continue and build on his family business while also getting his hands on the magical relics, which while yeah he probably payed people off, but that probably isnt cheap given its magical objects and whatnot

Excalibur still having the stone attached (essentially turning it into a club) has got to be one of the best fairytale gags from this franchise. Also the Fairy Godmother wand was a nice callback, I'm sure she'd be glad it ended up with such a corrupted person.

I think he is a great villian specifically becomes he contrasts the depth of the others. By himself, he'd score lower, but as part of the cast, he scores very high by adding the comically evil note that the other antagonists can't bring. It's all about how he fits in the story.

I love how they just couldn't decide if they wanted a silly cartoon villain, a serious villain or someone who's sympathetic so they just put all of the types into their movie and somehow it doesn't feel overcrowded

"What did I do Wrong!? I mean what specifically?!" I've never loved the last words of a villain more than Jack Horner's

I disagree with flipping the death and jack horner confrontation. The fact that Puss tosses the wish away when he still has it shows that he has grown while the alternative is growth but to a lesser extent, you would feel like puss didn't have a choice in the matter and had to accept it. It is why I am not a fan of showing Goldielocks being ok with her family after the wish is destroyed, I think it would have been more powerful if say Puss gave her the wish and she also turned it down, then the final confrontation is dealing with Jack who we can all agree nobody would want to have the wish. I can agree that it is a downgrade, the animation with puss against death is so amazing but its not bad by any means and seeing all the characters work together if feels like a good comedic climax where as the death fight was a drama climax.

You know Jack's a good character because he's pure evil, but somehow still likable. They nailed it with Jack as the comic relief villain.

People talk a lot of the Wolf but Jack Horner is the perfect mix of menacing and sadistically funny.

The fact that so many people still see the wolf as evil is honestly a testament to how sympathetic they make Puss, along with how subtle they make the reason for Wolf's sinister attitude. You have to remember, Puss is loveable, he's a hero and helps people...but he does it all for his image. He doesn't value anything at all in his life, including his life, he only ever values himself and he knows that. And as he's doing all this, he as the nerve, the absolute gall, to literally laugh in deaths face about his nine lives, and death followed him, having to put up with the constant irredeemable existence that this guy who is actively laughing at him is leading. Which is ultimately why he revels in finally being able to take Puss's life. Since death is a force of nature, he probably doesn't even speak to everyone else he has to reap. He probably doesn't even have to show himself or even take his blades out. Why does he act frustrated with not being able to take Puss's life at the end? Because suddenly becoming redeemable for the last ninth of your life doesn't change the fact that you were a terrible person for 8/9ths of the rest of it. It's also likely that death doesn't believe Puss can really change, but since Puss is showing signs of changing he has to stop actively pursuing his death and has to let it happen the natural way due to a moral code he likely has.

Jacks funny and a joy to watch. He does his job perfectly. Also if puss destroyed the wish before death that would have been terrible lmao. His choice to put it down is what showcases just how much he grew.

You know what would’ve boosted the final fight with Jack Horner? If it ended with Death coming back and claiming Jack himself. Like, we don’t see the kill, but once Puss and everyone has escaped the arena, Jack’s left and he hears the whistle. He turns and sees Death, showing fear for the first time in the movie

gotta love how in every scene he is in, there is at least one person directly or indirectly dying because of him

If the wish is destroyed before death shows up, like you suggested, it removes a difficult decision for Puss that really establishes his development. He chose not to wish for more lives rather than having no choice at all.

I love Jack as a villain for THIS movie specifically. I just think he fills his role so well. If the Goldie gang was the only other one after the wish, I think it’d damper the urgency a bit. Goldie and Kittys’ wishes wouldn’t impact the whole Shrekverse, Puss’s wish would actively hinder his character development, but behind all these wishes is Jack, and if he gets the wish, he’d basically be the most powerful person in the Shrek universe. It makes the chase for the wish feel more full and interesting, so I think he was a needed addition. But the choice to not flesh him out was honestly really smart. If they did that, the movie would have been so cramped and all over the place, even though Jack was a needed addition, he couldn’t overstay his welcome. There is also more to a character than complex motives and development. I love one note baddies, as long as they leave an impact, whether it’s because of their demeanour, their humour, their design, or just plain being evil for the sake of it. I like sympathetic villains too, but especially in Jack’s case where giving him depth would have added a layer that I think could muddy the waters, going with a delightfully one note approach to him, focusing mainly on humour and camp, while somehow still tying him into the ‘death’ theme, was a fantastic decision. But I agree with you abt the Death vs the Jack climax. I didn’t even think about it but the death fight being the true finale might have given the Jack fight a bit more weight.

I think Jack being very simple in character makes it his biggest strength. He’s so despicable and self aware of it, haven’t seen a villain like him in a while

I like how the Shrekverse is a parody of Disney and that he keeps Jiminy Cricket around and flicks him off at the end lol Like we need kids movies that pull no punches and it's amazing that Dreamworks can make a villain off of a nursery rhyme character and make it work

What I like most about Jack Horner is that he returns a character archetype (unapologetically evil) to the storytelling arsenal for writers by proving its viability among modern audiences. Sympathetic and complex villains are great and all, but not all villains need to be sympathetic and complex. Sometimes I want to see the heroes take down someone who is simply rotten down to their very core. And in regards to the order of the final battles with Death and Jack Horner, I think the Death and then Jack Horner sequence with the destruction of the final wish well after the final brush with Death was chosen so as to give Puss in Boots full agency in the duel… to choose between more lives or expressing his full appreciation of the life he still has left.

I totally agree that I really missed a good old fashioned irredeemable villain, I've been a little tired of all the "oh I'm the bad guy" followed immediately by the "but I'm not actually that bad of a guy because XYZ" so having someone who is so unabashedly just evil and revels in it was awesome. I think the fact that he's so hilariously unperturbed by it all and the fact that his """tragic""" backstory is just so absurdly unimportant makes it all the better. The fact that he's somewhat one-dimensional is a little bit of the point, which can be both good and bad, but it definitely plays into the strengths of the archetype he's very much designed around. Besides, even if Jack falls short in some villain aspects, there's always other characters to pick it up, and vice versa for the other villains.

He's well written to be bidimensional, the fact that he does what he does just because he can really help to making him pure evil, i also love how despite being hilarious to the audience his crimes are still played for horror in the movie.

Jack Horner is like Handsome Jack in which you know they're evil psychopaths, but absolutely love them for they're charisma and hilarious dialogue.

Something I never hear anyone mention is that he plays into the message of appreciating what you have like the rest of the cast. He has so many things and none of it matters to him. While the others reflect and realise they have all they need, he's blinded by greed (and his own general awfulness) and that lead to his death.

I do agree with you, I actually missed these pure evil irredeemable villains in movies, complex villains are good, but we got way too many of them I'm kind of bored of it. Sometime all we need is a pure evil baster. Beside Big Jack Horner is one of the funnier villains in animation and Dreamwork, and he works great with the moral of the story, which is appreciate the life you have, and he show what would happen if we were too obsessed, you will consume by the things we seek and lost everything.

I feel like Jack is the final hurdle for both groups at the end, if Puss lost the wish first than he isn't choosing to give it up and face death on his own terms and is just doing it because he has literally no other option. With both groups coming to realise they never needed the wish, the fight with Jack wraps up the wish plot and gives a nice send off of sometimes everything you wanted was always there and you just didn't see it and that if you focus too much on what you want you can end up like Jack, all fucked up and with nothing.

To me Jack’s fight after Puss defeats death makes a lot of sense from the perspective of the heroes journey (or as Dan Harmon describes it, the story circle). Puss crosses the threshold, gets sent on his journey by realizing he is mortal, so he enters a new world to find the solution: the wishing Star. 6 o’clock on the story circle, the bottom on the heroes journey, Puss finally gets what he was looking for. In classic story circle fashion though what was looking for wasn’t what he thought: not the wish to get 9 lives, but the sense of purpose and courage to fight for his current life. He learns this and defeats death. But at 7-8 o’clock on the story circle, when the heroes are trying to return to the world they came from (everything below 3 and 9 o’clock is the new world, everything above is the old world) there is always some conflict, some consequence, for having entered the new world. You don’t get to search for the thing for free, it has a cost: it’s why in movies the bad thing always happens right after they get the treasure. In this case the cost was Jack Horner trying to use the wish for his own gain.

His backstory didn't make him a tragic or complex villain, it made him more 2D with no redeeming qualities and I love it

03:17 I like "you are not going to shoot that puppy are you Jack?" "Yeah in the face why? Or "What did I do to deserve this?" "I mean what specifically?"

Jack Horner is like the Dreamworks equivalent to Eric Cartman

I disagree that the jack and death fights can be flipped. When Death approaches Puss he asks if he is going to run or fight, implying he could in theory make a break for it and make the wish, but it’s Puss’s CHOICE to stand and fight for his life that actually makes his arc complete

The scene where the cricket calls him an unredeemable monster almost made me cry tears of joy, oh it was a funny scene on it's own but what really made me happy was seeing a complete monster villain in a big studio animated movie again. I'm solely dependant on Dreamworks to bring me this type of villain now since Disney doubled down on their "not evil just misunderstood" villains, but both DW's movies in the last year had unredeemable villains, I think they realized they can exploit the gap in the market left behind by disney.

He is the main villain of the movie! But DreamWorks once said that they want to create a villain with no tragic backstory. I mean a villain doesn't need a story they are evil because they are evil so easy. When u are power hungry u don't need to have a backstory ur just power hungry and that is the case with jack horner no-one bothered him he is just power hungry.

4:32 while I do understand and partially agree with your point about the Jack fight seeming kinda wack being there, I have to disagree with the flipping part Cause if the map was ripped then Puss would have no real "choice" to make once Death corners him However when he has the map yet decides to toss it away to face Death, it develops his character and makes the scene 10x more raw "No. Just one." "I'm done running."

I’m glad that we’re finally introducing some villains in modern times who don’t have some sort of sob story or anything. The reality is that most real-life horrible people aren’t victims. They don’t have rational reasons for hurting others. They’re just rotten. I really think kids nowadays need to learn not to sympathize with villains so much. And Jack Horner was refreshing for that reason. The audience isn’t given any sort of excuse as to why all of the horrible things he did was okay.

Puss in Boots: The Last Wish hits all 3 of the main villain types almost perfectly. Goldilocks, sympathetic/victim of circumstance. Death, Force of Nature. Big Jack Horner, pure evil. Such a great film. Also I would argue the Death fight being before Jack's makes sense for the story, Puss had to let go and having the wish still be an option and him choosing not to use it makes the conclusion of his arc just that impactful.

Honestly Jack Horner was one of my top 3 favourite characters in the movie. (Behind Only Purrito and Death) A truly unforgivable villain that cares for nobody but himself and his own greedy goals, yet also manages to provide plenty of very funny scenes with how cold hearted he is. xD

@4:35 No, you couldn't do the death fight AFTER the wish was destroyed. That would take away all of Puss' agency in making his own choice to fight for his remaining life. If he had to fight death with literally (as far as the movie is concerned) option, it just ends up becoming Puss trying to run away again. Maybe he's running away to a better choice, but because he would have been backed into a corner by circumstances he would have no power of his own to make the choice. The whole idea is that he had to give up the wish for the life he had left.

I think it was important for the Death fight to happen before the map is broken, because that fight is where Puss comes to terms with his mortality which is what allows him to let go of his wish

He’s a static character done really well! People always talk about how critical dynamic characters are - and it’s true, driving the plot is kind of hard if no characters evolve along with the challenges and events presented - but static characters who have very small or no character arcs can serve as pivot points and road blocks like no others. My English teachers used to press on this point in school, sometimes you WANT the character who will change for nothing & whose whole role is very straightforward & *static*.

Honestly the fact that it's John Mulaney voicing this irredeemable sikko just made it even better for me

i kinda love him. his expressions are great and he reminds me of a lot of the villians you get in one piece like arlong and crocodile who are just totally merciless and have a goal they are putting everything towards

This is what a true villain needs to be, maybe Disney could take notes on this and actually have good villains again more.

Given that this is a part of the Shrek franchise, I'm pretty sure Jack is meant to be a response to the recent string of Disney antagonists who are either revealed at the very last minute, obstacles to our hero's journey, or barely even count as villains since they're tragic figures who have no idea how to properly communicate how troubled they are. Jack is none of those things, he's a petty psychopath with no shame in how monstrous he is. In fact, I think he'd fit right in alongside Bill Cipher, Lord Dominator, and tons of other DTVA villains.

I always see death as the secondary antagonist of the story and I like the idea that jack horner is the real main antagonist, because when I first saw the trailer I thought he was the main antagonist, but he turned out to be the secondary antagonist( to me). Also if death did met jack, would he be scared of death or just laugh at him because he thinks he's just the big bad wolf that dress up as grandma and blew down three house, I want to know what you think.

i also agree with the fact death's actions are evil in this movie. he is going after Puss early. it isn't the right time to collect his soul yet but death doesn't care to watch Puss waist another life. while inadvertently giving puss a character arc that wasn't death's intention.

Your point about flipping the order of the final battle with Death and the final battle with Jack Horner is a very good one with many merits. It's an interesting balance of consideration between their roles as villains and what kind of presence each of them has. As a major in Screenwriting, I believe I can answer your question. In every properly written story, which Puss in Boots 2 certainly is, the protagonist must have their own journey, something about their character arc that acts as a catalyst for getting pulled into the conflict. And during the journey/conflict across the story, they must undergo a Transformation where they learn their lesson, evolve, and become something more. The protagonist is renewed and empowered, and they bring this to the story's climax as a show of who they have become. This is as important a victory for them as much as defeating the Bad Guy. In this story, Death appears and reminds Puss of his own mortality, which acts as the catalyst to begin Puss' journey; both for wanting to wish for more lives and his own gradual growth as a person. By finally facing Death at the end and finally overcoming his prior arrogance and fear, Puss is Transformed, and Death begrudgingly congratulates him for it. The same journey of Transformation goes for Softpaws and Goldilocks, none of them need the Wish anymore, the Moral of the Story is complete, and so Jack Horner's final reemergence acts as the final touch. Everyone now unites. A call to bring forth what they have learned and who they have become against the one character who is truly irredeemable and is therefore the true villain who must be stopped. The formula for this film was masterfully crafted and flawlessly executed!

I think that Jack is a great personality (not a good person in the slightest but really fun on screen) and the people around him make up for him being one-note. Pairing him with *not* Jiminy Cricket worked so well and gave him a lot to play off of since He might have gotten a bit stale in the middle without such a morally good character surrounding him. I will say though in the climax the set pieces made it to where that was the best place to put his final fight since. If it happened before the death fight then it would take away from puss throwing away the wish to face his mortality and accept it, humbling himself. it also wraps up the wish plot point since jack was the only one that wanted the wish at this point and would not compromise, makes sense for him to be the last one interacting with the paper. It would also be pretty lame if they just left without doing anything about the wish.

He also technically gets his wish in a roundabout way (along with every other character) since he falls into what is presumed to essentially be liquid magic that has such immense power it can grant wishes.

I kinda like how he wants the magic to get back the attention he got, but when you look at the baker squad and how much they were trying there best for jack to litterly become a human bridge shows that he doesn’t care for the attention anymore but just wants the magic and power. Great villain.

I also love Jack's body language and facial expressions, they made an amazing job there

I believe that the Bears and team friendships teamed up together in the end because they realized the great threat Jack was by stealing all the magic in the world (this could include stealing their consciousness because they are magic animals)

2:32, I’m with you on this one. He’s Death but he’s not happening to Puss in the natural course of events when he’s dying and the Grim Reaper comes for his soul, he’s actively seeking to kill Puss.

Wolf is 100% gunning after Puss for his blatant disregard for his lives, doing his job on the side, up until he realizes he played with his food for too long and Puss is no longer on his "Kill _Now"_ list.

I think jack horner cold heartedly murdered the most people on screen out of any villain in any animated movie. What an absolute terror. I think the organization of jack, then death, then rematch with jack where they all work together to tear up the wish was the perfect arrangement.

As megamind once said, what makes a great villain is presentation. Big Jack is solid proof that villains who have no tragic backstory or cheesy redemption can still work as long as they are entertaining. Evil for the sake of being evil. Thats sometimes all you need from a good villain. Heck a lot of past villains like that are still beloved to this day. I would even argue that Bill Cypher is that sort of villain. I'm glad this characters reminds people to appreciate the simple things a bit more.

I love that they gave him a bag of holding full of all of the stolen magical items. It made him even more perfectly cartoonish.

I actually think having his battle after deaths is good, because then puss in boots can choose between acceptance and fear, and I think it adds more depth to kitty soft paws trust. Because, if the wish is destroyed, we know he probably would have chosen it, and kitty soft paws wouldn’t have known it was his choice to be with her.

I feel like Jack’s final scene had to come after the final fight with Death, because the final Death encounter was a final test for Puss, because he still hasn’t completely changed his mind, and if he already had that arc where they destroyed the wish, the final death fight wouldn’t be as important to the characters.

I had nightmares of Mrs. Tweedy when I was a child and everyone talks about the wolf being not good for children😅

Something I noticed while watching this video is that the horses carrying Jack's carriage are the unicorns with their horns sawn off. I thought that was a neat yet cruel touch. Love the video :)

Kinda wished that Death confronted/spooked Jack right before his ultimate demise 😂🤣

I believe Jack in the end is the villain with consequence on the entire theme of the movie, taking things for granted. As Goldie and Puss took what they have for granted (Life and Family) while Jack just recklessly use whatever magic thing he pulls from his bag (and said magic thing even ended him in a blazing glory)

Jack Horner is what I'd call a "magnificent bastard." He's pure evil, but he's also funny, and clearly enjoys himself.

Jack is more of a cautionary tale. What happens when you care about chasing your own desires, instead cherishing what’s right in front of you. He’s the person who would disregard everything: not only his respect for life, but his wealth and THRIVING bakery business just to get what he wants. Goldie and Jack, thankfully, still had their humanity to pull them back from going down that same path. He’s a one note villain, yeah, but he served a purpose in the story.

The thing that I like is that the ending when he was defeated, he's not clueless. "What have I done to deserve this" should be a line where most audience should say "maybe we've treated him too harsh" or "finally he realizes his wrong doings and wants to turn a new leaf" but then he adds up to it saying "I mean what specifically?" just makes the audience go "yep, he's definitely evil". Also I saw this comment from another video which adds another meta commentary on the cricket: "The cricket is just the embodiment of all naive audience who thinks that he's redeemable or that he could be changed to good" Couldn't say it better myself.

He's...... Such a player character He acts like someone who's having fun with NPCs in a universe sandbox. Detached from the universe he is acting upon. He's pulling out magic arsenal items like he held down the spawnmenu button in Gmod because he has Marry Poppins' bag. He gets a kick out of destruction and all the cool things these items can do.

I do like he's motive is so simple since he is a nursery rhyme character barely anyone knew that well. Of course he'd be hungry for magic, fame and recognition. A bit evil view of literally having he's men killed for he's goal but it does add to he's greedy morals and wants. That and he's funny.

The fact he's a villain played for jokes but isn't in himself a joke and quite successful makes him even better

This is one of the best movies I've seen in a really long time. It does so many things well while blending comedy and tragedy. Also the Excalibur joke is absolutely banger.

I feel like jack horner has some additional character depth, although not as precisely noticeable as Goldilocks and Death. If you really look into it, he was a nobody growing up but just a mere nursery rhyme that was greatly overshadowed by myths, legends, and fairy tales. Especially fairytales, such as Pinocchio. The most common thing associated with fairy tales is magic. Since people are more attentive to fairy tales than nursery rhymes, Jack Horner subconsciously believes that he has to harness all the magic in the world for himself to be somebody. Over time his obsession with magic has grown to pure hatred and evilness, and not caring for anyone else but his own selfish needs. This is just my two cents on him, but I totally rather he is just a purely evil villain (no tragic backstory required).

You'll never see a villain like this in a Disney movie.

From one good villain to another.

4:33 i think thats what makes Puss choice so well, the fact that he gives up on his own instead of being forcedo to

Jack is a true villain while death is more menacing but he is just a force of nature

I don't think you can flip Jack and death's scenes Because you need Puss to have the option of the wish and willingly reject it

I love how Puss in boots had all 3 villain archetypes. The neutral force that challenges the protagonists worldview (death), the sympathetic misguided villain with a relatable goal (goldy), and finally the irredeemable monster (big jack). And they executed this flawlessly without making it feel crowded!

Death is going out of the way of his job to get revenge on a cocky guy wasting his own lives, even stopping when puss resigns his former self, until leaving when puss starts to change and value his life. Goldilocks (although didn't get as much) was orphan who found her way into another home, growing bonds she didn't fully understand at the time. By the end, she too realizes she already has her wish. Jack Horner. Jack was raised with loving parents, wealth, anything he could need and even says so himself. He eventually became less favored than the likes of Pinocchio, and sought after magical items excessively. He wants the last wish to have all the magic, and provides more than just opposition to puss, but the entirety of the Shrek universe(can't believe I'm genuinely speaking about the SCU rn). By the end, he alone suffers a death out of the antagonists, and his dying words are about his cruelty. He's also hilarious.

0:11, the movie has multiple villains. Jack is one of them.

They finally decided to bring Jimminy Cricket into the Shrek universe while Pinocchio was there from day one.... And the way they decided to use him was BRILLIANT! Jiminy just slowly just slowly loosing his mind more and more over the horrors Jack are doing with glee. ..... Can we take a moment to talk about how all of Jack's henchmen are literally only there for one purpose, to be KILLED. They all DIE. But! The death gags are dark and hilarious, but they are actually more than just gags... They are a constant and important reminder that death itself is always right behind Puss. Death is present even when he isn't seen. Death has taken all of these henchmen... He's here.... All the time. So it's not just a joke, it is that important reminder, and makes the audience constantly aware that yes... Puss could die. THESE guys are dead. For Puss to be scared of meeting the same fate as what he has just seen is very valid. And it works itself into that plot and the more emotional moments. That was STUPIDLY clever of this movie, and you don't even think about it until someone points it out. That just shows how clever it is.

I think that the battle with jack added a good relief to the fight with death. Especially as he is fighting with a new purpose and resolve.

Anyone else notice the broom jack pulled out of the bag walked just like the one from Fantasia?

this movie is an absolute masterpiece! Dreamworks only makes good movies but I think they really outdid themselves with this one

I honestly think giving Jack a good motive would take away from how unapologetically evil he is. The fact he’s going so far and killing so many people for no good reason is part of the reason I like him.

That "weight in gold" evil deed was so unnecessarily clever that I didn't even catch it the first time.

Awesome video.

Absolutely thought that the scenes should be flipped. As you know I'm a big furry now 😎 and Jack Horner being the big bad boss fight at the just didn't make much sense. Death kind of just amped the stakes so much so that the Jack Horner fight felt like the usual ending the storyboard writers fell back on to tie things up with Goldilocks and the others. Anways, I'm a big Death fan 😎.

1:51 I can sympathize with Death. Not Jack though.

i just adore his voice actor "your not gonna shoot a puppy are ya?" "yea in the face why?" "Your a horrible person?" "no way took you long enough idiot"

This is my own slight criticism of the movie's otherwise amazing writing, but I feel as though the Ethical Bug (his WikiShrek name) didn't quite live up to his moral potential. He does a good job diligently voicing his concerns while attempting to reason with Jack Horner. But there's a moment specifically during the final battle where the last remaining baker (Buzzsaw Baker) was calling to Jack Horner for help at the Wishing Star. Unfortunately, Jack barely acknowledges her, and she is pulled into the magical vortex and presumably perishes. Up until this point, the Ethical Bug had spent the entirety of the movie espousing the value of life (and finding the good in people) while showing his extreme disapproval of the deaths of the Baker's Dozen. So...my criticism is that why did the writers, after going to all the effort of creating the Ethical Bug's character, not have him practice what he preached by actually *_saving_* a life for once by helping the last remaining baker? Because just moments later, the Ethical Bug is shown riding in on the phoenix and finally being proactive!...It's just too bad that time was only used to show the Ethical Bug announcing his resignation and burning the map fragment. The movie could have easily had him arrive just a bit earlier in time to save the last baker, making good on his supposed value of all life when he is now in a capable position to do so. He would have had time to burn the map fragment right after anyway! Also, Goldilocks and the Three Bears even talk about taking over Jack Horner's bakery after he is gone. Who else would be better suited to help them run the bakery than a now grateful and reformed, former employee at of that same bakery? Idk, it just seemed like a wasted opportunity.

I dont think the fights in the end should have been flipped. I think its way more powerful for Pus to have the option to get his lives back in the face of death, but to chooses not to. Its way more satisfying for him to have a choice to get out of it the easy way. Only to show jow much he has grown.

Man, I love Jack Horner so much because he's not the cliché villain trope where your being guilt tripped to sympathize with him (and even better yet, he asks for no sympathy.) He is simply just down right cruel, wicked, and deviously destructive just for the fun of it and because he literally *wants* to be. Just pure greed for all the magic in the world just to straight dominate like a god (which I can't lie, I would love to do the same thing If I were honest because what a bad-ass motive.) I also love him because he's a villain with actual humor and a comical side. A beeg jokester. A beeg "hehe haha" type of guy.

3:17 "Don't you know I'm dead inside?" honestly the most relatable shit ive heard in 10 months

Dante theorized there is three forms of evil. The first is unaware evil, like when you eat unhealthy The second is violent evil, like when you beat someone up to get what you want The third is the worst and that is the aware evil, when you befriend someone to sleep with their partner. Jack Horner is the third kind of evil, he knows what he wants and he does whatever he needs to to get it, he may have a sad backstory but even in his end he only wants to know how he could've avoided this "what did I do specifically," he doesn't shy away from evil and feigns ignorance to his actions but he even feels a sense of accomplishment when people are horrified by him

This is what I know about good villains: If they don't have a good backstory, they GOTTA be badass.