It's quite depressing if you think about it. Living like that for absolute control and power. He detests EVERYTHING. It's so dark but so well done.

He has a self righteous "I'm perfect and good but everyone and everything around me is corrupt and evil" mindset.

Cut from the same cloth as the Nazis who were also obsessed with cleanliness

And more chilling: Not an inaccurate description of how much high-ranking people at that point in human history felt about everything around them. Be it kings, ministers, bishops or military leaders. The Dark Ages were called that for a multitude of reasons and that is one of them.

@@nuclearcatbaby1131 The helmets of his guards and everybody wearing black and thekr pogrom made me think of the nazis. There's also the "you were trained to follow orders, captain" line.

They're imparting different messages these days... such as "Women good, (white) men bad."

Even the princesses can have good stories. Cinderella’s story is a shining display of how to overcome abuse by not sinking to the same behavior of your abusers, but by being gentle and kind

Emperor Nero of Rome is said to have done very similar, he wanted to build Neropolis on the city of Rome's burnt ruins. To shift the blame, he falsely named the Christians and then had thousands of them murdered, some were slaughtered in the arena by animals and gladiators. Frollo is terrifyingly similar to him.

This movie didnt sell good, so they no longet make movies like this. Why make a dark film when very few will pay money vs movies that are more lighthearted with cliches?

@@KutWrite bruh that's something you could take away from THIS film

was it nostalgia critic by any chance?

It's a comment from Brian from the Rebellion

The symbolism, man

... fuck thats good

Would be funny if that's just a coincidence and they didn't put that much thought into things, they were just convenient.

Nice catch!!

I never noticed that! Thanks for pointing that out. Makes me want to watch "Hunchback" again

Wow this movie is just fantastic. It was already a damn good movie but little touches like that are just wow.

I never noticed that as a foreshadowing

@@singalingalongaling Well, it couldn’t have happened by accident, since it’s not live action. Someone had to create the specific animation.

@Greg Elchert I think it was because he mainly was a voice actor rather than live action. I don’t know all the films, tv or radio he did but he had a brief appearance in Twins and he did a number of video games as well. I can’t think of many other voices that matches tony jays dark and sinister tone.

Imo i feel like he actually knows what he's doing is wrong, he's just is unable to come to terms with it. Which is why he tries to come up with these excuses.

@@KvngLeroy1 I think it’s more prevalent after he encounters esmerelda. He was always a cruel man.

@@sambarton4470 oh, I haven't gotten a chance to read the book so i don't know about his early life

@@KvngLeroy1 I was referring more to the movie. I haven’t read the book, frollo is certainly a character you can experiment with though.

The Hellfire Song is the most dramatic reaction to a boner I’ve ever seen

Right like sir ... Don't blame God he will make sure you regret it lol on fact there are many times that you can see in the writing that God even gave him multiple times to be better. But he refuses.

@@ladyofnoxus6733 "Pharaoh hardened his heart." I truly like Frollo for this reason only--he reads like a biblical villain. The corrupt Pharisee/Sadducee who stands against Jesus, or the corrupt temple hierarchy allowing unlawful acts within the temple during the Prophetic books. He's quite well thought out and echoes an existing archetype--that of the corrupt priest.

@@mysteryjunkie9808 It's been jokingly called "the boner that burned down Paris."

@@ahumblemerchant241 I agree it's truly amazing and I miss this type of writing for disney films.

Same with Judge Doom he kills his own kind for no reason at all just like people do.

Catholics

@@BlueBedouin not only them

Absolutely

@@TCt83067695 A lot of salafist Muslims too or religious fascist types, they're actually pretty common.

Ooh, that’s good. 😮

DAMM😮

Yeah, I find a common part of growing up is being afraid of Disney villians as a child, dismissing them as overly simplistic cartoonish exaggerations of evil as an adolescent, and then looking backas an adult and going "nope, not only is that kind of evil absolutely real and even disturbingly common." and that not just applying to the more complex villains like this one.

Not as a person, but as a character. Love him!

And now, Emperor Belos (The Owl House) is his successor.

Me too. Im in my hunchback of notre dame phase again and Im obsessed with him

I agree with this 100%

IDK how Disney got away with it back then but I'm awfully glad they did!

@@straburyred back then people actually enjoyed things without nitpicking

@@straburyred twitter didn't exist back then.

Unfortunately, this movie wasn't a hit, so Disney decided to focus on tropes that they knew would sell. It's a shame because I really liked this movie, and it was something different.

Heaven's Light/Hellfire are my favorite songs in the film. I love how they juxtaposed them...simply brilliant

Yes!

Both the music and the illustrations that accompany it are masterful

And full of complexity,easter eggs, and internal conflict! I love it!

I am surprised 😮 Disney was allowed to Use the theme of God in a Kid's Movie 🎬 Has anyone Question If The hunchback of notre dame Is a children's film

@@jalenikezeue4114 just because it's animated it doesn't mean it's exclusively children's movie. I'd say it can be appreciated more by teenagers/young adults and parents

Interesting take. Considering that triangles in Christianity are associated with the holy trinity, this could have an even deeper meaning: where Frollo's religious beliefs are dangerous because he uses them to justify his selfish actions.

Indeed. It seems to reflect Clopin's question at the beginning of the movie where he asks, "What makes a monster and what makes a man?"

So far, my favorite adaptation is the 1939 version with Charles Laughton as the Hunchback and (Rrrrowww) Maureen O'Hara as Esmeralda. Cedrick Hardwicke of course is excellent as Frollo. I don't think it was true to the book's ending, though. I suspect the Disney version also wouldn't have been.

Have you seen the musical adaptation of Disney’s Hunchback of Notre Damn? I remember him having a more sympathetic backstory.

@@sentientmarshmallow4644 The Disney movie, story wise is closer to the 1939 adaptation with some updates and Disney flavor (Bloody Gargoyles) Likewise the 2015 musical, is a compromise of both the Disney film 🎥 (Music-modified lyrics to reflect the different story) and the original novel (Story-like restoring Frollo’s tragic and conflicted character arc as well as his Archdeacon profession)

I've seen the silent version with Lon Chaney as Quasimodo. I don't remember who played Frollo in that one. However I would like to see the version with Charles Laughton as Quasimodo sometime.

I think the musical version of the Hunchback (La Jolla Playhouse) does a good job in somewhat portraying this complexity, Patrick Page is an excellent Frollo. It's a real pity that this musical never made it to broadway and that we only hame slime versions of it to watch. I've watched every adaptation as well and it's true that Frollo is a tricky one to portray faithfully.

Absolutely, they didn't softball us and we turned into better people for it. Softballing kids makes them weak-willed and naive. These qualities lead to nothing but failure and misery.

@@drabarski Ironically, Disney's attempts to humanize the villains by giving them their own movies have made them have less impact. I didn't hold out any hope for Maleficent, and I'm not about to do the same for the Cruela DeVille's movie either.

That's why I never watched them nor do I plan to start now!

The animation studio took risks. Corporate kept screwing with the artists to make things more family friendly and marketable. I.e black cauldron

Brilliant point, everyone now is scared shitless of offending the woke mob

This guy committed all the seven deadly sins and also broke all the ten commandments

The thing is this kind of stuff could be avoided if they didn't repress themselves sexually to such a ridiculous extent and instead had some moderate self control and healthy relationships.

@@karlazeen but that’s the thing: religion encourages and demands for people to feel guilt for normal sexual attractions. It’s one of the core believers that one of the most healthiest and individualistic part of humanity(sex) is considered a “sin” and some tonight to be restricted and repressed. And in patriarchal religions (which are like basically all of them) men are considered above women and above sexual “sin”. This attitude wouldn’t exist if not for the sex negativity that is inherent to religion. And no it’s not just “extreme” religions that do this. These men have been indoctrinated to believe their normal desires are evil, they didn’t come to that conclusion themselves. No healthy person comes to such a ridiculous conclusion, it’s has to be taught like any other evil ideology.

When it comes to the darkest Disney villains, the Coachman from Pinocchio is up there with Frollo imo. He's some sort of enigmatic man who lures children to his island so that he can transform them into donkeys and then be sold off to salt mines to be worked to death. While he may have a more fairy tale-ish luster to him, the Coachman is very much an allegory for human trafficking and possibly pedophile rings if the fact that he is kidnapping, abusing, and exploiting children for profit/his own sadistic pleasure is taken into account.

@@darinlunderman8063 my God I never thought of that - though the Coachman and the kids' transformation certainly creeped me out as a child. More to the point, he doesn't suffer any kind of comeuppance or negative consequences for his actions.

It is present in the church too, not only one religion, almost all religions

For me there is only one other disney villian whose performance can stand to toe with Frollo in my opinion. And thats The Horned King play by John Hurt. When I was kid, that guy scared the crap of out of me. He looked cool, sounded intimadating, and his plan was the most dark any disney villian beside Frollo. All the other villians in disney are so petty in their goals, (Gaston and Radcliffe are to example) they want gold, they want the princess. The horn king and Frollo (and to a lesser extent Hades) want to be divine. Frollo plays the lives of people as if he was the boot to an ant and The Horned King wants to resurect an army of the living dead. Thats what I miss in Disney villians. People say they were so cool, like Scar and Jafar (not bad in my opinion, but just the standard.). But I want villians who were in these fleating momments and actually a threat.

@@dylantennant6594 with alot of Disney villains I find the darkest stuff about them is often implied in what TV Tropes would call Fridge Horror. Jafar's definitely in this category to me. His reaction to the thief's death and how casual and almost playful he is when preparing to kill Aladdin just screams that this guy is accustom to using people and then eliminating them or simply not giving a good shit if they die serving his purposes. And this the man shadow ruling a kingdom by brainwashing and hypnotizing its monarch.

Jeremy Irons - Frollo AND Scar....

@@Andrea-nom Judge Frollo was voiced by Tony Jay

No one could have voiced Frollo as well as Tony Jay. RIP.

And also Febo contributed to her death. The only one who truly loved Esmeralda was Quasimodo.

And then Quasimodo crawled into her tomb to die holding her, as far as I remember. It was a touching moment.

@@TheKing-qz9wd be starved to death next to her was not sweet was dark ending

@@mysteryjunkie9808 Oh, so I did miss a detail. Eh. Thanks though, killed my brother's simp jokes.

@@TheKing-qz9wd Oh, yeah. It's sweet and heartbreaking at the same time when you read the lines about the two skeletons together.

Lowkey me sometimes

Basically echoing the pharisee in the parable "The pharisee and the publican."

I relate a lot to this line and Frollo in that song in general, I love this chaarcter

God: Well if you insist...

@@wessmoore7894 Exactly lol. Love me some Ironic deaths in fiction.

That verse doesn't exist in the Bible.

​​@@zzzzzzzzzzzkTo be fair, neither does the word "Hell" in the original manuscripts. I think the old Testament used the Hebrew word "Gehanna", but that just seems to translate to something more like "beyond the grave" rather than "hell". Then the New Testament blatantly rips off and villainizes Greek Mythology with a dozen mentions of HADES, as in the Greek's afterlife. I think only one modern-day instance of "hell" mentioned even comes close to matching the intent of the word it replaced, and that was one instance of "Tartarus"... which was blatantly ripped off of the Greeks. The concept of "hell" as we know it didn't come until about 750 years after the time of the New Testament's original creation.

What's interesting is that with the whole "religious hypocrisy" thing, the New Testament NEVER supports racism and ethnic hatred, the opposite in fact. Jesus and later His disciples welcomed men and women whether Jew or Gentile (there's even a story about a visiting African being welcomed by the church and coming to the faith). This is why Frollo is so dangerous. He's WORSE than a hypocrite and a monster, he's a false teacher in the church. The Bible warns about such men (Peter and Paul specifically mention this), and says to drive them out.

And at the same time it still somehow manages to teach children that these are _bad_ aspects of humanity, and that in order to be a good person you have to be wary of them.

And this movie is still rated G

@@thunderbird1921 Go somewhere else with your No True Scotsman.

@@saagabragi6938 Absolutely not "No True Scotsman". Just because you had one class on fallacies doesn't make you an expert.

Agreed, it's certainly better than that awful computer Pixar crap that they pass off as "art."

@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 I don’t just mean the animation either, though that’s also beautiful, but rather how the whole product comes together as a meaningful work.

@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 I enjoyed Pixar's Wall-E though.

@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 lol imagine thinking art made on a computer isn't real art

@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 ?

People that think they r above Everyone else and r blameless Or heroes when they r actually The villains their r a lot of people like that actually.

Except his hair

@@rockhistoria2537 true. And he was shown to care about his horse!😁

@@joshualowe959 yeah it's pretty wholesome! I am glad the horse is okay!😄

@@rockhistoria2537 but everything else about Frollo is pure darkness. There was evil going IN & OUT of Frollo and Frollo was evil from beginning to end.

@@joshualowe959 i don't really know what to say, since this comment is extremely accurate and I don't have anything especial to say, so I just gonna say: *Y E S*

Well, second only to mad madame Mim of course.

@@unclefranklin4575 To me, she wasn’t meant to be taken seriously. She was all bark and no bite( as the wizards duel ultimately showed). Frollo was menacing and showed the depths of his evil right from the start, all under the guise being a man of god. What can be more horrible than that?

@@Dhampir101980 I was being sarcastic but that's a great description of the character.

@@unclefranklin4575 oh, my bad lol

I mean, not *that* complex. He’s a huge narcissist who manipulates everyone for his own personal gain. He’s a sadist, cowardly, desperate, hate filled, and… and… yeah the more I write this the more I see your point. I guess my only problem with him is that he has *zero* redeeming qualities. Like none. Not even a semi decent excuse of being maligned by society, or maybe having some sort of experience he misinterpreted.

From what I’ve read, Frollo is actually the Disney Villain with the most amount of screen time dedicated to him.

@@WhirlwindandHeatburst He's as much as star of the movie as Quasimodo and imho he eve overshadowed the other characters. Like most of the scenes I remember are HIS scenes

@@nunyabiznes33 Honestly, I think Frollo straight up carries the movie. 😂

@@nunyabiznes33 You're right. I mean... as said in the beginning, it's not just the tale of one. It is a tale of a man... and a monster.

Frollo is basically a villain protagonist. He steals the entire flick and it's as much his movie as it is Quasimodo's. Heck, the movie starts with Frollo, not Quasi, so you could argue that he's the main character.

In the book he had good intentions with Quasimodo but his true self gradually came to light

What about the novel.

Damn straight!

Eh, he’s alright. Fairly one dimensional, even though he is one of the best villains Disney has made

Cromwell from "Wolfwalkers" reminds me of Frollo.

The Joker is

@@driveoff131 true but too many interpretations currently that have a such a range from slap stick to dark

Hugo: HA! Told ya! Pay up!

Lady Tremaine is another realistic villain as well, and her motivations are both selfish and narcissistic at the same time.

becfause in essence he did. the spainish inquistion or Salem Witch trails did happen

True. But, it's the burning of Paris, for me. As his lust and self delusions heighten, more and bigger fires are seen. They directly represent Frollo's imbalanced, emotional state. These types burn things down instead of dealing with their issues

I admit I wouldn't mind seeing an analysis of Lady Tremaine and Gaston. What makes the former so frightening is like Frollo she exists in many places of the world, and while she does not have Frollo's power and authority, abusive parents like her may as well in the eyes of their children. She didn't care that Cinderella marrying the prince instead of her own daughters would still give her the free ride into high society that she's wanted, she wouldn't dare allow her step-daughter to escape her tyrannical grip no matter how much it may benefit her. Gaston stands out because he is the Beast's opposite in every way, but more then that is his journey is a stark contrast to the Beast's. The Beast starts out more feral and ill-tempered and rather scary, while Gaston is charming and in control of himself and a bit of a buffoon. Then a defining moment with Belle changes that. The Beast learns to change and becomes more human, while Gaston grows more obsessive and cruel, becoming more monstrous. This is definitely shown in the final battle, where the Beast now dresses in nicer, undamaged clothes and stands more upright with softer features, while Gaston becomes disheveled, slouching like an animal, while grinning like a maniac and snarling his lines.

@@shadejakva9367 The reason why these three villains are so memorable is because they feel like real people that DO exist. These aren't evil sorcerers like Jafar, Ursula or Maleficent, these are ordinary humans. The catch is that they're abusive, filled with greed, power-hunger and self-righteousness, and they don't need magic powers to be dangerous.

Christopher Lee would have been my #1 choice.

What about Ben Mendlesohn 🤗

Charles Dance would make an excellent Frollo! Hope we get to see that!

Tim Curry, if the filming would have been completed before his stroke.

Heck yeah missed oppurtinity Alan Rickman was the firsr choice Peter Calpaldi was my second.

Basically everyone on Twitter

@@dylanroemmele906 Most people on social media in general, really.

@@TheChaosDragoness Pretty much

@@dylanroemmele906 this is a safe haven from that cesspit. For now

Mmm. I wouldn't say that. If you believe yourself to be awful, you're never gonna try to be anything but awful.

@Rebecca Woolf Yep

Definitely!

Not just that he seems realistic, but that people just like him HAVE existed and even still exist now.

@@jeffreypalmers9161 frollo definitely reminds me of a lot of many conservative/right wing politicians. Even his obsessive lust for what he hates is accurate for many of them

But his five of the seven deadly sins is nothing, compared to someone like my mother, who's known for ALL SEVEN of them!

True. This was a serious movie. Disney will never do something like this again.

If that's a guarantee that Frollo will stand out even more amongst Disney's rouges gallery, I'll content myself with that!

May I introduce you to such a character? *points at Griffith from Berserk by Mirua*

@@buffbroly8169 He's older than this version of Frollo lol

i mean there are better villains

@@tobsonasanya4765 Maybe but Frollo is one of the best

I can see that in the form of memes and Hellfire is just too good to be cut out, yes there was an attempt to do that but fortunately the artists were able to find a way to keep it like the fire 🔥 sprite of Esmeralda that’s originally supposed to be naked in order to reflect Judge Frollo’s “Unholy thoughts 💭 ” is instead fully clothed because bloody censorship even the directors agree that it’s way too good to be cut out Did you know that: In the book 📖 by Victor Hugo, Claude Frollo is an Archdeacon his original profession and is a much greyer character than Disney’s incarnation because of marring their movies with “black and white bullshit” (I mean to say that because I personally do not find such stories compelling, it’s too predictable) Since having a priest as a villain in a Disney movie 🎥 is a big no-no (Disney characters aren’t usually allowed to utter the name of “God” just look at the “Let it Go” song by Elsa it’s originally going to be a Villain song “Heaven knows I’ve tried” LOL 😆), they intentionally changed his profession to that of a Judge because of the fear of offending religious groups and divided his character into 2 as the result: the unnamed Archdeacon-Frollo’s conscious self and Judge Frollo-Frollo’s animalistic self to make their version of the character transition from morally complex to simply evil just because (cuz Disney) in doing so, they’ve only simplified his character into something of a caricature that while a bit realistic (I am very sure there are much better examples to address the problems that they want to tackle like Tomas de Torquemada), lacks the nuances of the very real problems that the movie wants to address like racism, ableism, sexism, lookism etc…it’s a 2-way street-anyone is capable of such vices Which means that, it is bold for a Disney movie (themes of Damnation and religion) but is not that bold in hindsight when compared to other media that also tackles similar issues in a more mature manner, didn’t I say that it’s a 2 way street? And what Disney did to Claude Frollo is not any different to what they did to Hades a year later after the movie came out it’s called Adaptational Villainy Some people here are mentioning the 2015 stage musical of Hunchback with Patrick Page as Archdeacon Frollo and there’s a video entitled “Why Disney’s Frollo is way too Evil” Sorry for the long rant I just have to release my frustrations about what Disney did

I think part of it is because they made him 3-dimensional without going the "Oh, his daddy didn't hug him enough. He's really a good guy. Those "Gypsies" were really Nazis and he was protecting the real Romani, really." route. He has depth and complexity, but he's also solidly evil. He can't become good because he thinks he's already good and is too narcissistic and "holier than thou" to see any of his faults, blaming everyone for his faults. Nowadays, many writers are afraid to go the Frollo route. No, the bad guy has to be the real good guy or has to at least make a good point if they have to have any "depth".

Anybody remember back before COVID when Notre Dame was set on fire?

IVE likes my own comment😂.

I agree!

That's interesting and having not seen the stage show I feel like I need to see it now.

@@beepot2764 oh you should! It is so so very good! It’s a wonderful blend of the book and Disney’s story and I believe youtube has some fairly good quality recordings. Removal of the gargoyles as comic relief was a godsend, and of course all the original songs from the movie are there and are as fantastic as always, and any of the new added ones are mind bogglingly good and really add to the depth and darkness of the story.

@@beepot2764 There's two VERY good bootlegs on youtube, just search for it and watch either of the top ones! Camera's not the crispest but the sound is perfect for what it is. The actors are amazing.

@@SithLadyDarhVamp thank you! I know what I'll be listening to today while working lol.

Did you get that information from a video reaction to Disney’s 34th Entry? 😆 😆 😆 😆 I am being green minded here “Unholy thoughts” That is not the first time it happened because of bloody censorship, the 1956 version has Frollo as an alchemist “officially” except his garments are that of a priest and is said to live in the titular cathedral So both versions have different official occupations (Alchemist 1956, Judge 1996) but their shape of clothing looks like a priest’s to dodge censorship (sneaky touch 😆) and Judge Frollo is called “Minister” (this one’s double whammy ecclesiastical/political) in the Hellfire sequence

@@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 lmao that's actually really interesting! I dont remember where I got the information, it all kinda blends together in my head, but with the amount of time I spend on KZfaq its entirely possible that video was the source.

I mean he is kinda a priest

Not to mention, there were already movies coming out in the late 20th century that had Christian characters depicted as obsessive, psychotic fanatics, to show how corrupt some people can become by their religion.

His appearance is actually more in line with a French judge of the period than a priest. Yes, he wears black robes, but a priest would wear something simpler. Even Archdeacons or Bishops tend to wear simpler and more fitted clothing than the long and flowing robes this version of Frollo wears. You can even see it on the priest at the beginning of the film (or bishop . . . I don't know if his rank was confirmed). He wears the attire of a judge. Typically dark and flowing robes that just about touch the floor with the tricorn (judges during the medieval and Renaissance periods liked their important looking hats) being the cherry on top. It's a very regal apperance that Catholic priests and officials don't tend to illicit, save the Pope. Even then, white and black are all that priests tend to wear. Frollo's color scheme is clearly meant to be representative of his own personal traits. You can make of them what you will, but the black is pretty plainly painting him as a portent of doom or a bringer of death (black is usually used to represent death or the Grim Reaper). The red is for his evil and cruel nature, visually linking him to Satan or some other evil (red is often used to show that someone is evil or demonic (ie Satan, Jafar, and many more)). The purple is probably representative of either his nobility in society or of the sorrow he brings upon Paris with his overflowing lust for both power and for Esmeralda. It could represent both just as easily (purple is usually used to represent great sorrow and tragedy or great wealth and nobility, as purple dye even until the 1800s was inordinately expensive). Like I said, the colors can mean many things, but those are the most obvious. Yes, I am out of high school, and yes I did take Honors Literature classes while there. I apologize.

Not to mention the hands off way he "raised" Quasimodo, which he did out of reluctance in the first place.

Yes... Ramses played by Yul Brynner!

Rameses would be so great to see.

Ramses would be neat

Rameses? Yes. There’s so much to analyze!

Also Rameses in the animated prince of egypt. Good God Ralph Fiennes VA was so great.

Too bad Alan Rickman is gone. He would've been excellent as Frollo in the live-action remake. Judge Turpin in "Sweeney Todd" was the closest he got.

@@straburyred same with Christopher Lee.

Yeah. The stageplay actually took more from the original novel than the Disney movie adaptation. We all love the movie but honestly? If you love this story, read and re-read the original novel.

I loved him as a villain in the animated film because of this and it was the same reason why I hated what they did to his character in the live action version. He is a jock, celebrated and admired by everyone in town, that's what makes him powerful and scary.

Gaston's the type everyone thinks is a great guy until it comes out he's a serial killer.

@@VNightmoon I wouldn't say Gaston is a true villain ,But he's total narcissist,Sexist and misogynist asshole who become way too obsessed with Bell and pretty much becomes a stalker,That what makes him a villain.I would put it pass him if he try to sexually assault her.

Beauty and the Beast is probably the only bad Disney film made in regards to message. 1) Beast held her hostage and was mostly awful to her. 2) Gaston was well liked and was successful in his many ways and could have provided greatly for her despite some of his personality flaws. 3) Positioning humility as the best trait lowers people’s self-esteem and can actually make people extremely passive, instead of rewarding the charismatic (like real life does). 4) Disney’s message was practically that beauty can change a monster, which has probably confused an entire generation of women. 5) It made Gaston into a terrible villain when he was just a guy who wanted to protect the village he lived in and, because of social mores at the time, couldn’t take no for an answer. 6) it derides the simple way of life for being simple. Sure, most of mankind’s greatest inventions were made as a result of people not being simple, but deriding people for not being above 130 IQ level is silly.

@Oklahoma Boomer 1) Belle offered to stay in her father's place. That same night, she proved she could leave at any time. She also could have left the Beast for dead, gone home, and didn't. There was an understanding from that point on that the Beast needed to behave or he'd lose her. Later in the movie, she's shown taking Philipe from the stables, which proves she still has her way home if she chooses. There was literally nothing keeping her there except her promise. 2) Gaston is a predator and a psychopath. Watch the scene where he barges into Belle's house. He talks over her, disregards her desires, NEVER asks her what she wants, and often imposes himself over her. Belle is often putting furniture between them because he won't respect her boundaries. Note that this is long before he tries to blackmail her into marriage. Oh, and he organized a wedding without even asking her. Those aren't "personality flaws". Those are the traits of an abuser. 3) It's not just humility. It's respect for other people. See everything I listed about Gaston? The Beast does the opposite over the course of the film: -He compromises with her -He considers what SHE wants too (hence the library scene) -He does what's right by her even when it's hard (letting her go even though he'll be a beast forever). Gaston, again, NEVER considers what Belle wants or what's best for her. 4) See point 2. Gaston is not a good person. Period. 5) Explain. The only ones doing any deriding were the townsfolk. Women reading and people making inventions are neither weird nor crimes.

I would agree. He's definitely the type of person who folks in the atheist community label as "intellectually lazy".

Yep pretty much, he is an intellectually lazy person. Instead of actually putting in the effort to work through these feelings he decides to repress and release them in the most violent ways.

Not only that, but in his lust for Esmeralda, he resolves to force her to choose between him and her pyre. Frollo is, ultimately, unwilling to put any effort to get what he wants if it’s more complicated than “stab that guy.”

No the most underrated was Sykes-from Oliver and Company

You know, you’re not alone in having sexual attraction to Frollo in fact there’s fan communities for that I am NOT berating you for it I am just saying that it’s not as “unusual” as you think, because clearly Frollo has something that will make him attractive to some people like having a voice that oozes of sex whenever he says something especially of the suggestive variety or having qualities that makes him a desirable partner like a strong sense of devotion; of course we must also remember that there is NO such thing as a “perfect/ideal” partner the pros simply need to weigh out the cons By the way, did you read the original novel by Victor Hugo? If you know of it, you can definitely tell that Disney “inversed” the personalities of the major characters to fit in their “black and white” formula like what they did to Phoebus where he lives up to the “Knight in Shining Armor” archetype in the Disney film 🎥 in contrast to the book depiction where personality wise behaves more like a real jackass. Also, in the book 📖 the characters are all of varying shades of gray, everyone has their strengths and flaws and their respective fatal obsessions will kill them literally

I was obsessed with Frollo after watching this movie as a kid, and I still think he's hot. there, said it. 😂🤦🏼‍♀️🔥

Okay, good to know I'm not alone. He gives me Severus Snape vibes.

Looking back at this atypical Disney movie 🎥, in some scenes from the book 📖, they further amplify them by combining the Feast of Fools scene (just merely celebration 🎊 ) with the flogging of Quasimodo the next day (for attempted kidnapping) towards-> from celebrating 🥳 the new King🤴of Fools for the ugliest face to making fun at him in the worst way possible (Quasi didn’t do anything to deserve such public torture at the pillory) and in some scenes, they were toned down for the movie to be passable for the Rated G-Spot like the church ⛪️ scene where in the book 📖 it’s originally attempted rape by Frollo towards Esmeralda in “The Keys 🔑 to the Red Door🚪” to a scene of sexual assault where he snuck behind her, sniffs her hair in arousal, threatens her to be hanged at the gallows (it gets suggestive) and then it stops by elbowing him to his gut Also, Did you know: In the book 📖 by Victor Hugo, Claude Frollo is an Archdeacon his original profession and is a much greyer character than Disney’s incarnation because of marring their movies with “black and white bullshit” (I mean to say that because I personally do not find such stories compelling, it’s too predictable) Since having a priest as a villain in a Disney movie 🎥 is a big no-no (Disney characters aren’t usually allowed to utter the name of “God” just look at the “Let it Go” song by Elsa it’s originally going to be a Villain song “Heaven knows I’ve tried” LOL 😆), they intentionally changed his profession to that of a Judge because of the fear of offending religious groups and divided his character into 2 as the result: the unnamed Archdeacon-Frollo’s conscious self and Judge Frollo-Frollo’s animalistic self to make their version of the character transition from morally complex to simply evil just because (cuz Disney) in doing so, they’ve only simplified his character into something of a caricature that while a bit realistic (I am very sure there are much better examples to address the problems that they want to tackle like Tomas de Torquemada), lacks the nuances of the very real problems that the movie wants to address like racism, ableism, sexism, lookism etc…it’s a 2-way street-anyone is capable of such vices Which means that, it is bold for a Disney movie (themes of Damnation and religion) but is not that bold in hindsight when compared to other media that also tackles similar issues in a more mature manner, didn’t I say that it’s a 2 way street? And what Disney did to Claude Frollo is not any different to what they did to Hades a year later after the movie came out it’s called Adaptational Villainy Some people here are mentioning the 2015 stage musical of Hunchback with Patrick Page as Archdeacon Frollo and there’s a video entitled “Why Disney’s Frollo is way too Evil” Sorry for the long rant I just have to release my frustrations about what Disney did