Why did Lavos switch out Breloom after the flinch? It lived another Waterfall, so shouldn't he have tried to stay in and Spore again? edit: goldfish memory somehow forgot about the Taunt only a couple turns ago

He was Taunted!

​@@BKCplaysPokemonAwake doesn't begin to describe mcmegan's gyarados

Just wondering, did you see the interview on Callous Narrates' channel 3 years ago (so 2 years after this incident) with Lavos? I thought it gave a pretty decent further insight into what was known about Lavos and some added details on how that copypasta came to be. Then again, in the context of this video which examined what happened and what was known at that time moreso than what we know now, I suppose the relevance of that interview may be null.

Evil lavos real

I will engage with competitive Pokemon until I die, and I hope to awaken to a flippant welcoming when I engage with you all. This community is blessed to its leaves and this blessing grows stronger and even overflows. Tournaments still have a competitive spirit represented by an organ that homeostatically thrives on encouragement and camaraderie from adults that enjoy sportsmanship and are humble. The environment fostered here has created a virtuous cycle (or at least a good negative feedback), and remaining here could require no explanation because just hanging out here is significant enough to me. This will not be the end, but I may take a break after such a hard tournament.

One last thing before i leave you all to react with praise, admiration, and selfless warmth. Before you do everything in your power to maximize my words and thoughts, keep them in the center of your memory and hope they stay forever on your infinite time in this world. From this moment on, everything you say matters to me. The sincerest complements you hurl with intent to heal will roughly settle at the earth before my hands, and the love you spit, will bring all the warmth of a warm summer breeze. You are more than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, unfilled with sadness distilled from attachment.

Hi Lavos from the universe in which harambe survived

I had a good laugh reading this

The almighty urge on the internet to have perfectly fine subjective opinions on something, but so overblown and rationalized that nobody can take them seriously. It blows my mind that some people wanted to look so smart about not wanting kids that there’s an entire child hatred cult on Reddit

He was a huge bigot he would've been a meme regardless.

the reason why everyone clowned on him (aside from his shakesperian soliloquy) was because he was a massive asshole. he was good at mons and insanely good at gsc no doubt, but you dont get to be a pos and disregard everyone else and then whine and complain when you get haxxed rllly badly one time :((( like pls get a grip lmfao

​@@Freezermansaccountno I doubt that, I wouldn't be surprised if there are players that share similar views but are still considered knowledgeable and skilled plays simply because the way they express those views isn't in the same breadth as whatever Lavos' Shakespearean soliloquy was trying to accomplish. To say he would've been been mocked back then considering that in the grand scheme of things Smogon has only relatively recently stopped being the competitive Pokémon equivalent of 4chan (never ask why Koffin is the mascot) just doesn't track imo, especially when nowadays the fact such a core moral failing is basically treated as a footnote on his legacy along the lines of: *_"Lavos was a really good player who had a meltdown over a bad game of Pokémon and quit in a hilariously overly pompous and edgy fashion. ᴼʰ ʸᵉᵃʰ ᵃⁿᵈ ʰᵉ ʷᵃˢ ᵃⁿ ᵇᶦᵍᵒᵗᵗᵉᵈ ᵃˢˢʰᵒˡᵉ ᵗᵒᵒ ˢᵒ ⁿᵒᵗʰᶦⁿᵍ ᵒᶠ ᵛᵃˡᵘᵉ ʷᵃˢ ˡᵒˢᵗ ᶦᵍ."_*

He was so salty that he said "fuck this rng hellhole of a game, and fuck you all, I'm done" in the most unnecessarily verbose way possible.

Forget 9/11, maybe don’t forget January 6th, but especially never forget July 4th (Smogon Edition)

The Agency is always watching!

I can celebrate both at the same time, independence from a singular mons player I'll never play against

The real Independence Day

Bc Lavos was actually good at something

@@maxmustermann5590 America used to be great at free speech prior to Trump not clamping down on corporate censorship.

@@pantsumonster google Kent State 1970 for more examples of great American free speech

I’d like to solve the puzzle for what actually happened in the whole videos not even five minute in: Two historically good Pokemon players played each other, it got very close, and RNG did it’s job as a tiebreaker

Little did we all know he had a seventh Stormlight Archives character on his team; mental illness

@@josiebianchi3481this is such a banger

Rachi flinch OK. Breloom double flinch + heatran flinch? Nah bruh. Unfortunate doesn't even begin to describe it

To be fair, the flinches coming off Jirachi are 60% likely to happen, so slightly better odds than a coin flip every time. Waterfall has a 20% chance, so for it to flinch 3 out of the 4 hits where it doesn't KO a Pokemon (75% flinches) is WAY off of the expected rate, especially worse since it happens at crucial points.

60% vs 20% probability, it is different

his lead mops half your team but "you had him", okay

But it's true though.

By saying that, it just comes off as Lavos being hilariously underprepared for one of the most pivotal meta threats in the tier. Like you’re saying you built a team that was *this* weak to DD Gyarados?

@@Cosplaybuddygiraffes moment when match-up fishing backfires xD

yeah, I'm not THAT into comp pokemon, but although yeah rng was VERY bad for him, I think this actually boils down to a skill issue. But the part that always has me is "what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not". What a way to accidentally say "I didn't deserve any of what I have".

so real

He wrongly named his thundurus therian which is funny

swampert being Laggron is hilarious to me, it sounds like a name someone would use on smogon in 2009

Shoutouts to Ronflex, Tropikeur and Millobellus.

Tyranocif my beloved

Yeah in my mind this happened like 20 years ago and so I was so confused how he had the names. Turns out this drama is more fresh than I realized!

I believe all the nicknames are stormlight characters

Hisho is correct, it looks like all nicknames are from Stormlight Archive

Well. That explain why his post was verbally rich.

Lol

He probably got tired of people being weird

I wonder why he bothered in the first place. You either do that stuff in the beginning or not. And even when you do that’s the end of whatever peace you have unless you casually rabidly safeguard whatever privacy and peace you have left.

@@iantaakalla8180 It's because OBS was giving him problems a few weeks ago

Really? To me it seems like It had to be ancient lore, like 10 years ago or more

How he was exactly? I only know him for this specific episode.

@@Luzbel809 He was a toxic piece of shit

This may have been funny, and he is absolutely correct that Pokémon is a game of chance we all just accept and build around with power creep or forgotten mechanics to make it worse, but very literally the next line after the supposed deconstruction of Pokémon battling as a whole a comment makes clear Lavos has been hostile for quite some time and this tantrum is the last straw.

Are you done archiving

@@june9914 no my disk burner is only 5Kb/S

If I'm doing my math correctly, the double Speed-tie-Sing sequence is about a .076% chance? Yeah, that's some bullshit right there. Can't really say Lavos closes it out if not for that, but definitely valid frustration.

You're not wrong, but RBY is an EXTREMELY rng-driven metagame. You do what you can to hedge, but the simple fact is that it's a meta where you don't break through without hitting low accuracy moves, winning speed ties, landing freezes/full paras, or critical hits. This is a meta where slam/slam/beam is a THING. Chansey and reflect snorlax are both borderline unbreakable without significant hacks.

Ye, both of those sleeps mattered for sure. But that's the nature of RBY and Lavos still chose to go for a second 50/50 knowing what could happen. He gambled and lose the coinflip twice. Both sings hitting is roughly 30% odds.

@@DisastrousIntentionallysings have to hit + speed tie

Neither Sing was a must-hit on those specific turns, one of the reasons Sing Chans is good is it gets a lot of opportunities. Obviously still fortunate though

Lavos is just a huge hypocrite. Shows others no respect but demands it himself, hates rng but frequently used rng based mechanics like scarf iron head rachi, etc. he complains about issues that he is massively a part of

​@@cultofmelThere's literally nothing hypocritical about pointing out certain tools being overtuned makes the game unfun, while still using those tools to win, especially at a high level.

@@Pyroniusburn To engage in behavior that opposes your own stated beliefs is hypocrisy.

@@cultofmel Yeah it's a good thing his belief is *not* "you suck because you relied on luck", but instead "the game sucks because relying on luck is way too powerful" isn't it then? It's not hypocritical for a fighting game player to call a character broken and unhealthy for the game and still play them in tournament, they're trying to win.

@@Pyroniusburn So he's still a hypocrite then??? If he thinks a game is bad, for him to play the game is hypocritical. He still was engaging in an activity that goes against his stated beliefs.

oops lol yes

Switching to Jirachi directly is also dangerous. There's a good chance Gyarados just clicks Waterfall instead of trying to set up turn 1 and chunks your Rachi. Especially since lead Gyara is sometimes CB. Switching your own Gyarados in first allows you to scout Waterfall/CB without it even gaining attack if it does DD. And even if the opponent does DD twice, the opponent has to decide to stay in and click Waterfall and lose their Gyarados to ThunderPunch 80% of the time. They might just switch out instead of risking that, and even if they risk that, you come out ahead 80% of the time. So basically you are hedging against turn 1 Waterfall while still coming out ahead the vast majority of the time if they don't. But of course Lavos got the worst case scenario.

@@DJFracus very fair points. i think though my final point about mcmeghan putting on the pressure right away and lavos folding was pretty accurate though in this set

This was great. It's honestly super crazy seeing how much every metagame has evolved since this match despite the most recent of the bunch being like six years old at the time.

My go-to move is to double to scarf thunder punch flygon on dragon dance

Eh this is a once in a blue moon type thing

@june9914 it still shows the deranged potential RNG holds in Competitive Pokemon.

Ok I guess youtube gets mad when you put a link in a comment, but you’ll find it if you search Lavos vs McMegan

​@@AGC_MBC Ty

Wasn't adamant nature since it outspeed, unless it's somehow scarf adamant chomp which is bad since you get outspeed by base 100 scarf

@@Lynx-xl7iy I re did the calcs based on the damage and common ev spreads, if it was speed nature then it was still a low roll for damage in most cases. I would need to know exact ev spreads and the hp number (not %) to know for sure though.

well he said weird shit but wasnt he complaining about perma flinch and para somewhere, maybe i mixed it up with another rage post

Flinch and para are why Lavos lost against McMeghan in that match, so he would complain about it.

Haven't people been complaining about this for as long as it's been in the games?

Yes. However, only now are people starting to realize they had accepted what is actually such an oversized influence on games simply by allowing the paralysis status, and especially in Gen 9 where setup sweepers exist even one flinch against the best counter is probably a win. That is, people are now realizing para and flinching should have been more contentious and only various subtle details prevented that.

Correct, but winners write the history books

@@pantsumonster i mean it’s also the fact that celebrating the day we declared independence is a lot cooler than celebrating the day we signed a peace treaty

@@emperortoho ye I guess

@@pantsumonster I mean yeah but we didn't even win on July 4th I mean the war hadn't even started on July 4th.

​@@chicken29843Then why is the historic justification for July 4th being the celebrated day?