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@@walterwhite1348 Thanks

Very nice

@@mohammedsirajuddin8541 Let's see Paul Allen's comment about Dafoe

@@mohammedsirajuddin8541 Thanks

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He brought a fruitcake.

- You killed Allen! - No, you are wrong... - WRONG, AM I?!

You know I’m something of an American psycho myself

Damn I had already commented this without knowing this one existed

American Psycho fans when their mask of heterosexuality slips:

Because Patrick is a loser, he’s like an edgy 9 year old saying he has a secret inner demon and is a sociopath that’s gonna kill people because he saw a sonic.exe video. He thinks he’s this big complex murderer who everyone respects and fears but in reality he’s just a loser.

@@ant2631 nibba what

That’s only selfish emotions. He is afraid of getting caught. He has no identifiable emotions for anyone else that isn’t negative.

well he did say the only feelings he has are greed and disgust, and fear is pretty like the same

Nice catch, never noticed that

It's interesting how he doesn't react to the light shining directly into his eyes, almost as if he's dead inside

If that was intentional This movie is fucking genius Even more than I already knew it was

@@nightstriker2172 I once read that Kimball did that because psycopaths are very good at controlling these stimuli.

You mean like a regular laser

Ooh that’s a great thought, love it.

That is a brilliant observation, all I ever thought was that they spliced up these three to send in an element of mystery, as mystery is always intriguing. Great thought

I actually can’t tell the difference even after watching the movie a bunch of times and this video a bunch of times I still have trouble knowing which is which in fact I kind of disagree I feel like the detective knows and is just baiting him the whole time that’s my opinion

@@JkComedy444 No you don't get it wrong. It will not help how many times you watch the movie or scenes from it. The point is, we are watching the events like the way Bateman sees and feels about them

No shit it literally says that at the start of the video

i feel like this is further solidified by how much salt patrick dumps on his food.

Someone observed that the "yuppies" never actually consume any of their food, in fact, in the whole movie, out of all the "dinner" scenes, only Jean and Kimball are seen consumign anything (Jean actually eats the sorbet given to her by Patrick, while Kimball eats his dinner in the 3rd scene). In fact, in an ironic turn, Kimball is also the only one to be seen not drinking anything either, politely declining the offer.

It could also be that he was just keeping his hands busy as an anxiety coping mechanism, while he delivers his act he had been preparing methodically since he last met the detective. Or it could be that recalling the night in question immediately induced batemans hands to tremble compulsively, and he grabbed the salt to find an inconspicuous reason for his hands to shake.

@@JohnBigOz in the book he never eats either. When he did he ended up throwing it up in the bathroom before he killed his ex

i’m thinking it was a way to keep his hands a little busy there, as well as him asking “where do you place paul that night”, it seems he wanted to, place himself, next to or even somewhat around paul as to lessen himself of being a suspect

But the dialogue is the same for each take, and he uses the same inflection and body language as the other oblivious takes.

Yea. I'd like to know exactly how he verified this. There were several which I disagreed with.

@@karlhungus5436 There is no way to verify anything, this video just represents one person's guess.

same with the huey lewis part

100% agree with this.

I would argue that Patrick isn't a Psychopath but instead a sociopath and there's many different instances to prove it. Psychopaths are extremely intelligent and dissociate emotions from their actions. It's because of this that they can replicate other emotions very easily as if on command which makes them skilled actors. They are very meticulous and disciplined and it's impossible for them to have empathy for anyone. Sociopaths are more impulsive and can't hold on their jobs for long and sometimes may be able to show some empathy. Firstly Patrick wasn't really good at his job. His held on to it because of his father. He was materialistic and narcissistic. Which is why he his dedicated time to his body and more importantly to restaurants and reservations. Again a true psychopath wouldn't show any emotion for his peers but we see Patrick spares his secretary for some reason. Then we see Patrick crying after his massacre and confessing to his lawyer. A psycho would never feel bad for his crimes. Then over time we see he loses self control with the detective, a psycho would be calm and in character for the entirety of the interview.

@@hellomate2405 I've heard that within every psychopath is a sociopath but not vice versa

@@hellomate2405at the end of his call with the lawyer he says “and i dont think im gonna get away with it this time” showing thats what really has him upset he is purely selfish and has nk empathy the only genuine moments of him is when he’s listening/talking abo music and killing ppl

​@@Nothisndhdudjdjdj Yea but he is crying and losing his cool. Only reason psychopath would act hysterical would be to manipulate someone. Even when in danger psychopath can really only feel anger at most not fear. Patric also constantly feels deep emptynes inside of him and his life is a mess. This is all textbook sociopathic impulsive behaviour.

Also just because hes a sociopath and not psychopath does not mean he cares about anyone elses life than himself. They are both called antisocial disorders.

One way you can interpret it, but I like to think the oblivious take is genuine. It makes Patrick's crippling anxiety and fear of being caught all the more entertaining. He got away with it cleanly, but that sense of impeding doom he feels is still there. Similar to Poe's 'A Tell Tale Heart."

That's the impression I was getting.

Or the opposite tone Patrick Bateman was trying to conjure

It certainly feels that way, but when you look into it deeper, his eyes just seem too genuine for that to be the case. There's a stark contrast between the genuineness of his oblivious expressions and the mocking sneer of his aware expressions. Ultimately, I believe Kimball had no idea Bateman killed Allen. And that's assuming Kimball even believed Allen to be dead at all.

@@ThePowerofCutleries Good point. Technically Paul ISN'T dead, just investigating a disappearance.

or how great the director is?

@@bigbirdmusic8199 I mean...yes the director blends them well, but the whole point is of this is showing how well DaFoe visualizes his inner thoughts.

@@bigbirdmusic8199 its just how dafoe is a damn good actor!

Yes he is an amazing actor but every time he changes it’s a different shot. They shot the scene 3 times then mixed them into one. So I’d say this doesn’t show his acting off at its best.

Christian Bale and Willem Dafoe are my favorite actors

It's not because he doesn't want to connect, it's because Bateman killed Paul while playing that track, and it makes it seem like he is suspecting Bateman. Or maybe he searched Bateman's apartment, found some incriminating thing, and also found the CD. I saw it as Bateman being scared that Paul had nailed him

​@@ambergirl986 I personally thought that too when I saw the movie, but I think there's probably a bit of OP's point too. It serves as a scene to show the tension as well as more of an insight to how Patrick Bateman can not relate to others (as he said in the final scene) because he has no wish to relate to others.

@@4skin-gaming wrong moron

@@soundwhisperer1058 Lol

@@soundwhisperer1058 why even make the comment

Fr and think he’s using an imitation technique because he does it right after Kimball and with no care of equally seasoning it or using too much

His "oblivious" acting feels more sarcastic and suspicious. Like Defoe's character is mocking Bateman.

I’ve heard a theory that when he pulled out the CD he was deliberately reflecting the sunlight in Patrick’s eyes to test his composure but idk

@@eatmeneat5035 and if that were the case I’m sure Detective Kimball nearly wet himself seeing Bateman not even blink at the light

@@eatmeneat5035 damn, I never noticed the reflection on him in that scene

It's so funny to me how Bateman has to now lie about how he doesn't like Huey Lewis and the News... and all he can come up with, "No, I like music, just, they're... Huey's too black-sounding for me,"

Lolol u made me laugh

It's not seamless, it's cut. They filmed 3 different take for each scene and rearranged

@@lethalbroccoli01 bro it was a joke

@@giantcrayfish2866 No.

@@lethalbroccoli01 Yes

I'm stupid, what is the implication here...?

@@Knifegash patrick's lawyer is covering for him

I'm pretty sure that he hallucinated killing Paul Allen, and he actually was in London

Nah, I read it the other way. Paul Allen and all the other schmoozers were so interchangeable, that the lawyer also mistook the person he had dinner with was Paul Allen. Thus, it literally didn't matter if Paul Allen really did die or not, literally he was forgettable to everybody.

@@ethanstump I think Patrick literally hallucinated the whole thing and didn’t kill anyone.. that would’ve made it make sense why the police didn’t catch him, and also why the “policeman” is acting so strange. But that just my interpretation obv

literally copy pasted

​@@ihateuifulikebtsGood heavens! Hopefully the original commenter can get some ridicules.

the lines are the same, it's just the acting/tone that's different.

in other words it's like playing LA Noire

@@Erilis000 "Sorry. Made a mistake"

Agreed.

It could be, I feel like the book and movie can be interpreted in many ways, even though the movie actually concludes in a way that makes you think it was all hallucinations, while the book's ending is actually more ambiguous meaning it could all have been true or false or even both.

And all of this at the young age of 27.

@@Jorvaskrr like Jimi Hendrix, Tupac, and Biggie.

And is the Batman

I keep reading Bateman as Batman 🗿🗿

its super bizarre seeing how he makes the change during the half a second that he's looking away from the camera and then looks back just to reveal the complete opposite facial expression he just had a second ago

Same here. Dafoe might have shifted his emotional language around but the scripted lines seem to allude he is onto bateman. Defintely adds complexity to figuring out what is real and unreal. It puts you into the head of Bateman, a little scared and unsure how much the detective suspects him.

@@eddyrose8596 So, did Kimball purposely put Bateman's guard down when he said that Bateman had dinner with several other coworkers on the night of Paul Allen's disappearance?

@@Vercettislugger Possibly... It did seem to reassure Bateman that he was accounted for elsewhere. It is clear Bateman is disorganized and has no clue as to the dates so maybe there is the possibility the detective is testing Bateman's narrative and reactions. But Bateman knows he is the killer so he would be naturally be paranoid as to whatever the detective says. That said, the detective's interrogation and suggestions comes across as if Bateman is a suspect. And how the heck did he drop the pop song to the murder scene. That was strange. These string of coincidences and anamolies make these scenes all that more suspenseful and disorienting as they are not logical. Lastly, there is the slight possibility that everything Bateman does is acounted for as he is spied on by handlers. Dafoe's character in this case is simply probing his subject/master he must cover for or protect.

I think it only seems that way because we know he did kill him. Imagine if Paul really did just go to london, then the way Dafoe says that line is very non-suspicious.

Personally I think the guy went a little nutso. Split town for a while. Maybe he did go to London. Sightseeing. Drinking. Whatever. Anyway, I'm pretty sure he'll turn up sooner or later.

😂🤣😆

LOL

@Maier He's trying super hard to fit in with the upper crust crowd, likely even lying about having a yacht just to meet more rich people.

@@bwackbeedows3629 Or rather, Bateman wants you to think that way of him (although Allen might really have done this sort of stunt). Throughout all the interrogations Bateman, still fearful of being overshadowed by Allen's "status" and "connections", lies about petty or trivial things in an attempt to make Allen look worthless to Kimball - for example, the first thing he mentions about Allen is the "yale thing" and he absolutely refuses to bring up that they went to Dorsia, even where it wouldn't cast suspicion on himself.

Bateman definitely meant it unironically .. this is for sure

In all honesty it really doesn't look like they spliced it, only if you point it out maybe but to me it seems like first scene was completely oblivious, 2nd suspicious and 3rd aware. Because he mentioned he was going to piece all his information together in the 2nd scene, so by the 3rd scene i feel he fully mapped out what had happened and was try to bait patrick into dropping his guard, or giving any more signs. What better place to do it at a restaurant too, where someone is a bit more relaxed in comparison to an office space 🤷‍♂️

on L.A. Noire.

Also the fact that he only grabs the salt after he sees Kimble use it, like “oh wait this is what he did. This is what regular humans do”

I noticed that too watching the movie for the first time, this movie is a great watch if you are into social queues and watch details closely. It was hilarious how Bateman was trying to mimmick but even screws up a simple task as salting your food

Bravo Vince!

I want. To fit. In.

I think its a combination of mimicking because its a known tactic to bond with someone but its supposed to be a dark comedy to which Bateman read about this tactic but he cant do it properly because hes a psychopath and too busy thinking ahead of the next question.

He also goes to a musical but hates singers.

Everyone in the movie gets each others names mixed up which also supports the main message of the film. Bateman also calls his lawyer "Howard" instead of Harold when he's making his confession on the phone.

"I think you got your dates mixed up" Double meaning?

@@kingsfield3945 by main message of the film do you mean that it’s all like a dream sequence in Bateman’s head and in reality he’s perceived by his colleagues as this meek irrelevant loser which comes up a lot when they talk about him not realizing it’s him

@@Obs23456 no, that in 1980s yuppie culture people had no individual identity

How do you know know that this was a CD?

i like this take but i feel like its more of a freeze response- typically seen in homicide suspects when lies/evidence r presented (human equivalent of "if i dont move they wont see me")

As a non native English speaker, I’m not sure I get why it’s funny. Because the guy’s so rich he doesn’t even have to have a yacht to join a yacht club?

@@leyder It's funny not for that reason, but because you'd think a person who would hang out in a yacht club would have a yacht. The irony of that paired with the delivery of the line by Bale is what makes it funny.

@@leyder basically what the other guy said

@@leyder he isnt rich enough to own a yacht, but he hangs out with people who do. So Patrick is making fun of him for hanging out where he shouldnt even be. It would be like going to a book club to meet new people but you dont even read.

@@leyder also the entire movie is about patrick putting other people down and making himself look good so this is just another example of that behavior trait.

Glenn Talbot was also in it too

@@marvinrodriguez7971 What film?

@@samkresil6011 Hulk

@@marvinrodriguez7971 Oh yeah, I know him.

I think soon there will not be a single actor who hasn't been in a superhero film now that they're making so many of them.

It could be, but taking into consideration of how cocky detectives used to be and how out of the line Patrick is, my guess is, that the detective just try to lure Patrick to its spider web. He is damn sure Patrick knows something.

@darker I know right? Hes gotta be messing with him there like he just says exactly what happened right to batemans face

baitman

@@trollloloololooo patrick took the bait, man

bro same, i saw one dude talking about "god manipulating quantum fluctuations" to fuck with him lmao??

Well despite people looking way too deep into it, the way these scenes were filmed created the impression that the detective is fluctuating between those emotions - what you assumed was built into the film

Detective JG Jopling,The grandbudapest

I’m saving watching that movie for the first time for a rainy day.

And Platoon.

4 times oscar nominated legend

Dude is almost always the most interesting character in whatever hes in

He brings salt to the table

I'll never see that part the same again hahahahaha

Yeah, just like in videogames.

makes me want to see this video redone with the dialog tree options from LA Noire, showing button inputs for the 3 varieties of reactions to bateman

Fallout NPC's after finishing their line of dialogue:

😏Thanks.😐

Do you know if is there a place where I can find all the takes?

@@Gustavogukpa Yeah I wish we could see all the takes but I don't think they're anywhere

'trolling' lol

@@harrasika "internet trolling" actually comes from a style of fishing where one drags bait along the bottom of the sea waiting for something to bite, also called trolling

@The Ban Man He was YIIKing out

That's what I always thought it represented: Patrick's detachment from human expression and interaction, he's a psychopath and so detached form reality and people that he can't really place nor read anyone's emotions or true intentions.

Trying to pull a Columbo on him.

....colombo style

That is if he killed him at all, did he ?

I think the scenes with Kimble are completely imagined by Bateman - there is never anyone else present, just the two of them. The information Kimble shares with Bateman (about the alibis of other potential “suspects”) would be very unlikely to be shared by a detective and more closely resembles his (Patrick’s) own train of thought in the imagined scenario.

@@Joe_Dominates And how often do detectives go to lunch with persons of interest or suspects? I actually don't know.

It's a common occurrence in movies with "dream or fantasy" sequences. The character recalls things happening but with missing details, or different details. It's called "the unreliable narrator."

Cause she gone man

People keep forgetting each others names all the time in the movie. These guys are so one-dimensional and don't care one bit about each other as people that everything blurs together and there's no real individuality.

@@tanneredge9774 he was man the whole time.

It proves he made that part up, and then later failed to remember the part that he made up. Lol. Kimball should have noticed it

The movie would have still been great without his scenes but they really propelled the entire thing higher and Dafoe's scenes were spread out perfectly in it

I adore Willem Dafoe for this reason; he can fit into any role so perfectly, especially when it has that theme of mystery and suspense.

interesting how bateman never takes his eyes off him

Good Day Mr President.

@@jingalls9142 Don't fall for it. He's a fake.

@@d34d10ck don't say that, he really is the ex president Barack Obama

@@omarretana4639 Don't say anything to negate him - he's the *real* Patrick Bateman.

True. He always made me think of Columbo

That's actually illegal in normal countries, but not so in the US

And that's the effect that it had. 'Oh, right, yeah, of course....I guess I had dinner with Victoria the following night.' Whereas an innocent person would be more comfortable relying on their own recollections rather than the alleged ones of someone else.

@@cheydinal5401 What I want to know is whether you think this is a good thing, or a bad thing.

@@AidanMclaren Memory works in weird ways, if you're told something you may remember it, especially whem say something similar actually happened. It's especially bad when they give the defendent false evidence that *incriminates* him. "We found yout DNA on the murdered victim", stuff like that. Some people may even have issues with alcohol, and then think "Well, I must have blacked out when I did it" It's banana republic stuff, completely unjust

But if Paul Allen’s dead was a hallucination from Patrick then the role of kimball was just to add more reality to Patrick’s hallucinations right? Kimball is the detective of a made up scene

@@nicolasacunasilva9555 No, Patrick did kill Paul Allen for real, that and the homeless man seem like the only two real deaths in the movie. People seeing him in London seems like a coverup or a mixup.

@@KaijuofSteel yep. At the end i actually just believe that the lawyer is covering up for patrick and wants him to shut up and just not draw anymore attention. It's pretty believable. The kinda "forget i said that" "said what? ;)"

@@nicolasacunasilva9555 Kimball doesn't exist

The way I interpreted it is the lawyer mixed Paul Allen up with someone else. Just like how everyone keeps confusing the wall street guys for one another. They are all cookie cutter carbon copies of one another. Same thing with the guys thinking Bateman was at dinner, or Paul Allen thinking Bateman was someone else. So in my eyes, Bateman really did kill all those people

Bateman isn’t feeling much, just some narcissistic injury being interrogated

Try reading the book. You'll end up really feeling like Bateman. Bret Easton Ellis is an amazing author

Not to mention the sweating and anxiety. Christian Bale's emotions have a tendency to just radiate off the screen in this way.

In 20 years he'll be regarded as one of the greats of acting, I got $20 on it

I always felt that during the film’s runtime, we were supposed to partially see things through the lens of Bateman rather than objective reality (which is a theme that runs throughout the book; whether any of it was real or Bateman’s delusions) so DaFoe’s character being so odd is a result of us seeing him through Bateman’s overanalytical and overreactive nature “He definitely knows I did it… oh no, wait no he doesn’t… oh but maybe he does” etc

What’s with the fancy words😂you’re analysing it too hard

@@twiggyhd4174 no such thing as overanalyzing, just being overly douchey

@@twiggyhd4174 FaNcY wOrDs

@@twiggyhd4174 yeah we can tell you’re uneducated.

his practically dead expression most likely ties into what he says in the beginning; "i am simply not there"

You’re absolutely correct

He shines the light in his eyes and sees hes just dead inside

The script is the same on every take. The content of the script fits "aware" better, but his body language fits "oblivious" more.

I think in the first shot at 4:30 it was aware, then oblivious, suspicious, and oblivious again "I just bought it on my way here, you heard it?" was oblivious for example, but "Huey Lewis and the News..." was aware

I agree

But it isn't. It just feels that way because of the scripting and the context of the scene. That isn't how he behaves in aware takes.

Totally. 6:47 is another one.

The scariest part is that you can't tell. He might just be messing with Patrick, or he knows that Patrick is a serial killer.

@@virginiapicker exactly, it sounded incredibly sarcastic imo

6:02 seems more to me like he's laughing at the "absurdity" of having to ask that question, seems more consistent with the oblivious version imo

really frustrating that you people don't understand the premise of the video. yes, it's oblivious, because that's how he acts during his oblivious takes. of course it seems like he's toying with him, because that's what the script implies and that's why the take was selected - the unsettling mismatch when you act oblivious during pointed questioning. if it felt genuinely friendly, it wouldn't have been used. but regardless how it feels within the context of the scene, defoe acted it as if he was oblivious.

That's the whole point of the movie everyone is a psycho in there own way trapped in their own lives

I like that because it makes Dafoe truly intimidating to Bateman, knowing there is someone as crazy and intense as he is but not a total piece of shit like him

Defaoe is American goblin

@@ElCap1van This. Any one of them could be a serial killer and the rest wouldn't even notice, including Patrick. He's too in His own head to recognize anything like that in someone else. Same goes for the rest of them.

@Mooph Kaiser hell yeah Mr sunday

the AWARE is scary to me too😂

If u like him, check out the 1985 movie called To Live and Die in LA.. he played a counterfeiter and William Petersen was a secret svc agent hellbent on catching him..….amazing movie….one of my favorites…..

@@ziggybammurphy1645 That's a great one. Also worth a look is Light Sleeper (1992), Dafoe plays an insomniac drug dealer with a guilty conscience.

@@KlausBahnhof ive never heard of that one…sounds good….ill check it out…thanks

@@ziggybammurphy1645 The Hunter (2011) is also excellent. He's in so many great films, and even if it's a terrible film he makes it worth watching.

"Ye fond of me Lobster aren't ya Lad"

It's better that way

If the film answered all the questions we wouldnt be here still discussing the movie. Its better that way.

The movies not a murder mystery it's a black comedic bizarro nightmare

@@vengeancegauloise6049 I was just going to say, it's not a murder mystery, it's a psychodrama.

@@vengeancegauloise6049 I think I'd classify the film as more a psychological horror story, like the Shining. Patrick, just like Jack, has become dark and insane from isolation.

I think the detective himself is sure but dafoes acting is the ‘oblivious ‘ style

But why? Surely he had no idea Bateman played Hughy Lewis and the News while murdering Allen?

@@landofthesilverpath5823 Witness testimony around Patrick Bateman's apartment most likely suggested that Bateman played Huey Lewis and the news very loudly the night of Paul Allen's visit. I'd also argue that Patrick's pause is so suspicious, questioning so direct and his body language so clearly admitting guilt that Dafoe knows what's going on... but perhaps there just isn't enough evidence to support his theory.

@@therisingbane3216 interesting.

The dialogue and story is the same for all three takes.

I agree! With stuff like that, it would be perfect for some "special edition blu-ray" or something, but this movie was out, I think, right before DvDs and such, so I wonder if that footage has been lost... Because had the movie been made, say, 2005ish, I'm almost positive they would have included that on the home release.

which was....?

Something made of flesh and blood that resembles a human but not entirely

@@markekar6021 empty vessel

@@mariahyohannes hmm interesting. Perhaps. I tend not to put any absolutes in this movie. Man's a psycho afterall lol