Ancient Greece Was HORRIBLE! Don't Time Travel THERE!

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On this video we are reading and addressing an article which is telling us many things about Ancient Greece! Let's check it out!
Here is a link to the original article I'm responding to.
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Here is a link to the video about Minoan Make up I mentioned on this video
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@metatronyt
@metatronyt Жыл бұрын
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@enrico43869
@enrico43869 Жыл бұрын
SUBTITLES , PLEASE!
@timwells637
@timwells637 Жыл бұрын
please please do a video Samnite (gladiator type) i am absolutely fascinated with gladiators and real history
@timwells637
@timwells637 Жыл бұрын
please please do a video Samnite (gladiator type) i am absolutely fascinated with gladiators and real history
@mpalfadel2008
@mpalfadel2008 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a piece on the life of a average slave in Rome vs Athens/Thebes/Corinth (your choice) (If the differences are measurable that is) Thanks Metatronyt
@timwells637
@timwells637 Жыл бұрын
please please do a video Samnite (gladiator type) i am absolutely fascinated with gladiators and real history
@JaelaOrdo
@JaelaOrdo Жыл бұрын
Good thing you made this video, I saw the title just as I was getting ready to turn on my time machine and go back to try and annoy Socrates by asking him endless questions.
@dac554
@dac554 Жыл бұрын
Better disguise yourself as a boys
@mrcjc9298
@mrcjc9298 Жыл бұрын
Just like Bill and Ted. Philosophise with him dude😂😂😂
@crbgo9854
@crbgo9854 Жыл бұрын
most excellent
@cormyat07
@cormyat07 Жыл бұрын
He would've just asked you a bunch of counter-questions.
@gingergreek
@gingergreek Жыл бұрын
Tiktok it or it never happened
@Passolargo_Junior
@Passolargo_Junior Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine people from 1000 years in the future finding this articles and saying "people from the 2000's didn't understand the past." What a good example we're leaving to the next generations. Good video as always, mate.
@cahallo5964
@cahallo5964 Жыл бұрын
They will probably conclude that there was an obvious propagandistic agenda portraying the past as such.
@strategicperson95
@strategicperson95 Жыл бұрын
It's a cycle that has existed for a while, every future generation likes to believe they have become greater than the last and will look down on the past.
@hhgff778
@hhgff778 Жыл бұрын
Articles are about the worst source of information about us lmao.
@NikozBG
@NikozBG Жыл бұрын
More like "People from 2000's didn't wash their hands, and there even were medical campaigns to teach people that hygiene is an important thing, as evident by the great 2019 virus plague." Because people never seem to understand the past and are prone to believe the craziest things about it.
@loweel2897
@loweel2897 Жыл бұрын
Historian method changed many times in the past. At the beginning, until 1700, they only read annals and chronicles, which were written almost every time in cities, so they completely underestimated what happened outside. Then archaeology come and changed everything, then genomics, statistics, applied economics, and so on. So history you had at school still says middle age was a terrible age, while the amount of skeletons from this age, with evidence of starving, are much less than the ones in the roman period, which is seen as a golden age. The myth of the horrible, dark Middle Ages comes from enlightenment, to prove that without enlightenment nothing can be achieved. Such historian can't explain renaissance, which they kind of ignore or diminish, because of ideology. To add more disaster, in many high schools the teacher of history is never a historian, more commonly is history and philosophy (they believe ideas make history) or worst, teachers of literature, which is even worse, since they take for good whatever a romance says. For example, this is why in the UK people thinks that Romeo and Juliet story was plausible in Italy.Shakespeare took inspiration from several Italian sources, and added many things which were not true, neither plausible. Cappelletti (not Capuleti) were not a Verona's family, and since Cappelletti were guelph, while Montecchi were against, this would have been the political reason, not the blood. If the problem was only blood, more likely they would have been ally, meaning Romeo and Juliet were more likely to get FORCED to marry, to bind the two families. (If only Cappelletti were living in Verona, I mean). Of course, if you are into English literature, you think this is pure history, while the whole story was circulating (quite different thou) during Dante's time. Why? Because this is what a literature teacher is supposed to do. So, pop history is mostly the result of bad teachers, and obsolete research methods.
@88kjk75
@88kjk75 Жыл бұрын
Curse you for not making this video sooner! I just came back from Ancient Greece and it was a nightmare, I was in Athens and I asked some weird bearded guy called Socrates or something if he knew where I can charge my phone and instead of answering me like a normal person je started to question my motives for wanting to charge my phone by using bizzare comparisons with sailors, soldiers and somehow even managed to bring in the need for censoring Homer into the conversation. This went on for two hours, I finnaly ran away after he began talking about the moral qualities of rocks. Ancient Greece must be a hallucination, don't go there!
@tobiasboston7795
@tobiasboston7795 Жыл бұрын
The fact you understood him shows that Ancient Greeks were americans!!!!!!
@helvete_ingres4717
@helvete_ingres4717 Жыл бұрын
tbf, I don't think the ancient Greeks could stand him either, considering how it all turned out
@CrizzyEyes
@CrizzyEyes Жыл бұрын
@@helvete_ingres4717 It was less that he was an enemy of the people and more that he was an enemy of the _wrong_ people who had political power. Athens was not a state free of corruption.
@sryan9547
@sryan9547 Жыл бұрын
Also Socrates totally wanted to die. He was given an easy out during his trial but instead he intentionally sabotaged his defence so that he would go down in history as the philosopher killed for his beliefs. He did it for his legacy and that's why we remember him and not all the other philosophers of the same time.
@sharonrigs7999
@sharonrigs7999 9 ай бұрын
This made me think of Bill and Ted
@bipolarminddroppings
@bipolarminddroppings Жыл бұрын
I was having this conversation with my dad the other day, he grew up in a house without any kind of central heating, no indoor toilet, no running hot water. It's bonkers that things invented by the Greeks and Romans (indoor plumbing, flushing toilets, underfloor heating) took so long become the norm for everyone. It's not like nobody in the middle ages had indoor toilets, running water etc, it was just rarer...
@huldu
@huldu Ай бұрын
If you grow up in those circumstances then you're used to it, just like being born 2000+ years ago or today. You have to appreciate the simplicity of the past compared with today, at least I do. People talk about these phones, medicines, quality of life features and what not - I could honestly live without any of those, there are people even to this day that live like that depending on where in the world they are located. I'm not talking about some rich person in their 60's building a cabin in the woods. After all we're all here today because our ancestors did just fine with what they had. I'm sure people born 500-1000 years from now will look back at our time and laugh at how ridiculous we were.
@SlurpeeBoy9999
@SlurpeeBoy9999 Жыл бұрын
Watching Diogenes at work would be worth the trip back in time.
@fransbuijs808
@fransbuijs808 Жыл бұрын
As long as you don't stand between him and the sunlight.
@peterwindhorst5775
@peterwindhorst5775 Жыл бұрын
@@fransbuijs808 or downwind when he tosses a featherless chicken at you.
@SlurpeeBoy9999
@SlurpeeBoy9999 Жыл бұрын
@@peterwindhorst5775 Or in front of him when he's choking his "featherless chicken" in the public marketplace.
@AlbertBasedman
@AlbertBasedman Жыл бұрын
Not when he starts jacking off in public
@chriskalogrias926
@chriskalogrias926 Жыл бұрын
This is why movies and fantasy is nice. You would probably not tolerate to stand near him, cause he would most likely be stinking. Include smells in your fantasies and you will see most of the times, we are fantacising too romantically :D
@davidogundipe808
@davidogundipe808 Жыл бұрын
I love when you debunk nonsense Metatron, and love your humor alot.
@toucansam246
@toucansam246 Жыл бұрын
I’m an old guy who has always had a keen interest in the periods of history on which you focus. Thank you for well presented entertaining videos.
@philkallberg324
@philkallberg324 Жыл бұрын
I was a soldier in the US Army from 2000 to 2005. One day just for the fun of it I weighed myself in just my uniform and then again with all my equipment (flack vest, weapon, etc). The equipment added around 50 pounds.
@eval_is_evil
@eval_is_evil 6 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ you picked an incredibly dangerous period to enlist. 50 pounds...oh man. What is the minimum expected equipment weight when deployed in combat and for how long (in miles) is it expected of you to carry that?
@Atenejin
@Atenejin Жыл бұрын
As a Greek, I have to say that your channel is a real masterpiece to historical research! I have been following you for years and your videos are absolutely amazing.
@knighttemplar78
@knighttemplar78 Жыл бұрын
Ακριβώς έτσι φίλε. Το τυπάκι κάνει γαμάτα βίντεο.
@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277
@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 Жыл бұрын
Μολις διαβασα τον τιτλο εφαγα φρικη, κυριως γιατι ηταν σε βιντεακι του Μετατρον! Μεχρι το τελος του βιντεο γελαγα. Να ναι καλα το παλικαρι, μακαρι οι καθηγητες στο σχολειο να ειχαν το παθος του.
@alexkontoulhs3643
@alexkontoulhs3643 Жыл бұрын
Χρόνια τώρα από τα αγαπημένα κανάλια ο Metatron!
@ZA56AA
@ZA56AA Жыл бұрын
The fact that you might br Greek says nothing to me. These are all anti-Greek nonsences no place in human history was ever perfect. You all can go back to medieval period and before you knew it you would end up blind,tortured and then dead. Perhaps that period suits you all.
@secondchannel1523
@secondchannel1523 Жыл бұрын
Παμε ομαδα metatron!
@iberius9937
@iberius9937 Жыл бұрын
Nothing would stop me from at least visiting any era of Ancient Greece if I could. I am currently learning both the Modern and Ancient Greek language.
@mstash5
@mstash5 Жыл бұрын
Even Greece during the Ottoman occupation would be interesting.
@rachdarastrix5251
@rachdarastrix5251 Жыл бұрын
Some people can't sleep at night because they are up concerned and confused that some people don't want to be sheltered and pampered all the time, and would rather face risks and challenges once in a while. Thinking it is any of their business how other people want to live.
@leonardomarquesbellini
@leonardomarquesbellini Жыл бұрын
Good thing you're enthusiastic, because your vulnerability to diseases 2.5K years removed from what our immune systems are equipped to deal with would most certainly mean you're not coming back from that, so enjoy your stay for however long it manages to last.
@xmaniac99
@xmaniac99 Жыл бұрын
NIKA!
@jacquesstrapp3219
@jacquesstrapp3219 Жыл бұрын
@@leonardomarquesbellini If you are a descendent of people who lived through those plagues, you will have inherited their immune system adaptations. 2500 years is not very much time when speaking about evolutionary adaptations.
@ancientgamer3645
@ancientgamer3645 10 ай бұрын
In my reading of ancient warfare, there is much mention of supply carts. It seems armies on the move travelled by foot and did not wear or carry all their equipment and supplies. Supply carts carried extra parts to repair weapons, food, tents, and various gear. Logistics has it seems, always been an important part of going to war. Many thanks Metatron. 👍👍
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 Жыл бұрын
I've found that a lot of people have bizarre views of history like we've degraded from back in the day because they simply don't know stuff. When The Passion of the Christ came out, my friend, who I met when we both got our PoliSci degrees, said it affected her because "How could people in the past do that to others?" I had this wtf moment in my head like "You-you mean you _didn't know_ about all the messed-up sh*t that people did historically? What?" How do you make it through a political science degree _without_ learning this stuff?
@nelus7276
@nelus7276 Жыл бұрын
Ahaha, yes exactly. So many people have no clue. Personally I like to bring up everything I know about tribal warfare.
@sarahalderman3126
@sarahalderman3126 Жыл бұрын
@@nelus7276 I mean you can be affected by a movie like The Passion of Christ about the hedonistic nature of men and still be aware that historically men have created misery for other men and women for as long as humans have existed.
@grizzlyblackpowder1960
@grizzlyblackpowder1960 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahalderman3126 women also did awful and inhumane things so let's not typecast our comments.
@inconnu4961
@inconnu4961 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahalderman3126 The women deserved it! Have you even lived with a woman before? They are unbearable! LOL
@sokar_rostau
@sokar_rostau Жыл бұрын
Unlike political science, political engineering actually exists. Your friend is clueless by design.
@Jon_FM
@Jon_FM Жыл бұрын
As a modern person who had heart surgery and type 2 diabetes I would definetly not want to time travel anywhere beyond a week to any place before 2000. However, as you said modern writers seem to think things were always bad in the past. Most of the plagues and disease happened in relatively short time periods. The reason the Black Death and the plagues of Justinian were so particularly terrible was that they just kept coming back over and over. Without a modern understanding of viruses from basically anytime before 1950 death by plague still kind of happened (see the Spanish Flu). Labour up until modern times was largely done by very poor or slave/servile classes throughout history until the industrial revolution gave some parts of the world the ability to limit the types of jobs needed for that kind of labour. Still there are people that live like that now (industrial near slavery in the 3rd world still is happening). We just love to give ourselves too much credit because technology advances and forget that we still have the same basic body type, brain capacity, and limits our ice age ancestors did.
@grugnotice7746
@grugnotice7746 Жыл бұрын
Heart disease and diabetes are caused by the modern diet (seed oils and sugar respectively). If you went back in time, your health would improve dramatically in that respect. Knowing about germ theory and thus basic sanitation, you would have a major leg up. tbh I would consider it.
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Жыл бұрын
Brains are shrinking... In a couple of generations they won't be able to use even smartphones. Idiocracy would look like a Renaissence University in comparison.
@kestrel8838
@kestrel8838 Жыл бұрын
@@grugnotice7746 >muh sneed oils!
@ne0nmancer
@ne0nmancer Жыл бұрын
@@grugnotice7746 Both existed well before modern diets, you can say they are largely caused by a modern diet, but saying they didn't exist before is just being stupid.
@Riceball01
@Riceball01 Жыл бұрын
@@ne0nmancer While these things did exist well before the modern age, they weren't used as heavily in the distant past as they are now.
@frost8077
@frost8077 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading a historical account where ancient Greeks loved to display physical prowess, where one commander climbed up a rope in armor using one arm only and then did a flip at the top of the wall. I don't know if the story is true, but that story always gave me the impression that the Greek armor had to be light enough for scaling walls, charging, et cetera.
@SergioLeonardoCornejo
@SergioLeonardoCornejo Жыл бұрын
Well. Armor isn't as heavy once worn if properly trained. Your body develops muscle and also you get used to the changes in balance.
@julietfischer5056
@julietfischer5056 Жыл бұрын
Depends on the armor. Linothorax was probably lighter than bronze cuirasses, and both were lighter than Mycenean armor.
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 Жыл бұрын
That was the result of rowing for months to get to the battle
@theamericandream5917
@theamericandream5917 Жыл бұрын
They found a big ass rock that they dated back to during Ancient Greek times that a guy carved into it which said "(Greek name) lifted this rock with one hand above head " and it was about 200 pounds. So even back then there were ppl that were athletic as fuck.
@julietfischer5056
@julietfischer5056 Жыл бұрын
@@theamericandream5917 - Or had really good press. He likely used two hands to get it high enough so he could use one to lift it over his head. Unless two buddies hefted it for him.
@czechchineseamerican
@czechchineseamerican Жыл бұрын
13:16 I had a medieval history professor who didn't understand the terrain/geographic advantages to fortifying Constantinople/Byzantium and merely understood the defensive merit in 1 dimension and that was in terms of big walls.
@andrewstrongman305
@andrewstrongman305 Жыл бұрын
Have you heard of the "Radium girls" in the 1920's? Their job was to paint the numbers on watch faces - with radium paste. They had to 'point' the brushes with their lips, as other methods were 'more wasteful and time-consuming'. Several of them took to wearing the stuff as make-up, and were considered very glamourous at the time. Other toxins commonly ingested in fairly recent history are lead and mercury. English candies used to use such ingredients to make them look more colourful. Arsenic was also used to dye cloth green. We have a sad history of poisoning ourselves, mostly through sheer ignorance.
@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097
@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097 Жыл бұрын
"horrible, carrying 70lbs" - I remember a news article a couple years ago that explained that the us airborne forces used the same parachute for decades. but now (then) had to switch to a newer model, optimised for heavier weights, because they also had to carry all of these electronics...
@MrDeadlysirius
@MrDeadlysirius Жыл бұрын
its true. the modern us infantryman has to carry WAY more weight than is practical to suit the bloated tech/gear “requirements” of the modern day. ive carried rucksacks in excess of 70 pounds regularly, not to mention the weight of my worn apparel.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын
@@MrDeadlysirius I remember watching that video of an M240B gunner showing his daily load plus rucksack over doubled his body weight. Ouch…
@alexprach
@alexprach Жыл бұрын
@@MrDeadlysirius Well the advantage of carrying all that gear is that you don't need to run as far as you'll have better tools or better teamwork. The future is moving towards ai terminator or aliens exoskeleton, where the soldier basically is a tank/mech, as a soldier/player can now carry even more weight like when you play an RPG and carry a ton of weapons that a normal human couldn't so that you'll have a tool for every occasion or ping your position and your opponents so the RTS command and conquer/xcom commander can reduce the risks and manipulate the opponent without worrying about dying. It's basically the gamification of warfare, where you can literally be an "armchair general" or mini tank.
@garrysteffens3040
@garrysteffens3040 Жыл бұрын
@@MrDeadlysirius I read one history of the Falkland's War stating that the Brits (including Ghurkas) each carried well over 100 pounds of gear, rations and weapons.
@patrickancona1193
@patrickancona1193 Жыл бұрын
I carried 90-110lbs O crap in 89 in the Corps, that was average, I weighed 165-170…. Then lol
@pieshka4509
@pieshka4509 Жыл бұрын
Love the "armor weight 40 pounds!" Type stuff about any historical period. They say the entire suit weighs so much and was encumbering, yet my plate carrier without any mags in it weights 22 pounds (11 pounds each steel plate)
@gusty9053
@gusty9053 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they act like the average kit any human can carry and still be effective as a soldier somehow magically changes. It was proven time and time again that the average infantry soldiers carry roughly the same amount. From ancient Greece to Rome, medieval men at arms and knights, samurai, WW1, WW2, current day.
@sonkeschluter3654
@sonkeschluter3654 Жыл бұрын
@@gusty9053 And if you under that amount today? you for sure stack some extra amunition up to that level
@KasFromMass
@KasFromMass Жыл бұрын
Modern combat load is about 70 lbs. More in cold weather. Ammo, grenades, and your extra weapon, like a mortar tube, machine gun ammo, or any shoulder fired weapon weighs a ton
@CrizzyEyes
@CrizzyEyes Жыл бұрын
@@gusty9053 Not sure what you mean, modern soldiers definitely are the greatest pack mules of any period in human history.
@Jiub_SN
@Jiub_SN 10 ай бұрын
@@CrizzyEyeshis point is that the weights are roughly the same, and that people can only carry so much while still being able to travel long distances/be effective in combat. The only reason loads are heavier today is because of a) better weight distribution (putting all of the weight in easier to carry areas) b) vehicles (horses also can only carry so much) and c) guns and ammunition require far less movement and far less flexibility in combat
@jobautomation
@jobautomation 10 ай бұрын
I really enjoy your content. Thank you for adding reason to these times. Long live Metatron!
@Freawulf
@Freawulf Жыл бұрын
Another gem of a video! Εύγε, φίλτατε!
@Frahamen
@Frahamen Жыл бұрын
"we went disease ridden 3 years ago" damned it feels like yesterday.
@HenshinFanatic
@HenshinFanatic Жыл бұрын
Well, the ones who profitted really didn't want to let it go.
@blacktigerpaw1
@blacktigerpaw1 Жыл бұрын
@@HenshinFanatic they still don't.
@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895
@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895 11 ай бұрын
Never again. Resist the next plandemic
@geargrinder7714
@geargrinder7714 Жыл бұрын
Can we take a moment to just appreciate the exasperating torture this man puts himself through so that we don't have to?
@SergioLeonardoCornejo
@SergioLeonardoCornejo Жыл бұрын
I appreciate it. He doesn't say "educate yourself". He educates us.
@benatmorisset3500
@benatmorisset3500 Жыл бұрын
All this effort to debunk an article probably made by an AI
@DieFlabbergast
@DieFlabbergast Жыл бұрын
Secretly, he loves it. :)
@jamesjoy7547
@jamesjoy7547 Жыл бұрын
I empathize with his frustration *so much!* He handles it better than I do; the "filthy middle ages" fallacy ( at like, only 1:16 into the vid) would have sent me pacing and flailing my arms, clutching at my forehead, and beseeching the heavens for divine strength, or wisdom, or retribution, or something, anything! I get enough of that on a daily basis as it is, dealing with adults who seem unable to comprehend even the simplest concepts. Like "when it rains, things get wet" (exaggerated for humourous effect, but not by much). I can't envision a world where I would willingly subject myself to such horrors. Just the thought makes me want to curl up in the fetal position
@hoodatdondar2664
@hoodatdondar2664 Жыл бұрын
I have, so I appreciate his work.
@knoname7778
@knoname7778 Жыл бұрын
Just found this channel the other day and I am hooked! Glad to see someone as fascinated and knowledgeable about history as I am. You just got a new sub Mr. Metatron 😎👍
@petrospetroupetrou9653
@petrospetroupetrou9653 Жыл бұрын
Nice stuff !! Well done.
@kyleolson8977
@kyleolson8977 Жыл бұрын
Metatron almost breaks: "This is some Top-Tier High-Level Multitasking"
@ivanthemadvandal8435
@ivanthemadvandal8435 Жыл бұрын
I may be wrong on this, but I always thought that a major reason for Sparta not having walls was to prevent the Helots from being able to fortify a position while the army was off on campaign.
@chriskalogrias926
@chriskalogrias926 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion it was more of a reason that, Spartans come to you, you would be dumb to go to them...That changed pretty quickly though.
@TemenosL
@TemenosL Жыл бұрын
Basically this, Ivan. The reason is entirely geographic. Firstly, any large army mustering anywhere is not going to have a chance in hell of being "secret". Word travels fast, and you'd know if an army was coming your way. Laconia is blessed with the kind of terrain that's not so easy to invade. The Spartans would simply raise the army, (and being that every able-bodied citizen was already full-time prepped for war, this was fast), and move to one of the various choke points you'd have to travel through to reach them, cut you off and wait there. It's a bit like trying to invade an inland sea that you can only reach via rivers. Find the river they're coming from and block it. If the terrain you're trying to invade only has a few little spots from which you can actually even assemble a 8-10,000+ composition of men, (the average size of hoplite armies), there's only so many places to actually try to fight the enemy too, and they'll be ready and assembled long before you are.
@johnkimble4119
@johnkimble4119 10 ай бұрын
@@chriskalogrias926 Not that quickly
@dj_koen1265
@dj_koen1265 7 ай бұрын
There is a story that when the persians arrived at sparta they didn’t believe that the village they saw before them was the infamous sparta, given that it didn’t even have any walls, And thus they moved on with their campaign without sacking the city
@RespectMyAuthoritaah
@RespectMyAuthoritaah Жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your work. Thank you.
@skonandr
@skonandr Жыл бұрын
Thank you for existing!!!!!
@han3wmanwukong125
@han3wmanwukong125 Жыл бұрын
I distinctly recall in my classics class that Ancient Greece was basically a long set of brutal wars with gentle sprinkling of slightly less brutal wars.
@findingbeautyinthepain8965
@findingbeautyinthepain8965 Жыл бұрын
Well most history classes mostly focus on war and battles so that’s not surprising.
@godetonter4764
@godetonter4764 Жыл бұрын
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 If not for the Art of war, World history would be 12 page comic book. They teach children not to settle their differences with threats and violence, yet the most refined successful mature adults of the world rely upon settling their differences through violence and threats
@RedFloyd469
@RedFloyd469 Жыл бұрын
@@godetonter4764 What exactly is your point here though? Yes, psychopaths tend to climb quickly through political and financial power hierarchies, because of their lack of empathy and often narcissistic worldview that allows them to cruelly carve their way to corrupt and predatory positions whose structure has itself been built over generations by similar people. How does this delegitimize how people are taught in schools not to choose violence first and foremost? The vast majority of people aren't psychopaths, and therefore generally wish to avoid said violence, in order to protect the people around them and actually make life liveable without constant fear of violence. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? And I'd hardly call most of these individuals "refined". It's easy to surround yourself with wealth when you've stolen that wealth from the unfortunate and enslave your nation so you can eat fancy meals with equally self-absorbed individuals. I think you are confusing actual intellectual refinement with sheer hedonistic narcissism and sadistic pleasure-seeking. Mate you need a reality check, and probably a brain scan too, you might be a psychopath yourself.
@findingbeautyinthepain8965
@findingbeautyinthepain8965 Жыл бұрын
@@godetonter4764 That’s so true! I remember thinking I hated history until my early 20’s because we only learned Military history in school. I remember being super interested in learning about the full truth of slavery, and all we learned was when it started, when it ended, and that it was bad, despite half my class being wealthy black girls with elite parents. (I mention the black students’ economic station, because the elites are usually catered to.) It wasn’t until I did my own research on every day people’s real lives when I realized I love history.
@dudermcdudeface3674
@dudermcdudeface3674 Жыл бұрын
@@godetonter4764 That's a bit of a simpleminded Nietzschean view of things. The "most refined, successful, mature adults of the world" make a lot of effort to avoid conflict, and to mitigate its destructiveness when it does happen. Warrior cults are parasitic on civilization, and the more educated versions that some places had in history were mostly due to a lack of economic development. Smart, driven people today can get ahead in life without being malicious to others.
@danielmalinen6337
@danielmalinen6337 Жыл бұрын
Today there is still a myth that an ordinary citizen in ancient Greece was highly sophisticated and highly educated, practiced philosophy and was an atheist or at least an agnostic. In reality, this idealized depiction of the Greeks only concerned a small part of their philosophers and not their entire people, but modern people still love the story for an unknown reason that has remained a mystery to me because people are usually not willing to tell about it.
@blacktigerpaw1
@blacktigerpaw1 Жыл бұрын
Most working class people had limited rights, and women in Athens had no rights at all. Sparta was a standout in that regard.
@bigguy7353
@bigguy7353 Жыл бұрын
I've never heard anyone say regular Greeks were sophisticated/educated/et cetera, especially atheist. Sounds made up.
@gilgameshkingofheroes5903
@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 Жыл бұрын
@@bigguy7353 Well, greece does have an image of being very smart and sophisticated but I don't know where the atheist part is coming from
@FlagAnthem
@FlagAnthem Жыл бұрын
@@blacktigerpaw1 Plus the draconic and abusive warrior training which includes encouraged theft and sanctioned murder of a slave (well if you didn't get caught)
@FlagAnthem
@FlagAnthem Жыл бұрын
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 must be from Epicuereus tetrapharmakón "against the fear of divine punishment" Apathy was """tolerated""" but open denial or disregard of religion could be a death sentence Socrates was accused also of preaching disregard for the gods of the polis
@erikistrup3477
@erikistrup3477 Жыл бұрын
Very entertaining video! And so well commented.
@christinatachdjian3752
@christinatachdjian3752 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@s.z.9517
@s.z.9517 Жыл бұрын
I teach philosophy in France and despite everything you said, I'd love to go back there and become an Epicure disciple if I could. What a strange society that was... Plato was sold as a slave before even starting to write stuff.
@SetuwoKecik
@SetuwoKecik Жыл бұрын
I'd prefer living in Achaemedid Persian Empire than whatever Greek city states had to offer.
@givemeanameman1
@givemeanameman1 Жыл бұрын
@@SetuwoKecik Yeah... that multiculturalism worked out really well for the Achaemedid Persians... oh wait... no it didnt... Now Western Civilization is repeating their mistakes...
@SetuwoKecik
@SetuwoKecik Жыл бұрын
@@givemeanameman1 Achaemenid empire lived centuries longer than pathetic 12 years of a ethnostate country called Najis Germany though.
@MrMirville
@MrMirville Жыл бұрын
@@givemeanameman1 Their multiculturalism was very different : they didn't push all subjects to mix together.
@0Anubi0
@0Anubi0 8 ай бұрын
@@givemeanameman1 Yikes people like you are a blight.
@mainepants
@mainepants Жыл бұрын
I've got this Time Machine just sitting in my closet gathering dust because I'm too terrified to go anywhere. Think I might pop back to last week again. I had a nice curry.
@alancrane4693
@alancrane4693 Жыл бұрын
Ditto 😂
@el_wumberino
@el_wumberino 10 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work, Metatron.
@krymsonuchiha14
@krymsonuchiha14 10 ай бұрын
I needed this to help me with my first book based on ancient Greece. I definitely appreciate clarifying things
@georgeloukidis2321
@georgeloukidis2321 Жыл бұрын
As a greek who has been following and enjoying your channel for quite some years now, i just want to say thank you, Raffaello.
@edstar83
@edstar83 Жыл бұрын
As a Spaniard, whoever wrote this article is a malaka re.
@mrtrollnator123
@mrtrollnator123 Жыл бұрын
@@edstar83 💀
@DimitrisTziounis
@DimitrisTziounis 10 ай бұрын
@@edstar83 I have noticed that the spanish-speaking😃 people who live in Greece are the only ones who can easily learn and speak greek correctly with perfect accent as well. On the other hand, this is almost impossible when it comes to people from slavic-speaking😝 or germanic-speaking🤪 countries regardless of how many years they live here.
@panqueque445
@panqueque445 Жыл бұрын
"Medieval people were dirty" I see this person has never gone to a Walmart.
@chrisredfield716
@chrisredfield716 Жыл бұрын
Great Scott !!!
@walterblanc9708
@walterblanc9708 Жыл бұрын
Another good one, your videos always are , great cadence.
@samhaleyeah
@samhaleyeah Жыл бұрын
I can't wait until future Cracked articles are about how horrible it was to be an ancient Cracked writer. "They had to wear 300 lbs of internettes!"
@elusivemayfly7534
@elusivemayfly7534 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@fransbuijs808
@fransbuijs808 Жыл бұрын
What is strange about this article is that they don't mention the most obvious: democracy in Athens was only for free men. You wouldn't want to be a slave or a woman in ancient Athens. As a woman, you were beter off in Sparta. As a slave, it didn't matter.
@cahallo5964
@cahallo5964 Жыл бұрын
It did matter tho, slaves weren't hunted for sport everywhere.
@BladeValant546
@BladeValant546 Жыл бұрын
Only spartan women....if you werent spartan but the middle class or slave you had no rights. Sparta was not 300.
@weybye91
@weybye91 Жыл бұрын
@@BladeValant546 but as Frans stated, you had more rights as a woman in sparta, than in Athens middel class in sparta, who do you think build the weapons and armor for the Spartans, cause the Spartans werent working the forges, those werent spartans, but they still had rights
@sirrathersplendid4825
@sirrathersplendid4825 Жыл бұрын
Sure, life for women in ancient Greece was a bit more like life for them in a modern Arabic country, i.e it wasn’t so bad. The biggest threat, as always before the age of anti-biotics, was childbirth with a mortality of something like 15%.
@EksaStelmere
@EksaStelmere Жыл бұрын
Democracy in Athens was managed by people who had skin in the game. Random homeless peoples who understood nothing about the political climate were not permitted a vote for good reason. Even in the modern Internet days people don't know who or what they're looking for.
@ahar7624
@ahar7624 29 күн бұрын
Troy for me every time, I found a horse shaped amazon parcel at the gate so helpfully dragged it into the city
@Kernwadi
@Kernwadi Жыл бұрын
Chess hasn't been updated in almost 200 years and it's obvious the devs have abandoned it. The greedy creators took your money and laughed all the way to the bank. I remember back in 705 AD when chess was fun. Then they started adding stupid features no one wanted like "Castling" and "En Passant" instead of listening to player feedback and fixing game-breaking bugs. I've been complaining for YEARS about the collision-detection glitch with the horsey. The "clipping-thru-pieces" bug has been abused to death and the lazy devs refuse to fix it. Don't support this awful behaviour and boycott this company.
@shelbyspeaks3287
@shelbyspeaks3287 Жыл бұрын
This is valve type of behavior!
@trondsi
@trondsi Жыл бұрын
Interesting video! Yes, more on Greeks and hoplites please! The Hellenistic Period too (my favorite, and often even more misunderstood than Classical Greece and Rome).
@benjaminwatt2436
@benjaminwatt2436 Жыл бұрын
I thought this article was going to be about ancient Greek perversity. The Greek had so many sick practices that make Weinstein look like a boy scout
@jkeelsnc
@jkeelsnc Жыл бұрын
Good video. It’s debatable that some cosmetics and hygiene products still don’t have harmful ingredients today.
@exantiuse497
@exantiuse497 Жыл бұрын
Sure, but there's a difference between something that might possibly have adverse effects we aren't aware of, versus things that can literally kill you like mercury
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 10 ай бұрын
I laughed through the movie "300'. An entire army of Greek men and not a body hair on any of them. I was waiting for a disco ball to drop and an old Weather Girls song to start pumping that jam.
@freeroommalmo2792
@freeroommalmo2792 Жыл бұрын
I usually can't stand debunk videos, but this is actuallt quite good. You don't only have knowledge, but also a sense of proportion most youtubers lack. Thank You
@tgillies101
@tgillies101 Жыл бұрын
This could be a great series "Don't Time Travel Here" and the whys, could have some great Horrible Histories vibes
@rianmacdonald9454
@rianmacdonald9454 Жыл бұрын
Now, that is a good idea for a little series of videos.
@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277
@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 Жыл бұрын
As a Greek the title freaked me out! Luckily i watched through all of it and was laughing by the end. Thank you Metatron for pointing out the uniformed. Keep up the excellent work you are doing and never stop being a Rome fanboy.
@heliosophist334
@heliosophist334 10 ай бұрын
Don't worry. He didn't mention all the appalling stuff they did.
@SacredKnowledge-cx5lo
@SacredKnowledge-cx5lo Жыл бұрын
I am so impressed with your work! ... so gladly I subscribe. You have a great way to engage people in history. What you are doing is very important. Thank you.😅
@nazarnovitsky9868
@nazarnovitsky9868 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for new video about Ancient Greece !
@meliagant1650
@meliagant1650 Жыл бұрын
I remember in 9th grade we had 2 schol days per week where we had to carry 20kg (45lb) weight of books to school. It was the worst school year of our lives, but when a 14 year old can carry this weight just on their shoulders an adult who was either trained to be a soldier or worked their ass off on fields should be able to carry 70lb distributed over different body parts.
@polymathable
@polymathable Жыл бұрын
You are a legend Metatron. Keep going!
@magoose84
@magoose84 Жыл бұрын
Loved the doggie!!!!❤
@devekut2
@devekut2 Жыл бұрын
My time-travel tickets are non-refundable! Maybe if you had uploaded this a few weeks ago, I could've cancelled my trip.
@javierpaz7954
@javierpaz7954 Жыл бұрын
About the weight of the Hoplon, well you have to take into account that things were hand made back then. Someone could say "hey, I want it thicker, I don't mind if it's heavier", and the artisan would just make it thicker and heavier.
@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326
@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326 Жыл бұрын
Nice video Raffaello!. Personally I would like to see more of your videos about the Classical and Hellenistic era! Wouldn't mind to see a future about the Byzantine Empire/Eastern Roman Empire from you.
@brunobengala2766
@brunobengala2766 7 ай бұрын
Great video as always. Now, my usual nitpicking: as far as I know, the shield was called the “aspis”, and the term “hoplon” referred to the gear as a whole. The “Hoplite” would be “the equipped one” and the term “panoply” derives from what they called “full gear”(helmet, cuirass, shield and greaves), as “pan”=“whole” or “all”. Please correct me if I am mistaken. 😉
@charlesrense5199
@charlesrense5199 Жыл бұрын
I already know where I'm time traveling to: sunny 1983! You ever look at the Billboard charts from then? Every. Single. Song is a classic! No filler! You look at just about any other year and there's lots of stuff that we've all rightly forgotten about by now. But not 1983! Banger after banger after banger.
@Kinuhbud
@Kinuhbud Жыл бұрын
too mainstream--boooo!
@charlesrense5199
@charlesrense5199 Жыл бұрын
@@Kinuhbud when the mainstream was that good no one cared!
@christophero55
@christophero55 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff.
@phildicks4721
@phildicks4721 Жыл бұрын
"War never changes!"... sorry, I couldn't resist.😜😁 Great video. I love your debunking myths videos.
@oz_jones
@oz_jones Жыл бұрын
Or does it? Of course not, it's war
@marcello7781
@marcello7781 Жыл бұрын
I think it also depends on the kind of time travel. I would prefer to be able to travel and just witness events as a spectator (and be able to come back to my time) rather than end up in the role of an inhabitant of that time.
@billebrooks
@billebrooks Жыл бұрын
I thought that's what we are doing when we watch Metatron videos.
@michaelleitner1245
@michaelleitner1245 Жыл бұрын
My thought exactly. Observe without interaction. That way I couldn't be blamed for screwing things up! 😂
@Sofus.Solivagante
@Sofus.Solivagante Жыл бұрын
My sister reads this kind of articles and comes up with sentences like "in the middle ages, people would bathe only in their wedding night" lol
@matthewlaurence3121
@matthewlaurence3121 Жыл бұрын
Some truth to it but that's not the middle ages. More Elizabethian and it was more like several times a year, with wipedowns and face washing and frequent hand bathing. A bath in May and a nuptial tie in June. Medieval folks might have recoiled at that, depending on where they were from.
@ericheckenkamp6091
@ericheckenkamp6091 Жыл бұрын
I remember back in college I got my professor very excited and awake. I was an art history minor, and was taking a History of the Renaissance class for an easy history credit. I made a comment about the "Florentine Renaissance" and his eye lit up and he said, "What do you mean by that?" So I explained that at the time we consider the Renaissance to be in full swing in Florence, Northern Europe was still struggling with the new ideas of 3 point perspective and human anatomy. The Renaissance lasted a few hundred years because it took that long for the ideas to spread, not because there were 300 years worth of ideas. People think of history, ESPECIALLY THE MIDDLE AGES, as some sort of global culture and that just because things were a certain way in 600 AD, they were also the same way in a different area, 400 years later...because "The Dark Ages."
@RespectMyAuthoritaah
@RespectMyAuthoritaah Жыл бұрын
Yea, they pretty much didn't have the internet to share idea's back then. We didn't get the internet and climate change until Bob Dole invented them (sarcasm).
@hah-vj7hc
@hah-vj7hc 10 ай бұрын
It's so simple to understand this though. "People in the year 2020 believed in Corona vaccines." That statement is about an actual global phenomenon. But still, some did, some didn't. Some ares had more people that did, some fewer. Or just compare like this: "Many gladiators died in the colloseum." "Many boxers, footballers and race car drivers died in those violent public spectacles of the 20th century."
@Freja_Solstheim
@Freja_Solstheim 7 ай бұрын
@@RespectMyAuthoritaah Not Bob Dole. It is Al Gore who lays claim to those two (Falsely of course).
@machinegunmolly1
@machinegunmolly1 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting stuff, as usual. Congrats on this channel. BTW, it looks like the warrior in the screen behind your head is listening in as well. A. 😁
@husky0098
@husky0098 Жыл бұрын
Damn, there go my weekend plans.
@buttercxpdraws8101
@buttercxpdraws8101 Жыл бұрын
For me, first stop in the Time Machine is Minoan Crete. I really need to know what the hey was going on. ✌️💕🌻
@gehlesen559
@gehlesen559 8 күн бұрын
Seconded.
@arbitrary_raspberry
@arbitrary_raspberry Жыл бұрын
Simply as a woman i wouldnt want to live in any other age
@zacmahoney9782
@zacmahoney9782 Жыл бұрын
Nice vid there sir. Assumptions...though some might say that when dealing with the past, especially the distant past, there is a certain level of inherent assumption.
@JCOwens-zq6fd
@JCOwens-zq6fd Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Very nice video. As a modern soldier one will be carrying quite a bit of weight in just brass from the shell casings. 2016, the marine corps times reported a new standard for strength and endurance. An average Marine Corps infantry officer should to be physically able to carry 152 lbs. for nine miles. That load might sound extreme, but from 1st hand experience one can end up carrying up to 100 lbs or more if he is a bigger fellow. I'm 6ft 1in & about 200lbs, my pack weight was normally around 80lbs but at times would be around 120lbs or more.
@matthewellgen5984
@matthewellgen5984 Жыл бұрын
Modern armor can be very heavy, it's not unheard of that US Army/Marines infantry teams or specialized heavy weapon teams could exceed 110+ pounds on a good day. The basic equipment itself (of which I have worn) vest, plates, ammunition (depending on type and amount) and weapon with a basic ruck sack can easily exceed 70 lbs. At times it might been easier to wear full plate armor, that would have been lighter, though the ballistic protection may be a bit lacking, lol.
@bri.g.5105
@bri.g.5105 Жыл бұрын
Especially in combat zone. We weighed ourselves with all the gear and one guy who was 145 pounds weighed 225
@ctastrophe
@ctastrophe Жыл бұрын
2:13 living in the SF Bay Area in modern day made me lol 🤣
@samanthabrotto1272
@samanthabrotto1272 Жыл бұрын
My new favorite chanel.
@CailenCambeul
@CailenCambeul Жыл бұрын
If I was to argue with anyone about life in Greece, I'd stick with just a single word: Galen. Sure, Galen wasn't perfect, but considering his time period, AND how far our own medical treatments have come in the last 150 years, Galen was the father of modern medicine and could very well have lived as the perfect doctor for the 19th century.
@jennifersilves4195
@jennifersilves4195 Жыл бұрын
Naturopaths still use Galen. Allopathic medicine is the odd one out.
@knighttemplar78
@knighttemplar78 Жыл бұрын
Well done Raph! As a Greek i wish you never stop making excellent videos like this and every other topic you may choose in the future.
@Gaibreel
@Gaibreel Жыл бұрын
Gosh, it's a good thing you made this. I was planning on traveling there soon in my new time traveler 9000.
@buinghiathuan4595
@buinghiathuan4595 Жыл бұрын
Hello Metatron, as excellent as usual. Can you consider making a video/reaction about Oversimplify video about the first punic war. Or maybe you yourself making video about the first Punic war. I surprise how little the first Punic war video there are in YT
@michaelleitner1245
@michaelleitner1245 Жыл бұрын
Whether or not a time has been good to live in does depend on when and where, but also on who you may have been.
@uwumanboiski756
@uwumanboiski756 Жыл бұрын
Metatron always dropping bangers
@rianmacdonald9454
@rianmacdonald9454 Жыл бұрын
I do have to seriously THANK YOU and Shad - as you two have cleared up a lot of misconceptions I have had about The Middle Ages, and other Ancient civilisations(Why does spell check say either an S or a Z). Love your videos, always learn something from you, keep up the great work.
@korstmahler
@korstmahler 10 ай бұрын
Civilisation is the UK-ENG version. Civilization is the US-ENG version. Like Armour/Armor and Colour/Colour, the US-ENG variant was popularised as an effort to reduce the complexity of the English language. Some of those changes stuck and became part of American English, others did not.
@somercet1
@somercet1 10 ай бұрын
Because the Tuscan original was _civilizzare,_ into the French _civiliser,_ and Noah Webster reverted American English to the Italian, civilize.
@davidmiller9485
@davidmiller9485 Жыл бұрын
you are correct on the Minoan toilet. The earliest "plumbing" would be the Indus river valley peoples around 2000 B.C.E. Plumbing is quite old. oh and to add the Minoan's were around 3500 B.C.E.
@Duke_of_Lorraine
@Duke_of_Lorraine Жыл бұрын
Always great moments when they judge ancient people with modern standards. Next week we'll learn Caesar and Napoleon were complete idiots because they didn't use tanks and stealth fighters !
@gregoriogariglio7750
@gregoriogariglio7750 Жыл бұрын
Ciao Raffaele !! Sono Greg un ragazzo di 12 anni di Torino che e INNAMORATO della storia. Sei bravissimo ! continua cosi' un giorno potresti fare un video sulla organizzazione degli eserciti vichinghi ciaooooo 😄😃😃😃😃😃
@j.c.3800
@j.c.3800 9 ай бұрын
Thanks again.
@Agruuss
@Agruuss Ай бұрын
just the fact they got aesthetic temples and statues and shitz like that literally EVERYWHERE, even in villages, it just makes me wanna go back then and live there
@garrenbrooks4778
@garrenbrooks4778 Жыл бұрын
"great thinkers were allowed to just think" Except when they were being executed for what they thought lol.
@SC-zq6cu
@SC-zq6cu Жыл бұрын
"ancient greece" is kind of like "middle ages" - there is a lot of variability depending on when and where.
@radiojet1429
@radiojet1429 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, thanks. Let's not forget Herodotus who basically went around gathering stories and tales and legends but got so many things wrong that his "history" is mostly just anecdote. Fun reading but not history in the modern sense.
@pearljaime2
@pearljaime2 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, metabro. Close one. I just had my time machine adjusted to ancient greek when I stumbled upon your video. Dodged a bullet.
@MrMortadelas
@MrMortadelas Жыл бұрын
They don't even try to think this through do they? Every soldier ever carried about the same weight because that is the weight health men can carry for long distances. If they could carry more they would bring more with them. Anything above that weight gets left behind because exhausted men can't fight.
@violatorut2003
@violatorut2003 10 ай бұрын
2:42 Rock and Stone, Brother!
@steveschnetzler5471
@steveschnetzler5471 Жыл бұрын
nice, thanks.
@BrunoRibeiro-zq1kq
@BrunoRibeiro-zq1kq Жыл бұрын
"now on watch mojo: top 10 reasons medieval age was rough." Now on infographics show: Top 10 strongest armies on Medieval Age.
@Toverneger
@Toverneger Жыл бұрын
Also, Spartans had helots (slaves) to farm their lands. The sheer numbers of helots that the conquest of Messenia added to the stockpile (guess what, they had too little land to farm, so they went to war), meant that Spartans needed to be trained well to keep those ~10 slaves per Spartan citizen in line. Try keeping a group ten times larger than yours from revolting successfully without military training and experience.
@ashutoshkukreti6706
@ashutoshkukreti6706 Жыл бұрын
It was just not farming they did. They did everything not deemed enough badass by Spartans.
@Toverneger
@Toverneger Жыл бұрын
@@ashutoshkukreti6706 True, the helots did cook and act as slingers on the battlefield too
@Szymek25
@Szymek25 Жыл бұрын
easy one guy going regularly to gym and training box will easily crush 10 regular soyboys graineates on street 😂 it would be enough to hit 2 and all the rest would escape right away... that's why Teutonic knights could have 13 Knights per castle and defend easily from pagan raids that's why Spartans kept subjects in fear terrorising them at night or randomly killing in woods for own safety
@Toverneger
@Toverneger Жыл бұрын
@@Szymek25 That's one analogy, I guess. The Spartans indeed had an annual "culling of the herd" where their boys turned into men through killing helots.
@grandsome1
@grandsome1 Жыл бұрын
@@Szymek25 Someone has not heard of the invention of the pointy stick that can kill lions and mammoth multiple times the strength of a normal human being, even the most badass warrior will die from one well/lucky placed shank by one of the 10 soyboys. The Spartans only maintained their slaves through psychology and nothing else.
@Vinniebybee
@Vinniebybee Жыл бұрын
😂that montage was hilarious 😂
@BlackfireStudios_Lost
@BlackfireStudios_Lost Жыл бұрын
Ahh Shad. Great channel imo
@jackj9816
@jackj9816 Жыл бұрын
One thing they don’t mention about ancient battles is the casualtie rate was much lower on average. In most cases it was two armies running into each other back and forth into one got to tired or injured and turned back or surrendered. The actual death toll was normally not massive. Meanwhile WW1 we’re losing hundreds of thousands a day It was normally only when a army completely broke in the middle of a battle that so many would die
@jackj9816
@jackj9816 Жыл бұрын
@@user-bs7lj3th2v yeah pretty much once a army broke was when they started getting killed the most
@IskenderAl
@IskenderAl Жыл бұрын
Greek poleis used to settle their disputes with battles on prearranged dates and places, they didn't pursue the routing enemy or take prisoners of war; casualties were low. During the Peloponnesian War this changed, as Athens and Sparta often took punitive action against disloyal cities.
@iberius9937
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