Can You Hear The Difference!? Profiled Amps Vs Real Amps
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@IAmChrisR Жыл бұрын
One thing to point out about TONEX: if you have an Nvidia GPU in your PC, the Advanced capture can take less than 20 minutes. The multi-hour thing only applies when no CUDA cores are available.
@ianedmonds9191 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome. Tonex are clearly forward thinking and smart as all hell. Using AI api on GFX cards is awesome forward thinking. Much Respect. Luv and Peace.
@jonathankessler9853 Жыл бұрын
Call me an idiot but how does a graphics card affect the speed of a capture? Did you mean CPU* and not GPU?
@Bozebo Жыл бұрын
@@jonathankessler9853 No they meant GPU, GPUs have been available for a lot of processing beyond graphics for over a decade now (hence the recent rise of machine learning) but only certain software takes advantage of it. A mid range GPU can do certain processing far faster than even having 2 of the best CPUs would.
@syrehn69 Жыл бұрын
keih?? man i need a days one on one tuition and brain picking pass
@dezertson2011 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathankessler9853 All the hubbub about ChatGPT and other AI is driven by GPU processing. For anyone that’s interested, it’s because 3D graphics processing for games utilizes the same type of base math calculations as neural network training, matrix algebra at the most basic level. Clearly there are far more math tricks than this, but these are the math processes AI or computer graphics has to do over and over, which is why GPU’s are handy for this. They are doing the same thing to create amp captures. It’s the reason for the name “Neural DSP” that makes the Quad “Cortex” device. They are use neural network used in also AI, to train captures.
@guitar-21 Жыл бұрын
Pete's statement that he made a couple of times is the actual fact. It's like having 5 of the same amp. Each one may have a slight variation, but they all sound fantastic. Each of these modelers has finally achieved that point where they are equivalents to the physical amp. This is even more true in the mix of a band. And the best thing about this is now guitarists with almost any budget constraints can finally get amazing tones. This is great for the future of the electric guitar and guitar-centric music.
@JamesFlorio-ti8gc 10 ай бұрын
Back before crazy good modeler with amp clones n etc it was sooo much harder and more expensive to get the tones in our heads lol well said sir!
@Nightjar726 10 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s why the top guitarists in the world all play modelers now. Cause Lee made a video. Lol Not so fast champ. It still has some time to go. They have got amazingly better.
@christianhildalgo 9 ай бұрын
@@Nightjar726Many of the top guitarists *are* playing modelers, actually. Especially in studio settings. And in death metal for example, it's super common to have the entire band play gigs on DI with modelers and no amps.
@MrRofi-jp7mo 9 ай бұрын
@@Nightjar726LOL ignorance and arrogance is your specialty isn’t jt
@pramesh.gurung 9 ай бұрын
@@Nightjar726 Metallica, Steve vai, Joe satriani, A7x, Def Leppard, Megadeth, Neal Schon, Steve lukathor, Plini,cory wong etc.. all uses modeler live or studio. Many touring musician uses kemper or fractal. Dunno what you meant by top guitarist though.
@andrewcrawley285 Жыл бұрын
I love these videos were you can see Lee and Pete losing the will to live, slowly but having to persist
@Willl_b_ 10 ай бұрын
I appreciate you guys going through the trouble making these types of videos. they're a lot of fun to watch. thank you!
@dlastone Жыл бұрын
BTW, Captain kept asking why you would want to profile your own amp... I got a really nice 50's hand-me-down that my dad bought new, great little amp that I don't want to lug around, so I got me some tonex... very happy with it.
@RICO_SUAVE21 Жыл бұрын
I’d go buy a bunch super expensive amp profile them and then return the expensive amps.😊
@Espresso101 Жыл бұрын
@@RICO_SUAVE21somewhat pointless as it's very likely that the expensive amp you're looking at already has a hundred profiles uploaded from other users with more expensive microphones, preamps, and interfaces too.
@C33Fernandez Жыл бұрын
@@Espresso101 This is a great point, as the benefits in these digital platforms aren't only in the accuracy and practicality of the actual devices, it's also in the community-based resourcing and contributions.
@JohnvanCapel Жыл бұрын
@@RICO_SUAVE21 NGL, I can legitimately see gear-rentals experiencing a short-term increase in business from people doing exactly this, if the tech takes off - rent an amp and cabinet for a day, profile it, and keep the sound of that amp for as long as the data survives.
@bmxriderforlife1234 2 ай бұрын
@@RICO_SUAVE21lol a industry person I know might be letting me profile their dumble and train wreck amps on top of letting me physically clone them. Like full on studio gear level profiling.
@IAmChrisR Жыл бұрын
You guys should post the profiles/captures you made. At least for the TONEX! :)
@Imsopathetic Жыл бұрын
Grabs popcorn for the inevitable kemper vs. quad arguments. Welcome to thunderdome.
@sacredgeometry Жыл бұрын
Neither: Axe Fx
@heavybrett-al4082 Жыл бұрын
😂 two units enter....only one unit leaves!
@vincentbourely71 Жыл бұрын
Fractal everyday everytime 😅
@questlive2338 Жыл бұрын
Kemper is the George Foreman of profiling units - we write him off as being too old and bam! Wins back the heavyweight title.... with that being said - Kemper was definitely the worst in this shootout - it was actually the only one I knew for sure was a profiler.
@shadrackperez7325 Жыл бұрын
Great video guys
@shawnveneziano9013 Жыл бұрын
Thanks guys! I always love hearing Pete's playing in the morning and I love Pete's enthusiasm when trying these out! I just got a Headrush myself and I'm so excited to see you all playing it and hearing how it stacks up against the competition. I'm gonna keep playing along and listening now :)
@weakattheknees_ Жыл бұрын
From a producer perspective, owning any one of these devices and potentially having loads of high end amp profiles that sound 95% like the real thing is a no brainer. Obviously the real amps are that tiny bit better, but cost-wise it’s diminishing returns unless you stick to one amp. Plus the casual listener won’t notice the small details in difference between digital and tube.
@MrRofi-jp7mo 9 ай бұрын
‘Better’ is entirely subjective and can’t eq fix any remaining differences?
@sub-jec-tiv 8 ай бұрын
Pretty close, yeah. I find it hilarious that most people can now afford gear that’s in most cases superior in sound quality to what the Floyd had when they recorded Dark Side. But they act like only the most expensive stuff is worth using. Ridiculous. Go make music.
@infn8loopmusic Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking time and consideration to creating and publishing this eye opening video. I think the biggest challenge with doing these comparisons is that perception of volume becomes a big factor. It's been shown that if the sounds are very similar, whichever one sounds louder will seem to have better ratings from the listeners.
@johnnewton1830 Жыл бұрын
Given volume is easy to adjust then it doesn't really matter which you choose based on sound.
@guitar-21 Жыл бұрын
@@johnnewton1830 yes, but his point is that one of the clean profiles was a little quieter than the other (to my ears) which made it sound a little "less." But I agree with you, if this is the only difference, then buy the one you like, crank it up, and go for it!
@benmmurray Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for going to the effort to do this!
@bradswanson6788 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting in the effort to make this comparison.
@DanielC__ Жыл бұрын
Wow…what a great vid! Well done guys. The day of profile amps being dissed just because is over and it had for a while. This just proves it again.
@paulslack4303 Жыл бұрын
You can hear Lees heart breaking when he realises tube amps are not the only great sound out there 😂
@chopperdeath Жыл бұрын
Right. Put the modeler in an old tube amp shell and be done with it. Looks right, sounds right.
@isaacvelasco6498 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, all these old heads think they hear major differences between a modeling units and actual amps when they're actually listening with their eyes
@Dr.Jekyll Жыл бұрын
@@isaacvelasco6498what an ageist comment. Old heads? Pray tell, what exactly does that mean? Also, compare a modeler going through studio speakers to a head through 4X12 at moderate level and you “feel” the difference. Age has nothing to do with it, name-caller. It’s about physics. Have you heard of physics?
@tusharjamwal Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.JekyllYou could use a power amp and a 4x12 with any of these though
@Dr.Jekyll Жыл бұрын
@@tusharjamwal I agree with you. But I don’t think the jerk who made ageist comments is listening at levels loud enough to move a lot of air. And I doubt he has a 4x12. You make a valid point, though, and I agree with it. I don’t think many modeler users do that, though. The obvious point I want to stress is that, without an amp, there is nothing to model.
@Guitaural. Жыл бұрын
Thanks for suffering through this process guys...lol. I knew you'd do a deep dive on Tonex Lee. If you've got a lot of pedals already and just want a variety of amazing amp tones, it's a solid option. And a plugin...cool little device. So great to be able to play a cranked Marshall stack at a whisper volume...lol.
@Sylvain44 Жыл бұрын
Loved that you did this, the first Tonex video was really overlooking how awesome this device is. Lee did a video where he said that the best desktop/home setup was an amp and a Torpedo Captor, but now I really think it's just a guitar and a Tonex pedal. FYI, for me it takes less than 15min for an Advanced training capture, not 4-5h, but it depends on the computer. In the blind test I got 3 out of 5 (real, tonex, QC), I was pretty sure about the QC as it always has more gain when capturing, real vs tonex was just luck as they were both incredibly close. I thought that the Kemper sounded pretty bad in the chug test.
@Flopster2632 Жыл бұрын
I thought the toneX closeness to the amps sound (probably why it takes an age to profile) was surprisingly accurate! I think realistically tone, sound, feel are all subjective and if you like one thing or the other it’s not wrong just as long as you’re playing
@dwiii1635 11 ай бұрын
It's actually quite fast depending on the GPU in the computer. I've seen advanced option only take 15-20 minutes with a RTX 4090 GPU and R9 7950x CPU.
@bmxriderforlife1234 2 ай бұрын
@@dwiii1635yeah but a 4090 ain't cheap.
@timwrigley54 Жыл бұрын
I guessed the real amp and kemper correctly. I own a QC (purchased from Andertons!) and thought it was 4 because of the way it reacted on clean with the drive pedal. Was actually surprised but pleased that QC was 5! I think all are good options and without A/B comparison I wouldn't know anything. The main obvious benefit of the modellers is i spent £1600 on a QC and now i have got a collection of virtual amps which would cost £50,000+ for the real amps which i cant afford and don't have space for. So far i have profiled precisely nothing myself and paid nothing for all the downloads. Thanks Neural and the Cortex cloud users!
@woof9408 Жыл бұрын
I can't get enough of these!
@RaviSingh-ph2uw Жыл бұрын
Yes, like Lee said it’s so much easier to plug into an amp, but this way we get to play through a virtual Marshall JCM one day and a Fender Twin the next then a 5150 the day after. TBH if I was a professional guitarist and I’d like a Tonex in the studio and a quick and simple plug and play amp for small gigs.
@halofour01 Жыл бұрын
Nailed it. I bought one of these to play through amps I'll never afford.
@RaviSingh-ph2uw Жыл бұрын
@@shumailkhan7205 I’d most likely go for an orange or victory head for a super clean sound with a few pedals to dirty it up. I have a Marshall 1965A-4x10 cab to pair with either.
@Burkhimself Жыл бұрын
@@halofour01 that’s why I got a fractal 🤘🏼….plus easy and portable
@Burkhimself Жыл бұрын
I haven’t watched the end of the vid yet, but #2 sounds like the real amp to my at least at 26:04
@martyshwaartz971 Жыл бұрын
I love the the idea of profilers, but it seems to lack the ability to adjust sounds on the fly. With the price though I really need to try out this tonex thing.
@jonathanenglish9820 Жыл бұрын
Great work guys! ❤
@aaronshortmusic Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison video. That’s how it should be done.
@user-zv7lm8uk7h Жыл бұрын
Newsflash: if its close enough you need to have a video like this, its CLOSE ENOUGH. To the viewers.
@florenttenryu5011 10 ай бұрын
You did a great job, very interesting to follow. In a live situation, with drums, bass and vocals, an average listener won't notice a difference. I wonder who will buy a real amp now...
@519MaLoNeY Жыл бұрын
Wow. Shocking. Thanks guys.
@bobthejohnsson Жыл бұрын
for me Amp 1 was so clearly the Kemper. The change in eq is really recognizable. I owned the Kemper, Quad Cortex (which I found having too much bass) and now still have the Tonex as addition to my two real amps. As something to just play with in a studio, that things for all reasons mentioned such a good thing to have in your kit and one that is available to all. They have done a great job! I still like the Kemper for its old school looks and amazing how they keep on reinventing themselves.
@michaelsnydermusic Жыл бұрын
Thanks guys. That looked difficult. If I owned one of these it would be for the profiles other folks did. Or if I had a friend with a great amp I’d consider it. But I’m happy with my Helix LT. Bought it when it was considered “old” and got a floor model. It sounds great and works for what I need it for. Thanks again!
@halofour01 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always guys! One point that I think you may not be considering... I bought one of these because I want to play through amps I'll never see in person or be able to afford. I have a selection of lower priced amps like a 6505+, JCM900, Krank Rev Jr and some others that I managed to find used. I'm never going to find an affordable Diezel Herbert or an SLO100 or a Bogner Shiva (and the list goes on for a while). I don't gig, I rarely even jam with friends and I have some real amps going into 4x12 cabs. I still bought a modeling tool so I could get other people's models of amps I'll never own. I haven't really heard you mention much about that aspect of the devices. fyi... I don't futz around with knobs either. I don't even use pedals!! I plug straight into the front of every amp I own. However, once I twiddle around for a few hours I can create complex cool effects heavy presets to mess with occasionally while still just plugging into the front of one thing. ...just some food for thought on a use case you may not relate to. Cheers!
@Prometheus4096 10 күн бұрын
Finding an affordable expensive amp isn't the issue. The odds that you can buy an extremely rare limited number custom shop boutique amp is way higher than you having the ability to properly set up and mic your real amp in the way these profiled amps were already set up for you by a professional with decades of experience. Sure, it won't matter if you need sound in the room. But if you want to record that sound, then this is huge. Instead of buying two expensive mics, put them both at different positions near the cab, and then mixing then both in the right way with expensive preamps, you can just send the amp profiling sound straight to your PC and record it. And it will be almost identical to how the pro set up the real amp.
@twineddropf.i.5594 9 ай бұрын
as pete said, the tonex software standalone is incredible thanks to the tonenet, as a hobbyst guitarist who can't get cabs and valve amps for volume problems im sooooo much happy to get even an 80% accurate profile of a real big amp. i can't spend enough good words for all the people that spend time profiling their amps and sharing it to us casuals for free on the tonenet
@LordBransty 8 ай бұрын
I have thin walls and neighbours the size of gorillas. I can't agree with you enough.
@twineddropf.i.5594 8 ай бұрын
@@LordBransty yeah i think in my case is a problem because i live in italy, basically in an old city like rome or naples (where i live) single houses are not as common as in america, 90% of the average population lives in condominiums, the only ways to get privacy are: 1. You buy a villa in residentials places (which is crazy expensive) 2. You buy an entire building 3. You go in the countryside but then you lose all city comforts and can't get to work without doing 40 kilometers minimum.
@dlastone Жыл бұрын
wow, they are so close now, you can hear some differences, especially top end... I liked 4 for crunch & 3 for clean.... surprised to find out which was the real amp. Cool comparison
@balticvolt 4 ай бұрын
Funny, I just blindly picked the 4 and it is the HeadRush Prime which sounds so good. I just ordered it and I am so happy, thanks for the video!
@colej3360 Жыл бұрын
Before seeing results I liked 2 & 3 on both amps. 3 had a warm, tube-like tone imo. Very impressed!
@Riff_Rafster Жыл бұрын
You had me at "Get to the chopper!" LOL!
@seanrosedotcom Жыл бұрын
Great video~! Thank you so much for investing the time. It truly does show how far modeling has come. It's crazy good. Still for sitting in a room playing, I want an amp. To hop on a plane, give me the modeler~!
@LEUNN_ Жыл бұрын
Lee is comedy with his reactions lmao got him reevaluating the amount of tube amps in stock
@akc5150 Жыл бұрын
Just so you know... Some of those 'capture' tones sent my Bengal kitten totally nuts!! Thanks for that!! 🤣🤣
@themomentkiller9167 Жыл бұрын
Headrush is much better than I expected. Pleasantly surprised
@MarsHottentot Жыл бұрын
I went for the Tonex. What's crazy is that the real amp stuck out a bit so that I thought it was a profile😂 Ultimately, any differences could be ironed out with eq - IN MY PERSONAL OPINION
@Prometheus4096 10 күн бұрын
Using an EQ to adjust to profile so it sounds like the real amp defends the purpose. That's what the modeller is supposed to be doing for you. Any really skilled person can adjust two amps with EQ and other settings to make them sound really similar. It just takes a ton of work and skill. I wonder if the Kemper was badly profiled because it did sound quite different, but it did seem to have more richness to it that some of the other modellers who were closer in EQ terms were missing.
@TheChainsofAlice Жыл бұрын
My favorites were the same as the captains! Fun video my dudes!
@teknomanning Жыл бұрын
Give that effects loading guy some love😊👍🏿❤
@TheNeers71 9 ай бұрын
This is insane! I thought the real Amp sounded the least good for both!!!! And the cheapest was my favorite!
@SlackWi Жыл бұрын
Really should have included neural amp modeller (NAM) in this since its literally free and incredible
@Jonw8222 Жыл бұрын
I've never owned anything with amp captures before, I've always been more of a modelling or real amp kind of player but this video just showed why I purchased a ToneX recently. At the price you really can't say no. It's got some of the best sounds I've ever heard and I'm shocked to be able to have picked one up for such low money. The capturing is a pain but to purchase or download other people's captures and have them in such a small package. It's sort of a hybrid between a Strymon Iridium and a QC. The only downside is that the tones aren't tweakable like a real amp or model is, but the tones themselves are a step above modelling in my opinion. It's like the tone of a real amp but without being able to tweak it. Which is fine as long as you capture it with the right settings in the first place. I made some notes during the blind tests.. I knew straight away that Kemper was 1 because it has a slight harshness and nasally midrange boost. It's not a bad sound but it adds it's own flavor to the capture. I'm shocked that 2 was the real amp, I thought it was Headrush Prime. I liked 3 the most and thought it was the real amp. I thought 4 and 5 were ToneX and QC. I thought QC was 5 because I thought it sounded slightly better. I was wrong and ToneX was 3 (a nice surprise) but what was consistent is that 3 and 5 sounded similar and both sounded very good. This has been the case for the last few months whenever I hear these shootouts. I just thought in this case, that 3 sounded the best. It's hard to explain.. it sounded organic and when digging in it sounded good without sounding digital, bright or overly harsh. The capturing is faster if you have a NVIDIA video card. But even if you don't, you can enjoy the pedal without ever capturing anything. The software can be annoying but once disconnecting it from the PC.. the tones you take with you on the pedal are very good. If the people doing the capturing know that they are doing, it's even better. The tech in this area is advancing very quickly, it's like.. the newer the technology, the higher resolution the capture is.. if that makes sense. But what is odd is that they are figuring out ways to make an accurate capture but also make it sound better than the original amp. In this case I thought 3 and 5 both sounded better than 2. And you could even argue that 4 sounded better as well.
@MichaelChapman123 Жыл бұрын
Well done gentlemen... Can you guys do a shoot out of FRFR cabinets. Headrush vs. Laney Vs. Line 6 vs. ???? Is there a difference ... Thanks, and Greetings from Georgetown Ontario Canada :)
@Kartrampage Жыл бұрын
I have a Kemper Amp and it´s the best for me. The Kemper Amp is ultra flexible with no noticeable latency and I can pick up the sound anywhere to resample it or just mix in the effects after recording. The most important thing is that I don't have to worry about the software update being bug free because the Kemper Amp has been around since 2011 and they know what they are doing.
@electronik808 10 ай бұрын
Now we want another tonex video :-)
@BuddyBlues Жыл бұрын
At 36:14 you can immediately see that Pete used to be the kid that cheated off your homework in school and double checked his work afterwards 😂😂😂😂
@danishpete Жыл бұрын
100% 😂😂😂
@ianedmonds9191 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2x12 cab taking signal from my Origin 20 or my valvestate 100. I have them running through a really amazing Audiostorm HotBox Attenuator that allows me to run the amps at quite a high load but not an ear shattering volume. It can handle all sorts of volumes and Attenuation modes. Really trick unit. Wholeheartedly recommend. Best Amp setup I've ever had. I used to use Amplitube with a very low latency soundcard Terratec 1010LT down at about 4ms coming out through Mission Pro SM25As. Very loud and quote bass responsive powered monitors, Sounded good but getting proper valve amps and a proper speaker cab has changed my mind. The immediacy of turning on your amp and hearing noise will always trump having to boot the computer and set up a channel in Ableton. I've yet to record with this setup but damn is it inspiring. Luv and Peace.
@user-lx7kl4sp2y Жыл бұрын
My conclusion, as i kinda expected: they all get the job done well enough sound-wise to be viable options...its down to price, other features and personal preferences really.
@bats__ Жыл бұрын
The first time you did this was the video that made me buy a kemper. No regrets
@Dan_Ranger Жыл бұрын
Great video. I’ve used them all. Gigged most of them and they all do the job depending on the work or gig. The bottom line is what’s your favourite tool and what’s best for the job? I’ll use all of them my favourite “tool” will always be a tube/valve amp and couple of pedals. It’s the whole playing experience. But going in ears I prefer the the Kemper or QC. No better time to be a guitar player considering what I had when I started. Find a tone and play more and leave the knobs alone. Option paralysis is a thing.
@GuitarJawn Жыл бұрын
I've been so afraid to get one of these units because I know I'll like them.
@jakecal6802 Жыл бұрын
Ahhhh I’ve been waiting for this one 🍿
@nickvanderveer3689 Жыл бұрын
Thanks always interesting and educational I dare say
@davidlavin4774 Жыл бұрын
Any chance you can share the Quad Cortex capture via the Neural app? I'm a QC owner, but have to say the Friedman capture seems disappointing, at least in the post capture test. Seemed better on the real tests, though.
@leokrissandy5579 10 ай бұрын
i'm convinced with the tone x now, it's crazy considering you can get them for fracture of a price of hr and ndspqc
@Wadey1960CS Жыл бұрын
I actually have all of these they've tested except the Headrush prime. The ToneX isn't bad for the price at all, Great job IK Multimedia. The Quad Cortex is really like buying a half-baked Apple Pie that shares all your social media info. Compared to others in the same price range, not enough bells and whistles. Actually sold it, wasn't impressed at all. I think I'll hang on to my 11 year old tech in the Kemper, that's holding it's own and in some cases spanking that hind-end against said new tech. German tech is always top notch. Great Video Cap and Pete! Well worth the watch regardless.
@robyoung2755 9 ай бұрын
I really enjoy and learn from each of your videos! For this comparison, I feel there were too many variables. I would like to see the comparison done with the playing re-amped to take away any variation and use more intentional riff sequences (both rhythm and lead). The use of the pedal in front adds more variance that works against the A/B/C/D/E. As a result, I liked the Tonex but can you just do the captures of JTM45, SLO100 (or PT100) ... and save me the trouble!!! Thx again!
@vincentvandervaart8019 Жыл бұрын
Could you use profiling to decide witch amp you want if you don't have the opportunity to test em all?
@willjohnson2511 Жыл бұрын
On the clean amp I didn't have a clue. On the driven amp I chose 2 and though 2 sounded the best. There is just something on the Tele bridge pickup that sounds special through valves for me when overdriven.
@stevenolsen3162 Жыл бұрын
Fresh into this I'm going 2 or 4 before the reveal... and...... Woot! I was on 4 early but something in the mids drew me to 2 especially with the Dane engaged.. They all sound pretty good though. I thought the Headrush sounded the most natural when we could see the brands as well.
@drichcymru Жыл бұрын
Running PC into Yamaha RX A2040 Amp with Bowers and Wilkins DM601S3 speakers. For both tests I ruled out number one straight away as it lacked dynamics and had a sibilance that was unpleasant at times. To my ears I liked number 3 (Tonex) for the Friedman test as it was smoother and more refined than the others. For the Victory test they sounded really good and I struggled to pick any of them outright except for ruling out number 1.
@SomeDudeDan 5 ай бұрын
That was awesome, thanks guys for your hard work! There is a new amp modeler, profiler out, the Neural Amp Modeler (NAM), it is an open source software, it can do what all of these pedals do, but completely free. I hope one day you are going to make a new video including NAM.
@PacificNatureTV 22 күн бұрын
they wont cuz they cant make money off it. thats why no major brands want to even support NAM captures.
@DebowyMocny Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks guys. I am a late QC adopter (only purchased from Andertons a few weeks ago). I’m not trying to be fanboyish about it… but I’m really pleased with my choice and your video reassured me in my choice to some degree. Here are my reasons why I think the QC is the best for me, a home enthusiast: 1) Footprint - I like a small footprint, and this unit works well on the desk and it works well on the floor. I can easily throw it in the guitar soft case and take it with me. 2) UI - I think QC interface is very easy to operate and it’s actually quite hard to get a bad tone in seconds by introducing the default amp+cab+drive. 3) The recently released Logic Pro for iPad means that I have a very capable recording studio in my backpack. It works extremely well with my QC. 4) ToneX is not all-in-one so I think I would need to buy external pedals. 5) Kemper UI looks like hard work. At this point, it would be wise to wait for Kemper 2. Either way, I think anyone who owns any of these units has got incredible capabilities. So don’t get fixated on the brand because if you’re lucky enough to own one, you’re in a great place😊
@sacredgeometry Жыл бұрын
39:55 Also: Can we stop pretending like modellers cant be used exactly like a normal amp with a PA and through a normal cab please. There is nothing stopping you using them that way if you want that in the room sound just disable the simulated cab you have that. The capturing thing is an optional feature on these units. You can use all of them exactly like a normal amp (i.e. plug in and turn on) and never have to use that feature. Hell you can use one amp profile/ model on them and only ever tweak the EQ if thats what you want. Hell you could build a simple midi audio input panel and hide the rest of the device behind an pretend amp head if you cant get over it being digital. Hell add some light up fake tubes ... its a poor investment and OTT but you have that option because you are not losing any options going digital, only gaining them. Sound quality used to be a thing but now even emulations of real amps are so close to the originals thats not even a debate most people are having. Some people are clinging onto feel but most blind A/B/C tests prove they either cant tell the difference or worse prefer the digital modellers. Its done, the datas in. Get which ever you want but to pretend like analog/ tube amps are better is a progressively and demonstrably more incorrect position.
@eklectrikmusic Жыл бұрын
Lee, sounding soulful with yer licks man.
@johnneiberger7311 9 ай бұрын
This is crazy. My favorites were 1 and 3, and the real amp was my least favorite. I did not expect that at all.
@robertjones1870 Жыл бұрын
The captains resigned pick throw at 36:02 says it all!
@lukesteverything627 Жыл бұрын
This is great. I don't understand it but it's great!
@yurita1984 Жыл бұрын
You should test all this capturing devices against VST like Neural Amp Modeler 🎉
@dsapasd 11 ай бұрын
For the QC, can you explain why there was a very audible "fatness" difference when switching between real amp and profile right after doing the captures, but not during the blind testing?
@TheDancingSaxophone 11 ай бұрын
Regarding the average person likely not profiling their own equipment, I profiled my amp (3rd Power British Dream) with a Rode NT-1 and it sounds amazing and I use it for every gig. What my Quad Cortex has done for me is let me use my amp, my overdrive and boost pedals, and QC’s effects and have an entire rig in one box. Edit to include: I also captured all of the amp tones in one day- the first time I tried and it was so easy! I messed up the gain on the first capture attempt but every one after was bang on immediately. Probably took around an hour all told.
@rome8180 Жыл бұрын
I picked the same ones as Lee. But honestly they all sounded great.
@ianedmonds9191 Жыл бұрын
I think the only way to distinguish is in the slightly compressed sounds of the Models. I couldn't really hear it in the second amp but the first it was pretty clear. Very amazing models all. Listening here on Genelec 8030s. 🙂 Luv and Peace.
@michaelweiss1531 Жыл бұрын
Today I tried my AMT Bulava preamp for 150 Euro and it sounds very good. In the future I will get a Tonex to capture my Rocktron Voodu Valve 😊
@nicksburson1 10 ай бұрын
No joke!!! I thought 1 was the amp but I liked 2 the best. I was literally saying it out loud. So stoked
@trevorD1156 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see they thought the tonex captures are almost indistinguishable, cause it's the one I have. Lee is right I'd still rather play through my real amps and 2x12 cab. However, if I wanna record and use two amps(specifically two of my amps) then capturing them and running the models in amplitude is so much simpler. Or if I wanna play at night I could use a tube amp, attenuator, and ir into headphones but I'd rather save my tubes and use the computer model.
@Prometheus4096 10 күн бұрын
Obviously a cabinet that really moves all the air in the room is going to be more fun to play than a pair of headphones or studio monitors. That's true regardless of if an amp is the original or modeled. If they are indistinguishable, they should be indistinguishable both through headphones and through a 2x12 cabinet. So wtf are you talking about?
@bjarketraberg-andersen8895 Жыл бұрын
I liked number 3 and 5 the most, both the first and second time. I heard it through my Genelec 8040´s (Same as them), and I have to say i was really surprised by the sound and a bit disappointed that the Kemper wasn´t my favorite (especially as I own a Kemper myself). Great video, cheers guys.
@Prometheus4096 10 күн бұрын
It needs to sound like the original amp. Not different but better. If your original amp sounds like shit, your modeling amp should also sound like shit. Because if it doesn't, it can't accurately capture a great sounding amp either.
@michaelvarney. Жыл бұрын
2 and 5 were my favorites for both… I own 4 and 5. 1, 3 and 4 was close to last on all for me in about that order.
@Willl_b_ 10 ай бұрын
me at home cannot tell a difference. and PETE you have developed a GREAT Captain Swat movement with your hand, i love to see it! and nothing makes you two blokes swat harder than when a digital unit is indistinguishable from the real thing! love ya'll :D
@JorisGriffioen Жыл бұрын
Jaysus that headrush is MAHOOSIVE
@TheOligoclonalBand Жыл бұрын
They all sounded good. The big advantage of all of these: I can have my amp sound anywhere. I love my valve gear, but it gets harder and harder to justify having big valve amps. My next project may be to just profile my favorite amp sounds and don't even switch on the valve gear anymore because it's not necessary.
@halofour01 Жыл бұрын
I was never able to get a guitar sound I was remotely happy with so I never recorded guitar until I bought a little Line6 PodGo!! I created a few presets and double track with those presets panned hard left and right and it sounds awesome!! As much as I love to chug through a 4x12, I love the tech stuff too!!
@Jim_Cox 11 ай бұрын
If you revisit the Tonex at all please consider some testing of it as a pre-amp into a clean power amp then into a cabinet. Some of us are luddites and don't have DAWs and studio speakers set up but do have cabinets and amps around. Right now I'm using my Tonex into the FX Loop of a Fender Mustang GTX but I would like to find out if buying a Seymour Duncan PowerStage amp would be worth it for going straight from my pedalboard into a 1x12 (or 2x12) cabinet. Eventually I should break down and get FRFR speakers but I'm not sure which way to go right now.
@chrisjs6123 Жыл бұрын
Well I was totally wrong. I like 1 and 5 most on both and 2 the least. I’ve got Qc as well as a couple of old school hand wired amps (Benson Monarch and Achillies Zephyr). The QC gets the most use. Just so easy.
@circlemover Жыл бұрын
what I hear on KZfaq and what you hear live is completely different...but I trust your honest opinions. I'm in the buy an amp and cab bracket for live and an amp and load box for recording to make your own sound, after all that's what it is really about - your own sound.
@hybrydsanity5857 3 ай бұрын
I have a Tonex with an original Headrush with no modeling I use them together sounds cool because you can put Tonex via send and return of the Headrush in the chain and put pedals before and after the Tonex , so this could keep older Headrush pedal board owners from crying .they all sound good to me I wouldn't mind owning any of these units you demoed and compared , If I were starting from scratch I would go with the HR Prime because of price all the features and familiarity , Also I'm still attached to real tube amps. so it's all just a back up and optional world to me as of now and a new Hobby Lol.thanks great Video
@ptjohnson5203 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the hard work! It's tough to put our biases aside. Sure is easier to carry 1's and 0"s to a gig rather than analog tubes (valves). However, any of these sounds are so good that the room will be the biggest variable, not the amp. Just my own opinion. :-)
@andrewcrawley285 Жыл бұрын
They all sound very bright
@wakenwaken3618 6 ай бұрын
What if you use profile without cab and connect to stack and listen to the sound and working air.. ? Would it sound and give same feel like amp head ?
@christophkilp 7 ай бұрын
That Les Paul has got quite a grimy fretboard. Thanks guys for testing out those modellers.
@smeemusic Жыл бұрын
What are the black and bronze pedals on top of that pink amplifier? You only see them in one camera angle.
@william7108 Жыл бұрын
Knowing they get that established on Mars and the Moon where we have to have the perfect place for when they land and have a place for people to relax and listen to these exploratory Universe components got to fit right in
@laivasimo8427 Жыл бұрын
Well damn, all of those were really nice sounds and i can not tell any of them apart 😅
@AlanW Жыл бұрын
I correctly guessed the Kemper, but thought the real amp was the QC and the Tonex was the real amp, pretty sure I couldn't actually tell but just got a lucky guess.
@hollywoodactress Жыл бұрын
Ok I played along with headphone on through a laptop. I agree what Pete said, man this is hard and they all sound good. All slightly different but all good. So for the Lil Sister comparison I went for 1. Tone X 2. Neural 3. Kemper 4. Headrush 5. Amp During the chug test, I liked them all but would go for No.1. For the Victory test, it was even closer for me. My preference was either No3 or No5. So I won't spoil it for others, you got to watch to see what the answers are :)
@mrcoatsworth429 9 ай бұрын
We've long reached the point where you don't need to choose between these based on the tone, but more based on what interface you like (touch screen, no screen, knobs...), size, flexibility, budget,... I like the small format of the Tonex and I like that you can basically use it like a three channel amp. Also, great price. It bothers me a bit that it doesn't have an XLR out. But then again, it doesn't have an FX loop, so reverbs etc. would go after it anyways and then you'd also need a DI box.
@jesusalfonsomunozlara1617 Жыл бұрын
New stuff in 6 month? Helix 2 maybe? Or fractal? 🤔🤔 Really nice video, I have to buy a new pedalboard but pfffff I can't decide between cuad cortex and hx stomp xl
@iwandegreef Жыл бұрын
if your scarred for the qc while gigging cant you get a midi board and control it remotely while the qc is safe in a rack?
@chrisdover8507 Жыл бұрын
Could you redo this test with a 5150 or dual rec? High gain comparison
@carwynvan Жыл бұрын
Didn't have a clue at all for the cleans. But for the high gain: 2/3 was my favourite sounding, not a clue which was the real one, but had a really good guess that 1 was the kemper because it just seems to have a high end roll off (Glenn Fricker recently did a similar comparison in a high gain application and the kemper stood out like a sore thumb).
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