Hey Andrew i like to now if the svs sb1000 pro can match the svs 3000 micro in soundquality? You speak in the reviews always about the 3000 micro but that sub costs 400 euro's more than the sb1000 pro.

For me the biggest items would be cables and conectivity and also plug and play, at a reasonable price. And naturally the sound must be great for music and movies.

What if I love my amp and DAC too much? And they're also beautiful too, and I need to see those "furnitures" beside the speakers. And honestly will an internal amp for active speakers be ALWAYS outperforming your separate amp, that you choose to your passives in terms of system synergy? That's why people seem to praise actives, right?

I'm not sure if I would ever move to a fully self powered system. My biggest issue is with future compatibility. With connectivity standards changing constantly, how long (or short) will it be before these speakers become outdated and require a workaround to make them compatible with whatever the future standard is? At $7,000 a pair, these are definitely in the price range most hi-fi consumers would consider to be "end game". How useable will these speakers be in 10 or 20 years?

Two years ago I changed my system to an active system based on Dynaudio Focus XD 30s. After a few months of searching I got a Linn Akurate DSM as system hub on which everything is connected, from tv to turntable to NUC to UBD-player. Works perfect for me: besides the coax and powercables to the loudspeakers, no other cables are needed to them. Using loudspeakers themself as system hub: nah, cable management will become a nightmare. So QOTD: for me a loud YES, but with a separate system hub to prevent cable clutter like you showed with the KEFs. Connecting via WiSA to a system hub is imo the preferred way, but my XDs and DSM don’t support it. That is something for a new setup in five years time.

The mid-range has its own 100watt class D amp, and the woofers are then powered by another class D amp at 500watts.

I sincerely appreciate you sharing Jimmy!

Can you elaborate more on why you don't miss them?

That fact, your review, and other raving reviews on the LS60 has me convinced. My order will be in this week! 😃

Actually came here after seeing the price drop. Im guessing a new update may be on the horizon, but these are definitely now on my radar!

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Thank you so much for watching!

Thank you for this. I just ordered an 85” Frame and I wanted to combine it with a pair of LS60’s and a Klipsch sub. Any reason why you chose eARC over optical?

Quick question - how do you find it in HT setup - what speakers you replace and what center channel have you got - any insights into pros and cons appreciated thanks

Andrew is a master at b-roll!

@@KristiWright I kinda get the impression Andy didn’t like these much, perhaps in spite of their performance. I might be reading between the lines here, but there was a distinct lack of gushing, like they impressed, but you guys didn’t fall in love with them. I wonder if you (Kristi) nailed it: they just aren’t priced cheap enough to cause a sensation in terms of value, and their performance isn’t ambitious enough to put rival $5000+ options to the sword. Like they fall victim of being very, very good at everything, but unbeatable at nothing? Anyway, thanks as always!

@@AnotherAnonymousMan Not sure who Andy is but yes, I think you might be misreading Andrew's feelings here. He really does like them. :) I think "audiophiles" will use the LS60 price as just another reason to 💩talk powered speakers but yeah, I believe if they were about a thousand less, it would be a much easier purchase for the masses.

@@KristiWright 😅 appolgies, Andy is the shortened version of Andrew where I'm from, bit of a silly habit! I've lived with the original LS50Ws for around 5 years now and I don't have the "active anxiety" common among audiophiles (partly because they actually broke out of warranty and Kef were delightful about getting the repair done). I'm almost certain I'll be getting these since they look like the upgrade I've been dreaming of. The approachability and inclusiveness for friends and family from their ease of use have become a must have for me. LS50Ws made Hi-fi sharable as an interest where expensive separates were off putting/ intimidating and that's a non-negotiable now.

Speaker hiss is the most annoying things in the world. I don't get why they can't filter that out

Who are you to bully and censor people? Maybe you should move on, you ugly authoritarian.

@@PS987654321PS and who are YOU to ask people to move on? Punk.

@@PS987654321PS Authoritarian? lmao. You are overreacting king lol

@@yongdol73 don’t think so, cnunt.

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Daisy…..

Answer to QOTD for me is HDMI arc. Because of where I would be using active speakers with functionality as such (family room/main casual tv and music), I just want one remote to do all. Currently I have an Evo 150 powering Kef R3’s into TV HDMI arc. I use the Nvidia plugged into the tv for streaming. KZfaq tv is preferred casual tv watching. So the Nvidia remote triggers tv and evo to power on and volume control. If I stream/cast to Evo it’ll switch inputs automatically. This TV, and Evo remote go into hiding. And it becomes seamless for non technical family members. I’d love to have the same functionality with LS60 which would clear the table of the Evo and just have the speakers. With the cost of speakers, speaker wire, stands, and amp im almost at the cost of the LS60’s.

Meanwhile, the Blade looks like a Portal turret.

Raphael….I totally agree with you. See my comments. It’s just too much money and too much long term risk, even as a KEF passive speakers fan / owner. Cheers!

Couldn't have said it better... passive speakers can last you decades but amps and receivers never do...I couldn't bring myself to pay this kind of price for an all built in speaker.

Really??

i have the ls50ii wireless and i have just one problem. from time to time just one speaker works and i have to switch them off and restart them. it happened a couple of times now.

@@Slvmber I had the original LS50 so maybe they figured things out with the newer versions. My LSX totally broke also and had to have a full replacement. The little Kef muo speaker I bought also was totally dead and basically a paperweight within a year. I've had bad luck with Kef. I even had the Blade 2s and they had a rattle inside that I could never figure out.

I had problems also with my KEF X300AW. They lasted less than 2 years. At first it was Auto switching off not just low volumes but higher volumes. Then came the wireless dropouts when everything else had a great signal in my house. Expensive router. The wireless module went faulty. I thought i would be Okay relying on the built in NIC card but then ethernet failed. Eventually they would not turn on with a flashing light. The software never worked, it was badly written and buggy. They are sitting gathering dust in my bedroom as i type this to you. I am listening on my Yamaha NX-N500 powered active mini monitor network speakers and they have worked flawlessly since the day they were released seven or 8 years now. Never one issue with wireless signal, or ethernet. And they work flawlessly with gapless playback of DSD or MQA which was unheard of for a wireless active speaker of their year. MusicCast is still being updated and the speakers support Alexa connection. Why couldn't KEF make a lasting product ????

I wouldn't' buy KEF anything. I even had the Blade 2s and they had a rattle. They are a cheap feeling and light plastic speaker that cost 25K. They really look and feel cheap, like a toy. They had a rattle coming from the inside that would buzz at certain frequencies and louder volumes. Kef just thumbs their nose to it. I got rid of those pieces of shit finally. I even had to pay KEF 750 bucks for some basic cardboard boxes they go in to ship them. The sound is boring anyway, I think all theirs speakers have the same house sound. A snooze fest. I like Dynaudio much better. More musical and engaging. I had some Dynaudio Xeo 3 speakers that have been going strong for 10 years. All other Dynaudio stuff has been great and no failures. All my KEF stuff is shit. @@MaxPower-zp7wy

Wireless referee to wireless streaming capability not having no wires. There are plenty of speakers that call themselves wireless yet there is usually at least one cable - power. Central box would be interesting option for people who want to connect different sources to it and speakers itself could have hi res wired option to it or wireless - leaving only power cable on them.

upgrade and expand is the rabbit hole of the hobby

buds I am not rich but I like good music and zero clutter and boxes because I like minimalist aesthetics as much as good sound

@@peterpetrov4654 does that mean powered speakers are the way to go?

@@rawsonte what I've learned is that in every hobby, you need to get to a level where you say "this is enough". And you're happy there. I know my level when it comes to hifi and it's thankfully far closer to the reasonable shore. Kudos to you guys adventuring past more treacherous waters.

You can run these (I have a pair) with zero wireless protocols if you like. I have mine linked via the supplied Cat 6 cable, running on my network via Cat 7 cable and control them via Roon, also cabled on my network. There are also various inputs you can use.

I issued a correction elsewhere in the comments.

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That's because they dont. KEF doesn't make any product to last. You are almost guaranteed to have serious fault or malfunction out of warranty. It happened to me. And many many many more unhappy people. Yamaha on the other hand. My NX-N500 active powered mini monitors have been working since the day they left the factory, and thats 7 or 8 years now. Never one signal dropout, no auto switching power off at low volume and higher volume issues, no wireless module failing, no ethernet failing. The X300AW decided to not even turn on properly one day. Not long after i bought them. Probably less than 2 years. People have had the same issues over and over again with KEF, LSX, KEF LS50W.

Nailed it I think.

can you remember how big the room was?

Agree, and that input/ transmitter box may also offer an option for adding wireless surround sound speakers.

The same happened to me with the Onkyo remote App. It just stopped working! I’ve tried everything to no avail. Given that I’m not a big fan of streaming, I don’t trust Active speakers.

As with B&O Kef are seriously looking at this. As the current app supports LSX, LS50 II and LS60 they will update it for more products and keep it backward working to existing products for the order of 10 years. They do not expect to need a big jump in hardware as happened with the LS50 Wireless where improvements in the app and interface to the LS50 II could not be ported to the lesser processor system in the original speakers. Devialet have done a similar upgrade where needed improvement came with the loss of built in features and hoped for updates never came - so no PC support for the app, PC uses uPnP with reduced sync issues and still no surround sound system the users can set up. Then Apple iOS update stopped the app from working. Eventually Devialet updated their software to over come the issue Apple introduced.

@@geraldmcmullon2465 so what you are saying is that the LS50 gen 1 are already abandonware? I wonder how long it was out before they abandoned it. Don’t you think it’s a little optimistic minded of Kef to think they’re stuff will last ten years when even Apple cuts off phone support after 5 years, Samsung after 4, google after 3. Especially when their own product was phased out soon after release?

@@bearysh LS50 Wireless had and still has many thinks users wanted fixed. When the LS50 II came out these were fixed and addressed. They used more powerful hardware to solve those issues and did not rewrite or fix those issues with the original. So yes they abandoned users. They are now claiming that they recognise this was not a good move - still don't fix it and don't see the same issues for continuing to support the current range or needing to update the processor board or abandoning updates on the current app with future releases. We have seen Sonos and Devialet drop key features and support for discontinued products. They may continue to work as they did but then can not be mixed and matched with the current range. Too many things are now using a mobile phone as the remote and for set up and adjustment. That is a lot to install when you change your phone or fully re-install the operating system.

Good question, it comes up often. Only Kef know the answer, however I’m observing that this type of product is reaching it’s ‘sweet spot’. They’re not for everyone, but there’s definitely a market. Accordingly as the firmware can be updated, and apps are not going anywhere soon, maybe (hopefully) they’ll be ‘current’ for the foreseeable future.

Exactly. I was burned by Definitive Technology on replacement parts for my Mythos towers. The issue never crossed my mind when purchasing. I was sold on the idea of no big subwoofer to place/hide and learned the hard way.

My KEF X300AW exact same issues. The auto switching off issue. The wireless dropouts. Then wireless module died. Then after a while the Ethernet module died. And eventually they would not turn on at all. All within a year or two. Also the app was badly written and never fixed with bugs. Same story with all KEFS networked active speakers. LSX followed mine, and users had the same problems with them and their successor the original LS50W. Expensive useless bricks. KEF still offer very poor warranty. Their networked active speakers will almost definately go faulty within short time period. There is no excuse either. Want to know why ? I have a pair of little Powered active network speakers from Yamaha. NX-N500 and they have been working flawlessly since they were released. MusicCast gets better, never 1 dropout even with wireless, although i use ethernet for 24 bit 192KHz playback. I Don't trust KEF ever again, as much as i'd like to try them, my X300AW did sound amazing while they worked. I would rather trust Buchardt, Dynaudio, or the excellent ELAC NAVIS F51's. I recently bought a pair of Audiopro A38 for my living room and they aren't run in yet but they sound pretty nice for the price i payed. £550 down from £700 and they were higher MSRP new. Now i would like to try out their A48.

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But folks who don’t yet own all that gear aren’t likely to immediately jump to an all-in-one this pricey. So the target buyer has oodles of cash, low audiophile interest, a driving need for a minimalist look, yet can immediately appreciate the sound quality when compared to another lifestyle system. Those buyers do exist, but they are in the Porsche range of the market, metaphorically speaking.

@@pdcragin33 I have been an audiophile for 20 years - I have a store room full of older equipment. Linn, Peachtree, Arcam, Denom, etc. My LS60 are arriving today. Not just for the non-audiophile.

@@pdcragin33 Well, I somewhat agree to a certain extent, but not fully. I see myself as a targeted buyer. I have a high fidelity system (all Meridian) .Cost me an arm and two legs at the time and it cost around the same price as the KEFs. I’ve had my system for 27 years and it’s been brilliant. I use it everyday and had countless very loud parties using it. I would never sell it and will move it to my games room, I’m looking to buy a new system for my living room/lounge. I do not consider myself an audiophile because I don’t constantly trawl magazines wanting to upgrade every five minutes. If you do your research, properly audition and have the money, you’ll be happy. Here are my main reasons for buying. 1. I need a new sound with higher resolution, technology has moved on. 2. My current system is not room friendly and takes up too much space. I want to hide technology so my living room has a cleaner look. 3. I used to be a DJ but now stream all the time because it so convenient. Tidal and Spotify are so good for discovery. 4. Aesthetic’s is also for me. So this may fit the bill. I haven’t heard it yet but will audition. I have two very simple criteria, does it sound really good and does it play loud, party loud? That’s it. If it doesn’t then it’s back to the drawing board and separates again but If it does then I’ll buy. One thing that irritates me is the price of speaker cabling. I had initially had Nordost but was chewed by the pet and then brought cheaper cable and to my surprise has made a difference (worse) and it’s not subtle. Cables quoted today are around £1000-1500 and a lot I believe are snake oil. This system removes that part of the equation. I won’t Pooh-Pooh anything until I’ve heard it for myself or be swayed by snobbish active speaker reviews. The only problem I see with this is with active speakers you’re you’re locked in and technology is rapidly changing. As long as it lasts for the next 5-10 years. Personally, I don’t think it will fit the bill by not being powerful enough but we’ll see. I’d rather spend £6K than £12K-£15K.

@@FAB_Steve_James Congrats, does it play loud, party loud?

@@GBGOLC Well-reasoned, IMHO. You’ve demonstrated how sweeping generalizations like mine must always give way to the specific needs & circumstances of the individual buyer.

Check out Darko's 2nd video on the LS60. A significant portion of the video is on how the LS60 compared to the LS50 + KC.

You can't fault Yamaha. Very well engineered. My NX-N500 powered active speakers from them still work amazing after all these years. The KEF's i had didn't last long, loads of issues very unreliable.

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I had the LS 50 Wireless but traded up for the Wireless II - the new app - which LS 60 will use - is soooooo much better. I have had zero issues with the new app over the last two years.

At only £ 4,499.00 now in the UK virtually 2k discount they are a steal.

Agreed! I just ordered. 😊

These speakers are closed enclosures. No rear port. You can have them close to the wall.

Thanks for noticing that, Ethan. It's been a rough weekend.

Of course. Incredibly frustrating and disappointing.

Me too!