Andy Grammer: Strong Enough to Listen | The Man Enough Podcast

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Multi-platinum songwriter Andy Grammer joins for an honest and uncomfortable conversation about inequality in our families and workplaces, approached with humility and an eagerness to listen and grow.
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ANDY GRAMMER: STRONG ENOUGH TO LISTEN
Multi-platinum songwriter Andy Grammer joins for an honest and uncomfortable conversation about inequality in our families and workplaces, approached with humility and an eagerness to listen and grow.
How do we have more honest conversations, even when they get uncomfortable? Award-winning multi-platinum artist and songwriter Andy Grammer brings his openness and humility to a vital, yet sometimes uncomfortable, conversation. This dynamic and wide-ranging conversation includes:
• How the pandemic revealed inequalities in his own home, as well as its disproportionate effect on women (with shocking statistics from co-host Liz Plank)
• Active steps to address inequality on tours and in the music industry, and how men can create change
• The importance of openly listening, accepting feedback & accountability
Andy’s eagerness to learn and grow, along with his willingness to stay in difficult conversations, reminds us that we all play a role in creating a safer, more just and equitable world.
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@Waltfizney 2 жыл бұрын

For the first time listening to this podcast I felt uncomfortable with the flow of the conversation (as normally I think they’re pretty on point). Then Liz spoke up and so glad she did with such eloquence! This podcast is exactly what the world needs.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback and for staying. It will be uncomfortable sometimes and that's ok. It's part of the work that needs to be done. We appreciate you.

@dmajoriu21 2 жыл бұрын

Liz, I just want to stand on a mountain and yell, YES!!! I’m so glad you raised your voice and spoke and disrupted this “good guy” fragility. You educated so many people. I hope more men, especially straight men, HEAR what you say. We need…we MUST shut down gender roles. PERIODT!!!

@StardomSpace 2 жыл бұрын

When Liz lets loose, it's mind-blowing and thought-provoking. Wow.

@KateStrongHealer 2 жыл бұрын

Hands up who cried when Liz said she was angry and felt like crying .... I heard you all discussing stuff after that but I was still back at that part emotionally. Those stats about women and suicide during covid every woman can understand. I could feel the tension all the way through that discussion after that point so I'm not surprised it got heated. Loved the discussion at the end with the 3 guys.

@nupurbosmiya9983 2 жыл бұрын

Listening to Liz say that 'it makes me angry and it makes me want to cry but I don't want to because I want you guys to take me seriously...', is a battle I have been fighting. It is so much easier to sideline a woman when they start crying. I don't think I have related more than in that moment. Thank you, Liz. (also your research skills are awesome, can I be your apprentice? xD) P.S. Is there any way we can get the research that Liz has been quoting in the podcast?

@gwenadams4509 2 жыл бұрын

Wow What a Marathon Chat..Liz again just put it out there.You are so real lady.. You stand up for every woman in the world.Here is South Africa gender based violence against women is huge and there are so many organizations trying hard to fight this " Pandemic".... And the household chores thing definitely comes from way back when women were Stay home moms/ housewives and men went out to work to provide.Now in the 21st Century it is all changing because women are taking on roles that only men did in the work place and that is still a hard thing to change in many cultures.Then Racism and Sexism is also still to in "Your Face" here in SA as well as the rest of the world. Hopefully our Millennials will be the change.Thanj you all for putting it out there to start a new way forward..Eish there is so much I would like to say...Andy I love your Music.....Take Care 🙏🙏🙏

@michaellayer7641 2 жыл бұрын

Read her 2019 book For the Love of Men!

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaellayer7641 Exactly!

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

We are working on show notes for all the episodes and should have them up on manenough.com/podcast soon. And, as Michael says in the comments, reading Liz's book, For the Love of Men, is highly recommended.

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a cryer and gay, I felt that to my core.

@lejana5027 Жыл бұрын

Liz is so eloquent, I come back to this episode often for her data, her vulnerability, her questions. Thank you. Thank you all for giving her the space to be a woman and be heard.

@WeAreManEnough Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for all the love and support

@DoraEsparragoza 10 күн бұрын

Liz are the best of the podcast. Your job are incredible, and you are so valiant to front this guys

@worldcitizen6257 2 жыл бұрын

On a show called "Man Enough", I'm glad there is a woman there. Liz really challenged them. Her book definitely challenged me. I highly recommend reading it.

@michaellayer7641 2 жыл бұрын

The word missing from today's conversation is: FRAGILITY. Men need to handle their uncomfort better so that we can dismantle patriarchy

@rudyl4341 10 ай бұрын

Jamie at the end almost made me wanna give up listening. More concerned about how men feel than how Liz left that conversation. Ugh! 😤

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

This made me uncomfortable and sad. It was powerful and I really appreciate Liz and the guys. I watched this 3 times. As a gay man who was raised mostly by a single mom. The whole thing struck close to home, generationally, I saw in all my families homes, the cavalier attitudes men have. I have seen violence go through the roof in San Antonio Texas during the pandemic (we are 70% POC). Thanks for sticking up for women. I also am so proud of the guys for sticking around to continue the conversation and being respectful of Liz and her passion and concerns.

@brandonlopez3902 2 жыл бұрын

Man Enough Crew, I would love to talk about all this stuff as a young Chicano man. I wish I could sit at that desk with you all and just chat it up. Keep going, crew, it's been a helluva ride thus far.

@cynthiagomez6433 2 жыл бұрын

I was talking to my best friend about the podcast and my favorite episodes, I honestly got so excited to talk about it and share it with someone. I just felt the need to watch this episode again. This episode and conversation truly sticks with me since watching/listening to it when it first came out. I appreciate everyone who has taken part in making this podcast happen, thank you 🥲

@lazolalala1576 2 жыл бұрын

Oh man. This episode got me 😭 Liz said it. Nothing is more draining than trying not to cry(even if it’s the appropriate reaction because that’s how you feel) because you want to be taken seriously and heard as a woman, add on being black on top of that because of “the angry black woman” narrative.. Oh man, this made me cry and angry all over again because it’s my reality

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

It's quite a journey. Glad it resonated with you. Calling you that, or even just calling you an angry person of any kind (even without the racist or sexist statements) is just wrong. Your anger is valid and it's an attempt to excuse themselves from accountability for what has angered you. We need to change the normalization of that narrative.

@sofiainostroza9481 2 жыл бұрын

Ok but i loved this episode for 2 things, first of i can't even put to words how liz saying she wanted to cry but didn't because she needed to be taken seriously speaks volumes, because every time a man on the show or any show for that matter, gets emotional or shed a tear is called brave or a "real men" whose in contact with their feeling. But for us women is the opposite, if you show them no matter how important the message is, it all comes down to "you are too sensitive" but with a negative connotation to it, almost like you are a little girl who can't control their emotions. So instead we hold it in, and in the end of the day we became ashamed or angry to have them and wish we could feel a little less specially surrounded by men. (for the record i think feeling to much is a bleesing and i would prefer it a 100 times over being numbed) And the second thing i loved, is how you have real discussions and present a theme with real different perspectives, bc 1 shows diverse stops of the same road which we all want to get at the end, and 2 makes you prove your point double as hard so there is no doubt or misscomunication and only a space for learn new points and grow from them I love watching you guys and feeling like i'm part of the conversation

@Summer-xe6in 2 жыл бұрын

This is a wonderful conversation. There was so many emotions and I am happy that Liz gave the three of them that space because I think they eventually settled on a good place to acknowledge that they were defensive for the reasons that aren't necessary.

@suzettephinn7829 2 жыл бұрын

This conversation was so uncomfortable 😐. But it's so good at the same time. Let's go deeper. ❤❤❤. I can't stop crying, some deeply rooted stuff got stirred. 😢

@vanhoudtshoorn 2 жыл бұрын

So true. Uncomfortable brings comfort, I think.

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. These podcast stir all kinds of feelings. It’s really amazing, heartbreaking, and powerful.

@daniestrada8977 2 жыл бұрын

Woooow. This one was overwhelming! Liz shooked everyone. I finished her book yesterday, and I really recomend. I read Justin's book, and second Liz's one, and really make a difference, there are perfect complement to.undertand old this shit on our world! Thank you guys...🤍

@Fernando-fr5cu 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best podcast in the world right now. Best best best. Please, everybody share this podcast. It is helping make this a better world. This are meaningful conversations and we NEED more of this in our lives. Great service!!!!

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, Fernando. It means the world to us that this is resonating so much.

@Fernando-fr5cu 2 жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough I'm sharing your potcast with everyone I know. This is what we all need. Meaningful conversation to make the world better one day at a time. Please continue. You guys are doing a great service. Really really appreciate your service.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

@@Fernando-fr5cu Thank you so much. We can market it all day every day, but nothing is as impactful as people like you telling people personally that it's worth their time. Appreciate you.

@bowenarrows7819 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate Liz speaking up, and the men for trying to listen. With Jamey's initial response, I was taken aback. So often, when women speak about issues, men have the initial response of "well, I don't do that. Not all men do that". And like Liz said, the white liberal, when talking about race, etc. the knee jerk reaction of "well, that's not me". And that's why this podcast is so important and so good. You all are constantly learning from each other and expressing these things, and giving us a front row view to it.

@greenbeancasserole6646 2 жыл бұрын

Please have Brene Brown on your podcast too!!! She can also help with how to approach these conversations and how to be vulnerable!!!

@melissawalker9467 2 жыл бұрын

I love when men are vulnerable.

@cynthiagomez6433 2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I loved that this was an uncomfortable conversation. Being in uncomfortable conversations is something I need to work on myself, so it was nice to see. I appreciate the fact that Liz is there so much. Listening to her POV as a young woman is really eye opening to what I subconsciously contribute to. When Liz talks about feeling angry but not wanting to cry so she’s taken seriously, pulled at my heartstrings so much. I have that problem when trying to talk to my parents about anything, it’s honestly so frustrating. I would love to see some of this conversation, specifically, carry over to the next episode. Thank you to Liz for suggesting that the men digest it on their own.

@LeezPgh 2 жыл бұрын

Truly. I don’t know how many of the men Jamie is talking about will listen to this podcast. Maybe a few. Over time maybe more. But I do know that women will listen. And they will listen to see what it’s like to see and hear men that even care. And to see men like Andy hear the hardest stuff and want to stay and want to care. And that is healing. And that will give hope. And that will help women stand up for themselves more, and require better standards for themselves in relationship to men. That is another way that this can impact us all.

@setra-8769 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for expressing your frustration Liz. Coming from a non-binary but born male perspective who's seen how women fill in all kinds of gaps left behind by men in the household and beyond, it's frustrated me all my life. My father just handles the income (and at some point gambled it all away for years) and gardening, everything else is on my mom. Over 40 years of marriage, nothing has changed. I, myself, was married to man (same sex marriage) who was only taking on household chores (cleaning + laundry) that he was "comfortable" doing - everything else was on me. So there is still also patriarchy in same-sex relationships, the more "masculine" ones get to choose what they want to do (even they typically procrastinate) and be congratulated for doing it. And Jamey, we can't give you credit just for trying to learn. It's showing up by doing that deserves credit. For the men in the panel, you need to learn to be able to do all the tasks women have been taught or taught themselves to do. Making agreements often means completely separate tasks are delegated between the masculine and the feminine - one doesn't do what the other is doing. This is not equality; it's still patriarchy.

@TamaraLeaMusic 2 жыл бұрын

🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻. I love your comment. Totally agree with you.

@carolcampbell4180 2 жыл бұрын

I love this, love this, love this! None of this is simple. It is not easy but you all stayed which in any of these talks about oppression/ oppressor is what is required. Jamie was filled with emotion because of the urgent need that we straddle the line between calling in and calling out and it is true that different occasions require different responses. I appreciate all of you. Liz, the fact that you walked away and gave them space to process shows your power! This effort is absolutely in my prayers! Oh and Andy, you walk the talk of your lyrics!

@hillaroni Жыл бұрын

Wow. I’m sobbing in gratitude and awe. I’m so grateful this conversation is happening and evolving. Thanks to all of you from the bottom of my heart. Liz - you are so important, I’m so proud of you, human to human. Hats off to you all 💚

@StardomSpace 2 жыл бұрын

Just finished listen #2. Gotta say again, would love a special episode of Justin and Jamey interviewing Liz about her book and work, talking about the deep data she collects and incorporates, etc ... and have everyone on the couches like the LilRel episode! 😁

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

We're recording that episode today! Stay tuned - it will be out this Fall.

@StardomSpace 2 жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough whaaaat?! So awesome!

@sarahgardiner4929 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this, there were so many instances where you could have edited/cut stuff out for the sake of ‘keeping the peace’ but you were honest and allowed everyone to really show their discomfort, anger and hurt towards the conversation and we needed to see all of it. Thank you for uploading this, seriously

@charlene336 2 жыл бұрын

Heyyyyy, my favorite fellas and gal! What a nice way to wake up on a Monday!

@okterlox0 2 жыл бұрын

That was great and I thought how the guys took the end alone and dealt with the things they were having difficult feelings about was courageous and set a great example for others to follow.

@michaellayer7641 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Liz!! You are incredibly brave for calling out ineffectual men. I think you're really correcting the ship on what kind of podcast this can be ❤️

@skakid7386 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, I'm one of the guys you spoke about who is very late in coming to the table; I'm just realizing how little I know and how biased/insensitive I have been. Thank you for challenging me to both acknowledge my weakness (openly, publicly) and to get my ass in gear doing better. This is only my second podcast with you all, and I'm so glad that there are more!

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome! It's wonderful to hear that you're starting on this journey and embracing the challenge of looking at yourself with a different perspective. It's not easy, and it's never too late. Lots of other conversations to enjoy here.

@imagelle 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this podcast every week, Liz is great and the last segment was a great way to end it.

@gwenadams4509 2 жыл бұрын

There is so much to be said about the podcast..So many topics covered that are a Global issues.Thank you Liz for giving the guys food for thought and Thanks guys for unpacking it the way you did..❤🙏🙏✨✨

@alessiacraiu3392 2 жыл бұрын

This episode was amazing. I think we all should be brave enough to start conversations that feel uncomfortable and brave enough to be called out for our mistakes and listen. I started having these conversations with my family and friends, it's not always easy to bring up these subjects but I feel that people need to hear what's going on and where all the problems start. Thank you for inspiring me and many others!❤

@jillingtondubz 2 жыл бұрын

Sorta felt like this conversation just danced around inequality by saying 'i do laundry'. That's not the problem but I appreciate you guys taking these very early steps to equality. I hope that we can come a loooooot further from here. I know it feels hurtful to hear someone call you out, but it also feels hurtful from the other side to try to have someone come close to seeing the other perspective and instead having the conversation revolve around doing laundry. Gunna have to work on handling this myself. Thank you for this conversation.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, sincerely, for your feedback. We agree that we must go much, much further than laundry. It was a very simple example and part of our goal for the show is to make it accessible to people that are at all stages of the journey. Some people have never considered these issues before, so if we can get them to start by putting it through the lens of simple household chores, then that's progress. We have to push it much farther and get there faster, but we do believe that we have to meet people where they are. Thank you for being here.

@jonandermorousabiaga839 2 жыл бұрын

14:34 "It's your clothes, why don't you wanna wash your clothes" Liz plank I'm dead 😂, you're the best and 100% right

@romiq086 2 жыл бұрын

I think this was a great conversation. I also think that it shows how real conversations about these topics with people you love can go. Not everyone will react in the same way, and that’s ok. What is important is what happens afterwards. It will be interesting to see a conversation happen about the aftermath, about how to come to the table again after having so many emotions. Because that’s real life, we are all learning and it is important to see the different ways people take in information that can make them feel uncomfortable, where do we go from this? Really enjoy all the episodes from this podcast

@katieelmas6371 2 жыл бұрын

When Liz says " I'm trying not to cry, (tears of anger) so that you take me seriously" I was so furious with her.

@vanhoudtshoorn 2 жыл бұрын

Wow this is crazy. I was listening yesterday to Andy Grammar's music. I love his songs. Went for a picnic with my son and friends. Just mentioned to them, would be amazing if Manenough invites Andy Grammer. And he is on now🤗. You are all just amazing❤. Thank you

@StardomSpace 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for Monday's episode and how this convo continues

@deborahdenard8452 Жыл бұрын

Laundry like cooking and making the bed are life skills. Be brave enough to learn these life skills and to share them with your family or flatmates. This is not rocket science it is equality, participation and sharing the load because you care enough. Great discusssion.

@WeAreManEnough Жыл бұрын

Glad you appreciated the discussion. Thank you.

@LeezPgh 2 жыл бұрын

Bless you Andy.

@belledelemos9615 2 жыл бұрын

What an amazing conversation it is mind blowing 😌 grateful for your transparent conversation…

@lindseyedward9775 2 жыл бұрын

I've had some tendencies, and I haven't been my best in the past. Thank you Jamie. I want to say that mental clarity, sobriety, and maturity literally and spiritually has brought me to the best point of my life. You know what it is? Love. "True love casts out fear" and bias and brings out the true goodness within us to connect and evolve into our best self and community. 💜 Hugs💜

@rudyl4341 10 ай бұрын

In my mind, Andy, mentioned men having to be shaken and to grow a pair because of the way Justin and Jamie reacted to Liz’s comments. The way she said she didn’t wanna cry cause she wanted to be taken seriously and then the men did whatever they wanted with her words. We have sooooooo much work to do. I love this podcast cause that’s how messy these conversations can get and I hope I get to see an evolution in the men on this podcast, on myself and the man around me. Liz you’re a badass!! 💖✌🏽

@lc8525 2 жыл бұрын

Liz!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 WOW

@LeezPgh 2 жыл бұрын

Bless you Liz.

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

This was so raw and Liz was so hurt that honestly I felt hurt too.

@dovaillancourt 2 жыл бұрын

Liz, ça fait plaisir d’entendre du positif sur le Québec. Merci !

@JanleeBR 2 жыл бұрын

This is good stuff, everyone is right, and I do agree, there needs to be space, love you guys and love what you do.

@MichelleEstrada 2 жыл бұрын

Liz was on one today hahah in a good way. She really cut right through to the point and stayed focused on the purpose of this podcast. Love her for that. I went to school today too hahah❤️ Justin is such a peacemaker here and I love it! Haha he always brings his heart to the conversations and I think that is really hard to do. For anyone but especially as a man. So I’m glad he’s doing that. ❤️and that point about “calling men IN vs calling men OUT” that’s what it seemed like Jamey was Trying to say? Jamey might not have communicated his point *perfectly* but he’s 100% right period. 100% his feelings are valid too. And he’s right about there needing to be room for men and even just people.. to say “hey I don’t get this and that or I’m new to these conversations but im open” like so long as they know they’re not walking into an ambush. ❤️ And I get that defensive nature so much especially as someone who has also been affected by the masculinity norms I’ve taken some of those beliefs on myself. I live my life according to society’s norms it feels like. Like not wanting to cry not wanting to show emotions being “white washed” not wanting to change my mind or shift positions on something or be Wrong god forbid I am ever wrong because I too will get very defensive and I do think we have society’s racism and the patriarchy to blame for that but also, trauma my own trauma. And it’s something I’m trying to work on. I think all in all Empathy is the word we all need to have and apply in conversations like this. Anyway, I def felt triggered during the convo so that’s a good sign right.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing so openly and honestly. It's a journey for all of us and can be very uncomfortable to recognize our own biases, even when our intentions are good. Appreciate you.

@MichelleEstrada 2 жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough Sooo true. Ofc. Thank you! Sorry I comment so much i just love these talks!

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

@@MichelleEstrada Please don't apologize! We love your love.

@joaovitormedeiros2929 2 жыл бұрын

The most important thing is to give grace to each other. It's tough, especially for us ,men, to "unlearn" something that we have been taught for a long time , even apply a basic principle that might improve our way of living and the way we approach stuff in life. What about being more open and graceful about what men/women have to say as opposed to pointing our fingers to them?

@sarbjeetkhosaUcan 2 жыл бұрын

I am so grateful to you guys, because masculinity really needs to change. I can see how men hurt their women in one way or another and consider the an object. I am happy to see you guys to create a safe place for men to know how they and women are raised in the same way.. I have asked my friend to buy this book and he did and share with me how he was raised in the same way you people and it needs to be changed

@neerajparkar1259 2 жыл бұрын

I loved this episode so much...... Theres so much of learning and so much of work to do ..... Liz I appreciate you so much to sit there have those conversations with the data to dig in more about the problem of masculinity and patriarchy. I am late here to join this podcast but I am glad I do listen to ..... I will keep on listening ... I repeat I will keep on listening and working.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

We see you and thank you for your support of this work. We are in this together echo the same sentiments-- we will keep listening, and working!

@ninafrei1229 2 жыл бұрын

"it makes me angry and it makes me want to cry but I don't want to because I want you guys to take me seriously..." is the new "it's just a stupid bus" from sex education. I literally want it tattooed on my arm because it resonated with me so deeply, I have been Liz so many times in my life, especially when I have been the only woman in a group.

@napuaoney8593 2 жыл бұрын

My first episode because I’m an Andy fan, started on iTunes but then came here, and AMAZING SHOW!!! Excuse me while I backtrack and binge on all previous episodes. Blessings to you for being brave enough to have this show and talk about, share and bring light to the “uncomfortable”!!!! To me it shows your a much stronger man if you open up about your feelings address them and then take steps to change to be a better human being to others as well as yourself. In short THANK YOU.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful, thank you for joining us on this journey. Can't wait to hear what you think as you dive in.

@napuaoney8593 2 жыл бұрын

Not to keep harping on the laundry point…but this evening as I was changing the sheets I was reflecting back on this show and all I had done so far today8pm (3 loads of laundry, vacuumed the upstairs rooms including the bathroom & the fan vents in the bathrooms upstairs, changed out the sheets, cleaned the toilets in the upstairs bathrooms & emptied the upstairs bathrooms trash & the laundry room trash, worked at trying to get some rust stains off the carpet, made dinner, feed and played with the cat, fixed the pump in the cat water fountain, emptied out the dishwasher) and what is on my list for tomorrow (rest of the laundry, vacuum downstairs, change the air filters upstairs & downstairs, clean cat box) and I got to thinking, as a wife who works a 40hr work week too, sometimes a simple thank you or hey I appreciate that you did , or “wow dinner was so good thanks, that being said sharing the load would also be AMAZING and open up my “free time” frame a bit.

@MilaErives 2 жыл бұрын

I love this podcast so much ❤️ it makes me truly reflect and think outside of my own persona/ego box. I have been playing it so much out loud while I cook or work that my boyfriend has started listening to it and it has sparked some great conversations ❤️ it makes me happy that this is one of the outcomes of this beautiful podcast thank you guys/lady (;

@vanhoudtshoorn 2 жыл бұрын

Great conversation🔥. Thank you.Very informative, challenging, uncomfortable but beautiful. Loved the laundry part. Will be the next conversation with my boys. Will watch this podcast again with them😊. Now from the racist part, Jamie's words resonates deeply, as a coloured South African. You 4 were amazing❤🌞

@sarajesus744 2 жыл бұрын

This is becaming my favorite podcast. Liz intervention was very powerful. To know that many woman are committing suicide is very frigther. It is so good listen thense conversations and hope that one day these situations will change.

@beautybecomesher 2 жыл бұрын

God, I love Liz. Every time she really gets her point across, and I can see and fee the men actually listen, I cry. I felt her reaction when she was like, “who does the laundry then?” Oof. Her stats, life experience, and feelings as a woman coming through so perfectly and eloquently, got me. It’s so hard sometimes to explain what it is to be a woman in this world, even to well-intentioned, caring men. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💗💗💗

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

We feel the same way! Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, we appreciate you being here.

@kuhlmanboudreaux-tolo9092 2 жыл бұрын

There are so many things to love about this conversation. I thinks it’s ironic how y’all are asking, “how do we create this space for genuine growth?” while simultaneously creating the space. Like, honestly. I’m sitting here watching grown men and women of different color sit and discuss the “ugly truths” that we’ve been conditioned to ignore and the actual impact that we have on the world when we ignore them. Like, You are the space. Just by showing up and shutting up you provide the intellectual space for these truths to be brought to light. I don’t know about you but I am definitely more aware now, than before watching this, of different nuances of inequality in a flightless world bound for the stars. And as for growing thicker skin, Andy would know how to grow a callus lol so what I have gained from this is to be respectful, keep pushing, feel uncomfortable, love everything you do, speak into existence what you wish to see everyday and love everyone you know. Thanks for the enlightenments.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. We strive to be a space for growth, so you saying that means an incredible amount to us. We have a long way to go and we're so happy you're here on this journey with us. Please let us know how we can do more anytime.

@karlajimenez9754 2 жыл бұрын

Women in Afghanistan are REALLY SUFFERING HORRIBLE situations and here we have a woman with SO MUCH PRIVILEGE AND FREEDOM simply for being in a country like the USA and also being "white" complaining because there very respectful, sincere men did not say what she expected them to EVEN THOUGH they are saying how they do try to be better and help out. 😔 Feel so bad for the women who REALLY SUFFER to see women like Liz complaining for something like this.... They would be so insulted I think. Women in countries like this ARE REALLY MISTREADED, beaten and hurt in every way and would change their situation in a heart beat with a woman like Liz. My friends and I are woman, and I watched this episodes and felt so disappointed to see this today. We acknowledged Liz right to feel however she did and express herself yet we wanted to share this message so that her and other women would be aware of women with far less rights and think how her complains would be insulting to them. She has the right to be in a public platform, sharing her opinions on a room with men. Women in other countries cannot even dream about something like this. Please invite other women in this show as well! Thanks :)

@user-eq3fl2iq4c 2 жыл бұрын

Yessss!!!! Just like my GIRL-FRIENDS AND I FELT!!! :(

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback. Please note that this episode was recorded in March, so it is not intended to address current events in real-time. That said, we agree that there are extremely serious issues beyond those discussed on this series that need to be addressed regularly. We will use our platform in every way possible to liberate women and all humans in ever way we can, while staying focused on our core theme of positive masculinity and deconstructing the patriarchy. This is certainly tied to what is happening in Afghanistan. Our hosts try to recognize their privilege and address it, and are also works in progress like all of us. We will definitely have more female guests on the podcast as well. Thank you for being here and for challenging us to expand the conversation in every way we can.

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t that kind of the point? We live in this amazing society, but honestly there are so many things that set us back when we should be a utopia. I live in San Antonio Texas, massive Hispanic population, low income, little education. The abuse that happens in this city, rape, abuse, beatings, shootings, etc to women is frightening and we saw a horrible increase in crimes against women during the pandemic. Liz wasn’t off the mark, she was right on target. And she wasn’t talking about her, she dates women. She was talking about the real situations that occur among women around the world. If you listen to Liz regularly, she is always talking about statistics that affect people of color. Do you know what happens when emasculated men of color do when they go home frustrated and have lives through their own abuse? They beat kids and wives and the cycle continues. Her breaking in was about men being consciously in the moment and stopping the cycle of violence that plagues many of our communities of color and lower income neighborhoods. She stood up for all women because being a nice guy shouldn’t be rewarded, it should just be the standard.

@dillonallen-perez 2 жыл бұрын

Liz Plank saved this episode.

@dianasramirez5554 2 жыл бұрын

This episode began to bug me until Liz spoke up & it literally made me get teary eyed because the one person I was thinking of was my dad when y'allwere talking about not doing laundry. Don't get me wrong, he is an amazing man, however his way of thinking is what I battle with the most. I am still trying to find ways of breaking him out of his machismo state of mind without him getting defensive. He doesn't see it as "machismo" but some of his actions and many of his comments make my blood boil. Let me know when you guys translate your episodes to Spanish! 😁 Anyway, Great episode 👏🏽 Liz is such a badass. Love her! ❤️

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience with us! We will definitely keep you posted when translated, and hope this helps give you insight on how to start some of these conversations. We highly recommend Sam Baldoni's episode which is Justin's dad and they unpack some of their relationship together.

@AntoinetteMPetty 2 жыл бұрын

This was a hard one. Thank you guys. Y'all need to talk more on racism. That's a hot topic, Thank you again

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

It was a hard one, which makes it absolutely essential. We could never speak about racism enough and have focused in on that a lot since this episode. Some episodes have really taken it on, such as Dr. Joy DeGruy, Eldra Jackson, this week's with Richie and Mannie, and some upcoming ones. Jamey does a great job of reminding Justin and Liz (and sometimes our guests) of their white privilege and unconscious bias (i.e. racism in a lot of cases) and bringing in his POV on the Black experience, and we continue to invite guests that will bring additional perspectives. Lots of work to do and big gaps remain in the conversation to date. Thank you for the feedback.

@tedsmithlife 9 ай бұрын

💙💙💙

@frankieGSXR 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Justin are you able to do this video on Spotify not only just audio would be awesome.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

It might be possible in the future. Our current distribution deal requires it to be here for now.

@altheaflores1432 2 жыл бұрын

Please bring aijia we want her

@marilynclulow883 2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes i think men should really listen to themselves, in spite of patriarchy and their conditioning, they truly do not want to change, they do not want to do women’s work because they think it is not only hard, it is demeaning and they really like being waited on and served and no matter what they say , they don’t want to give up that privilege. As a woman I don’t blame them because I grew up with maids and household help , I hardly had to lift a finger, it was not expected of me, i took it for granted , getting married and realizing I was the maid was quite a shock . I became a strong activist when Women’s Lib came to town , I redefined the terms of my marriage, I decided what I was prepared to do or not]. ]we fought that battle and continue fighting . I know I have won. Also racism and sexism are easy to give up, once the scales drop from your eyes , that’s it , done. I was racist once the scales dropped from my eyes , I cried in shame and in an instant I was over it.

@NikaPerepelitsa 2 жыл бұрын

Please, invite Justin Bieber to the podcast, I think he is super interesting at that topic. Thanks for your very deeply opened conversation. Greetings from Ukraine!

@JanleeBR 2 жыл бұрын

I wanna be on this show!!!!

@renovate-yourlife6764 2 жыл бұрын

Could the biggest difference between the sexes is that of feeling self pride?? Boys are taught, gifted it and girls are taught to hand it over to him. I wonder different things would be if we shared self pride?

@brittniriane 2 жыл бұрын

This episode is the perfect example of male fragility.. Liz wasn't using using gloves. They were all comfortable pumping each other up and they were completely wrong.

@yusefnawasreh4026 2 жыл бұрын

I'm really inspired by all your podcasts, and I really want to get the book but I cant seem to find it anywhere! Where can i buy the book from if i live in dubai?

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. Checking on availability in Dubai and will get back to you ASAP.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

You should be able to buy it in the UAE here: uae.kinokuniya.com/products?utf8=%E2%9C%93&is_searching=true&restrictBy%5Bavailable_only%5D=1&keywords=justin+baldoni&taxon=&x=0&y=0

@yusefnawasreh4026 2 жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough thanx alot finally will sure check it out

@Julie-hu5kb Жыл бұрын

I’m familiar with Andy he’s a nice dude it seems he’s very down to earth

@marilynclulow883 2 жыл бұрын

A Baha’i friend tried to get me to join the Faith, but when I looked at the fact that the Universal House of Justice, the governing body was all male and the reason for that was a secret, that was when I realized how hypocritical the Baha’i faith is, especially when I see how they love to describe how men and women are equally regarded and they love to quote that life is like a bird , one wing is held up by women the other by men and that the bird couldn’t fly if the wings weren’t in balance. This is such a nonsense and hypocritical thing to spout when their governing body is all male.As a woman . I would say no thanks. That is why I do not belong to any religion, When asked I say I just hang out with God, works a treat for me.

@39tikk 2 жыл бұрын

How exhausting it must be for Liz to have to deal with all that male fragility.

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure she looks at it as fragility, but rather how sad it is that men are out in cages that ultimately cause issues for the whole planet. I have often said that being gay in society sucked, but being gay was so freeing because it gave me the excuse to like anything I wanted so I ended up happier. I think she looks at men and ultimately thinks we are bond so tight and miserable, we just spread that misery. Now we just need to set ourselves free and therefore free the world. These bonds were given to us, but we can get rid of them ourselves.

@39tikk 2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 I definitely agree with you on all of this. I was just referring to Jamie getting a little defensive, which was definitely a result of him still dealing with that cage of masculinity. But yes, I agree that more than being exhausted by this specific incident, she definitely seems to feel sorry for men, which shows how compassionate she is and the depth of her understanding of this issue. I hope that men can and will be freed as well. For all our sakes.

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

@@39tikk yeah. I understand that.

@OlaideBanksMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Ok. So Andy Grammer came on the show, acknowledged that he has this area of growth and talk about how he wants to work on it and Liz says that she's angry at him. She's not angry at him, she's angry about the problem and her history and here is somebody opening up and trying to work on it and he's attacked. I agree with where she wants to get, I want to get there and many men want to get there, but as Jamey was sharing to paraphrase, there is literally no upside to attacking the people who want to be allies.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback. Andy did not feel attacked and everyone came away feeling that it was an intense, yet productive conversation. That said, we understand how it might have come across and appreciate you sharing how it landed.

@OlaideBanksMusic 2 жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough yeah I watched it through to the end and he was really cool about it, so I guess if he’s good and Liz is goo then I’m good ✌🏾

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

@@OlaideBanksMusic They are. :) Thank you.

@kwstaskwtidis1789 2 жыл бұрын

Could you invite Mario? The singer/songwriter Mario?

@TamaraLeaMusic 2 жыл бұрын

This should be Liz’s podcast. The thing is that naturally there is a bit of pushback against her. By saying you have agreement is a way to bypass this convo somewhat. I challenge the 3 of you to really just take on doing EVERYTHING for a week …because some people don’t feel they have a choice. Single parents have to do everything . As a mother, I make it my work to teach my son that no job has gender. No one thing in the family unit is gender specific. You have kids they are part of you ( wether biological or non-biological)and you are 100 % responsible along with ones partner is 100 % responsible. If we looked at all things with a gender fluid response , we could cut out a lot of the bull💩. We are all here for a finite time, I’m not here to be anyone’s maid, I’m here to live a full life in the family unit of my choice and to be happy in it and also have the ability and power to make a point that this is lacking at times in the family unit and be heard and respected.

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We agree with so much of what you wrote.

@telly_0 2 жыл бұрын

Can you please include links to Liz's statistics?

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

We're working to get show notes up on manenough.com/podcast soon.

@user-eq3fl2iq4c 2 жыл бұрын

I like this podcast and I like the conversations that invite us to learn from one another YET, watching this episode with my female friends we all DISAGREE with the way Liz handle this. We acknowledge her right to feel what she did and to be able to say it. Yet we did not feel angry at all with what the men in this podcast were saying. As a matter of fact felt bad that she could have made them feel bad when they were so respectful and talking about their willingless to help out at home. Neither of them were rude or like "That's a woman's job, don't care..." they weren't like that. My friends and I think they are really sincere and trying to be better and help out! We congratulate you men! ✨ 🤩 PS: From a group of women to you all with love :)

@karlajimenez9754 2 жыл бұрын

AGREE!!! I also. Watched it with 2 of my female friends and thought what you said!!! I wish they had other women besides Liz. She DOES NOT represent us all women. As a matter of fact my friends who also watch this videos said they don't agree with her a lot of the time either.

@user-eq3fl2iq4c 2 жыл бұрын

@@karlajimenez9754 Agree!!! We felt the same way. Not to be rude but we are just sharing our opinions. Liz has had comments in other episodes that we can relate to, but over all, she is not a woman we could say that represents us. We would like to see other women in the show as well who think different from her, with another background too, would be nice.

@karlajimenez9754 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-eq3fl2iq4c totally. There are women who like gentlemen, who like when men do acts of service for us just because they want to be nice and polite and that does not make us less. There are women who do like man to go work out from home, while they stay home and raise children which is they most important and precious job in the world - raising human beings - the next generation! ✨ Would be nice to see other women as well sit on this table and share their opinions as well :)

@user-eq3fl2iq4c 2 жыл бұрын

@@karlajimenez9754 Agree 👍🏻

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you both for your feedback. It's wonderful that you have your own point of view and you're welcome to express that here. Liz does not believe she represents all women at all and we will continue to invite more women and humans on that represent a diversity of views. Our reason for being is to create a safe place for conversation, for differing opinions, so this type of dialogue is exactly what we're going for. There is no single right answer, other than the need for us to speak and act in ways that liberate each other and help each other feel heard and respected. Thank you for expressing your thoughts in a respectful fashion and for helping our community understand a different perspective on this conversation.

@thekaitlyncasson Жыл бұрын

I think what really backed Liz into a corner was the very flippant, bro talk way you guys were all talking about not doing laundry. It seemed like a boys club justifying each other's behavior and laughing at it with a lot of ego stroking leading up to that. "I didn't do a lot of around the house things" even the way that is described is insane. You don't take equal responsibility for running your house is what you meant. When Justin asked for clarification, the initial thing Andy did was seek common ground with Justin over not doing laundry. That may not be the case for Justin as he has agreed with Emily on how to run their home but for Andy he never once mentioned how his Wife felt about him not doing the laundry. It was a very him centered conversation. You don't need therapy to be of service to your family first. The fact that you don't like doing yet it women don't have a choice is what gets us so angry to have to tell you it's not about liking it. It's about having a responsibility to your family and to your partner to share the load. Is looking after a family not work? Is the only "real" work that which is done out of the home as that is essentially what you all said. You are out all day so you don't have to but whether she is in all day or not, should she still have to do it all? Women don't get time to decide or ruminate over how they feel about doing laundry or any house/care-taking/children raising related task, they have to do them or they don't get done and the household suffers. There is something deeper but you can process that whilst also taking action every day to do something to help with the load in the home. Do the inner work whilst also doing the outer work. A lot of the conversation around becoming "better men" sounds very performative like you are trying to be better men for everyone but your partners, wives, children. It all starts at home, in your home, with your family. Don't be discouraged when a woman says the inner work isn't enough right now the action has to follow and quick. Do both at the same time and piece by piece it will improve on both.

@WeAreManEnough Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your frank feedback and the challenges you bring to our hosts. This was early in the season and this conversation, specifically, created a lot of self-reflection and growth. Justin and Jamey later apologized to Liz on the show (see Emily episode) and they have all continued to evolve over the course of the year. It is a journey and it's messy to unpack the biases and messages of masculinity that have shaped us all for our whole lives. We're staying at the table, calling in more people that will challenge us in different ways, and we're not going to stop. So glad you're here with us, keeping us accountable and sharing your perspective.

@thekaitlyncasson Жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough love you all. Important and tough conversations are paving the way for a better future and you are all living that ✨️ keep going 💪

@WeAreManEnough Жыл бұрын

@@thekaitlyncasson Thank you! Sending you love as well.

@TheMissFlips Жыл бұрын

Also, what men don’t think about is that when women stay home and take care of the kids and take care of the house work, they have absolutely no time for themselves unless men “give them the day off”. Whereas men get to come home from work and relax and not get disturbed because that’s their time. Stay at home moms do NOT get that kind of freedom

@davidvalenta9394 2 жыл бұрын

it's solid to remain in the space & hear the reactions, but: anyone, male or female, needs to accept that sometimes what's _perceived- by one is not always the _intention- of the other... ie: me holding a door is a courtesy to any gender.. not a statement of male able-ness & dominance reinforcing the patriarchy. (sigh). sometimes keeping the reactions held is what's needed; hopefully reactive assumptions/presumptions will dissipate in time as we all grow. if a spouse is out of commission/ sick, etc., spouses need to keep things rolling. it's been done and has been done in single-parent households. Dads learn to cover all when a wife/mother leaves or dies.. Males need to learn all household responsibility before pairing up to create a family; the only thing a guy can't do is to naturally breastfeed. The rest doesn't require a gender or check w/ feelings or question a 'role' to get the necessary job done. Feelings & labels don't matter when there's a nose or a butt to be wiped or clean clothes ready or meal on the table. With two incomes plus, needed to survive in most places these days, labels & roles shouldn't get in the way of minimal skill-sets.

@chrissymou9367 2 жыл бұрын

More women guests please

@TheMissFlips Жыл бұрын

I think something that is not included or talked about in this discussion is the fact that women don’t have the same jobs that men have. I haven’t looked at the statistics, but I’d be willing to bet that during the pandemic, men had more jobs that allowed them to work from home instead of being laid off. I’d be willing to bet that more women were laid off from their jobs than men from there’s. Not numbers, but ratio wise

@michaellayer7641 2 жыл бұрын

"you're gonna learn a lot more if you read Liz's book, than if you read mine." Yeah, Justin, we can tell

@vanhoudtshoorn 2 жыл бұрын

Grammar

@InTheHillCountry 4 ай бұрын

I don’t really understand this one, maybe I need to listen to more episodes. I also didn’t understand bringing up the issue of female suicide so much without mentioning male suicide which is 10x more frequent, especially considering this is supposed to be a podcast about male issues. House chores have never been difficult for me- I love cleaning and I keep my place very clean. I can’t cook though, so that’s something? No one likes laundry but it’s easier if you’re doing it for someone you love. Pretty insanely bratty of Grammer to buy new clothes or of the other guy to “have someone do it for them.” Sort of takes the joy out of doing it for your family. But other than that, I didn’t understand why Liz got so heated. It seemed like she was saying women are killing themselves cuz guys won’t do their own laundry, and I don’t think that was the right message. That felt really petty. If you were going to discuss female suicide so much, you missed an opportunity to discuss SA and r***, the importance of consent, 1 out of every 5 women and young girls, which is probably the real reason behind suicidal attempts and self-harm. Not frigging laundry, c’mon guys.

@danbris325 2 жыл бұрын

First world issues for rich LA elitist.

@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 2 жыл бұрын

How so? I’m not sure I understand your point?

@Kabullo76 Жыл бұрын

@@christopherhavins-mariscal6994 feminism is cancer , that's the point

@aquarius-woman5364 Жыл бұрын

Racism?

@danbris325 2 жыл бұрын

The idea that 30, 40, maybe 60% of women are doing anything self destructive because chores is ridiculous when men are out here working those long hours and this girls gonna cry over not wanting to do housework.

@samanthalangford6325 2 жыл бұрын

‘Housework’ people who own/live in the house both live in the place of the work.

@paul9746 2 жыл бұрын

Have you looked after a home/kids for an extended period of time? I have and it is very hard/draining. When I went back to work it was so much easier. Thinking this isn't real work is ridiculous. Plus you have no idea who these women are or what situation they find themselves in. Who knows what kind of crap they have to deal with.

@danbris325 2 жыл бұрын

@@paul9746 I have three boys and love taking care of them. I call it being a father, not a job! Women today consider it work and it’s a poor perspective to have on motherhood. I’ve always washed my own laundry and it’s a simple chore, construction labor isn’t. Women have done a great job at complaining and sympathizing with each other and men have stood quite for too long letting the narrative that women are under privileged become truth by word of mouth though not in reality. A great film that’s easy to digest is The Red Pill by Cassie Jaye. I’m aware of women’s struggles but how many men are aware or their own and even worse is how many women are aware of men’s struggles.

@danbris325 2 жыл бұрын

@@paul9746 Women choose the men they’re with, I don’t sympathize for women that pick jackass men when they ignore a ton of good men cause they’re respectful and “boring”. We should all have a high standard of the people we date.

@danbris325 2 жыл бұрын

@Lipstick Nista I don’t think I did, women love to complain. Complaining’s not a sport/hobby and we don’t want to play games after marriage. All the chores, yard work, help around the house, fixing car, home repair, chores women Can’t Do, on top of everything else, yet how many men are gonna divorce or start a argument because women don’t change their own brakes or oil? Once again, This isn’t a show that’s to help men.

@jonatopik 2 жыл бұрын

If men are responsible for the recent "rise" in female suicide, are women responsible for the overall way higher rate of suicide among men? If men are supposed to embrace domestic roles, are women supposed to embrace men who aren't the breadwinner?

@WeAreManEnough 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we believe women should absolutely embrace men who aren't the breadwinners. Society needs to shift to support this as well, such as equitable parental leave so dads can stay home with their kids. If we change our values to be supportive humans that balance responsibilities across partnerships as relevant to those individuals, then traditional gender roles become largely irrelevant and all people will be liberated to be free and empowered.