Clinometer Reconditioning: Testing Accuracy

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An Engineer's Findings

An Engineer's Findings

Күн бұрын

This video shows how I use an improvised setup to test the accuracy of my 1966 made Avimo Clinometer, aka. gunners quadrant. I bought this tool recently and had to recondition it by hand scraping, because once in it's lifetime it was dropped, which caused it's frame to distort. To test it's accuracy, I made a receiver plate to be held in my Walter UTA dividing head. This plate is machined and hand scraped, of which footage is included in the video. The receiver plate also holds the testing standard, which is my beloved Wild-Heerbrugg T2 theodolite. For testing, the latter is targeted on a fixed reference (here a mountain farmer's window), and then the horizontal circle is read. The results show that this clinometer's precision is better than 1.75 arc minutes.

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@folxam
@folxam 3 жыл бұрын
I half expected a Gotteswinter comment on here saying "good enough" :)
@ROBRENZ
@ROBRENZ 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice work! ATB Robin
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
:D However, no match to your 1µm lapped scraper blades, Mr. Renzetti. Kind greetings, Alex
@joshuawalker7054
@joshuawalker7054 3 жыл бұрын
"You want to know true level, Morty?"
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Reality is poison, everything is crooked.....!
@PhilsProjects
@PhilsProjects Жыл бұрын
very interesting, love the blues brothers in the back ground
@Ryan-dz3jo
@Ryan-dz3jo 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and thanks for taking the time to share your procedure and results.
@benrivenbark
@benrivenbark 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking your time filming and editing. I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos and look forward to each one :D
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir, glad you like them!
@than_vg
@than_vg 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos Alex, thanks for spending the time to prepare them.
@madinatore
@madinatore 3 жыл бұрын
superb content! awesome drawings as always
@kwk8363
@kwk8363 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, well done! Scraping and precision the best mix
@benz-share9058
@benz-share9058 3 жыл бұрын
A really interesting and enjoyable combination of broad and deep technical information, with humor. And all without pants!
@SamEEE12
@SamEEE12 3 жыл бұрын
Neat video, thanks Alex! Interesting to see so much snow, when it's summertime here!
@jonludwig8233
@jonludwig8233 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always. Thanks!
@AlexCNC
@AlexCNC 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Looks like a handy tool to have.
@ViliDer
@ViliDer 11 ай бұрын
Impressively educational! Thankyou.
@465maltbie
@465maltbie 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the progression of your work. It was very instructive. Charles
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome
@radiusnorth1675
@radiusnorth1675 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for passing along your knowledge. I admire your skill and the condition of your machines.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and you're very welcome!
@HP_rep_mek
@HP_rep_mek 3 жыл бұрын
Very impressive stuff👍
@warrenjones744
@warrenjones744 3 жыл бұрын
Scraping pattern is excellent Alex. That clinometer a really nice tool for it's simplicity. Great Video as usual. Happy New Year from the US
@wktodd
@wktodd 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff :-) Happy New year
@MarionMakarewicz
@MarionMakarewicz 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year! Envious of your snow!
@peirossmallhomemachineshop5364
@peirossmallhomemachineshop5364 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@JesusvonNazaret
@JesusvonNazaret 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always ;) Greetings from Lower Austria
@RRINTHESHOP
@RRINTHESHOP 3 жыл бұрын
Nice project, enjoyed.
@rayeaglenz
@rayeaglenz 3 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting, thank you for filming, editing, narrating, Happy New Year 👍🎁😊
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you are very welcome!
@drmadge
@drmadge 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, Alex, thanks. Id also add that such intstruments are an absolute pleasure to use: im lucky enough to have a hilger and watts clinometer (bubble and worm drive based) and its just beautiful to use and look at at, like they dont make anymore! Now, back to resisting the urge to buy an arc second theodolite......
@AlmostMachining
@AlmostMachining 3 жыл бұрын
What an epic way to test an instrument. Great video. Good to see how you sharpened the scraper blade. Thank you!
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, thanks for watching!
@arnljotseem8794
@arnljotseem8794 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent engineering content, love it. On the practical side, and as a hobby machinist, I am curious as to how you machined that shoulder bolt hole with one side straight? Good to see you have winter in Austria, up here in Norway, supposedly the cold north, we have had continuous rain until end of December. Now we have a few mm of snow.
@AJR2208
@AJR2208 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year Alex. This was an excellent video, thank you for sharing it. I was almost wishing to see a target painted on the building that you were sighting. Stay safe and well :)
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you ;D and healthy and happy new year to you too.
@googleuser859
@googleuser859 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you.
@kevinrblodgett
@kevinrblodgett 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks
@TomChame
@TomChame 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks.
@thunderstruck1078
@thunderstruck1078 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Happy New Year from Croatia.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and happy new year to you too. I hope you didn't suffer from the earthquake.
@thunderstruck1078
@thunderstruck1078 3 жыл бұрын
@@anengineersfindings It was pretty unpleasant (like being on a boat for 20s), but no major damage where we live, around 40km from the epicentre. Thanks for asking.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
@@thunderstruck1078 Glad to hear that, in Austria we've seen very sad pictures on the news with people who lost everything. Terrible situation.
@thunderstruck1078
@thunderstruck1078 3 жыл бұрын
@@anengineersfindings I had to go back and find this comment when I saw this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fKtpqcljv7zNhZs.html Amazing!!!
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Nice, from time to time there is some positive news. I hope help will find the ones who suffered the most. Kind greetings, Alex
@OldIronShops
@OldIronShops 3 жыл бұрын
that is a very cool tool i must find one
@akfarmboy49
@akfarmboy49 3 жыл бұрын
very interesting project, now I'll go looking for a avimo clinometer, I did like the visual of first bluing of the cast iron/Durabar lathe facing showing hardness deflection. you remind me of my old machine/engineer that designed and built test station for 747 aircraft laser ring gryos.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dale, I always appreciate your interesting comments.
@hoyospetrola
@hoyospetrola 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Feliz año.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, same to you!
@wktodd
@wktodd 3 жыл бұрын
Just found myself one of these on ebay :-) ridiculously cheap for the stated accuracy thanks for the idea
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Glad if you find the video helpful!
@lrakschmidt2880
@lrakschmidt2880 3 жыл бұрын
2 - Key data points to picked up here - scraping is about a 2um process - ( I suppose one can think of 1um?) - compare to surface grinding that can also approach 2um in the right hands or a lapped gauge block that has to be about 100nm to wring properly. The other bit about feeling the high spots - is also an important point. Have you done anymore steel scraping? I consider the tooling, with what I would call 'heel-control' that you used on your video 'Hand scraping Carbon Steel" to be an absolute gem. Quite interested in what you achieved with it. Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder - quite a treat..
@seppmittermeier3444
@seppmittermeier3444 3 жыл бұрын
Servus Fifi, ein sehr interessantes Video. Beste Grüße, gutes neues Jahr und bleib gesund, Sepp
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Servus Sepp, vielen Dank für deinen netten Kommentar. Dir auch ein gutes und gesundes neues Jahr, hoffentlich auf ein Wiedersehen. Beste Grüße, Fif
@seppmittermeier3444
@seppmittermeier3444 3 жыл бұрын
Servus Fifi, unbedingt ein Wiedersehen. Wenn sich die Corona-Lage entspannt gibts bei mir ein Grillfest, wie damals beim Ralph. (Nur eben 120km nordöstlich). Gruß, Sepp
@bobvines00
@bobvines00 3 жыл бұрын
Alex, Thank you for mentioning that you can _feel_ the 2-micron high spots when finish scraping the flat with a sharp scraper blade. I don't recall _any_ other KZfaq provider mentioning this, perhaps because they tend to ignore hand-scraping and use their Biax power scrapers. Now, assuming that I obtain the ability to grind my scrapers as I learn to hand-scrape, I'll know to expect to _feel_ the high spots as I perform finish scraping. Can you recommend any "less inexpensive" way to grind scraper blades than having access to a D-Bit grinder? This is a fascinating video. I truly wish that I (as an ME) had been able to design precision devices and learn much more about Metrology before I retired. I did get a chance to sit in on the OEM training when our Tool Shop received its first Kern theodolite back in the '80s and learned a bit about the devide's capabilities. We tended to use our theodolites to build, measure, & "(re)calibrate" fixturing for aircraft repair.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Vines, thank you for your interesting comment. Regarding the blade sharpening: Robin Renzetti showed a very simple, but remarkably well working method with a wooden block and a charged (stationary) lap in one of his last instagram posts ("Robrenz"). I'm sure you will be able to find it. Greetings, Alex
@milithemuffin4534
@milithemuffin4534 3 жыл бұрын
As always great video with some usefull informations. I'm curious about that sudden change at 25 degrees. Since 5 teeth engage at the same time it could be caused for example by a tiny burr or spec on one tooth.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Very good point, however, I couldn't find any obvious burr. The teeth look really fine and clean, even under magnification. But I assume that one tooth may have been cut with a "large" error.
@mikemccormack7056
@mikemccormack7056 3 жыл бұрын
The purpose of the bubble might be to more easily permit obtaining a good-ish reading when the ground is rocking due to your colleagues' firing or incoming counter-battery fire. If the bubble's vibrating more or less around the middle, you're on target.
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, very interesting, thanks for your input. I'm not an artillerist myself, so I have not much of an idea of the military problems involved. Thanks!
@JeffCowan
@JeffCowan 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Watching the Blues Brothers?
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
:D yes, that's right. You surely won this video's movie quiz. :D
@JeffCowan
@JeffCowan 3 жыл бұрын
@@anengineersfindings Woo! ;-)
@bortech
@bortech 3 ай бұрын
Is it "The Blues Brothers" 1980 movie in the background? :) 9:00
@flintstoneengineering
@flintstoneengineering 3 жыл бұрын
Could you speculate as to whether the tooth pitch of the rack and the latch are equal? A deliberate mismatch may have been employed to ensure positive location. Plausible?
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Good question, however, unfortunately I don't know.
@Eumldeuml1234
@Eumldeuml1234 3 жыл бұрын
Would you mind sharing some details about the dust extraction on your D-Bit grinder? Is it homemade or stock? I have an import D-Bit grinder and I'm struggling to find a good concept for getting rid of the dust so any inspiration is appreciated :)
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Good point, I just made this dust extraction a week ago ;D. If you like the design and send me your email, I'll send you some pictures of it.
@longcaster
@longcaster Жыл бұрын
Alex, I know it has been two years, but, does a level's bubble change size due to atmosphere? is the bubble the same at sea level and at the top Mt Everest?
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings Жыл бұрын
Good question. Usually the levels are enclosed glass housings that do not deform notably due to atmospheric pressure. In other words, the inside of the spirit level shouldn't see the atmospheric pressure.
@prateeksodhi9809
@prateeksodhi9809 Жыл бұрын
Yes this use artillery guns elevation
@novemeberalphabravo
@novemeberalphabravo 3 жыл бұрын
Is scraping more accurate than grinding?
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, if done right.
@rickhaass1133
@rickhaass1133 3 жыл бұрын
If I was reading your chart correctly, it appears that it's much more (relatively) accurate at 0 and 45 degrees - with a higher error rate within the middle of the range. Did I read that correctly - and if so do you have any theories on why it is?
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree. However, I cannot explain the larger errors in the "middle", other than the setup and stepover precision of the teeth cutting machine.
@janvanruth3485
@janvanruth3485 Жыл бұрын
grau und gruen?
@dennisdanich7190
@dennisdanich7190 3 жыл бұрын
I have a USA gunners quadrant, it is accurate to .02 mils or .01 mils or 1 second
@anengineersfindings
@anengineersfindings 3 жыл бұрын
Wow,.... must be a huge piece!
@dennisdanich7190
@dennisdanich7190 3 жыл бұрын
Actually smaller than yours, email me and I will send you the pdf file about care and adjustment dennismdanich@gmail.com
@dennisdanich7190
@dennisdanich7190 3 жыл бұрын
I LOOKED, IT'S 0.2 MILES STILL A SMALL AMOUNT
@larryscott3982
@larryscott3982 3 жыл бұрын
Oh. What a cruel way to treat a T-2.
@manuelphilip3037
@manuelphilip3037 3 жыл бұрын
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@raynecarleigh2174 3 жыл бұрын
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