Anglo-Zulu War: What do they think of the British now?

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Redcoat History

Жыл бұрын

Today I am joined by the brilliant tour guide Lindizwe Ngobese to discuss the Zulu perspective on the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879.
We look at how the Zulu war is remembered in Zululand and also if the Zulus saluted the defenders of Rorke's Drift as shown in the film Zulu.
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@thobekabella8831
@thobekabella8831 Жыл бұрын
That's my uncle 😊 so proud of you mqungebe ❤ also this is very beautiful and educational thank you for sharing
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Congrats on being from such a noble and important family. Your uncle is representing the family and the Zulu people wonderfully in London.
@UkrainianPaulie
@UkrainianPaulie Жыл бұрын
Thanks to you and your Uncle. This American has much admiration and respect for the Zulu people!
@Hardrada88
@Hardrada88 10 ай бұрын
He's a true warrior and a very noble family. I love the history of the zulu people and really admire their fighting style. True, real warriors:) much love from a sunny hot England
@jimhicksuk
@jimhicksuk Жыл бұрын
I had a nice chat with him at the exhibition. A very genuine honest person.
@stephenhunt2806
@stephenhunt2806 Жыл бұрын
I did too. We had an enjoyable chat about the videos on his channel. In particular, his visit to the Rand Club in Jo'burg.
@Jenks1
@Jenks1 Жыл бұрын
I found it quite moving how much pride he had for the warriors in his family.
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Yes me too. A great guy.
@Clipgatherer
@Clipgatherer 10 ай бұрын
+Jenks1. Just like many Brits must be proud of their grandfather who fought off a foreign power that wanted to conquer their land and rule over them.
@gunnargundersen3787
@gunnargundersen3787 Жыл бұрын
I visited Rourkes Drift and picked up a Zulu shield. Hopefully I helped the Zulu I bought it from and as a former British soldier I always respected the Zulu people.
@janlindtner305
@janlindtner305 Жыл бұрын
Lindizwe Ngobese your view on the enmity, of our day is perceived, does you great credit. I want to perceive my country (Denmark's) former enemies Sweden, Great Britain and Germany with respect and friendliness, only then can we heal the wounds and avoid new bitter hatred, war and suffering which can then repeat itself until everything is destroyed. Looking forward to hearing/seeing more from you👍❤
@wingcommanderdaltonwalton67
@wingcommanderdaltonwalton67 Жыл бұрын
Genuine proud man,everyone has a right to be proof their heritage.
@cameronsimpson-ld8nk
@cameronsimpson-ld8nk Жыл бұрын
Wonderful Lindizwe and Chris
@gerryhasell7828
@gerryhasell7828 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to visiting on Saturday, what a friendly down to earth guy, great to hear a different perspective. Fascinating.
@ak9989
@ak9989 Жыл бұрын
I introduced the Zulu and the war to my youngest and he watched Zulu and Zulu dawn and now is reading some books I have on the war. He's a marine rifleman. I bought him an 1870s Assegai and Knoberrie too. Now he wants the Zulu war medals I have😆 Those I promised to my oldest😆 guess I'll buy some more. I got 122 now Victorian campaign medals. As an American I really appreciate the history behind them. I found an Afghan 1880 war medal in Grass Valley 2 weeks ago for just $120 with Khandahar on it. Grass valley!!
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Glad to know we are spreading our interests to the next generation.
@chrisjones2224
@chrisjones2224 Жыл бұрын
🇬🇧 here,,had an interview for a job with a Company in Grass Valley decades ago, and more recently been to Kandahar Small World !!
@petercollingwood522
@petercollingwood522 11 ай бұрын
Where is Grass Valley?
@chrisjones2224
@chrisjones2224 11 ай бұрын
@@petercollingwood522 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_Valley,_California
@theram4320
@theram4320 11 ай бұрын
Nicely put together video. Both sides displayed wonderful bravery in the Rourke's drift battle, but I have to say, fighting with mainly assegis and shields against single shot rifles is incredible.
@markkeohane9850
@markkeohane9850 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris. We met today when I visited the exhibition. I didn't expect to meet you but I'm delighted we had a chance to chat - and thanks for alerting me to the exhibition in this video. I've enjoyed a number of your battlefield reports in the past; S Africa has a fascinating history and a special place in my life having spent a bit of time there and visited the battlefields myself. Anyone reading this, if you can get along during July please do; it's a remarkable display of one man's personal collection - the equally remarkable and ebullient Alex Haimann. And he's American! Thanks Alex, for sharing your passion and your incredible collection. Best wishes for a successful month.
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate - I’m glad we got to meet and happy you enjoyed the exhibition.
@longkeithdiablo8812
@longkeithdiablo8812 Жыл бұрын
That was an interesting insight, especially the spear named after the sound it makes as it's pulled out 😱😎
@WNH3
@WNH3 Жыл бұрын
What an interesting exhibition! Alas, I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic. Thanks for these videos, though, as that's the next best thing to attending in person.
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Sorry you can’t make it but I’m glad you enjoyed it.
@ozwrangler.c
@ozwrangler.c Жыл бұрын
Recommend a visit to the exhibition. A guide adds an extra dimension to the story. It’s free to attend, though I made a donation because our guide was so interesting 🙂
@andyeveritt9003
@andyeveritt9003 Жыл бұрын
great video and what a great proud fellow Lindizwe is
@outpostraven
@outpostraven Жыл бұрын
Great interview
@macdansav1546
@macdansav1546 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating post. Many thanks. So interesting to hear the Zulu perspective and good to hear that there is no bitterness nowadays: the Zulu nation suffered terribly as a result of the war. I imagine Lindizwe would be a fantastic guide!
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 Жыл бұрын
There wouldn't be any bitterness. The Zulu had themselves conquered the land from other, less warlike tribes since the time of Shaka. It just so happened that this time a bigger boy came along and took it off them! There is good reason so many Africans fought on the British side as part of the Natal Native Contingent.
@jimhicksuk
@jimhicksuk Жыл бұрын
The way he gives a two sided view in Zulu Rising is excellent. I’d like to hear more about the 2000 archeological dig Ian K was invited to view.
@ljchampion7952
@ljchampion7952 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff!
@UkrainianPaulie
@UkrainianPaulie Жыл бұрын
Thank you Chris and Lindizwe for giving us some insight into the Zulu take on the battles and films. It was a shame Zulu Dawn was not filmed at Isandlwana. But I guess with the monuments and cairns that it would impact filming angles. I read where the shadows from Isandlawana was the reason for moving filming.
@headshot6959
@headshot6959 Жыл бұрын
Interesting guy, great storyteller. Thumbs up 👍
@theblackprince1346
@theblackprince1346 Жыл бұрын
A very insightful interview Chris thanks for sharing.
@rayh7264
@rayh7264 9 ай бұрын
Great idea getting this perspective. I’ll be visiting from Brisbane in January going to Rorkes Drift, Isandlwana, Fugitives Drift, Blood River, Kambula. Fort Denison maybe and maybe Piet Retiefs gravesite and Dingaans Kraal. All being well. Thanks for your hard work Christian.
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory 9 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot - I hope you have a fanatastic trip.
@Mozartandpink
@Mozartandpink Жыл бұрын
Very moving and appropriate to hear the Zulu perspective, a proud and noble people.
@peterrooke5336
@peterrooke5336 Жыл бұрын
You obviously didn't see all the looting in natal last year
@brettmitchell6431
@brettmitchell6431 Жыл бұрын
Lol the noble savage. Get real mate.
@pamelaayieta6071
@pamelaayieta6071 10 ай бұрын
​@@peterrooke5336who were stealing,do are this gangsters or warriors?
@howardgoy9568
@howardgoy9568 11 ай бұрын
I have a great admiration for the Zulus as people and warriors. They were fighting in defence of their homes, families, and way of life against an unjustified invasion intended to advance the career of Sir Bartle Frere, whose ambition caused the death of so many brave men on both sides. Great to hear something of their story from a man who so obviously cherishes his heritage.
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 11 ай бұрын
And the 1879 Anglo Zulu War made their name and defined them. They've rightly been dining out on it ever since, which has been a great plus for a warrior nation.
@EdwardNortonSSS
@EdwardNortonSSS Ай бұрын
And totally didn't genocide and massacre other tribes and even enslave them, yeah totally the good guys, lets be real here, the British saved other tribes.
@adventuresinhistoryland5501
@adventuresinhistoryland5501 Жыл бұрын
Always great to heat this side of the war
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Thanks Josh. Yes it’s fascinating.
@martingame3726
@martingame3726 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, great to see you today at the Clash of Empires event. Brilliant show. Great to see Chris "The History Chap" with you as well. The two of you are really helping me understand my history much better than just reading about it. Keep it up, you are doing a great job. Martin
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Thanks Martin - great to meet! What a wonderful event
@adamp5879
@adamp5879 Жыл бұрын
Have my tickets to the clash of empires, July 29th. Very much looking forward too it.
@davidnemoseck9007
@davidnemoseck9007 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Great interview! Loved it!
@mariadacre9647
@mariadacre9647 Жыл бұрын
A brilliant channel.
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot
@FMCH6444
@FMCH6444 Жыл бұрын
What a great interview. Thanks for making this.
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@pamelaayieta6071
@pamelaayieta6071 10 ай бұрын
Nice narration brother.
@charlietreston4035
@charlietreston4035 Жыл бұрын
A guy who seems to have the right attitude yes proud but able to reconcile with the past
@garycooper3487
@garycooper3487 Жыл бұрын
He's right to be proud of his ancestors, the Zulus fought bravely for their homeland. It's a pity I won't be able to go to this exhibit, it's just my thing, but these vids are the next best thing. Looking forward to seeing and hearing more.
@WoollyWanderers
@WoollyWanderers Жыл бұрын
It wasn't their homeland, the Zulus were a Bantu tribe from west Africa who had spent the past two generations invading, massacring and enslaving their neighbours. They were an empire who were defeated by a bigger, meaner empire.
@mediapartners9950
@mediapartners9950 Жыл бұрын
Great post many thanks
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot
@iainsanders4775
@iainsanders4775 Жыл бұрын
There's Zulu testimony of several warriors at a time being unable to overcome redcoats armed with empty bayonetted rifles in hand-to-hand fighting at Isandlwana & resorting to throwing their spears or shooting.
@JohnR1298
@JohnR1298 11 ай бұрын
I didn't know about the later civil war, that's very sad. A very interesting video, thank you 👍
@Hardrada88
@Hardrada88 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating and very informative! Ive been to isandlwana a few times. First was to see the field and other times were to visit friends id made before and go back. I really like the zulu people, incredible history and i admire the warriors fighting style. Very brave and strong. Loved walking the field. I got a nice Iwisa/knopkerrie to walk the field with as around the river its rather rockey..what better way to walk sacred ground:) excellent video! Love from sunny hot england
@charlesbleile5282
@charlesbleile5282 Жыл бұрын
Many thanks to Lindizwe Ngobese for his perspective on the AZW and the films. He is so correct. In my case, had I not seen the films, I would have never traveled to the battlefields where I learned so much more.
@thurin84
@thurin84 11 ай бұрын
very interesting to get the zulu perspective. i really do wish i could afford to go and walk those battlefields.
@saxonstacker1078
@saxonstacker1078 Жыл бұрын
It's such a captivating story. It would be sad if it was all forgotten.
@sthembilehadebe9304
@sthembilehadebe9304 Жыл бұрын
Am very proud of you bhuti Dalton, keep up your good work 👏 .
@pencilpauli9442
@pencilpauli9442 Жыл бұрын
Must have been 6-7yo when I saw Zulu at the cinema. I was scared by the Zulus and their spears, but it was very moving after the battle with all the dead and wounded warriors. Even though I was glad the Redcoats had wone the day was saddened by the carnage. Then when the Zulus sang I thought the Zulus to be a wonderfully noble people. Pity it didn't happen! lol Now I am much older and hopefully a little bit wiser, I can understand how the empire wasn't so glorious. Colonialism bad! Sadly my knowledge of the aftermath of the Anglo-Zulu war is all too lacking. Needs to be remedied.
@user-xt9kl1vm3z
@user-xt9kl1vm3z 2 ай бұрын
Reparations?
@michaelreed4744
@michaelreed4744 Жыл бұрын
Hello. I saw in a documentary that the Zulus took drugs before the Battle of Isandlwana. Do you agree with this theory?
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 Жыл бұрын
Possibly. It was normal as part of preparation for battle, but you have to remember that they weren't intending to attack on the day the Battle of Isandlwana was fought, so whether that had time on that occasion is questionable.
@granthallam7644
@granthallam7644 11 ай бұрын
My Grandfather a white man from Pietermaritzburg a Captain merchant seaman had nothing but the deepest respect for the Zulu nation and often said they were the bravest and most honourable of men. I have no reason to doubt him he was the most honorable man I have known. I miss him dearly.
@Johann559
@Johann559 Жыл бұрын
Very well done, bru....keep our flag flying there.
@trisgilmour
@trisgilmour Жыл бұрын
Very cool 😎
@KillerBill1953
@KillerBill1953 Жыл бұрын
Didn't the Zulus also wage war and commit genocide on other tribes of Central Africa?
@davidroux7987
@davidroux7987 Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Shaka murdered millions bravely. Heroes
@Ukraineaissance2014
@Ukraineaissance2014 11 ай бұрын
They were no saints. They also had their own men fight to the death for sports. History now though
@Kabzzer
@Kabzzer 11 ай бұрын
I dont think in Central Africa but in South East yes they did
@johnmacpherson9629
@johnmacpherson9629 11 ай бұрын
Correct
@pamelaayieta6071
@pamelaayieta6071 10 ай бұрын
​@@Ukraineaissance2014If they came to fight the Kenyan maasais,they could find their match, maasais kill the lions before anyone is confirmed a warrior,let them just brag for those south African tribes, maasais are nilotes and they know how to destroy everything when fighting.They live near parks and kill lions.zulus never got their match.
@DavidInWroclaw
@DavidInWroclaw Жыл бұрын
Thank you, for this well-done video and for introducing Lindizwe Ngobese. One question: from point 04:04 to 04:20, there is a flim clip. What is the name of the film? Many thanks!
@drea7295
@drea7295 Жыл бұрын
I love the sound effect .I have eaten,,fearce,,,,thanks awesome video
@jimohara
@jimohara Жыл бұрын
👍
@christopher-ke9nj
@christopher-ke9nj Жыл бұрын
An Iklwa as they put it
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 11 ай бұрын
Where did the zulus get steel from
@damilolataiwo7750
@damilolataiwo7750 10 ай бұрын
Iron smelting machines already existed in africa from 1000 bc
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 10 ай бұрын
@@damilolataiwo7750 naah. They stole it from the railways like the copper theft today
@damilolataiwo7750
@damilolataiwo7750 10 ай бұрын
@@peetsnort nope there were no railways in South African then because they had not be colonised yet . It is a historical fact that Africans were already smelting iron already . You even had reserch from Cambridge university David killlic that proves so .
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 10 ай бұрын
@@damilolataiwo7750 I'm just puling your leg.
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 10 ай бұрын
@@damilolataiwo7750 they probably had very iron rich rocks around a fire and the metal came out and the rests history. I remember how nylon was invented by mistake by a scientist who was tired and left two chemicals over night. Also the vulcanizing of rubber It pays to experiment
@TheGroundedAviator
@TheGroundedAviator 6 ай бұрын
To be fair the Zulu Empire was no less brutal at times, then name one that wasn't?
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il Жыл бұрын
He talks so fast amd his thick accent was hard for me to catch everything, but yoi can definitely see his emotions on his face.
@skepticalbadger
@skepticalbadger Жыл бұрын
If you're American you may struggle more. I have zero regional English accent and sometimes Americans don't catch every word. Here, you can turn on the captions. They are pretty accurate.
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il Жыл бұрын
@@skepticalbadger yes I'm American, southern, I never thought about the captions. Thank you for reminding me.
@julianmhall
@julianmhall Жыл бұрын
TBH I think the initial Zulu perspective and attitude to the invading British would have been '... *bleep* off.. this is /our/ country not yours..'
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 Жыл бұрын
Probably. However, the Zulu had themselves conquered the land from other, less warlike tribes since the time of Shaka. It just so happened that this time a bigger boy came along and took it off them! There is good reason so many Africans fought on the British side as part of the Natal Native Contingent.
@julianmhall
@julianmhall Жыл бұрын
@@robertstallard7836 True.. but they had conquered it from /other native tribes/ not a foreign invader. As for the Africans who fought for England there have been many instances in history of countries fighting on the same side as an invader, not always choosing the eventually winning side.
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 Жыл бұрын
@@julianmhall They were only invaded once or twice, wheras England in particular has been (often successfully) invaded by foreigners at least ten times!
@phillawrence5148
@phillawrence5148 11 ай бұрын
Chelmsford got so many brave men killed on both sides. He wasn't adequately punished for his crimes either.
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 11 ай бұрын
Which generals ARE?
@christopher-ke9nj
@christopher-ke9nj Жыл бұрын
Kwa Jimu is not, anywhere near, the actual site why should they, appear but just to, rest, they haven't eaten Chelmfords relief is coming what a, scrap though.
@redcoathistory
@redcoathistory Жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m not sure I understand what you are saying. Kwa Jimu is not near what?
@christopher-ke9nj
@christopher-ke9nj Жыл бұрын
Jim's place in Zulu
@copferthat
@copferthat 11 ай бұрын
Zulu Dawn was by far the better film.
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 11 ай бұрын
It was not. Zulu is a better made film, and no less accurate.
@copferthat
@copferthat 11 ай бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Accurate? It couldn’t even boast an English regiment, which it was and no, they didn’t sing men of Harlech. Hook was no malingerer, he was a model soldier and no, the Zulus did not salute them
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 11 ай бұрын
@@copferthat I know. You're right. Now do you want me to tell you all the inaccuracies in Zulu Dawn?
@copferthat
@copferthat 11 ай бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Yes please
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 11 ай бұрын
@@copferthat Well for a start Chelmsford never even met Durnford after the invasion began so it's totally inaccurate in Zulu Dawn that Durnford rode into Isandlwana during the night and conferred with Chelmsford. It's also inaccurate that Durnford had superior intelligence. It's inaccurate that Durnford told Pulleine to picket the hills because that had already been done over the previous days. It's inaccurate that Chelmsford went out to look for Zulus on a whim (he was requested to help by the cut off recon patrol, which the film shows nothing of). It's inaccurate that the quartermaster wouldn't hand out ammunition. It's inaccurate that the rocket battery was firing just in front of the camp (Durnford ordered them miles out). It's inaccurate the way the 24th Foot firing line is shown (they were not shoulder to shoulder in two rows) . It's inaccurate the way the firing line is shown being quickly overrun and defeated (the 24th Foot largely withdrew to the camp and Saddle in reasonably intact formations where they made last stands in large groups and clusters, up to 50, 60 and 70 men and took a long time to be overcome). Finally, the whole back story of the Zulus chasing the old Boer to the camp, allowing themselves to be captured and then escaping is a complete invention.
@johnp7304
@johnp7304 Жыл бұрын
He should be proud, they fought a monster and won.
@johnmacpherson9629
@johnmacpherson9629 11 ай бұрын
What monster,where did you get that from Britain Won Anglo/Zulu War. Respect to the Zulu though.
@pamelaayieta6071
@pamelaayieta6071 10 ай бұрын
They fought well but they didn't win.
@billballbuster7186
@billballbuster7186 Жыл бұрын
The British produced movie Zulu was a smash hit, one of the biggest box office hits of all time! A story of 130 British troops against 4,000 Zulu, a battle of overwhelming odds. it has been a firm favorite since its release in 1964. The American movie Zulu Dawn made to tell the Zulu side of the story, with an all-star cast was released in 1979. It is a far less accurate account of the events and its portrayal of the Zulu was particularly poor. But then 25,000+ Zulus defeating 750 British regulars and a few hundred Colonial troops was something of a forgone conclusion. It was a box office disaster and is rarely shown. The Zulu historian is correct in that the movies only serve to keep the story alive.
@Ukraineaissance2014
@Ukraineaissance2014 11 ай бұрын
I actually still quite like zulu dawn, its not as bad as some people make out, and i love any half decent depiction i can get of that era
@billballbuster7186
@billballbuster7186 11 ай бұрын
@@Ukraineaissance2014 A few people do, but it was so bad it was a box office disaster. Charlton Heston had to be payed out of the producers own pocket. It was an early attempt at Wokeness, aggrandizing the Zulu that failed.
@MisterLouis66
@MisterLouis66 11 ай бұрын
Personally I prefer the movie "Zulu" but I don't see how you manage to make a connection with woke. You don't seem to realize that this is one of the greatest victory of an indigenous army against a technologically developed army if not the greatest. Of course it deserves a movie
@billballbuster7186
@billballbuster7186 11 ай бұрын
@@MisterLouis66 You describe the battle "one of the greatest victory of an indigenous army against a technologically developed army". Thats a really grandiose description of a relatively minor skirmish at odds of 25:1. It was not an army it was the baggage train of an army. The real army destroyed the Zulu nation in 6 months.
@MisterLouis66
@MisterLouis66 11 ай бұрын
@@billballbuster7186 consider it a skirmish if you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that it's one of the best indigenous performances in this kind of battle. And Zulu nation still exists (1/5 of the population)
@robertthomas3777
@robertthomas3777 Жыл бұрын
‘… keep,the story alive…’. Thanks. Yes, you should be proud. 🇦🇺🦘👍
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