Me too!

Lol I thought the same 😂

I knew she looked familiar to someone we knew but i couldn't place it! Lol makes sense now.

I would say that the letters certainly don't match her, but I know what you mean.

So did I!

I could have been convinced at first that it was Anne. It does show a longer face with high cheekbones and the longer nose, but then the Margaret Pole suggestion I could see that too, lol The dress and initials explanation does discount the Anne theory though. Thank you Claire! (I would have been annoyed at that price too.)

Did Tracy state any reasons for her verification?

​@@HawkqOjOp good question, I'd like to know too. Also with Alison Weir because her books are so factual.

Exactly

@HawkqOjOp Claire didn't say, but I guess it's possible that she has been so keen to believe it was true, that she did not examine the evidence as deeply as she might have done. At her level, that's a big booboo, but I've done that occasionally with my family tree work, only realising years later that I sent myself down a wrong path. I guess we are all human, and I don't think she, or Wier, would have been deliberately misleading, unlike Mr. Jones.

I did get very angry when the photos went to £70 and he was selling prints of his print for over £1000.

Thank you so much!

Not to mention Anne was just a very fashionable person, almost what we would refer to as gothic now.

Thank you!

Thank you! I very much disagree with these people, but they have their views and I have mine.

I literally just posted a comment about something similar. I think people know the shock factor behind Queen Anne. So they sensationalize what they can to get views. It is sad, and it comes in the way of real research! Thank you for sharing! Bless you! 🌹

Also I feel as if I said that better than in my original comment! I hope it gets the point across though!

Oh yes! He went on for months and then disappeared!

It's hard to know what she looked like really when we only have the 1534 medal as a proper likeness.

So so many Tudor mysteries we will never know the answers to sadly, but that what makes history so interesting and keeps us comeing back for more. ☺️👍

Is anne of bretagne, so no anne boleyns inventions, finally we know the truth at least partially

I got very annoyed at how much he was selling photos and prints for.

I'm Bess Chilver, referenced in the video. The concept of a "fashion designer" or a clothing maker (dressmaker/tailor etc) being the *arbiter* of what the latest fashion was, only appears in the 19th century. Charles Worth, a Yorkshireman from UK), settled in Paris and is arguably the "father" of the Fashion Designer. There were ateliers before that, but he is the first to be a "name" for fashion. During the Tudor period "fashions" were set by the elite. They would have an idea they had probably seen elsewhere that they wanted incorporated into their dress and asked their tailor to make it up. So, fashion was *customer* led not *maker* led. There is a myth that Anne Boleyn set the fashion for the "french hood" (a modern term to differentiate the style of head dress most associated with her from the style in the portrait that is the subject of this video eg "gable" or "english" hood). Yet, the "french" hood was being worn from early on in the 16th century along with early versions of the gable hood. French and English Court/Elite fashions were very similar whereas French/English and Italian were different in the same period. So it was easy for French dress influences to come to England and maybe vice versa - though the English/Gable hood seems to be uniquely English/Great Britain. So, short answer is, no there were no "fashion designers" in the Tudor period.

@@myladyswardrobe Thank you Bess.😊

Yes, I completely agree, provenance is everything.

I think people are so very desperate to find a contemporary image of her.

Brilliant! Lol!

Ha!

It was aliens! LOL

Or as Dr. House said " Its never Lupus." From my non-American friends, "House was a medical drama featuring a ill-tempered Dr. who diagnosis rare diseases. If you have a chance to watch it, do.

Thank you!

I think I did!

It's a bit old-fashioned for Anne.

Agree! I always thought the Holbein Sketches were preliminary to the full length portrait that was lost or destroyed somewhere in time

Thank you!

Yes, we're all absolutely dying for a contemporary portrait to be found.

I was pretty cross with him!

Yes, it just doesn't fit with costume of the 1530s.

Why Libra? I would say Aquarius😉

Entries into a Family Bible is very 18th/19th century.

@@LeslieSunshine17 No, fellow air sign. She must have been a Libra. We're romantic, courageous, we love balance in our lives. Just like a Libra!

@@myladyswardrobe I'm not sure where I heard it, but there was mention of Lady Margaret Beaufort making entries into a family Bible about births in her family.

Thank you! The one artefact that's linked to Anne that I love is her Book of Hours, the one that she's inscribed "Le temps viendra, Je Anne Boleyn" because that would have been something that she used several times a day and that was important to her.

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Thank you!

I think we're all so desperate to find a contemporary image of Anne that some people get carried away. Thank you!

@@anneboleynfilesYou're welcome! I totally agree! Bless you so much! 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

Thank you so much. In this case, I'm not an art historian, so I'm only sharing my opinion and the expertise of those I asked.

​@anneboleynfiles , you have valid sources, and your research includes multiple aspects of Anne's life, acquaintances, interests, attitudes, etc. That's why you are also my go-to for actual facts concerning Anne Boleyn and all things Tudor! Of course I enjoy most of the fictional versions of her, though it's vital to remember that if it's not advertised as a true and accurate account, we must take it with a large pinch of salt.

@@wendychavez5348 thank you so much. Your words made my day. I do get discouraged at times but when I read words like yours it really helps me. I love research and I love sharing what I find.

Aw, thank you, that's lovely to hear.

He certainly was making the most out of all the publicity.

Thank you! I must admit, I didn't like spending it!

I don't believe she did verify it, I think she was just sharing an opinion.

Thank you!

It was a crazy amount for a bad photo!

In terms of it being much too early for Anne and being compared to the medal of Anne 10 years later yes, it is a give away this is not Anne.

Actually, Anne chose to be depicted in a gable hood for the 1534 Most Happy Medal and she wore one to her execution, so that can't count her out, but the lappets count her out.

I pick non-fiction history books by the bibliography and notes/references. I want to make sure that the author/historian has done their research. With the Lady in the Tower, although I disagree on several of Weir's views, I would say it was well researched.

They have the ones that Henry wrote Anne, I suspect because they were stolen from Anne to be used as evidence that the king was in a relationship with her, but I don't think Anne's to Henry have survived. I think he would have destroyed them in 1536. I don't think they have a portrait of her either.

Thank you!

Thank you!

Thank you!

Me too!

Thank you!

She clearly has her own views about this painting, but they just don't make sense to me.

It would be wonderful if that came to light.

Thank you!

I wouldn't let it put you off. When I'm picking a biography, I always look at the notes and references section and the bibliography to make sure the author has done wide research, so I'd suggest that whenever you pick a biography or history book.

@@anneboleynfiles Thank you, that does seem to be in place in this biography. I greatly appreciate your input!

Thank you!

Yes, that's very true.

Thank you!

Thank you!

Interesting!

Yes, me too.

Ha! Don't worry!

The original would definitely need testing to date it conclusively.

I've discussed it with Bess before as her sister makes replica jewellery and she thinks it's a religious symbol.

Yep!

She actually did wear a gable hood. She chose to be depicted in one for the 1534 medal and wore one to her execution.

@@anneboleynfiles I was referring more to the descriptions of her when she first returned to England and the lost original that was used as references for the well accepted paintings of her. Sorry for any confusion. I'm not always the best at wording things effectively.

Yes, that's right, she chose to wear one for the 1534 medal and for her execution.

It was an amazing deal!!!

@@anneboleynfiles Lol 😂

Yes, the oldest would have been about 35 if you go with the 1501 birthdate.

There wouldn't have been any point. It wasn't good practice but not illegal.

We can't.

I don't know whether she stands by that comment now, that was eight years ago. I respect her but I'd go with an art historian over a historian on something like this.

Why? Borman is not an art historian and has not publicized any evidence confirming the portrait is Anne. Also, I find it somewhat specious a precise identification can be made via prints which vary in detail, instead of an examination of the original art work.

@@timhazeltine3256 Tracy Borman is most definitely a historian

​A historian is not necessarily the same as an art historian. I am a model, though that doesn't mean I can draw or paint more than a passable stick figure. Once, I watched a lady paint me in a multiple-day sitting; until the very last break,I was fascinated by her unique treatment and wild colors, though the finished work looked much like most of the other paintings that week. An art historian would understand about the methods this artist used and how such an abstract treatment ended up looking so ... normal? A regular historian might not.

@@wendychavez5348 yes, historians can certainly help with the process of identifying a portrait but an art historian is the expert.

If it was her it would have been clearly labeled on the portrait itself I think.

A little bit but it's probably because it's a relative.

@@pheart2381 oh I don’t think it’s either Elizabeth or Anne, but some of the facial features remind me of Queen Elizabeth’s portraits

@@pheart2381 Not possible to be Elizabeth as the fashion is first quarter of the 1520s. (Bess Chilver)

I think you could say that about quite a few women though.

Aw, thank you!

It does appear to be a photo of his print, but it was a rip-off for a photo.

Yes she could, queens if they are sovereigns in their own right or consorts are known as Regina.

Yes, regina means queen, without distinction between regnant or consort. Usually in signatures, where it's used, you'd see the letter R alone, Elizabeth I signed her name Elizabeth R. Others would just use the English version signing their name followed by "the Quene" (that's how they spelled it). R is also used in royal cyphers. That's a logo with the initial of the monarch, the number and R. If you look at a beefeater uniform, you'll see it on their chest E II R - Elizabeth II Regina or C III R - Charles III Rex.

Yes, Regina was also used by consorts.

Thank you!

Thank you!

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@anneboleynfiles Your facial expression not inner intention.

@@Drayton627 that's just my face

But thanks for brightening my day