Another Exceptional Addon! | Part 2: Black Square Piston Duke | Full Flight Preview / Review

Another Exceptional Addon! | Part 2: Black Square Piston Duke | Full Flight Preview / Review | MSFS

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Ай бұрын

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In this video, we take a look at the Black Square / Just Flight Piston Duke, available within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We'll be putting the Piston Duke through its paces, with a scenic VFR flight around the Grand Canyon (KGCN).
Part 1 (Turbine Duke): • Another Exceptional Ad...
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PC Specs
ASUS Z790
Intel Core i9 13900K 5.8GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
64GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight!

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@stucrisp6865 Ай бұрын

I have around 200hrs in a piston duke and over 1000 in a number of B58 Barons - I always felt the two were brothers from a different mother. Having brought a baron back with an engine failure, the approach and landing were fine, but I couldn't get it to taxi on one fan (I called for a tow) and I think the Duke would be probably worse. I think the dodgy handling on one engine on the ground is accurate. The raspy engine note is accurate, I think, having listened many times from the outside. It took me back to my hours in command of one. This and the Chieftain PA31-350 were my absolute favourites to fly of the many types over the years. Thank you for a professional and illuminating review - I'll of course be buying one. I would consider take-off with flaps as an unusual evolution I only put the flaps to approach a couple of times on muddy grass strips after heavy rain and then only to get it to overcome the mud sticky friction. And flying hot-and-high almost always (Australian outback) I'd only consider leaning the mixture if only absolutely necessary in a turbo/super engine and then very sparingly. I can't recall doing it in the Duke and we regularly see >40C temps in summer. I did lean a non-turbo Baron once or twice in extremis but again not the norm. My favourite moment - taxying to and shutting down outside the pub in Birdsville QLD in a Duke and getting my pax into the bar to wash the bulldust out before heading back to Brisbane. Great memories.

@neucoas Ай бұрын

So you don't ever lean the mixture in a turbo charged engine unless temps are low and you need to increase them?

@vermin1970 Ай бұрын

Definitely get Baron vibes looking at the Duke cockpit, very easy to get familiar with one if you have been in the other. Thanks for your input!

@pythosdegothos6181 Ай бұрын

@@neucoas You have to remember what a turbo charger does. It makes conditions in the engine like as it would experience at lower altitudes. So in conditions where a normally aspirated engine can have a max manifold pressure around that of the ambient pressure. So say pressure is 29 inches of mercury, that would mean the max manifold pressure would be 29 inches. Now for every 1000 feet, the pressure decreases by I think 1 inch (I think that is the rate of decrease per 1000ft). So at 15,000 ft the max manifold pressure would be 14 inches. The amount of fuel needed at higher altitudes (or lower atmo pressure) decreases for good combustion. That is why we lean the mixture as we climb, to compensate for that decrease of pressure. NOW, what the turbo charger does is it "fools" the engine in thinking it is at a lower altitude, hence higher atmospheric pressure. The turbo charger can even have the manifold pressure EXCEED sea level pressure (On a non normalized engine that is). This in turn makes it you do not lean the mixture during climb, nor takeoff. If you have the engine at too lean a mixture for a specific manifold pressure you can make it detonate, which is when the fuel air mixture explodes, opposed to burn and that's bad. (sorry if I rambled on a bit, but hope that explains how the system works.)

@einherz Ай бұрын

@@pythosdegothos6181 pressure doesn't gave oxygen:) if mixture have enough pressure but not enough oxy for burn all that stuff, you will need mixture lever for optimize power, and not make plugs mud again:) engines have different tricks like water/methanol for kill temperatures and push high octane number, or turbocharger or supercharger for push pressure. but only nitro gives opportunity to burn more fuel at high alt. actually pressure and nitro, but only pressure will not works, however, different engines have different system of mixture, and probably some of them give some more accurate correction by altitude/turbo. so, it's all about altitude, sedona in video pretty high, so if ambient temperatures gives you opportunity to play with mixture before running up, why not? before stop engine in any way better some burn the plugs at low mix, as don't use full rich at low power long time. or even every time use low mix on the ground. i don't real pilot, but fly some in simulator:)

@pythosdegothos6181 Ай бұрын

@@einherz Pressure changes the density of oxygen in specific parcel. The amount of oxygen molecules in a square inch of air at sea level is much less than at high altitude. It is why you can get hypoxia at high altitude. Compressed oxygen in bottles compensate for that in non pressurized aircraft, or say at places like Mt. Everest.

@BorisAudioWorks Ай бұрын

I appreciate the comments on the sounds and im glad you enjoyed them! Piston aircraft are raspy especially from the side as that's where it's the loudest - not sure of the exact physics though. You hear it very well on flybys!

@myZisfantastic Ай бұрын

Thank you so much Boris because you give justice to the Duke which sound very different to some other big pistons twins like the Cessna 414. I'm not disappointed at all, the sound rendition was a big point for me, often neglected by devs not only in MSFS!

@johnwithanr Ай бұрын

Mr Boris......I will only buy aircraft with your sounds from now on.....thank you for all you do.

@CCitis Ай бұрын

I think the Piston is the way! More character.

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

I would have to agree, Jeremy; personally, the piston is my favourite of the two also (although, the turbine does offer something a little bit “different” ; ) All the best!

@Farmer_El Ай бұрын

Thank you. I had my eye on the turbine, but I think your demo in this one has made me change my mind.

@facethefaceandmore44 Ай бұрын

You could always get the dual pack for a bit more

@johnwithanr Ай бұрын

I purchased the full package because of you. I have never been happier, I love it, You,,,,Sir..... are the reason, so many people get to enjoy MSFS. Thank you for all you do for us.

@IntotheBlueSimulations 14 күн бұрын

I’m really glad you’re enjoying the Dukes, John! Many thanks for the kind words, they are thoroughly appreciated - I’m really glad, if I can help people enjoy the hobby all the more! Happy flying and all the best : )

@pilotjcm Ай бұрын

Again, it was an excellent video, and I really enjoyed it. Great comments around flaps on takeoff and mixture operations. Thanks for sharing a couple of failure management cases. Keep them coming 🎉🎉🎉

@rustyshackleford1687 Ай бұрын

I was pleasantly surprised to see that Black Square decided to go ahead and release the project. Just did a test flight with the piston variant and it is absolutely superb. I may have found the aircraft to replace the Chancellor 414 as my cross country tourer. Not quite as luxurious of a plane but the extra speed and range is really nice!

@Flötistenleben Ай бұрын

Thank you for your opinion. I have the 414 and enjoy it a lot; should I buy the Duke? Is it really much better than the 414?

@rustyshackleford1687 Ай бұрын

@@Flötistenleben The 414 still holds up very well in my opinion. The visuals of both I think are pretty close and while I'm not an expert I feel like the flight models are both very good. The Duke pulls ahead of the 414 mostly in system depth and failure modeling and sounds. It's similar to the Apache in that in feels like a living aircraft. I think the 414 has the more interesting interior but that's more of a factor of the real life aircraft. I may end up preferring the Duke simply because the real life plane is a higher performance craft than the 414 and suits my style of flying a little better. I'd say get the Duke if you love vintage high-performance twin-engine aircraft like I do. It's probably the current best add-on of that type. But the 414 still holds its own quite well if you're still satisfied with it since the Duke is kind of pricy.

@TobyMikeBravo Ай бұрын

@@Flötistenleben Much superior in my opinion. The C414 is great, but the Duke is second only to the Comache now. You won't be disappointed.

@Flötistenleben Ай бұрын

@@TobyMikeBravo Thanks!

@kittealand Ай бұрын

I have to say at 13:24 when you are taxing out for TO the movement of the ac, how fluid it is, looks very very realistic. It almost fools at least my eye. For me this is otherwise usually a rather sore spot in MSFS. Perhaps it is your excellent camera work that does it! :D

@dadgametime7160 Ай бұрын

Absolutely beautiful job all the way around with this. Thank you for sharing

@aaronrazz9676 Ай бұрын

Beautiful flight very realistic! As always great videos, well done!

@pilotandy1333 Ай бұрын

Only one thing I need to moan about: I always thought normal takeoff in light twins is with zero flaps in case of engine failure after take off and turn towards the good engine after takeoff if possible.

@stucrisp6865 Ай бұрын

Exactly. Yes. I put flaps down on waterlogged or muddy strips to overcome the stick of the mud but only when close to rotate speed. You'll see the a/c get to a speed it won't accelerate past, then put down approach flap. If it accelerates, proceed. If it doesn't - abort. Assuming you have the distance available. Of course, if you are at the marker you have prebriefed as a rejected take-off point, close the throttles and brake but if in muddy conditions this can be a bit of a lottery :)

@jaysmith4302 Ай бұрын

I think you're right. You want to get airborne at a higher speed, runway permitting, so that you're as far above minimum controllable airspeed as possible.

@markscars1069 Ай бұрын

Released already. Good review as always ITB, cheers

@XCougar85X Ай бұрын

Thanks for yet another nice review. Really nice addons, both this and the turboprop version. Might have to add this one to the hangar.

@marijandumancic4259 Ай бұрын

Gorgeous!

@rogerrees9845 Ай бұрын

Very grateful for the effort you put into these videos.... Another remarkable aircraft...Thank you for your time....Roger...Pembrokeshire.

@jetnoise6053 Ай бұрын

Thank you, as always, for your great reviews !!

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

You’re most welcome, JN - my absolute pleasure! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content : ) Much appreciated and all the best!

@MrPeterhemm Ай бұрын

Thanks for another excellent flight! Love that on the Duke you sometimes need to "tap" some of the instruments to unstick the needles! Actually, I needed to do that in my last flight when the pre-oiler didn't seem to be reaching the needed psi on the right engine.

@jamesmurawski44 Ай бұрын

I am looking forward to taking this aircraft out for a spin. Thanks for the great review once again! The Black Square King Air is one of my favorite aircraft to hand fly, so I'm hopeful this will be the same.

@jacobaubertin645 Ай бұрын

Did you see the scuff mark on the main tires when you touched down!? wow!

@einherz Ай бұрын

my saver from my ignorance:) after half hour trying to start engines i opened your video:)

@thardyryll 13 күн бұрын

When I watch these videos I am always struck by how incredibly accurate the aircraft modeling is - and how the humans invariably look awful, especially the hands.

@trrrewr Ай бұрын

I can't believe Black Square sold you a Duke with so many problems! I'm sold! 🤣

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

Haha! Outrageous, I know XD I do hope you enjoy the Duke then (and that nothing breaks hehe!). Happy flying and all the best : )

@9deebee Ай бұрын

I've previously commented on your reviews on the Shorts and Dash 7... Well, you've got me again. I flew GCN tours from 1979-1982, about 700 of them. I flew them in Cessna 402s and 404s, however. As for "high and hot" operations, it was a calculated risk during the summer. In fact, at some point, the FAA mandated that we calculate our single engine rate of climb on our load sheet, something we should have been doing all along, really. In July, when the density altitude was somewhere around 10,000 feet, the rate of climb was a NEGATIVE 50 feet per minute. Small aircraft don't have to meet the performance restrictions of larger ones, at least back forty years ago. Fortunately in reality, there aren't quite as many trees around KGCN as depicted in MSFS. On takeoff if you lost an engine immediately, you were going to have to land in the dirt and you had a plan. In November, 1979, the crew of a fully loaded Martin 404 had just that plan. They were taking off on runway 03, (not preferred, but maybe needed for operational reasons) lost an engine and landed in a meadow. I was at the airport that day and arrived to see the the plane in flames, but with all the occupants safe. A trusted friend told me, from personal experience, that a piston Duke is a real 'dog' on one engine. The turbo conversion sounds neat. I really like your summaries at the end of your videos.

@FlightSimCFI Ай бұрын

Looks amazing. However I’m gonna wait (hopefully) another week for SU15 just because I don’t want to deal with the bugs. Also looks like the ground physics update is a must. All the preview videos I’ve seen of this plane it’s all over the runway

@KyleRodgers Ай бұрын

Thankfully, no authorization required for flights around the Grand Canyon, but it is a special flight rules area. There are a few areas that are "flight-free zones" where you're not supposed to enter unless it's an emergency. Beyond that, it's mainly just obeying the altitudes set for general and commercial operations. Good idea to keep the lights on, though. It can get pretty busy up there (and that's also not mentioning that there are sub-areas where they're required).

@vinylrabbit7295 Ай бұрын

I am part of the SU15 beta and the ground handling in the beta for this plane is exceptional. I believe the update includes a tire simulation for better ground handling.

@ysteineker7001 Ай бұрын

Thanks for exciting adventure. Well done The Just Flight BS Duke bundle rises the bar once again. The turboprop is more simpler to operate, but still enough immersion to enjoy. A new level of immersion. The small difference in engine performance (needle split). Tapping instrument glass to move needles. Every detail is simulated in systems . Insane number of possible faults- and most important the sound. Finally the beta range sound s correct. If you add the Tomahawk (simulated perfectly in correct flight model that most of us does not like) - Avro Vulcan - F28 Fellowship. All of them at highest standard possible.- Just Flight is the best designer/publisher today. PMDG is good - but lack of documentation is really negative. Just Flight adds manuals in range 100 - 160 pages to each model. This lifts JF to its own division.

@benvanboom8907 Ай бұрын

Thanks for your review, wich (as always) is excellent. I did not watched it before I bought it. Must say that I was a little bit disappointed…..because of two reasons. No.1: I only fly in VR and the ceiling and left window frame is so low and tight that i feel locked up….in 2D its a bit better. And no.2 the Flight dynamics are too touchy for my taste, took at your instruments a second and the plane is in a turn right away handflying it. As i read from one of the commenters here, in RL the ceiling is really low …so that explains something about my no. 1 complain. (I never flew a Duke in RL by the way).

@Gulf76 Ай бұрын

This is exactly how I felt after purchasing the TBM 850. I fly strictly in VR as well. I was really hoping they were going to put as much effort into the flight model as in systems development. The TBM 850 is sufficient for me. I’ll take another look after some updates are released.

@WellsSullivan Ай бұрын

I'll be picking up the piston version, cause I'm old school like that

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

Haha, but of course! The piston is my preferred version also ; ) Happy flying!

@jaysmith4302 Ай бұрын

Excellent video as usual. Just for fun I worked out the numbers for your takeoff. At 6609 ft and 35C, your airplane needs about 22% more kinetic energy, compared to sea level and standard day, to reach the calibrated airspeed necessary for takeoff. So even with a turbocharged engine making full power, there will still be significant degradation of takeoff performance. Then there's the question of mixture. In a normally aspirated engine, you would make some sort of effort to lean the mixture for takeoff, but I don't know if this is done with a turbocharged engine, having never flown one. In any case, the bonds seemed particularly surly at the Grand Canyon.

@MikeyD142 Ай бұрын

It’s outtttttt yay!!!

@Jigsaw407 Ай бұрын

It's out now! But the Justflight website collapsed under the onslaught. Hopefully back up soon.

@vermin1970 Ай бұрын

Must have given up on waiting for SU15 lol. I'll be purchasing when I get home!

@e36s50b30 Ай бұрын

Leaning Turbo engines the way you did will very most likely end with sitting in a glider within seconds. You will achieve maximum power as long as you are capable of maintaining max MA, except of temps not allowing it.

@neucoas Ай бұрын

Can you explain what is the correct procedure? What is "MA"?

@vedymin1 Ай бұрын

Hm...in climb i would lean for maximum power (we need the detonation margin at those power settings), in cruise i would lean hard, to the onset of engine roughness, then enrich a little to regain smooth engine op, basically don't bother with setting the mixture by egt's. All this while setting the rpms to the lowest safe setting (better for the engines and range, but depends on what you want), throttles either wide open or max continuous manifold pressure. Descend you keep everything where it is as long as you can, but you slowly enrichen to keep engines smooth. Fly high and close to carson speed. On the ground lean hard as well, as much as you can really. Based on savvy aviation videos on leaning, here on youtube, leaning basics and advanced class. He flies a turbo cessna 310 afaik and his engines survive long beyond tbo's, he's a mechanic by trade.

@e36s50b30 Ай бұрын

@@neucoasI apologize, I meant MAP.

@e36s50b30 Ай бұрын

@@vedymin1you only lean a turbo engine if you are positively safe outside of the red box. This can never be the case at only ~7000ft DA. The TIO-541 would not be affected of reduced MAP at that height. During a full power takeoff you should roughly see a fuel flow of roughly 260pph on each engine.

@vedymin1 Ай бұрын

@@e36s50b30 True that, most of what i said is about the cruise phase, with a turbo, your engines will feel like they are at low da for quite a bit, after take off you will be map limited and will have to back off throttles and rpms into max continuous settings, then you add throttle as you climb until you are wot, (all this will happen quite quickly) leaning for best power starts after that, after you reach cruise, you pull the rpms into low range, then lean hard to get quickly into the lop range and not stay long in the red box. When descending you will slowly add the mix so that the engines are kept from stumbling, then you will have to back off throttles to keep map and not overspeed. All this is easier if the engines are turbo normalized x) you just put the throttles to wot and the waste gates do the work...or you fly a turbine duke x)

@dadgametime7160 Ай бұрын

My TrackIR isn’t nearly this smooth. Great video as always

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

You’re welcome to try my profile, DGT - I’ve actually uploaded it over on Flightsim.to. If you search “Into the Blue”, you should be able to find it easily enough : ) I’m really glad you enjoyed the video. Many thanks and all the best!

@Glider324 Ай бұрын

Thanks. Would have liked to see how you programmed the failures.

@Rod.Machado Ай бұрын

those TIO engines are a pain in the ass.

@funkykai3380 Ай бұрын

Hi, you have my utmost respect, you make such great videos. What graphics settings are you playing on? ultra or high? and on TAA or DLSS? keep it up, best regards Kai❤

@mikecoffee100 Ай бұрын

I was thinking getting the two dukes and skipping the turbine version and maybe get the TBM 850 or get the full meal deal from Duke hmmmm but first SU 15 will wait what will happen could CTD or worse cant use the Duke or TBM that being said another AWESOMME VIDEO THANK YOU

@tedwaetford Ай бұрын

Are you going to review the JF PA38? It's something special..

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

Hello Ted, I certainly plan on taking a look at the PA38, yes (as always, it’s just a question of finding the time to do so haha : ) Cheers, all the best!

@CMACJAZZ Ай бұрын

Hello ITB, it’s been sometime, Charlie here, you planning on a presentation re Beyond ATC .?, umm re the Dukes looks like ground physics not 100% ? Thanks for the presentation very helpful. BR Charlie

@pythosdegothos6181 Ай бұрын

I have worked on and taxied a Duke Once...and never again. The flight deck has a crazy low ceiling or the seats are just high. All I know is my tall frame could not sit upright, and I was bonking my head on the over head. But like all beech aircraft, things things are just overbuilt monsters. "Brick sh*thouse" comes to mind. As for the product. I really like the turbine whine as you open the engines up, that is a really nice touch, the sounds are phenomenal. (By the way ITBS how do you get the Shorts, Traumahawk and other non stock aircraft as AI traffic like that?) Gotta say, I so much enjoy the piston sounds over the turboprop. Just that wonderful thrum of those piston engines, and done so well in this soundset. Twin engine aircraft with one engine out (from my experience with a Cessna 310) are next to impossible to turn, or even taxi on the ground.

@taketotheskies6950 Ай бұрын

Have you tried BeyondATC?

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

Hi TTTS, I haven’t yet but, I would certainly like to (same for Say Intentions). I’ll hopefully get around to it, one of these days haha. Cheers, all the best!

@N7Damen Ай бұрын

Hey

@Rikus1978 Ай бұрын

Better than Cessna 414?

@IntotheBlueSimulations Ай бұрын

I would say so, Rikus; I really like the C414 and perhaps somewhat prefer the flight model of the Chancellor however, the Duke obviously has much greater systems depth and I like the fact that wear and tear, failures etc are modelled. If you aren’t bothered about failures, then the C414 should tick all your boxes just fine though. I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )