A perfectly designed flower that will be mowed down by the gardener tomorrow carelessly. We humans take everything for granted in this world, yet we can even recreate a cell

@@Moist._Robot much atheistic lies stem from Darwin in the 1800's and even before that, in all reality. The father of lies, Satan, has been a liar from the beginning.

This only proves that nature can be quantified by mathematical constants, something one would expect in a universe dictated by implacable universal constants i.e. the speed of light is the universal speed limit (for massless particles which also behave as waves aka photons) and anything with mass can never achieve _c_ because the closer to the speed of light a mass gets the more massive it becomes, and would become infinitely massive _at_ the speed of light, which is impossible, so a mass can never accelerate to _c_. Then of course the values of the weak and strong atomic forces, that hold atomic nuclei together, but allow for valence shell electron sharing to create molecules from atoms, and so on and so on. The universal constants were established at the point of the _expansion_ aka the "big bang", and they are inviolable. So the behavior of all mass and energy are dictated by these laws. And since everything we can interact with consists of energy laden mass, it stands to reason that the universal constants will be represented in the forms and the behavior the energy laden mass take, whether it's a dihydrogen molecule (hydrogen does not occur as lone atoms of itself due to its degree of reactivity, it occurs as dihydrogen [Hsub2], the same as oxygen, which occurs as dioxygen [Osub2]) or a galactic super cluster. So, my dear deluded theist, you ask, "what does that have to do with us and YHWH's master stroke called creation?" It's rather simple; everything is the result of the universal constants at work from the Planck scale to the scale of the universe itself. I'm agnostic, so I don't know if there is or is not a deity or deities, but I am certain beyond doubt that her/him/them/they had nothing to do with the formation and shape of the universe or the things which reside in it, they are not necessary for universal laws to exist or work. (They're also not necessary for us to have "souls" as you call them, but I prefer the German "geist" because it's a word with no strict translation to English without context, and since they lie beyond the corporeal veil, I can't cognize what they could possibly be or their particular relation to our corporeal forms). Now, as for how the Fibonacci sequence and its derivative irrational number relate to the ratiometry of DNA and hurricanes and spiral arm galaxies, and of course, those pretty mollusk shells, it is rather ironically selective adaptation. Yes, evolution. Because every creationist I've listened to so far with their nonsensical "theories" and "proofs" keep pounding on that word. Evolution. Evolution. Evolution. Evolution. Over and over and over. We here in irrepressible curiosityville, cloistered in the suburb of empiricism, have moved far beyond Darwin's simplistic "fittest survive to reproduce" idea to _selectionism_, and there are many forms of selectionism at work. There's the basic selective pressure dynamic at work, closest to the old evolutionism, then there's selective adaptation, which adds the nuance of behavioral predilection across members of a species either being adaptive or maladaptive, then there's group selection, where a monolithic species either gets divided by a natural barrier, or the species is already multi-adapted for say, ground foraging and tree foraging, and an absence of predation causes one group to prefer ground foraging and the other tree foraging, and selective adaptation leads to desirable mutations improving the reproduction of more and more specialized ground foragers to diverge from more and more specialized tree foragers. Then there's kin selection, which is how our ancestors arose and raised higher and higher to us. But that's all too much by far I am certain. I ramble. Back to the Fibonacci sequence, showing up across scales in the hundreds or thousands of orders of magnitude in size. For supermassive objects like galaxies, or merely large systems like hurricanes, the sequence holds because, what's that again? Oh yes, universal constants. It's not a matter of faith, but rather, "it just so turns out" that the universal constants acting at quantum or near quantum scales, well, scale. Think of the slug of U235 at the heart of a thermonuclear weapon, a few pounds of U235 surrounded by a layer of tritium, and then a layer of high explosive, and gobs of precisely tuned mechanics and electronics, if set up just right, will generate a fireball briefly hotter than the surface of the sun, emit a respectable amount of energy in proportion to the day's totalized energy emitted from the sun warming the earth and its atmosphere, and produce a prominence billions of times larger in volume than the device which created it. Though an imperfect analogy, I think the point I'm making is self evident. The shape and spin of a spiral arms galaxy started as a mostly formless blob of byproducts of young universe hypernovae, orbiting a supermassive black hole (like all galaxies observed thus far) mass and energy like rich soil and a stable parent star, beginning to order itself based on laws expanding fractaly upwards from the quantum scale. The first life forms, the prokaryotes (like bacteria; no nucleus, but modern bacteria are much more complex than their Hadean ancestors) "But where did they come from?" Well, of course, evolutionary microbiologists have yet to spontaneously cause simple life forms to order them selves from their building blocks, but I don't think they'll ever be able to, personally. They have a thousand hypotheses, but they don't have a naturally occurring spontaneous genesis of simple life forms example lying around, and there's a lot that was simply smashed and bashed to bits then back together in the young solar system, so the geology on earth is of limited utility for evidence of some launching point from complex organic molecules conjoining in to amino acids, and then those protean amino acids spontaneously folding by chance in to simple proteins. It's going to take studying an organic rich meteor floating somewhere between the planets to get an idea of young earth organic chemistry. So for the time being it has to be taken for granted that simple prokaryotic life was already growing at the en of the Hadean epoch 3.7 bilion years ago, and we knew this from the exposed rock of the north Canadian shield, which is the oldest exposed rock that survived the early cataclysms, an it's a treasure trove of imprints of the earliest life forms. Now, keep in mind, selective adaptation and pressures were constant during this period. We may not even be the descendants of the first organisms to burst in to life. There may have been multiple geneses of life before the end of the late heavy bombardment. But once the conditions became less chaotic there still may have been several early geneses of competing microbial life. This is where the earliest common ancestor of ALL life on earth would have come from. And this is the answer to the Fibonacci sequence showing up everywhere. The competing biologies would have been in the first and most crucial series of selective adaptations on Earth. The simplest and most robust biological basis would be the ancestral species of all. And clearly, it was a life form patterned after the same universal constants that dictated the forms taken by spiral galaxies, hurricanes, and every other robust and repeatable form. A form that just so happened to mimmic the mathematical pattern of the fibonacci sequence and its irrational derivative encoded within it. Why that sequence? It's simple, it's robust, it repeats indefinitely, and it achieves a stable pattern after very few iterations. And that's a dictate of the universal constants. And that's it. It's that simple. Robust, repeatable and stable forms which are entropy resistant (with the help of a stable star driving the nascent biosphere) are adaptively robust. And that's it. I spent two hours writing this. Try picking away WITH OUT resorting to mythology.

​@Moist._Robot yep when it takes you 50 swipes to get through the reply, it's a good indicator that you should just move on.

@@jules6601you have been well indoctrinated by satan, our wonderful educational system and our government who will do nothing but benefit themselves rather than the masses. The creator does not need people who believe that they are brighter and more resourceful than he is, rather, he loves and helps those who can appreciate his divine beauty in everything. The beauty in which he has designed everything makes him the divine creator, not “the educated”, who believe that they have it figured out.

​@@jules6601 sounds like you wasted 2 hours 🤷‍♂️

Wow, that's very interesting. Can you tell us more about these tools or show a link?

@@KevsGuideyeah! I’m interested to know more too xD

Me too.

excerpt that there's no creator

@@MarilynLoveYou I used to feel the same too, until finding the wonder of all things that surround me. I now understand sciences with a new unlimited point of view. No idea should be squandered in a box or in mere words written in a book. Be unlimited, freedom exists there.

GOD is really advanced man or man resembles God. He writes codes, designs, invent maths etc

actually , the golden ratio does not prove any god creator , only that nature follows a pattern , which is more than obvious

Really? Patterns are used all the time to catch criminals, break codes, regulate activities, manufacturing, recognizing the laws of nature, etc. @@MarilynLoveYou

@@raygiordano1045 that's what i meant , there's no sign of a god in a mathematical formula

I don't know why you'd expect the kinds of order that the life, and the material world, display if there wasn't something giving it that order. I suspect you're just another person who things things just order themselves. Personally, I have never seen anything create order on its own. @@MarilynLoveYou

Yes, I froze!!

The story of lots daughters is also very inspiring. Truly moral.

Now brace yourself like a man, love it

@@YamyatosI think you’re only saying this because you either do not understand what the Bible is about (ignorance) or you do, in which case you make a mockery of it. Nothing moral with what happened with Lot’s daughters or with Abraham lying about who Sarah was, or the rape of Dinah or King David’s adultery and murder. If you’re smart enough to know there isn’t anything moral about these people and others like them, then what is the Bible about?

@@jars7774 Not sure if im misunderstanding your comment, or you misunderstood mine; but of coure im not saying this story is moral. That's the whole point. Pretty much all of the bible is as immoral as it gets. And im glad people dont actually get their morals from that book lol.

Another interesting fact is that if you divide 1 by .618 You get 1.618 which may be the only fraction that works with I’ve tried many times

Flat earth, babyyyy!!!!!! Science can't prove nothin

​@@--..-...-..-.--....how did you join the flat earth club?

@@sonjiachilds I was just trolling😁

@@--..-...-..-.--.... maybe you're the one to tell me what Trolling is!

@@sonjiachilds maybe this is a prophecy!?

Atheists are just like MAGA

Amen! John 14:6

Jesus is the only way to heaven Being a good person won’t get you there. “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬ ‭ESV Repent from your sin(disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you will be saved “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭13‬:‭3‬ ‭ESV

@@feetyeet8538You don’t find it a little suspicious that jesus cares more about worshipping him than being a good person? As an agnostic, I act in a way I would consider to be moral whenever I can; if jesus does not believe that being a good person comes before inflating his ego, than he is no god of mine; if he does, it shouldn’t logically take devoting my life to an illogical cause to avoid eternal damnation. Plus, this way, I am covered under all the other thousands of religions that claim the same things as you do. 10/10 would recommend

​@@katawhampus9879What do you mean by *good person*?? Are you referring to an absolute perfect individual or a moral hypocrite??

"I came across the Fibonacci numbers" Fibonacci numbers have nothing to do with any god.

@@user-on3wh6wu9n The orderliness and beauty in their use points directly to a Creator who delights in beauty and variety.

@@rf7477 someone read the sparkle creed 😵‍💫

It's in all of creation If proves earth is an orb Not flat Also atoms and solar system have similar patterns

@@rf7477 GOD IS MALE

Do it! When you use the ratio, pieces seem to fit like a puzzle.

I wish I knew this. Thank God you do

@@robertsimpson9403 Circle of Fifths?

Not one person genuinely did that. People look at evidence and collect data and propose things that most fit said evidence/data. It's how science works. Also, the big bang is more akin to expansion, not an explosion. Believing a book written, translated, edited and compiled by man over the course of hundreds of years despite us observing things in said book being incorrect or the book contradicting ITSELF is what is utterly insane

​@@itscrab9124*The blind will see too when they stand at the Gate.*

​@@residuejunkie4321thanks for bringing a thinly veiled threat to the conversation instead of something to actually add to the conversation!

​@@itscrab9124. *_BOO!!!_*

@itscrab9124 good luck.bro. every prophecy written in it coming true daily...but .have a safe day. .

Don't let these goofballs get to you. They can't help themselves.

​@@razark9

​@@Moist._Robot

Shalom Sis!

@@Gerttie82 Shalom ♥️

We literally do understand this, its the electromagnetic force. Quantum mechanics can explain electron orbitals quite well, thanks.

​@@mrastin821THaTs WOkE PrOpaGanDa

@@starskill7468so for you what is electromagnetic force, Quantum mechanics?

@@luish1498 I think starskill was being sarcastic, hence the mix of caps/lowercase. He was being facetious.

@@mrastin821 i have my doubts

Fibonaccis sequence is very cool, but it doesn't prove creationism.

@@tone9358 shhhhhhhhhhhhh

​@@tone9358philosophically speaking there are many things we can't prove. However, considering this ratio is everywhere makes one think did the world, universe, etc, was it an accident and we get this sequence by chance. Or could it be that the world, universe, etc was created.

@@TheIrunthisson I agree, there might indeed be a creator. But mathematics existing doesn’t prove a god, it don’t prove a Christian god, & it certainly doesn’t prove creationism.

@@tone9358 I think I agree with you when you say it doesn't prove God exists. But what do you mean by prove? I think it doesn't prove in it in the same sense as one would go through a mathematical proof or a philosophical proof. However, I think if I have the two options and ask myself "does this make more sense that this would all be the effect of time and chance or is their a creator?" Or imagine you stumbling upon a quilt with all these intricate patterns. Do you think someone would walk away going "yeah there was no one behind this woven quilt."

All good.. just keep keeping on for GOD's glory and purposes..

Now, to outsmart AI: learn to tell ANALOG time Quarter to. Half past. Ten of... I dont think AI could see the sun 23.5. Degrees at all times The .5 causes the seasons , drive a STICK, write in CURSIVE, etc Before boomers exit, the need to teach gen alpha If they dont, they may not make it Oh..music is fibonacci too

@@kathleenking47 quite confusing but yeah 😅🙌

Amen 🙂🙏

Math is evil!!! It's the devils work!!!

@@--..-...-..-.--.... Hardly.

What evidence?

@@georg7120 How's your guide dog 🐕🐶 Georg?

@artchnei8Industr You said art class?? I'm really blown-away!! Yrs ago when I finally was questioning God, I was out shopping & an elderly gentleman leaned over to me & said, "Did you know that God is left-handed?" WHAAATT? I'm obsessively left-handed, so he had my attn! He continued that he's an artist & it's believed in that sphere that God is left-handed due to the placement of petals on flowers & leaves, throughout all of nature, incl. the roll & shape of seashells, etc!! When I met that man, life was drudgery & deep gray to me. That brief discussion made me see color & beauty all around & instilled a hunger in me that continues today. So, if you receive the link or have other info you could please share with me? I would be forever grateful!! God's blessings on you!!

I need to add: I'm okay that God isn't left-handed. He has my full heart no matter what!! Blessings!

@@natureshealing6534 Encouraging to read about your experience. Have you listened to John Lennox?

@@isusjeputiistinaizivototkr6134 Not yet! Lol I must go look him up! I'd love to hear anything you have to share! Thank you!

Any rational person would simply say there are unanswered questions rather than concluding / asserting an unproven supernatural agency or " God did it." This is an honest position to hold by genuine inquirers in the rigorous exercise of their curiosity in the pursuit of knowledge / understanding.

Bible first, look up Charles Clough, framework Take your time, enjoy.

I’m sorry Answers in Genesis does not provide this tool in their website store - posted by moderator

@@MeMe-qc6ow God would know if he existed.

That's awesome ty for this

Jesus! Is Adam and eve a story about incest?

And yet they teach the THEORY of evolution in schools as if it's fact.

@@noname-oe9jy exactly. This world is in rebellion against God ever since Genesis 3. Anything they can do to deny their Creator, they will do.

​@@noname-oe9jymaybe you should just do a quick Google search of a scientific theory. You're welcome😊

Garbage

Consciousness the fourth dimension? Oh yeah, sure.

@@starskill7468 if you look up fourth dimension in some dictionaries, that is what it says

Yes you could argue all things strive for equilibrium. But why?

It was designed that way.@@Moist._Robot

Did natural selection form galaxies? By the way - mutation & natural selection can't build new body plans.

@@chrispark2698 biology different cosmology btw you are wrong biology 101 . Because selection is just that - selection. *Mutation* creates new traits, good, bad or indifferent, then natural selection selects them, reducing frequency of the harmful ones and increasing that of the useful ones.

@@luish1498 Galaxy spin lines up perfectly with the Fibonacci sequence, same as the life here on Earth. But that's just a coincidence? You're repeating the *theory* of natural selection acting on random mutation - but what evidence is there that this particular process can build entirely new body plans? That it can transform a single cell into all the vast arrangements of life on Earth? You know that scientists have spent over 50 years attempting to force mutation in bacteria and fruit fly populations? Guess how many new species they've created. I'll give you a hint: it's less than one.

@@chrispark2698 The goal of those experiments wasn't to produce new species. It was simply to study and better understand mutational affects. Guess how many instances of incipient speciation have been documented in the scientific literature? HINT it's way more than one. 🙂

@@chrispark2698 _but what evidence is there that this particular process can build entirely new body plans?_ The evidence comes from the relatively new science of Evolutionary Development or EvoDevo for short. Mutations to HOX genes and their transcription factors have been empirically observed to produce new body plans.

You don't know what a fallacy is

@@tone9358 I do: atheism.

@@refuse2bdcvd324 A fallacy is a line of reasoning based on poor inference. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. You don’t know what a fallacy is.

@@tone9358 I do. The definition you gave is a modern definition of atheism that atheists were forced to come up with because the classical definition is a logical fallacy. The classical definition, which is still the most widely understood definition, is the belief that God/ gods don't exist. The only way anyone can rightly know that God doesn't exist is if he has some means of observing everything that exists. Atheists are not capable of making that assessment so classical atheism (which is the most widely understood definition of atheism) is a logical fallacy. Now you know what a fallacy is. Please embrace truth. Declare Jesus as your Lord, believe in your heart that God raised him from death and you will be saved (Romans 10:9).

tone9358 , and who made those laws?

@@csillab3804 We don't know. But its circular reasoning to claim God exist because laws exist & laws exist because god made them.

@@csillab3804 - why do laws have to be 'made'? Surely they just exist, and we investigate them to understand their properties, and we call that a 'law'.

@@csillab3804 As far as we can tell they're emergent properties of this universe.

@@Faust2Dr Nothing exist just like that. Laws mean order. Where no law there is chaos. Humans also made social laws to avoid chaos in society. Isn't? Every time ppl rejected laws society turned into chaos and collapsed. The existence of laws prove the existence of a higher intelligence, who made those laws not just for the sake of laws but with a very strict purpose! To make something to work in its best way. So no any law without reason! Reason claims!!! a higher intelligence and a living intelligence one as materia has no life, can't think, can't generate laws which provide order in its function! The Supreme Creator made these laws which provide perfect function for His creation! This is the only logical answer! And what is logical that is the truth!

What is the origin of that mathematical law? Or any law, for that matter?

@@chrispark2698 The laws of nature are constant facts within our reality. Gravity for example. But if you’re asking “where does gravity come from” or “why does 2 + 2 = 4” you are simply asking a derivative of the question, “why is there something instead of nothing” which is a great question. The truth of course is that nobody knows. Given that nobody knows, is a timeless spaceless agent a possibility? Yeah it could be! But that doesn’t prove that God exists. It doesn’t prove that such an agent set the laws of reality in place with deliberate intelligence. A creative spark that defies our known natural laws would be an exciting discovery! And it would be origin of life researchers that discover it first.

@@andrewdickson1556 Your skepticism is too much. How many coincidences before you must accept the truth in front you? Beginning of the universe from nothing. Fine tuning of the initial conditions of the universe and its universal constants - or "laws." The logic of mathematics behind the universe. The specified, instructional, functional information found in life. Consciousness itself. The ONLY sensible answer as to the origin of all of this is an intelligent mind.

@@chrispark2698 you think the only logical answer is an intelligent mind. But why a god? Why religion? Why young earth? None of that follows

​@@andrewdickson1556Or better yet, "Why are you here?"

Yes please try a mathematian. They have tried to explain the mathematical improbability of all of the fulfilled biblical predictions

Frog to a prince? Oh my, you are confused

@@--..-...-..-.--.... Actually, that's exactly what evolution says.

@@dooglitas I imagine a frog evolving into some kind of monster that can live on land and in the water. I don't imagine a prince, but hey time will tell in some million years

@@--..-...-..-.--.... Your body processes more instructions per second than every computer on Earth combined and does so on a mere 20 watts of electricity, a single cell goes through 10,000 chemical changes per second, your DNA contains code that can be read in multiple directions, has encryption, and a sophisticated error correction system, this code is beyond human capabilities and contains incredibly complex instructions on how to replicate, repair, and keep you alive with an immense number of failsafe methods to protect you. Observation for thousands of years has clearly taught us complexity, especially information, necessitates intelligent input, evolution requires a suspension of this scientific observation and requires a special pleading for a never observed mechanism that is capable of extremely complex sequenced purposeful information without the need for an intelligent agent. Evolution is a fairy tale for adults, hence the frog to prince statement.

@@--..-...-..-.--.... Evolutionists state that all organisms descended from a common ancestor. Literally they believe that amphibians (e.g., frogs) evolved eventually into human beings. A prince is a human being. Thus: frog evolving into a prince.

@@razark9 when they talk 🐹

@@CR-yd4qe true .. 'open mouth, insert banana' -ray comfort

@@madddog7 I must say, of the two I prefer the banana. More brains but less talkative 🐹

A rock.

@@chrispark2698 I thought old gody made everything?🐹

@@CR-yd4qe He sure did. But he didn't *design* everything. Rocks are made by natural processes which were set in place by the Creator. Pretty simple stuff, really.

@@chrispark2698 we agree, it is simple stuff🐹

@@razark9 And what is the origin of those natural processes?

Please explain the Universe and why it is...for it declares the glory of God.

@@alantasman8273”You can’t explain it either, therefore I am right”

@@dinfast No, I have an explanation...but you are willfully blind to the truth.

@@alantasman8273 Your explanation being that the Earth was created by the God of the religion of the culture in which you were raised?

@@Moist._Robot My God is a God of miracles ...John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

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