Meanwhile Britain is doing genocide in Gaza

a free dinner cooked by a loving parent is not to be sniffed at! lucky you! ;)

@@atee876 its true and I got two of 'em.

I still haven' got any further though the interview. But an odd thing is, my feminist colleague doing post grad stuff after finishing, went from theory to praxis, and gave a me a pile of her feminists texts to add to my home library between my epistemology and logic sections. They are fairly recent general texts and collections of essays mostly. The thing is, Judith Butler is not even in most of them, and is only a couple of quotes in the one that mentions bodies. I mean I'm all for privileging margins, but really?

So i read all i have of Judith Butler in books in five minutes. Thing is i went full Butlerian for some years from late 2000's though to early 2010s. All the EGS seminars and lectures some I watched several times, and many other lectures too. So right now I thought I'd have a go at performing Butler and then return to this interview and write about it after some praxis and experience. Just don't tell my friends on the right and my conservative colleagues. You can assess this already in comments on a Konstantin Kisin talk at Centre for Independent Study 2 weeks ago. For praxis reasons I choose to omit any reference to Butler, until I've drawn them in.

Means nothing

No, trans activists are bringing lies to a war on the truth.

We must keep plugging away, coalitions are the only thing that works against fascism. 💜 Happy Trans Day of Visibility.

i loved that lol

I'm gonna steal that.

What does it mean?

@@uncoiledfish2561 "are we focused so much on feelings and ideas that we are unequipped to deal with the material consequences of transphobia?"

How so? Is gender-nonconforming uncle a stereotype? I've never heard it.

And trans ideology is strengthening those stereotypes.

​@@milascave2What is he not conforming with?

​@@Qq-xs1fzfor sure. Tomboys are now trans. It has taken us back to the 60s

@@milascave2 A gay uncle (an effeminate gay uncle;. not complicated at all; obvious)

They have protection wings for vulnerable or at risk inmates, men's prisons aren't safe for many men, do they all get to go to the women's prison too? Funny you NEVER hear of Transmen going into men's prisons. It is the most bizarre thing to have feminists advocating for men over actual women.

She mouths contradictions continually and seems oblivious. No intellectual rigor to her thinking at all.

The risk of having trans women in women's prison is lower for women than the risk for trans men if they are in men's prison, but that's just because of numbers. With transwomen in women's prison, we have a low number of transwomen compared to women while with transmen at men's prison, we would have a high number of men compared to a low number of transmen. Basically, a rabbit is in less danger if there are 100 rabbits and 1 fox in a forest than if there are 1 rabbit and 100 foxes. That does not remove the danger however, it just means it's lower than it could have been.

The difference is that there is statistics for sexual assault against Trans woman in mens prison.

Exactly 😂😂

There is no logic to the pro-trans movement, in fact when faced with logic it withers up and dies.

The entire movement is twisted

@@urbansetter1 thats the entire point of the theory. Sometimes also called "sophistry"

The problem here is that some things are quite complicated, you see

To post-modern thinkers, everything -- and I mean EVERYTHING -- is relative.

😅😂

i lasted 10 seconds

@@noklarok Can't handle the free marketplace of ideas?

Yes, please! 😂

They don’t dare, it would result in Butler looking even more ridiculous than she is on her own.

No not Joyce. I think Kathleen Stock is a better debater.

Yep

no? we do not debate with fascists.

one terf, two terves?

Well by forcing them to go in the bathroom that matches their sex instead of their gender, you are literally forcing woman into men-toilets etc. Wich often leads to sexual violation. One thing for the terfs (not terves): What about trans men? They are now forced to be in womens spaces where they also dont want to be. Yes sexual assault is a lesser problem, but still you will whine. And why? Because its not about that.

@@v_6302 “Well by forcing them to go in the bathroom that matches their sex instead of their gender”. strawman. apparently no one has thought of third gender bathrooms. “What about trans men?” no one talks about trans men because they dont pose sexual-violent threat to men; why does no one realize this?

To post-modernists, everything is relative; there is no stable meaning. It's a free pass to mouth nonsense.

Thank you Jane, for being considerate :) I think that's a good approach, I think that's what my parents did as well after I came out

Obviously you don’t understand basic biology. Please study what exactly Postmodernism is. Then you will understand what reality bending Butler does.

@@PattisKarriereKarten We're all biology experts here, didn't you know? Elon has now insisted that all Blue Tick Twitter Accounts prove their expertise in biology and pass an ELON MANDATED BIOLOGY TEST and produce an inexpensive CERTIFICATE before being allowed to scream abuse at trans people!

That's an interesting way to characterise feminists objecting to, for example, convicted rapists in women's prisons. They are being hysterical, whereas you are, quite reasonably, outsourcing your politics to your children. And there are only people, by the way. There isn't an "alternative" to that.

Glad you understood something from her explanation of what a woman is, other than “nothing.”

Well, males tend to be aggressive.

Well said

Is the debate, then, if transgender people exist? Your opportunity for “educated pushback” was this comment section I guess

And what is 'educated pushback'?

@@kimberleylouiseprance445 a counter point argument.

No they aren't. Gender nonconformity is always used as a scapegoat when society is a mess, but gender nonconformity has always been a part of human nature, it's nothing new. You're just falling for tired old propaganda.

I think you missed the point where she said that that's the narrative that is being pushed so that you blame other struggling people for low pay and shitty living conditions

lol because society's always been neat and tidy

@@chrisharvey7461 It wasn't neat or tidy but it was never this absurd with so much cultural degeneration.

@@Inquiringmind0 “cultural degeneration”. lmao are you lost

It's accessible. And everyone needs a jumping off point that is grounded in their reality. I myself appreciated some simple anchors. Given at the end you reflect on it, but the fight isn't for ground zero on social identity. Its about taking ground back from ignorance. You don't teach math with algebra. You start with the numbers.

​@@philsanders9625Then why not start with biological reality rather than the seemingly idosyncratic social norms that have developed over the course of millenia? Then you might learn why those social norms exist in the first place, and thereby learn why it's idiotic to use them as a proxy for becoming the opposite sex.

@@philsanders9625 and when talking about gender and sex stereotypes, you start with the immutable nature of sex. A transwoman is only a transwoman because they are a male sexed person.

mine isn't

@@chrono4998 is your womanhood constructed?

I'm sure the meaning to be a woman and the experience of a woman is different depending on the society, place, and time you analyse. So, how could the meaning of what is to be a woman change throughout centuries and nations if the biological aspect of those human beings haven't change? What I'm saying is, womanhood and manhood is performative because, although biological sexual characteristics remain the same, the gender roles changes depending on the culture (I'm sorry if my writing is confusing, english is not my first language)

Yes, people are also addressing those topics…

Butler is really a good academic and a decent person. The transpanic will only subside with more calm conversations: share this widely, please. 💜

The problem is that even when we are polite, transphobes will spin it any way they can unless peoppe take the time to watch videos like this, and most right wingers don't watch this channel unfortunately, because it'd pretty leftist

Well said!

It doesn’t even require an open mind. Just common sense.

@@dewilew2137 absolutely

The newest comments also include people whos comments are later deleted because: Unwanted commercial content or spam Pornography or sexually explicit material Child abuse Hate speech or graphic violence Promotes terrorism Harassment or bullying Suicide or self injury Misinformation Legal issue Sure thats public opinion, but also extremist views, neutral people comment less, so get a bias. There is a extension for the browser called "Return KZfaq Dislikes". I may not agree with you on things but i still want a objective and scientific view.

KZfaq should change to suit your preferences, but the meaning of the adjective transgender is a change you can’t make in your mind?

what is “expection”?

​@@expedition346 A typo.

words have different connotations, and in that specific example it wasnt even about the word “woman” but rather the meaning of the entire sentence “what is a woman?”

thats exactly the point.... what is your reality can I question your status..?!

@@sebbosebbo9794 You can and should question everything. My status is single. Why? You wanna take me out for dinner?

A squirrel lives in my garden rent-free.

Making all oppression to be connected eliminates the significance between them.

@@chibu3212 What significance? That our capitalist imperialist or any authoritarian dictatorship depends on oppression as a feature of that system continuing?

But what *is* an animal?

@@incurableromantic4006 A creature that identifies as one is an animal. Oh wait ....

They don’t give a shit about any of these things.

Isn't your Christianity legitimizing male violence towards women in arranged marriages? And sexual voilence in boys choirs from Priests? Or is that not relevant now that we changed the categories? What about social contagion? Ever wondered if spreading the gospel so intensely could affect kids that are very suggestionable?

​​@@atlas_cass 😂😂😂 I'm agnostic and even then you're misrepresenting that religion. 😂😂 Try not to be disingenuous next time.

What you mean to say is you're offended by you can't explain why. That's okay, I'll do it for you: It's because you are obedient.

@@paulsmart4672There's nothing obedient about disagreement. You seem to agree with what you have just heard. That stinks to the core of obedience, passivity, ignorance and thoughtlessness.

@@familiecole fact

@@paulsmart4672 Don't be so kind. There is ZERO intellectual value, this is as anti-intellectual as it gets.

@@paulsmart4672 Perhaps, but atleast he can string a sentence together.

But even if you weren't "told" directly, society tells us the way things are. Most learning is aquired, not instructed, such as language. You need to know that bigots, such as Richard Dawkins, also don't like transgendered and queer people. Religion has a par, but being conservative is more of a factorx and that doesn't necessarily equate religion, especially if you look outside the US. Sorry, I thought I had to add that, just saying are implicit values that we learn or aquire in society without having lessons on it.

Yes, because religion can be an expression not of spirituality but of authority. God the father, is the chief guy in charge and he must be obeyed. Faith constitutes the rules that lay down fundamental rules of being that cannot be contravened.

​@@alvodin6197I bet you use the word 'bigot' a lot. Dawkins is a liberal. He's also a scientist.

@@kevinjohnson9533 religion is only ever an expression of authority. Faith is different thing altogether

@@JohnnyComelately-eb5zv He's also been roundly condemned for anti-semitism, Islamaphobia, and promoting classist eugenic ideology - as well as several pseudo-scientific ideas.

There's not sufficient intellectual honesty or internal consistency in the definitions and reasoning used by the modern transgender movement for her to do that. They know there's no logical defence to limit 'identification' to gender under their ideology, but it's not acceptable to many people that accept their ideology to apply it to race. So they can't offer an internally consistent condemnation of the idea of race identification, without it also applying to gender identification, and they can't accept it as being part of their ideological framework. So when you ask the question you get waffle as an answer.

​@@Narapoia1 Exactly. Well put.

Truth, it's all a transhumanist movement

​@Narapoia1 I can give you a clear answer as a trans woman. Please explain to me what hormones that I can take to become a different race? Humans on a development level have both sexes inside of them to some extent. We all start female. 50 percent of the time it develops onto male. Basically, we all have inside of us gender and sex already and it's there to be used regardless of race. Race doesn't work like that medically and a white person doesn't likely have any capacity inside of them to become Asian as they weren't born with that inside of them. There. Perfectly, scientifically answered. By the way, yes I am the one you are refusing to answer in the LBC. Where I have completely pulled apart your moral panic over us and provided zero backing for any of your wild claims. Most notably comparing our healthcare to lobtamies which I found hilariously inaccurate.

@@calumlambert but there are no hormones you can take to become a woman, only simulate womanhood and that’s not the same thing. Scientifically the entire human race originated in Africa so why can’t a white person say he has ‘African inside of him’. Also what if a white blonde person discovers that he is 13% percent ‘Japanese’ in him, can he then claim to be transracial? Get all the surgeries on his eyes? Dye his hair? Learn Japanese? Live in Japan? Does he become Asian/Japanese? No one is a pure example of any race , to some extent you could argue that we are all inter-related , so why can’t we identify as each other’s races?

It's not freedom, it's slavery. The first step, preparation. If you don't see it, I am very sorry.

Yeah and how is that exclusive to cis women? It's not. XY Intersex women and XY trans women can and do undergo female puberty and development through HRT into adult females.

​@@VixenArt3DSDs are sex specific and nothing to do with gender or "trans identities"

​@@VixenArt3Men don't go thru female puberty no matter how much estrogen they take.

​@@VixenArt3No, they don't go thru f*m*Le puberty.

Butler was correct to identify context being key to understand what is being asked, eg. If Rishi asks Keir, that's quite different to a Kindergarten teacher asking one of their students, and different again from an international student using their grammar checker. Rishi has subtext, so the useful question is to ask, what is the subtext? Political questions are usually complicated, and intentionally so.

Aging*

however, if we are to ever transition to a society based on allocation to those in need, we certainly have to consider intergenerational population proportionality, regardless of our technological level. this does not necessitate patriarchal fixation with birth rates however-we just need a certain continuity (ie no booms nor busts)

I'd like to point out that the interviewer didn't ask Butler to answer what a woman is, but rather talk about what do people intend when they make the question "what is a woman"

Exactly

💯

Succinctly and eloquently stated!! Her 20 minute bout of logorrhea when asked, ‘what is a woman’, was just an embarrassment of pseudo intellectual transcendental nonsensical word salad.

Butler seems to not be able to comprehend it's imperative for women's rights to differentiate between "a woman can be everything" and "everything can be a woman". The former opens the world for women, the later puts us back in the box, because for any concept to be meaningful, there has to be a coherent definition behind it. If that definition isn't grounded in biology - such as a woman is a woman because of her biology as a woman no matter what she looks like, does, says, etc. then what is a woman? By Butler's words, if anyone can become a woman, then for women to be anything at all, you have to fall back on stereotypes or just erase the concept completely, because there is no inherent concept to step into. A trans woman is a trans woman by approximating the concept of womanhood, but they inherently can't enter biological womanhood. By this same token Butler is suggestion, what is the limitation to womanhood? Because any concept has a limitation for it to have a meaning. It's actually by far easier by her logical than any patriarchal one to limit women from the concept of womanhood through their behavior, looks, words, because if they no longer are defined as women by their biology then they can be excluded from it by any other concept.

Precisely

This is a silly way to interact with the concept that trans women exist. The adjective transgender means the thing it means. It has absolutely zero effect on you. Like, maybe theoretically. Get over it

This has got to be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen in KZfaq comments loool my faith in humanity is restored

No counterarguments, and its spelled "psychopath"

@v_6302 What is spelt “psychopath”?? (And while we’re at it, it’s spelt “being” not “beeing” and “which”, not “wich”).

You give that a go and see how it works out for you

They'll never accept that

Does it have a basis in psychology? Is there a history there? We could entertain any number of wild hypotheticals, I’m just not sure it’s helpful or honest

That is because there is a difference between race and gender, for race that is decided by the genetics of your ancestors and parents, for gender, all foetus start as male and it is inside the womb that hormones and androgens affect the foetus and dictate the physical birth sex and psychological birth gender of a child.

​​​​@@kimberleylouiseprance445What nonsense?! Your fathers sperm either carried a Y chromosome or it didn't determining your sex at conception. It is in every cell in your body and can't be changed. There is no proof whatsoever that anyone has a gender identity of any sort. There is a far simpler explanation for sex that the comparatively woolly concept of race.

Well that is where she lives

@@poochy Sadly true. PLEASE tell me if you have ever heard her say anything about the trans-youth cult. This whole mess is built on the gender confusion she helped create. I would like to vote her off the island and as I said, Saudi Arabia as well as Iran, Russia and China need more Butler. She also aligns very nicely to their autocratic mindsets which are closer to the socialist - Marxist than a capitalist world view. She would also be held accountable for the devastation of her views.

would love to know what your definition of a woman is without resorting to a circular definition, i.e relying on “adult female” to save you

LOL, "adult human female" IS the definition of the word "woman". Nothing circular about it. Read a book - the dictionary.

@@sillyguy951 the words "adult" "human" "female" dont need "woman" to be defined so its not circular

Adult human female is not a circular definition for woman.

@@dakinichick yeah that's a very simple and clear definition. but go read the definition of "female" on dictionary and say farewell to all the simplicity.

Because the human neuropsychology has an extremely difficult time dealing with nuance

In a way I think you've partially answered your own question, we are able to distinguish concepts like "fair/dark/light/brown etc. skinned" from concepts like "white"/"black"/"South Asian"/"Puerto Rican"/"Malay" etc. etc. etc. even though there is obviously some relationship between them, often a fairly strong one, but not at all 1 to 1, and it's obvious that the latter are socially defined categories. Isn't that basically how it is with gender & sex characteristics too?

Actually, having thought about it more, I think my previous comment is a real oversimplification lol. Never mind 🙃

Like the above comment is fine as a first pass, and probably a useful way to outline things and draw distinctions, but actually yeah it falls apart a bit under too much scrutiny. Like sex itself is also to an extent a constructed category not just a clear essential/natural one. And words like "white" and "black" sometimes clearly describe social categories, other times more just describe a phenotype, and other times the distinction isn't made, or clear. Just like with sex vis-a-vis gender. I guess, in conclusion, I don't really know how taxonomizing this stuff really works idk ask someone smarter? Philosophy make brain tired...

​​@@Muzikman127 you can't just say sex is to an extent a constructed category without explaining why. Because, that's kind of the crux of the matter.

I'm glad to see that someone here can see through her!

Judith Butler is a veteran and well respected feminist. You not agreeing with her does not negate that.

@@sarah-janelambert8962 Her framing of feminism in this is absurd.

@@sarah-janelambert8962 Putin is a veteran and well respected Russian politician. Must be a great guy, then...

@@jamakaya1332 It is my experience that the majority of single issue GC campaigners are not in fact feminists of any kind. I am a second wave feminist from the 1980s onwards and biological essentialism was never a part of our feminism.

I think one of the points made in Judith's book, Gender Trouble, is that someone's gender is the result of repeated gendered acts (hair, clothes, speech etc). So in a way it equates what people are and what they do. A bit of a chicken and egg question

Butler emphasizes coalitions against fascism that uses fear of their own stuff being taken away to get people to agree to giving up human rights for everyone. More healthcare, more social agency, more history, more work, more funding, more art, more science research happens with equity and inclusion.

Everyone else stopped being interested in gender stereotypes in about 1950 but Judith's still trying to put us in little boxes

@@ayeright320 That seems like such a strange perspective to me. Do you have a concrete example of Butler’s gender stereotyping?

@@B99994 C'mon you only have to go about 5 mins through the interview to get to the first example. That's just being lazy...

@@alst4817 Can you be more specific? Clearly I wasn’t watching closely enough.

Yep she knows full well but it doesn't fit with her grift

i'm statistically more likely to be harmed than a cis woman. give me a break

@@asuka_the_void_witch If a trans identifying person is in court in UK they are statistically much more likely to be the accused. Male on male violence isn't women's problem so solve.

Which harm is that? Conceptual harm over the consideration of an adjective? Yeesh

Yeah, lets invite a person that ignores 98% of all studies available on trans healthcare for their review and then even backpaddles on the report. Not even going into the bias she obviously has...

@@sodaaccount Oh really? What's your basis for saying that?

@@davidwarden4974 Reality? Just read the "report" and you know what I mean. It is clearly disclosed that 101/103 (EDIT: iirc) studies were excluded because they were "weak". Some of those weak studies were used anyway as they painted a transphobic picture, LOL. As to her backpaddling, she gave an interview to the Kite Trust. There she acknowledged that it would be inhumane to conduct double blind studies on trans people (the reason they declared 98% of all studies as weak). “In the data the Cass Review examined, the most common age that trans young people were being initially prescribed puberty suppressing hormones was 15. Dr. Cass’s view is that this is too late to have the intended benefits of suppressing the effects of puberty and was caused by the previous NHS policy of requiring a trans young person to be on puberty suppressing hormones for a year before accessing gender affirming hormones. The Cass Review Report recommends that a different approach is needed, with puberty suppressing hormones and gender affirming hormones being available to young people at different ages and developmental stages alongside a wider range of gender affirming healthcare based on individual need.”

@@davidwarden4974my reply got hidden for some reason. If you sort by newest you will find it.

You mean the Hillary Cass that just recinded positions that her report said?

What if able people start self-id as disable? Not all trans-disabled people would abuse disabled people, but there is a door open.

Yes! There is also a strong link between the historical view of disabled people not being "real humans" and today's argument about trans people not being "real X", based on physical and genetic characteristics. The arguments used against both groups are very similar.

You don't like your pope being challenged?

You need to get out more

She sneers that her opponents haven't done their homework about what they're criticizing but then demonstrates she has no idea about the substance of their criticisms. Unbecoming and sloppy.

When have you ever seen her defend an argument in a situation where her nonsense is actually challenged?

Judith is the epitome of sophistry

@@umamicashflow1809 "She sneers"? Really? You might be projecting.

​@@raincadeify "Sneers" was used metaphorically to indicate the arrogance of the behavior that was the subject of my comment. Funny how you completely ignored its substance to nitpick its vocabulary. Very Butlerian.

Yes they literally are, definition of sex is purely arbitrary, changing from country to country throughout the history, remember sex has been proven to be a spectrum and diversity with high end peaks on both sides. Trans women were born women, their innate gender identity developed during the 2nd trimester is what defines their sex just as much.

@@Shalanayasex is either female or male. No spectrum. How someone feels is subjective and sex is objective thus sex is observed at birth.

@@Charrison9918they observe genitalia at birth, not sex…

@@sodaaccount​​⁠they are typically related unless intersex .

​@@Shalanaya you realize that every definition is arbitrary right?

the same way a platypus lays eggs

Not everyone mixes it up. It serves the interests of gender ideology.

I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't get to hear any audience questions 😔 Also, jealous! 😁

Likely questions weren't included bc of sound/no mic or no signoff of permission when audience came in to release their image use. (I'm an AV tech, that's the 2 most common reasons especially for early sessions and small orgs.) Audience: always eat the mic with your question and offer to sign a release or it won't be used in videos.

@@alioxinfree Bit of a shame about the mic feedback in this, huh? I didn't want to moan about it, but come on, it's Judith Butler! Get the tech shit together!

She talks absolute nonsense that would fall apart on the first challenge. No way she is taking questions

@@ayeright320 They did though.

but categories are invented as it develops visually.

The Yin has a Yang in metaphysics. A Buddhist might say: You have lived in a female body a thousand times, and in a male body quite as often, and now you are still not getting it? At the same time I totally agree to Butler saying that people have the right to choose a style of living and presenting themselves.

Richard Dawkins and Robert Winston would beg to differ, and I'm pretty sure they got beyond GCSE...

Didnt know female and male anatomy became the same after the age of 16. Thanks for info.

@@RikPurde Ah the good ol' appeal to authority ruse - Dawkins said sex is binary. Whether or not that's true it does not make it congruent with gender. However, he did explain how transphobics would get that wrong with his meme hypothesis.

@@aky10011 It also appears that you don't understand how variation is an essential component of evolution and social animals aren't constrained to sex specific gender roles.

Philosophy isn’t about answers it’s about questions

She wasn't really asked that question. The question was, "What do people mean when they ask that question?" So basically, they avoided having to define "woman."

@@mewho6199 Same thing, same answer. Q. What is a woman? A. adult human female Q. "What do people mean when they ask that question?" A. They're asking if you think a woman is an adult human female. Either/or, they end up at the same thing. Her answer should have been 'They're asking if you think a woman is an adult human female."

She doesn’t know.

@@barbarasumrok8321 _______________Of course she does. Everyone knows.

you maybe are an afraid person and you think there's a "truth" as if universal view could be

Who's truth?

@@Kirsty-tb4qp exactly

Unless you're either trans or one of our healthcare providers, we aren't asking for your approval, FYI. Nor should we need to, this doesn't concern your life.

@@angelainamarie9656so non trans people needn't watch this and can't possibly have an opinion?

@@garyg1705 you don't have a legitimate opinion. That's absolutely correct you aren't part of this discussion. Learn some concept of what's your personal business.

@@garyg1705 how could what someone else is doing with their genitalia possibly have any bearing on your life unless you've been invited into that person's life.

@@angelainamarie9656 why don't i have a legitimate opinion? what is my opinion?

Couldn’t agree more!

Words contain meaning and are filled with conotations. If a judge asks you if you like children, he could mean if you are pedophile, but asking the same from parents, is more like smalltalk about family, etc. Transphobes use that, as she clearly describes in the talk, that its used to discredit people that feel unomfortable giving a clear answere, because they dont want to exclude trans people. Others use that to try and better understand a topic. The goal is different, so the answere should be different to.

@@v_6302 the answer is clear, and people avoid giving it because men aren't women so transwomen are men.

it sounded reasonable to me. but I'll watch it again..

Yet all institutions are teaching queer theory

pot calling the kettle black.

right back at yuou

You are polite. I'm with you.

🤨.. ok

irrelevant

It’s fascinating how criticism of Butler so rarely touches on anything they’ve written or said. Here: “Butler is a sophist.” Why? Dunno. Because you said so, I suppose.

@@sasha_something . I find it equally fascinating, that the confirmation bias, and celebration of cognitive dissonance evoked by the words of Butler is rife.. She espouses rhetoric that is at best contradictory, and at worst disingenuous, but she remains the go to figurehead when it comes to all things transgender, so much so she has made a successful career out of it. Her 1990 book, Gender Trouble as one example, introduces the now-mainstreamed (academic) concept that gender, sex, and the “category of woman” are “fluid.” "The main conundrum faced by gender identity ideologues today (and, by proxy, women’s rights advocates), which they have refused to respond to in a cohesive way, is that, 1) If there is no concrete definition of “woman,” what is a “woman’s right”? And 2) If a woman is not a material thing, but just a vague idea, why the concerted, often violent effort to insist “transwomen are [literally] women”? What does that mean? What is a woman? And why is it important we “accept transwomen as women” (particularly if there is no such thing)? What are we accepting them as, and how does it improve a male person’s life to be “accepted as a woman”? Hence my use of Sophist to describe her.

@@rexcarrulers6504 When I clicked on this video, I was prepared to give this perspective a fair hearing. But they (plural, the two of them) lost me with the casual, group-loyalty-signaling use of the derogatory term 'terf'.

​@@ronmackinnon9374terf isn't derogatory it just means trans exclusionary radical feminist

@@marcelusdarcy “terf” is sometkmes used derogatorily

oh no boohoo u mad bro

At a certain point, one has to wonder if you're even listening. Judith is asked layered questions, which require layered responses. Having an attention span that lasts longer than three sentences really helps to parse the language she's using here.

Oh I understand what she's saying, it's just there's no substance to the answer.

​@@theotherzaphriel488where is the lack of substance in the idea that cultural expectations of gender are different from the biological expectations of sex?

@@zacharybosley1935 mainly the follow through of thought. The cultural expectations of the sexes are determined by their biological contribution to the family unit and based on average physical strength. I don't see where she mentioned that they're born of actual limitations and strengths and although one size doesn't fit all, it has served a historical importance in a protection of the biological imperative.

that's because the "actual differences" don't meaningfully contribute to how those expectations are sculpted in the present day, boss. You gotta recognize that the norms of the hunter-gatherers have less than zero utility to a fully industrialized culture. Historical precedent is just as illogical as any appeal to tradition, especially when we have been re-evaluating those expectations since before first-wave feminism. Acknowledging biological differences does not meaningfully justify the status quo.

Transgender people exist. What a way to address that information

Transgender people exist. What a way to address that information

Transgender people exist. What a way to address that information

Transgender people exist. What a way to interact with that information

Most religions don't agree with trans people.

I think the war on gender is silly. Because what someone calls themselves isn't going to change everyone lives. How is it going to hate me? No different if some person believes or knows they're a tiger. How is this person believing that going to hurt me? The war on gender isn't real. It's just an excuse for bigotry.

There was a war on civil rights activists and they obly ever had 30% approval rate. We are guided by truth, not populism

It's often not about other people's expectations about how to live, so much as one's own. If you've got to live in that body and those roles every day of your life, why not customize them to suit you?

That still doesnt' delegitimize trans people's identities though.

Yeah I agree with you

what do you mean by “gender”? you seem to be conflating concepts

You say "identify", because noone can look into your head, where your gender is. Beeing black is observable from the outside, so no indentification is needed. This roots from the same misconspetion that gender and sex are the same. Sex is your body, like chromosomes, hormones etc. and gender your sense of self. Gender-expression is how you present you gender, by using clothing makeup or hrt to change the external view. The sex is still the same, as is the gender. But your gender (male) can be different from your sex (female). When you see a random person, to figure out their gender, its completely automatic, you arent rigorously proving that. You look at the gender expression, because its the only thing visible. If you aregue you see sex, then you need to be able to directly detect someone chromosomes, wich only works by making assumptions like: for most people (cis) the gender matches the sex. But even then you have masculine presenting woman or feminine presenting men (femboys). Trans people only change their gender-expression. I was always biologically male and will always be, and i was always of gender female and will always be. I only change my gender-expression so people can better assume my gender, and i am allowed to act more like my gender.

@@v_6302 Being a man or woman is observable from the outside. No identification needed ✌️😂

​@@v_6302Yes go back to the 1950s women means long hair and a nice dress, men have short hair and suits. Butler is living in the last century

@@v_6302 uh oh! “noone can look into your head, where your gender is.” careful! you could be liable to a private language argument. in the meantime, how do you know race is not also “in your head”?

Judith answers the question.

Policing of women's bodies and identity and invisibility of men's struggles absolutely two sides of the same coin 😢

Everything has pros and cons. You also get less hate on the other hand.

@@Miriam-nb9sh less hate???????? Would you be well????

@@anfearaerach Miriam doesn't understand that side of the debate, much less the trans women/woman side of the debate. To fully understand it, you need to know both sides there (trans men and women)

😂 so you're a bigot then