Terrible Writing Advice What do you think of Kratos? He's an anti hero that a lot of people hate

actually pretty ironic because i was gonna mention guts as an amazing antihero

Needs more likes, it's a good explanation.

I saw the thumbnail and thought to myself, oh boy he's gonna rag on my boi Gattsu isn't he.

Honestly as much as I love Berserk and think Guts has some pretty deep character; it isn't something that needs justification even if you were to rag on it. Particularly since I was certain that your video wasn't about Guts, but about how antihero writing has become this trend that people follow without possessing the knowledge to understand how an antihero should work as an authentic part of their story. I have some news though, brace yourselves everyone, Guts isn't the only "antihero" worth discussing.

You can still make it morally ambiguous: - By killing them, he saved MILLIONS of innocent people. - He was forced to do it by the bad guy. - It's part of a plan to destroy the bad guy that does worse things all the time. - The world is so garbage that mass murder is just considered a misdemeanor. - He did it on his past when he was an idiot, and he now must carry the weight of the dead in his conscience. - He was convinced they were not innocent at all. - He practices a religion that makes human sacrifices a regular part of life, but is a good guy in everything else. - The situation was so desperate that "collateral damage" was acceptable. - He did it to spare them a fate worse than death. - Uhhh... It really was an accident he caused, but he's convinced it was the bad guy's fault... - Uhhh...He literally can't tell apart good from evil and if he ever does good is because he's blindly following orders from the actual heroes... - Uhhh... He knows that is wrong, but he has been sentenced to summary execution for a crime he didn't commit, and after years of being on the run he no longer cares following the law... And the bad guy is worse. I don't know... Effort, amirite?

Sounds like The Punisher.

@@DonVigaDeFierro I got one, unbeknownst to most people those thousands of innocents were possessed by malevolent spirits and he's so broken from his past trauma that he simply could do what had to be done

That’s why I like Guts from Berserk. He is by no means a hero, but he’s not a completely terrible person.

Odin sphere in a nutshell

@Marc buck and fuck

“My name is Buck, and I came here to party” 😉

z o o w e e m a m a

*W O W Z E R S*

Red Hood and Robin basically

Character development be likes

_The only character development you need is becoming _*_more_*_ edgy!_

"I can fix him dad!"

It’s only hot if they fix him themselves

gives you nothing to work with :((

Zuko, look, yer honor! *points somewhere*

I think he actually became *more* popular when he started to become better

Docrof Reborn she escaped! But how?

Ye, but this is _terrible_ writing advice.

@@mahogania5536 The hair helped 😂

Joebroe

Guts yes?

Kratos?

Tudor Ciubotaru Kratos is the antihero that they screwed up.

Travis Touchdown (No more heroes) manages to avoid so much of this video, and he's one of my favourite antiheroes.

standard mook, who was probably blackmailed into helping the main antagonist or is just trying to make a living: butcher him main antagonist, who is responsible for everything and wants to commit mass murder: spare, otherwise you are just as bad hero logic

BCPowerhouse I absolutely love your comment It so true I hate that cliche too.

+Veronique van Dijk selective justice

that sounds like vegeta in majin buu saga

Susaga I might have done a slight subversion on that. I hope it's subverted enough.

Lies

The standards of a slashfic writer are much lower than you think. They can and will write about anything. Even the most obscure novel/comic isn't spared or shown mercy.

@zipit flygirl you are writing a sequel to Don Kichot then?

@zipit flygirl Will this book of yours be dEeP?

@zipit flygirl that's mean that you're a successful writer I guess

The original or the remake?

@@sodaftpm185 both, but in the remake is more obvious

I find it also really funny how Tifa notices that Cloud's acting weird and basically decides not to kick him out because she thinks he's mentally ill

@@arambles1 Have you seen Critical Drinkers Video-Series "Why modern movies suckkk"?

@@nenmaster5218 isn't that just most of Critical Drinker's content? "So and so bad"

Katrinasis LMAO

Katrinasis you say "humanize" but now i want to do a fanfic where Shadow DOES get some depth. Or at least he's reacted to the sane way.

Yup 😆

i mean he had 4-ish games to get some depth

his character was humanised well in the comics but humanising their characters is the last thing SEGA will do.

Someone already made that book... How uncreative...

High Definition Apollo *Perfusely vomits*

High Definition Apollo i would read that ironically

Replace werewolf with kangarooman and you've got Tank Girl.

*visible fear*

He's just like that in the games too ! That's just how geralt is

@@clankymocha but not like the books tho. In the first book he is speaking for hours to a mute priestess, and even interpreting her reactions, to make up responses to his own storytelling. And in the games too you can have good dialogues and interactions. The Netflix show is despicable, it just presents an edgy and stupid Geralt.

Well, he is an interesting type. Deep down Geralt is a traditional hero, but because he is a mutant he wear a mask of the sociopatic profesionalist as a shield. He's also had the sarcastic view of the world, caused by learning and witnessing of cruel and dumb bahaviors of ,,intelligent" creatures. I don't blame him.

@@rayanemabrouki3524 yeah, they definitely made geralt too edgy on netflix, cavill is definitely good enough though, only character whose adaptation im satisfied with.

Don’t forget “Fuck”

You know he was never like that in Sonic Adventure 2 right they just turned him into that in Shadow the Hedgehog. Why he was not like that and o-6 but after that ya

Did you mean "Ow the edge"?

@@lonelywolf5659 Sega tends to fuck up some characters as time goes on, I'm sure this may end soon though.

"Shadow" best name ever xd

Edgy the Hedgy.

What about Deadpool?

No Ratchet from Ratchet and Clank

It is Kirby.

lem0n Cheif is a war hero, he is really sacrifice himself selflessly countless time

Wario isn't an anti-hero, he doesn't really care about morals.

asterluke you mean the hate triangle where they hate a character who wont hate them back and thus have to deal with their anger because if the other person hated them back they could be enemies and just fight.

Nah, they usually just get a regular love triangle. Changing the formula is far too much work.

Gregor Hodson But that doesn't fit with the anti in anti hero. We need not a love triangle, because as you said, can't change the formula. But an innocent, sheltered, and ignorant woman who is an heir to be a space empress, and is the most beautiful in the galaxy fall for him. This is obviously called the bad boy trope, and in no way needs any other explanation to why she manages to break through his tough exterior, and what actually made them meet. You only need to see the anti-hero's past and feel for him, which only makes that woman fall even more for him. Edit: I wrote that before the part where he says the love triangle part

Anti-live quadrangles are better. Please refer to "Midsummer Night's Dream" for details.

@Jeffrey Wasn't that the plot of Lego Batman?

lol

@Crimson Outdoors Co. I rewatch it every two or three years

That line is only "iconic" because it's weird and awkward. It shows that he tries to help but doesn't know how because he's new at it.

Zuko is the actual MC of Avatar

I’ve never heard that one before

MixingTheArts vegeta .

*@MixingTheArts* Or a SWAT-like team shot and killed his only friend while they were trying to abduct him. _Take your pick._ =^p

Not his father. His wife. It's always the wife.

@@stevenhiggins3055 I don't think Shadow The Hedgehog and Maria Robotnik were married. Heck, I don't think Maria was even old enough for that.

Flamra Fire Guts is just a very typical looking antihero even though he's a very well written one.

Yeah, Guts even hits a lot of the marks in this video, too. Always wins battles, is out for revenge, wins the love triangle, etc. I guess it just comes down to execution. Guts is more justified in his brooding than most anti-heroes, but he can warm up to people. It's not like he wants to be a mopy brood, the world of Berserk just fucking hates him.

Basically what you're saying is there's a fine line between a well written Antihero (read; Guts), and a poorly written Edgelord (read; Kirito)

Kirito's too bland to classify even as the worst anti-hero.

Bret Ginn The black trenchcoat and dual wielded longswords disagree

That's... that's Guts my guy

So shadow?

@@teleportsaroundyou4629 yup

That’s literally every antihero

You LITERALLY just described Guts from Berserk

Gervant oscilates between short sarcastic quips and long monologes.

“Sure, what do I know? I’m only a Witcher.”

There's some people who can turn these into find something that can bring someone back Or have him not moving on and preferred to stay alone ( if it's loved one )

Leaving him with trauma/PTSD/loneliness. Or his adrenaline needs to be satisfied during the battles and his lust for the blood forced him to find a new excuses to kick some ass. Like the Punisher.

Or what if he decided at the last moment that revenge wasn't what he wanted after all and he performs a heroic sacrifice to atone for his sins and stop his own revenge plot before it's too late. After his supposed death, it turns out _he actually survived after all,_ except *now he has amnesia* and one of the only things he actually remembers is the death of his loved one, so if he eventually remembers who she was and how upset he was over her death he runs the risk of going on a roaring rampage of revenge all over again! 😜

@@5Rogi Comic Punisher or Netflix Punisher?

@@gfilmer7150 Comic. If I remember correctly he has a plot, that deep inside him is the need to fight. Before he lost his family he even changed his surname in order to go to another war.

Sorry but I called dips on them.

ÈRPÉKA oh fuck. Just don't put them in a love triangle, ok?

Jaiya Papaya Too late... I already shipped your parents together... And you won't know who the third one is... I am the embodiment of evil! *twirls a fake pair of mustaches*

ÈRPÉKA NOT THE CLICHESSSS

The book? You mean Aeon Legion: Labyrinth?

shenotski Guts is the best antihero

shenotski humans are weak and we die easily, but no matter how weak we are, no matter how much we are tortured or trampled upon, no matter how much pain we feel, we still want to live.

lutin grognon then live long enough to swing back with double the force

Wait isn't guts the anti hero here?

CASCA!!!! 😠😱

Robbie Bay shut the fuck up

You deserve Donovan

no

He did nothing wong. He put his grasses on.

Sir you slaughter all your friends to become a super demon and then brought chaos upon a world just to have some few life in peace while the rest of the world gets ravaged by monsters. What do you have to say to your defense? I did nothing wrong

*"SAUCE GAAAAAY!!!"*

Lol omg yes. There were so many overused tropes in Naruto. The helplessly in love female side character who gives nothing to the plot, the oldest and wisest mentor character for the hero’s, the main character being a shone protagonist that wants to become the best because?.... they want to become the best! There, now just make him super annoying and dumb, btu only when the plot needs him to be. At other times he’ll be smart enough to formulate a useful strategy despite having 0 brain cells shown beforehand. And even through all of this, EVERYONE respects him and says how good he is at making friends even though none of that would ever work in real life.

@@saffi_taffi Actually I think the protagonist thing wasn’t that common when Naruto first came out. Otherwise, yeah, so many tropes.

@@saffi_taffi I personally think tropes aren't necessarily bad, they just get a bad rep because some writers completely rely on them and don't develop the characters. Like casca from berserk is a tsundere but she's a fleshed out character

@Supreme Ace lol are you kidding me? Sasuke is literally the king of edge lords.

I just recalled that chaos comics purgatory series was a thing, it was so cheesy but it was soooooo good, best cheese 1000/10

Man 90's anti-heroe comics, my favorite will always be Deathstroke the Terminator!

It was still better than what Marvel is doing today.

Western culture in general was trying way too hard to be cool during the 90's. Music, cartoons, comics... everything.

Douglas Rosa Do you mean with comics? Then I agree 100% (even though I quite like secret empire whoops)

so goddamn right

except his fan are fucking retarded. Griffith is bad guy not guts bla bla bla.....is like they dont even read berserk There isnt a BAD GUY ON BERSERK is a Super GRAY STORY in FANTASY and Gore.

ever heard of the PUNISHER?

was thinking of him too~

Raul Rojas agreed, I don't know why Griffith is considered so evil . I found it irrelevance. What he did was in human but come on he is human too... And one of the best character writing ever .

Edgy Kong is Dead!

HUH!

heh, nothing personnel, kid

*I'VE BECOME SO NUMB I CAN'T FEEL YOU THERE!!*

ENCHANTMEN pffft

t850terminator CRAWLING IN MY CRRRRAAAAAWLLLLL

THESE CRAWLS THEY WILL NOT CRAWL

Where can I find this?

but it remained a mystery

probably dnd or something

Because swearing automatically makes you edgy. Sure.

With Obama.

Whatever...

I guess that makes it more sense they know what it's like

Arriaah Ara yeah, by this antihero is one that the writing community (mostly Wattpad) needs, but not one it really deserves.

Kazi Islam Truer words were never spoken

Kazi Islam preach

I'll admit, they get better as the manga goes along , but damn, yeah, for sure.

*Bosporus interresperence!11!

Muschkael Sergey Jojo referendums*

To be fair, Berserk actually uses the strategies he mentions in this video. Guts does open up to others, he has failed, his goal is revenge, and he actually has a personality.

Oh, I didn't mean references to the writing (well, mostly). But how he drew in this ep. I'm well aware Berserk is written splendidly and that it does uses the (opposite) advice in this vid.

I don't understand could you please *Tell me why?*

I wanted to have a convo about Berserk, but since this comment was made 11 months ago... *It’s too late, it’s too late!!*

You can see just how depressing berserk is when our only fanbase meme is about an opening with broken english

@@_sargentocoelho_4441 What about Griffith did nothing wrong.

@@flynn659 Yea that is the ultimate joke

Pure evil villains: Exist. Fangirls: Let us write stories about how you're a poor victim and all the terrible things you've done are everyone else's fault.

Anti-Villains: *Exist* Fangirls: Let us write how much of a loser you are.

Moonlightpetal Cherry Thank you for the edit! I was really invested in the uncliche story.

...how that's VERY CLOSE to the Birth of Democracy propaganda story in Centaur's Worries.

You mean YA novels in general

Twillight has antihero's you just don't realise their antihero's cause their so uncool basically the exact opposite of this video

There's even a Love Triangle! :D

Unless you're in the original Metal Gear, where it kills you.

If it makes you feel any better, I did write a story once where a character who was a chain smoker eventually died of lung cancer.

Reminds of the fact that most Marvel characters who smoked were people who wouldn't die from it (Mr Fantastic, The Thing, Nick Fury Sr, The Hulk and Wolverine) with the few exceptions being Mary Jane and JJJ

​@@logopolizer7602 or if you're in Madness Combat

Unless you're the question

Meirstein *_Did you mean:_*_ Mapleshade_

So kind of like Magneto? (He dies fighting Sentinels before the time travel thing.) Alright, got it. A long time ago, in Auschwitz, a boy wanted his mother...

Meirstein No such thing as anti villains. Only Heroes, anti heroes, and villains

Naseeb Dhaliwal Doesn’t matter. Villains are villains. How well the author writes them determines how relatable they are

Naseeb Dhaliwal Not quite

True berserk is the OG edgy black swordsman

He is not stereotypical. He is kinda at the start, but it all starts making sense as it goes on.

jotaro is EDGY AS FUCK and A BAD ANTI HERO XD

Raul Rojas can't agree now though lol , we all know why his actions were too edgy at the beginning . It makes all sense now

Raul Rojas Yare yare daze. You have a bad taste for Joestars.

Kids always like edgy things

@@a_naotenhonome780 Ah, olá pt/br randômico.

Well my anti hero wasn't easy nor minimal effort to make, it took quite sometime to fully create a good enough character to have redemption and reasoning.

@@megaalex6720 One (kinda obvious though) hint to make a good "edgy" anithero is to make them go through a lot of shit to justify their broken personality. The most obvious example of this is Guts. But of course, give them a human side too.cDon't make your entihero edgy for the sake of being edgy like Shadow.

Corporations won't lean to far into the character's negative aspects because they still want to make them marketable

Other options: "Notification squad where u at?" "Nobody cares that you're first." "Something sexual involving daddys."

"Overused meme that no-one liked in the first place"

Remember to randomly blame a politician!

FURST

For music videos, "I was brought here by "X"", where "X" is whatever film/TV show the song was most recently in.

HOW DO YOU WORK?!?!!?

But Shadow's story was already--oooh you are talking about Shadow the Hedgehog. Eh, just pretend the True Route only exists and forget the other crap. I still love him tho.

KING FREAKING CRIMSON. Remember when Shadow was edgy in a FUN way? Man I miss those days

Horricule Nowadays he's just a throwaway boss battle. Lets hope Sonic Forces fixes that.

KING FREAKING CRIMSON I really hope he's just brainwashed in Forces. I can't think of any foreseeable reason why he would be going against Sonic.

His personal avatar's a reference to a meme from like 100 years ago lol. That's why it looks the way it does.

Or maybe it's just because the characters are represented of fictional characters and the writer avatar is a representation of a real person.

A true anti-hero would have the inverse of having only pupils - they would have Youngblood's Disease, where you only have blank white orbs for eyes. Other symptoms include highly exaggerated muscles, constant gritting of teeth, and feeling the need to spout off one-liners that wouldn't be out of place in a Steven Seagal movie.

I don't think it's that deep

Love interest? I thought that was a fangirl- probably off to go write some fanfiction set "before he became good and dumb" or something.

And sad. But it's a Mary Sue. Shallow heroines longs for a shallow traits.

...and then someone worthy of his affection comes into the fray, and they help one another become the best version of themselves.

lmao

cyrad I agree. But for the revenge part, I'm glad that the characters called it out early on. I remember Kakashi going up to him and asking "what are you planning on doing after your revenge plan?" And Sasuke didn't say anything.

Aye, but putting a lampshade on it doesn't make Sasuke an interesting character. He's boring and cliche.

+cyrad Sasuke most definitely isn't dark and broody. He was only eight years old when he returned home to find his clansmen slaughtered with his beloved older brother being responsible. Its not like he was a 12 year old child who knew who was responsible for the act and (understandably) desired to take action against them in order to gain justice for the deaths of his clansmen and move on from that part of his life.

Boss Isaac So what's your argument that Sasuke isn't dark and brooding?

Though seriously, I think you should save the inevitable love triangle episode for your one-year anniversary, or a huge subscriber milestone, like a million.

the BERMUDA LOVE TRIANGLE™ (or BLT)...NOTHING ESCAPES its influence or devious grasp on FOOLISH HEARTS and DYSFUNCTIONAL/IRRATIONAL EMOTIONS!!...NO ONE!!!!!

Shadow the Hedgehog and Maria, Seto Kaiba with Mokuba, Wolverine and X-23, Bruce Wayne and Damian Wayne, etc.

But that's actually kind of adorable.

Except Rick in Rick and Morty.

Cristian Lopez Of course he’s the exception😂 But seriously, you don’t see anything that involves politics or economy which I get can be sometimes be boring but can be effective if properly illustrated

Hella smart

Littlefinger in ASOIAF used that

This was a strategy the Hulk of all people considered using to defeat the Minotaur in the Immortal Hulk

toriloveSubarukun agreed

I think he is more of a reformed villian. A well written one, but he wasn't introduced as a hero, so not really an anti-hero

Carewolf, his conflict that caused him to go rogue very early was already there. He rarely followed orders to the "T" choosing his own path. I can't really say he is a reformed villain, but more of a vilified antihero. It's kind of like how Deadpool came to be. His reason was never conquest, it was money as a mercenary that drove him to do everything he did. He aided both sides of the conflict at different times. Not villain worthy material and not hero worthy either. Zuko has redemption that pushed him, not conquest. He was literally a pawn to the villain. Zuko chose a path that was neither good or evil instead. He played major roles in both sides making him more antihero in my book than anything.

toriloveSubarukun I think he was always heroic but on the wrong side. Maybe I'm off base

toriloveSubarukun He always cared for his crew and uncle and only wanted the Avatar. So I don't consider him an anti-hero.

Sailor Italy Look up Trope talk

TV Tropes has a really good intake on that. It's basically the Leader, the Lancer (guy who constantly challenges the rule of the leader), the Heart (the girl to whom everyone softens up), the Smart Guy and the Big (and usualy dumb) Guy.

That is exactly how a five Man Band should look like, otherwise it wouldn't be one ;)

+lutin grognon *"words, words, and more words"* You forgot the love triangle! And the guy who joins up later, but was really a spy/traitor. But more importantly, the Love Triangle!

So basically JoJo part 3

Agreed, I'm writing a series where the main character is a vigilante anti-hero and guess what, I have him surrounded with people. When he's in a bar, he's hanging out with friends (old friends from his time in the Special Forces). When he's on a mission (taking on organized crime), he's sometimes working with people so he has someone to either coordinate him or watch his back. Just because he's morally grey, doesn't mean he's a total loner.

You make a good point, but your name is REALLY not helping you.

Nah. Optimism is a more difficult choice. Cynicism is an easy escape for the weak: The weak take refuge in cynicism, because if the world is a horrible shitty place, they are allowed to be horrible shitty people, right? And cynicism sanctions their greed, dishonesty, entitlement... Is merely an excuse to not be held to the same standards as heroes with pure morals. "I can't be Superman because I didn't grow up in a comic book! This is the real world! You can't judge me or what I do!" Because when they see a true hero with pure morals, they don't see an ideal to aspire to, but a standard they fall short of. People have really missed the point on what a "hero" is supposed to be and represent.

@@DonVigaDeFierro This exactly. It's fine for people to like anti-heroes, there is something appealing about someone willing to shatter the bureaucracy and get shit done. However people act as though being a cynical asshole who is cruel to others because the world hurt them is something to aspire to. Being kind is not perplexing, being optimistic is not childish, and being helpful is not naive. A sad upbringing is not an excuse to be an asshole, and I think too many writers and readers conveniently forget that in favour of acting as though being a cynical pessimist is something to aspire to. Antiheroes are first and foremost very unhappy people, but they do good things. They aren't always good people, but they try to make the world around them a little better. They aren't just cynical for the sake of being cool and edgy.

@@ButterflyScarlet "They aren't just cynical for the sake of being cool and edgy." *Or at least the **_interesting, well-written ones_** aren't.*

With you 100%! I never understood the appeal of either Wolverine or Batman.

B Anon Be glad that the writers did made Wolverines and Batman as a rape victims like Guts the Black Swordsman. That will be going to far here in mainstream media.

That's why I've always liked Marvel more. Marvel has Magneto, which imo, is the real essence of the 'dark side'. It's not just his mother in Auschwitz, but he has everything taken away time and time again, always persecuted by the same people Xavier keeps telling him to open up to. His motives make a lot of sense, even if it is the genocide of the human species. Compare that to: Anakin gets dumped and then kills of a bunch of kids. Really, George? As for Batman-- my sister loves it and I don't have a clue why. Where'd the money come from? Does he resell bat droppings as Herbalife, or something? Where's his misery coming from? His parents? Millions of kids grow up fine after having lost their parents at a young age and they don't have a castle full of stolen Stark Industries toys. I enjoyed most of the Batman stuff (movies, cartoons, etc.), but the fundamental story is pretty crap. The best Batman films just straight up ignore his backstory, just like the best Starwars films just straight up ignore Darth Vader's backstory. No story is better than bad story.

I've always liked how they made Batman and the crew have to hype up on super pills and do weird shit in order to gain a chance at defeating Superman in Gods Among Us. Because Batman cannot headbutt Superman into outer space, contrary to popular belief

Well, Batman is normal by comparison of the company he keeps. Outside of that, yes, he's pretty much extraordinary by human standards. But, one must also recall that's a world where men can fly, magic lassos can force you to tell the truth and a ring can help you build giant constructs through sheer force of will.

The love rhombicosidodecahedron.

At thot point, I think it's just an orgy

@@mik21ak55 Yup.

A R-R I know. Like the Iron Fists and Iron Warriors track record of avoiding collateral damage. And the BlackTemplars strict adherence to the Codex Astartes. And the Cacaradon's brotherly love. especially towards fellow spess mahreens that undergo minor mutations. I think I've listened to too much Terrible Writting Advice.

Let's be honest, no one really cares about the writing. We just want to fuck shit up with spiky tanks and spiky machine gunners being shot out of spiky tanks so that spiky airships can suicide crash into the spiky tanks after getting shot down by spiky mechs. And also, meltaguns, because meltaguns.

manictiger yes, but even if you want to twirl about as a space pixie killing people with glitter, we've got you you covered. if you like tossin back a few with the boyz while driving monster trukks recklessly, we've got you covered. hell we even have something for ICP fans. every possible iteration of bad writing advice in one setting. like love triangles? Slaanesh is the place, Slaaneshmas is the time. Like shitty emo poetry and wearing all black? You'll be right at home among the Raven Guard. We've got something for everybody at Big Emp's Cliche Emporium. Imperium. What ever. Something for everyone so come on down. Except Mccree, fuck that guy.

To be fair, Warhammer was originally a gag. That said nerds took it so seriously that they got jobs writing for GW and took it UBER SERIOUS.

AtticWarrior1994 was wondering where all the heresy was coming from. seems out of place in high scifi. "c'mon dude, its just a game." "HERESY! BURN THE HERETIC IN FIRE!" *proceeds t pelt people with dice*

*“ 'Bring hope to humanity,' huh? Kinda touching...”* *“There's no need to repeat past tragedies! Nobody else ever needs to go through the things that I have!”* *“It's all right. I... I will always be with Maria.”* *“[That chaos emerald,] I no longer need it. I have Maria in my heart.”* -all lines Edgy The Hedgie has canonically said in Sonic Battle, but nobody ever quotes for some reason.

Do you have diabetes.

Renember when shadow was wll writen? I do

Neku is legit a compelling anti-hero. I also like how he isn't a try hard unlike Shadow the Hedgehog or Akame. He's just kinda a little shit.

Dear God! I know a teenage coworker at work who is literally like this

I like how he changes And that one time where **SPOILERS** He perceives one of the characters as simple minded, but when he finds out it’s actually his favorite artist Cat, it starts a development

They can be all those things and still a good character

@@FreshZCORD yeah, I still love him anyway ಥ◡ಥ

I’m making my anti hero dress in mostly white or pink

I'm making him wear white so that his Armor is seen completely covered in blud once he's done fighting.

Did nothing wrong

Ben Botka Looks like a girl

Ben Botka guts get characterized it's ok

Griffith did noting wrong

Ben Botka ha! But for real...f*ck Griffith

YES!!

That's what I recommended!

Thats a grand idea.

Interesting

Yes!!

Jordan Hamann You're so right. When it's done with thought, it's hilarious but when written into the story lazily it's like nails on chalkboard for me. Ugkhh.

Sorry, you misspelled "the comics industry"

The only example of a character dying and then coming back in comics is (from what I can remember) The Death and Return of Superman and Knightfall (he may as well have died).

Red Hood's death actually meant something, though, so I'm mot really going to count it. Green Lantern, no. When Lantern's die, they give their ring to a new Lantern. Lantern's do stay dead (if they're not revived as a Black Lantern).

He didn't really die, though. He fused with the spectre and came back as Green Lantern later

On the one hand: Resurrecting can make the threat of death meaningless, and will make any drama based on death from then on moot; On the other hand: In a character driven story, killing off a character that could still have interesting stories done with them limits the situations you can put characters in.

The problem with "antiheroes" is that, much like DnD morality charts, its definition is too spread out and subjective.

@Gaming Miser I suppose I didn’t define the original hero archetype well enough. The gold-age comic hero was definitely more Superman than batman. They didn’t struggle with morality, they had no trouble balancing their double lives, they rarely ever had to deal with day-to-day issues like poverty, school or bullying, and they mostly existed to punch whatever hot-button issue the creator thought needed punching. They were more paragons than they were characters. It’s also important to establish that what we associate with “hero” changes over time. Got that? Good. Spider-man was a serious departure from hero tropes of the time, and as such was considered an anti-hero. Nowadays his secret identity struggles are practically the template for comic heroism, but that wasn’t always the case.

@Gaming Miser antihero =\= not hero. Did you watch the video? You might want to watch the video.

@Gaming Miser why are you still hung up on the muscle thing? Did you not read any of my other points? And I referenced the video because I thought she made it clear that it’s less about the textbook definition of hero and more about the qualities any given time or place associated with “normal protagonist”. Your observational skills are highly questionable.

@Gaming Miser OHHH sorry, this is the wrong comment section. For a more informative take I suggest you try overly sarcastic productions’ video. Protagonists follow trends over time like anything else. I’d argue that an antihero isn’t someone who lacks heroic qualities, but who lacks the qualities we ASSOCIATE with heroism. Wolverine’s pretty squarely considered anti-heroic, but he shares the core motives of his fellow x-men and will almost invariably stand up for what he believes is right. The mandalorian is a pretty anti-heroic figure, but he’s shown a drive to care for the child and for others throughout his adventures. It’s not about lacking the qualities that make a hero, it’s about expressing them differently. I think TWA made it clear that an anti-hero isn’t just “protagonist who isn’t a hero”. Anyone can be that. That’s not an anti-hero, that’s just someone who isn’t a hero. It’s about the qualities we ASSOCIATE with heroes. Wolverine falls into the category because he’s gruff, antisocial, not generally an inspiring figure, and has no qualms about violence or killing- all things that didn’t show up in your average x-men era hero, but became rather commonplace in later eras- see the 90s, when everything was named blood. This style change made wolverine that much less of a contradictory figure. Bearing in mind that antiheroes rely on the trappings of their era to distinguish them, and those trappings change with time, I hope you can see where I’m going. Anyway, let me spell it out as clearly as I possibly can. These are the points I am making, if you miss or misinterpret important info one more time I will lose my mind. 1. I believe the dictionary definition does not adequately represent what we as a public do and don’t refer to as antiheroes. 2. Antihero as we colloquially use it seems to be defined by how something compares to the trappings of heroism while still maintaining certain integral qualities that define heroism. 3. These trappings, not being central to the definition of a hero, change over time as society’s heroes change for different eras. 4. Since antiheroism is defined in opposition to these trappings, it too changes over time.

I am glad Kanji Tatsumi is brought up! He is one of my favorite characters too! The poor guy gets teased for being gay, or seen as a weirdo or a creep by girls 😭 all because he is into sewing. Talk about double standards. I do agree that Kanji's character is more three dimentional than any poorly written generic edgy character combined. Underneath the tough and 'manly' attitude, he is just so cute and adorable 😂 and also really funny 😂

John Wick's motive is nominally to avenge his dog.

Better yet: the villain's dog ate the anti-hero's sandwich. Now that's a quest for revenge I would sign up for.

Rest in peace Shigechi

you talking about doom guy from doom 2 xd(his reason for going on a demon slaughter was that they killed his pet bunny)

I'd actually love that

Intergalactic Human Empire ... I'm gonna choose to think this is a joke.

KING FREAKING CRIMSON. Why the fuck are you here?

It is, notice in the beginning of the video it says: Chapter 18?

[Yoshikage_Kira] I'm everywhere.

KING FREAKING CRIMSON. Same brotha

Wuncler Laufenbum Cornelius Ulysses Albrecht LVX He's a loner. He's a mercenary. He's out for revenge and he will cut down anyone who gets in his way. He also knits. He's quite good at knitting.

VauschthePuca Lol, that Demolition Man reference, you almost can't take Stallone's character seriously after that.

If that was a reference, that was completely unintentional. I've never seen Demolition Man.

So out of character bullshit?

Internet Ghost Guts also isn't entirely glorified either. His life SUCKS and he's kind of a shitty dude even to his friends sometimes.

Specific examples?

@@sodaftpm185 1. Just read the entire series 2. After he meets Griffith he decides to give up on revenge and focus on fighting for his and Casca's happiness instead. 3. Towards the end of the golden age arc he has a multiple conversations with the band of the hawk members of him talking about how everyone else has a their own purpose in life but all he is good at is just swinging his sword and surviving. After Griffith gets on with the nobles, Guts separates from the band and goes on a journey to figure out meaning in his life(which is also how he meets the blacksmith who made his sword).

Do your research before typing bullshit.

That's exaggerated/flawed but valid criticism. Do your's as well.

Who else would like an anti-hero like that, but he’s self aware and questions why everything is going his way, then goes insane cause of it

You were described Mary sue not anti hero.

That guy has a personality,motivation and character development, so he isn't that bad.

Smiley the Smile lol your right

Smiley the Smile But only after like 300 chapters lol

Patrick Murphy I haven't watched the anime in a long time,but as I recall,his personality was mostly shown in the first series in some brief scenes.He's supposed to be one of those "stoic" characters. His motivations are pretty clear throughout the series.Mainly because he constantly reminds us about them. And moving from "prick" to "murderous prick" is character development by itself.He doesn't become "murderous prick" just like that,without a reason.

Jedy Zichterman I haven't watched the ending.

john chad john whisper in your ear* KIRITO

xzenitramx666 never mention that god for sakes name again.EVER.

goblin slayer manga, that "wannabe" Berserk crap

@@naosoupatriota9902 Goblinslayer isn't an antihero. Have you even read it?

Cough solo leveling cough

Neil Gallardo no, but resembles him slightly

Meta Knight is pretty good too

@@mittycommitspizzatime92 Both of them are anti-villains.

Wario is better

starnova42 but can he keep up with red?

starnova42 Oh my LORD. Yes. Best idea ever.

sagar chowdhary Yes. But can she keep up with him?

The sarcasm of such a collab would create sarcasm so thick and dense, it would cause a singularity

To quote emperor Palpatine: Do it!

Remember that christmas comic where goes out his way to be a dick to a bunch of orphans after killing their sole benefactor right in front of them all because he was a former mobster? Seriously wtf!

Brodie Crain and that time he literally became a Frankenstein monster

The punisher is POV villian

Or that time he was in archie

Remember how Joss Whedon portrayed him in Runaways?

Sandor Clegane is a pretty good antihero. He manages to check many of the boxes from this video while still being a great character.

Yup, the Hound came to my mind first. Deep, interesting and badass character.

If you think about it a lot of Martin's character have antihero qualities and they are all awesome characters, Jaime, Tyrion, Theon, Stannis, Mance Rayder, Victarion,

Nah, it's perfect. The author of Sword Art Online uses his advice and look how good it is.

Matthew Leman and when did you figure this out, might I ask?

Der Slendy You mean SomethingWitty? The SAO everyone knows is just a bad fanfic didn't you know?

Der Slendy hey... sao was great for 14 episodes

7 episodes.

cough *Death Note* cough

You mean like a Byronic Hero? Someone like Lelouch?

The generic tech wizard guy.

Alex Pierce T E C H N O B A B B L E

Why not have both, like Kirito. He's better than anyone else in the game without ever joining a guild, apparently is physically strong enough after effectively having been in a coma for 2 years to overpower Sughou without having had much time to fully recover, was able to use his mad hacking skills to save Yui despite being a teenager and having no knowledge of the source code, and I could go on.