For sure dude. Marine Corps needs to refocus their priorities. More focus on maturity and independence and less on appearance to the public and higher ups. The dog and pony shows make it so clear that NCOs don't operate with the level of support and self-sufficiency they need.

Being in the Air Force and seeing how Marines get treated and their small ass budget......man oh man.....it's not for everyone.

My time is far gone (2/5, 1955 - 1958) but the problems that plagued good Marines now are the same as way back then, great video brother.

There's BS in every job. I made Sgt. In just over 3 years. In the infantry. If you're not sure if that's good or not, you better ask somebody! Stellar record. Expert rifleman. 1st class PFT. Every. Time. The truth is, to train half the year, deploy every other, and the daily normal BS, 35000 is just not enough cash. Good Marines can excel at just about anything. I'm all for service, but you gotta show me some love at some point! It's a combination of factors. The Corps is awesome, I would suggest everyone give it at least one enlistment, regardless of the pay. But, to retain top talent, you gotta pay. Most really talented people won't take sub-market wages for 20-30 years, especially with the BS. You might keep 1 or 2 but most are gonna pop smoke, hit the exfil and make a stack in the civilian world.

I was very gung ho. Did everything to the best of my abilities and was rewarded for it. Clean record, very high marksmanship scores, etc. A hard ass CPL who was respected by my peers and planned to become a DI. My last year I fell head over in love but not long after was sent to Okinawa and became so involved with her that I decided to get out. I have regretted it ever since. It didn't work out with her and I feel that I kind of threw it all away over it. happens a lot. I'm still extremely proud of what I accomplished and my experience with the Marines has fueled an extraordinary life in the civilian world as a business owner. But I miss it every day. I appreciate your video and wish you the best of luck!!! Hoo rah!!!!

I’m a petty officer in the navy and I will tell you from experience this happens in the navy as well. I always treat my junior Sailors with the leadership and respect they deserve no matter what their rank is.

mass punishment in the military as a whole is a disease. in the navy, I cant tell how many shipmates i see grow so discouraged just to go to muster because theres always gonna be the one not shaved, not in proper uniform or some dumb shit and every other sailor will be 100% squared away and everyone gets punished. seniors just call it “not looking out for your shipmate”. bs for real man.

I do plan on enlisting soon, this does give me more insight and I can’t be more greatful for that. Thank you sir.

“FIRST THANG FIRST YOU KNOW I KEEP IT BLUNT”

I served 8 years and experienced alot of what you've mentioned. Things changed as I promoted and learned to create a more positive environment for my Marines. Even though I planned on making it a career I still applied for other jobs. I landed a government job with much better pay so I got out.

I did 8 years. I UNDERSTAND TOXIC LEADERSHIP 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I got tired of the negativity. Corporals and Sergeants are powerless now. Small unit leadership has been eliminated.

I was a corpsman and went greenside, I got out because my body couldn’t do it anymore. At 25, I had back pain, leg pain, knees were shot, shoulder pain, etc. at 25 you should be in your prime, yet I had the body of a 70 year old so I realized that it was time for me to live the civilian world

They gave me Motrin, water and told me to suck it up. Now, I struggle to walk and work. Sour taste broski.

I got out of the Navy as a Second Class Petty Officer (E-5) about 2 weeks after this video and I can say the bullshit and toxic leaders are my main reason. I had leadership that made me feel like I didnt belong when I was a junior sailor. I made sure when I became a supervisor, that my junior sailors could feel comfortable coming to me with any work or personal issues.

I served 4 years active duty. Served overseas for 3/4 years, I was just ready for a long break lol. Plus I met the woman of my dreams

Rank and leadership are not the same things. I honestly didn't mind the stupid games that came down from the company level, it is what it is, but I did have a squad leader that made my life miserable. He appeared to be highly motivated and squared away, and to some degree he was. When I first hit the fleet, he was super strict on me and a few other new dudes. Being new to the culture I just assumed that he was trying to help us improve by holding us to a higher standard. After a while, I began to realize that he treated some guys in our platoon better than the others. It was so bad it started to divided our platoon because these guys realized that they could get away with more things. Since he wasn't in charge of the entire platoon, most of his bullshit was dumped onto me and a few other guys in the squad. When I became more familiar with the company and was exposed to amazing leaders I realized that my squad leader wasn't even that great, higher just liked him. Towards the end of my first deployment, I got to know my seniors and they hated the guy because he did the same thing to them. He was a bully who used his power to abuse people he didn't like and benefit the people he did like. He was my SL for 2 years before he left the company to become a DI. He wasn't the reason why I got out, but he was the reason why I no longer enjoyed being in.

To be completely honest, the military is a home for the mediocre. Not everyone is mediocre, there are some incredible people serving. But it welcomes institutional compliance, and those who think outside the framework become disenchanted. Then there's the moving, you never get to settle down. It's a real experience for the young,single types. But for most it just doesn't hold it's appeal.

I start terminal leave in 2 weeks and will be receiving an honorable discharge. This video was funny as hell and definitely one of the most accurate I've ever seen. Semper.

What i saw in the Corps during my tenure (93-97) that caused myself and numerous other good Marines to not re-enlist was the fact that the Corps didnt provide any educational opportunities (college) outside of the worthless MCI's we had to complete. I went in when i was 17 and I enjoyed my 4 years as an 03 (B 1/4), there was toxic leadership then, but there is toxic leadership in every career or job, but I really believe that if junior Marines are provided with collegiate opportunities more would re-enlist or cross over becoming a mustang.

I’m joining the Marines in about 4-5 months. Gunna do my 4 years, get out then continue my businesses

It’s hard to believe it even but on this date, September 13, I shipped out to boot camp 19 years ago now! 😳. Time does fly. And yeah, I went to the Island 2 days after 9/11...I enlisted delayed entry thinking I was gonna go in, get some hardcore training, and that’s about it. 😂. Then 9/11 happened and I was like...ok, let’s get some...🤷🏻‍♂️. I was so naive back then, which probably was a good thing honestly. Best times in my life being in the infantry back in the early to mid 2000’s...and some of the worst. That’s for sure. Great channel bro! Just subbed! 👍👍

When I was in and I had wished I had just sucked it up a little more but there’s only so many times you get messed with from a whole mass punishment standpoint that you could withstand. I can say I had a mixture of good and toxic leadership. The more toxic when I first got to the fleet and when I left the fleet and joined firstcivdiv. Couch battalion lol 😂 but I also had my options open to going in the other branches which I did. I joined the regular army for another 2 terms or 8 more years and had to call it quits due to disability retirement

This explains why so many marines are joining my guard unit.... The National Guard's not perfect either. But for the most part we hold our own to an account. The worst thing that's ever happened to me, was a staff sergeant making up SHARP allegations against certain soldiers. He got his in the end.

It’s true, management is the number one reason people quit their job. Good employers make it hard for you to want to leave

I've been a Marine since 1985 and was pissed to see the recent New York Times article on the Marine Corps being racist. Would love for you to do a video on that. Semper Fi!

Sgt spitting facts 👏👏

Although my experience stems from observation and understanding/compassion towards the people I served with, I have my own take as a corpsman serving with the marines for three years. I enlisted in the navy 4 years ago at 18, I went off to Okinawa as soon I finished my training. There is a distinct difference in my culture vs the Marine corps. The main plague spreading in the marine corps is fake confidence and egotism. From the youngest to the oldest marine; I see anger, aggression, no form of empathy towards other people in general and just general carelessness. I have come to a conclusion that this is marine culture; changing the culture will mean changing the marine corps. There are some things that cannot change and I truly believe that the marine corps can change their vision of todays warrior/marine. But it will take good young cats staying in to weed out the the marines who feel they deserve extra respect and justify their action purely on the facts that they have experiences that you didn’t get a chance to even experience. This is it, the people who glorify these “subject matter experts” eventually stay and form their own opinions of themselves in their command. And thus, the cycle of toxicity continues. In contrast, I’ve met some of the greatest men while serving my marines. These marines are humble, have intellectual humility, they are not aggressive, but they are precise and they practice true understanding towards their Marines. These are roughly 5-10% of the good marines who actually stay in to do good, they are the reason I would like to someday wear that officer uniform. The 85%-90% of good marines who do leave; go because no one believed in their ability, I terrible loss for an organization that will probably have a major structure change in the coming century. In this fact will happen, with changing culture and technology advancing. The old marine, will be replaced by the scholar-athlete warrior (probably Air Force if the marine corps doesn’t do it). We must emphasize character and self-reflection for now, to change for the better. Or else, the beloved legacy of each marine who has sacrificed their lives in the past will go to shit along with the organization. Now let me tell you one thing, does the grand old man of the marine corps sound familiar to you? This man did so much for the structure and culture of the marine corps. We might see someone like this again in the near future if it does happen that the marine corps decides to change with the times.

As a veteran, I enjoy your content. As far as this topic, I separated because I couldn't see a PATH forward. It was either take control of the situation at 8 years and minimize the damage or be FORCED out at 13. I made the right choice.

I enlisted in the marines 40 years ago. I see that it still alot of BS. You are exactly right myself and mostly all the marines that was in my platoon on camp lejeune were really good marines but it was the games , hurry up in wait and bs everyday that cause me to do 4years we had good training and travel around the world but I didn't want to play games any longer. I would always thank the marines, I'm now retired federal law enforcement. For those that are joining the marines in the future be prepared mentally and physically they will test you to the limits!! That's my take.

You described the major issue of WHY good Marines aren’t retained. Toxic leadership...and this sticks in my mind to be a part of my decision to leave. I was enlisted from 1986 to 1992; I served during Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Fortunately, I had some good leaders...yet they were PCSed or retired before I could pick their brains. When my mother died on Valentine’s Day 1992, my decision was final and I finished my term. I’m not going to look back at the enlistment as bad... I served HONORABLY! I have a master’s degree to show for it. 😊

Good ole 7th ESB 1st Platoon lmao. I’m glad to see you doing well bro. It’s Terry btw. I’m glad you dropped this shit for the newer generation joining. This shit ain’t gonna always be sweet and you’re gonna run into some realllllllyyyyy just shitty people that just so happen to be Marines. Stay motivated and do what’s best for you.

Sgt. Patterson... straight up as always !... stay strong...stay GUNG-HO.... so many are going to be drawn to you, so maintain your pace & keep delivering the word. I was one of those with the " don't wave the flag at me, cuz I did my time, and was smart enough to get out" attitude. But lo & behold, there I was , after 2 years in the "REAL WORLD" of civilian/ corporate America...with my 2 week notice in my slimy hands. ( had already talked to the recruiter & re-up papers were waiting).... lack of leadership is twice as bad than in the service. But as fate would have it, my transfer to a different title, which DOUBLED my pay , came in that day ! Put up with all the sorry assed "management" and stuck it out. But I was ready to go back. Good luck on The Rock.... do they still confine to barracks during Hiroshima Week ? SEMPER FI

I definitely agree with the toxic leadership bit, I’ve seen too many good marines get out because of leadership. That’s one of the reasons why I’m probably just gonna get out, I’m not for this whole marines are robots crap. I treat everyone like the human beings they are and that’s that.

Dude, I loved all 9 years I spent in the Corps. Wanted to try contacting and I did. This year, I tried to go back in and they weren't taking prior service, so I went Army. Its only been 3 months, but its not bad. There are many of former Marines here as well. It's a change, but there is plenty of opportunity to be had.

I’m in the u.s. army and this is pretty much the same reasons good soldiers get out as well.

Semper fi brother! I got out cause of : -bad leadership -stupid people -I was an nco and I supervised butt hurt soft high school little jitts who would ignore me when I fail them in room inspection or get mad when I correct them or threaten to request mass on me lol 🤦🏽‍♂️ - I saw a lot of false promotions and I worked /Grinded HARD AF to be an nco and was outstandingly good on my job and had received awards for it. Instead then I saw people being promoted after they would catch a DUI/underage drinking or stealing but if I sneezed, I probably would’ve been NJP’d . I also saw some people who were liars/ cheaters/fakes and immature stupid idiots and they got promoted over me just cause I wasn’t a 300 PT God like them and they weren’t even good at their job and not even a great person too . My staff NCO’ gave couple marines answers and set up a meritiourous board for them to win according as planned and even helped them get promoted. While I had the odds against me and I had no one babying me either.But it turns out, the marine wasn’t good at his job and got sent away. The marine corps is false, full of bs and you gotta suck the chain of commands d*** to make it and it’s corrupt. I went in joining for the right reasons and to serve and to experience a combat deployment but I spent time training for something that never happened and went through a lot of room inspections and sitting around waiting and doing other people’s job. Luckily I did some college while I was in and took advantage of it. I think it’s funny signing that stupid page 11 saying to never talk trash about the marine corps, that’s how bad the marine corps gotten and it’s funny to desperately see them to protect their image when it’s just all gone to the drain, all cause of bad stupid people in the branch that mess it up . But the marine corps use to be good back in early 2000s... I got out bitter honestly . Marine corps is just a good stepping stone and a way to grow up and a quick stop to something you really waana do something in the future. Military is only good for that reason. But, now I’m here pursuing to be a firefighter paramedic and I finished Emt school so I have a better path now and I’m excited as hell for fire academy. And I’m glad to be out of slavery!

I am Sgt Campbell and am currently stationed in Okinawa Japan. And you hit it right on. There are so many good marines that get out for the reasons you spoke!

Its the same issue in all the branches. Leadership is what makes or breaks Morale in a Unit. But shout out to all the Marines especially the good ones.

Best ways to survive the Marine Corps is to save money and never forget the reason you joined Conduct yourself everyday like a Marine.

I agree 100 % that's why I got out on my 1st enlistment. I was Gung ho going into the Marine Corps. I went in 1987. At least I served Honorably and went on to because a police officer and retired after 20 years of police service. I do miss the Marines but like you said that toxic leadership and mass punishment.

Your real man. Probably one the straightfoward marines youtuber.

I had some issues with the USMC when I first got out. But, the big picture is that I had other plans for my life. Now I am thinking about coming back to the USMC as an officer. A part of me doesn't want to come back because of the betrayal experienced so many years ago. But, I know that I joined the USMC originally because I wanted that inner pride and I got it.

I served in 1/11 HQ Battery (2531/0861) back in '95-'99 and had a 1st Sgt that decided to open an investigation on me a week before I EAS'd from an Op 2 years prior with the Army developing the AFATDS system. He was yanking my orders to keep me in Pulgas for another 4 years. Luckily my buddy was the Personnel Chief and called me to let me know. At that time I came in and did my final checkout after cancelling my reenlistment package. When I spoke with the Battery CO at the end, I told him that I knew what he and the 1st Sgt were doing and for that reason alone I wouldn't be reenlisting. He was definitely surprised that I knew and apologized and asked if there was anything that he could do to change my mind. I told him that I gave everything that I had to the Corps, but for them to screw me over like that that I would be getting out instead.

When I was there, all I saw was BS. However a couple decades later, I wish I stayed in and one of my only regrets not doing so. Thanks for the video and you are right, they should motivate people to re-enlist.

I think back and remember how staff NCOs were still in their dam 20s, still kids themselves. And many of them had rank but had no leadership skills.

Because the Marine Corps was such an utter disappointment after Marine Corps boot camp. I did four years in the Marines, but I would have gladly gotten out after two if they would have let me.

there is BS in every job.

SGT Patterson is definitely being real. I'm in the Army and those are the same things that happen in this branch. One of the biggest things I've seen personally is toxic leadership will see a soldier who is squared away and putting in work. Then give out awards and 3 or 4 days to soldiers that don't deserve it or weren't working as hard as that soldier. I still recommend the military to anyone because it'll open up doors for you, it's definitely not all sunshine though

I was a 6212 Av8b engine mechanic, I served 1997 - 2003. I got out for a few reasons. 1, under appreciated in my squadron for the things I did, watching a S1 clerk get a NAM for Leave Chits while other marines saved lives by ensuring the aircraft was safe for flight got nothing makes you reconsider your life choice.

I'm counting down the days until I get out of the service. Dealt with the most toxic leadership when I was deployed. When I was deployed I thought to myself, is this the culture of the military? if this is it than I want no part of it.. felt like I was more worried about my leadership trying to sabotage my career than the actual enemy. There is no way anybody can convince me to reinlist.

Still serving about to do 2 more years now for job security mainly but also to help new younger marines develop good leadership traits and to teach new marines getting to the fleet and how to help stop the BS and toxic leadership where it is possible to stop.

If i pass my ist tmw is ship the 21st🤟🏻 thanks for all the advice and shit ive been watching for a few months man

I was a Tier 1 Marine and ready to reenlist, but my leadership was so keen to screw me over, that I just had it and pulled back package and decided to get out about 6 months my enlistment was over. I got promoted meritoriously, got crap tone of awards, won Marine of The Year in my unit even at one point (got a NAM before getting promoted). I loved and still love the Marine Corps, but my leadership just didn't like my forward thinking and adapting to new technology. 300 PFT, 300 CFT, Sharpshooter Rifle Score, Swim Qual 1, Great Knowledge scores. All these crap doesn't matter if you don't suck up to the Leadership that has no clue what the heck is happening in the industry of field of work in the civilian world. And funny thing, they just adapted the crap I was proposing 6-12 months after I got out. Waste of time and I'm glad I did get out when I did, but I miss my brothers and sisters every f'ing day.

I did my four years and got out cause they didn’t give a fuck about what I wanted to do. I wanted to do msg but said I had to extend a year and a half just to hear back about a school date lol. I was like nah fam l ain’t about that life

Good video. I did 8 + years in the Corps and loved it...most times. 93 to 01. Eas ended 8/24/2001. First 4 I was part of 7th mtbn and did 2 west pac with lucky 13 th Meu, that included UN withdrawal in Somalia. Saw many things in many places. To this day I still hold these deployments and the people I met and served with in high regards. Second term wasn't as adventurous. 4 years in 3rd maw in HMLA .....go Vipers....as I got a little older I made it to alot of Yuma and a deployment to Futenma Airbase. 1 thing I learned was keep your nose clean and do your job. Was I an angel..no..not looking to burn everybody helped. Not to say it didn't happen but sometimes giving Marines multiple chances when they were not try to do right caused issues. If you WANT to be among the best, that same effort have to given. Once again great video.

There's BS in every job. Once they get out, they realize that. The Corps is not designed to for everyone to reenlist. I agree with your thoughts on mass punishment, though it is a useful team building tool in boot camp. Change what you can in your unit. That's all you can do.

love your vids bro, makes me laugh w a sense of reality

I've been Active Duty in the Marine Corps for almost 7 years now I'm still a Corporal and I have never been in trouble, never failed a PFT or a CFT, always qualified with my Rifle. And my dedication was always known, but it was always sn excuse to fuck me over. 6:55 to 7:15 I can relate

My recruiter straight up told me not to trust the leadership just because they have the rank

Thank you making this. I'm still joining the Marines Corp when I grow up because I truly think the pros outweigh the cons.

One thing people don’t talk about enough from all the branches is the game of chance for your duty station and chain of command. It can be a total crapshoot. You can have the same MOS at one command or another and have a different experience. Granted I swerved in the Navy, but almost every person in my chain of command during time in was about to retire or transfer and had short timers syndrome (to be fair they were all getting high paying jobs when they got out hence the rotation). Meanwhile, a couple more divisions in my department had many mustang officers, thus a lot of people I served with recently retired as officers.

Everything that you said is EXACTLY why I got out and that was in 2001! Nothing has changed.

Get ya juice cup too with the coffee cup .. on the breakfast tray

Toxic leadership is in every branch, but I feel like it would be a lot harder in the Marine Corps to run away from a bad assignment and find a better one.

Never worked anywhere without BS that I did not agree with. Guess I was lucky......I outlasted all of the perpetrators. 20 yrs USMC ( finished in the reserves), 30 yrs metro police, farmer, factory worker, home handyman. Retired and happy. NEVER GIVE UP ON YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!

The McDonald's analogy is spot on except for the part of mass punishment...

This is a great insight and analysis. Unfortunately Marine Corp leadership will not and don’t want to recognize and fix it. They are happy with the high turn over. Oh oh oh…Mass punishment does NOT fix the issue. Cheers on this video.

Spot on.. great job putting this out there for aspiring personnel

They are getting out because the benefits getting are huge. They pay tuition and even pay Marines to go to college. That's huge, they gave nothing when we got out in the 80's. I am glad thay get more today, Marines deserve it.

When the best personnel get out because of leadership issues, then it leaves the worst to become future leaders. To add to the problem, you can probably make double on the outside if you have skills. I'd think that in a situation like this, there would be opportunity for advancement due to lack of competition. They can't get senior members out of thin air.

I'm SO happy. With seven months left, I learned that my peers are cheating and lairs. My NCO doesn't care about anyone, and they don't teach anything; they are just lazy, plus they have their favorite. There is no integrity, just cheating. At the end of my first contract, I will have a college degree. I do the right decision daily, but I have nothing; ignore the new guys in my shop. I hate my unit and my base. I tell anyone who wants to join USMC, but I tell them no, please listen to me.

I joined because I didn’t know what I wanted to do. Definitely not go to college. Ended up reenlisting because I was dumb and didn’t have a plan to get out. . Less than a month after my reenlistment, I got NJPd for some bullshit. I of course recovered and got my rank back. Even became one of those hard chargers that goes above and beyond anywhere and everywhere I can. Now I’m getting all the training, certificates, apprenticeships and even my degree to ensure I’m good to go when I get the fxck out of here.

No cap you the realist Marine out here.

(I apologize for the length its neither complaining or contradictory to what the man said) Ive learned when I was in, the Marine Corps and leadership (Sgts and above)say they want leaders but they actually want you to be yes men. The main issue stems from this which is once you suggest a better idea or even ask questions (mind you this is in garrison not in the field or combat)it can be viewed as disrespect or a challenge of authority. You're viewed as a s*** bag and get a bad rep with higher ups. I saw myself and many others just keep our heads down and just go with the motions. We all counted down the days until EAS, because even if we made it to NCO you were still a child to the leadership no matter if you were first tier, third tier or in between. Its an observation I made and many of my fellow Marines made. But the crazy thing is they will then get mad at you because they want you to stay in even though they talk down to you. You can never win man. Most guys I see who stay in either are super motivated (which is rare)or have families and want that stable income and benefits (which I dont blame them) its a game but I will say wether your four years are great or just terrible we are all glad we did it because you still learn on what to do and what not to do as a man and a leader. (Sorry for the essay but I thought id put my two cents in 😅)

I find the group punishment as actually beneficial because when it comes time for serious stuff like war, times are gonna be sooo hard that even the toughest people will stumble and if someone in the team is a hindrance for others they may be the cause of the squad’s downfall. Most people in the military are still quite soft and don’t realize training doesn’t make you a soldier yet but only when you’ve been to war. War is a very serious thing and it changes people’s view on the world entirely. The truth is, Marines and many branches of the army are unaware of this reality and only then realize the military’s values and teachings when they get into a life or death situation. Obviously you can’t blame younger people for not experiencing war but you ought to be most humble to all your superiors because when sh!5 hits the fan (war) you’re gonna need their help and even though you might’ve been treated badly by your superiors or squad members you guys are gonna have to work as one to defeat the enemy. That’s what separates American soldiers from any other country, the value for which we stand. That’s why the emphasis on the team and doing things as a team is so important and why group punishment goes a long way. All the military does is test your character and to be honest the people that leave are usually just not built for it. Joining the military sets you up to go to war, gives you the knowledge and reenactment of war. I feel that many young men need to consider joining the army because many people in modern society don’t have that discipline at all. There are still adults out here that act like total children and can’t get their lives straight. The military (Any branch) will certainly give you a basis to build from whereas civilian life there isn’t really any moral basis whatsoever other than going to school (HS and college) to get a job. Freedom is misused because everybody thinks they can just do whatever they want, and when they join the army their fragile ego gets hurt because there they CAN’T do whatsoever they want and because society have instilled you with the idea you are a useless piece of crap, you believe it and hold yourself up to that standard. A piece of crap.

Sadly those most skilled leave and go into the private sector----and those not so skilled tend to stay in. Not sure that will ever change.

I plan on enlisting next year. I’ve heard a lot of shit from guys that’s been in and would’ve stayed in but the bull shit out weighed the good. I personally wanna do at least four years, I’m 27 and I believe I can get by some of that bs that.

I joined twice. First time in right after 9/11 never set foot in the states. Grew up overseas everything I learned to be proud to be American came from my dad. I broke my arm in boot camp. They discharged me. I came back in 2006 got out in 2013. Served with 3/5 my whole career, last tour of duty my battalion was badly mauled, lost a lot of good Marines, we came back and it felt like the corp gave zero shits about us. Like many I had a bad tbi and PTSD. The corp in their wisdom sent me to recruiting duty instead to tbi treatment. I could barely think straight yet they wanted me to talk kids into joining. My doctor said I needed serious treatment or I will be medically retired, my co said if I go get treatment for my tbi and not recruit I will be Ninja punched and court martialed. The doctor med sepped me. Said he couldn't have another marine die from suicide because the corp didn't care about wounded Marines.

I’m so happy that this issue isn’t just a recent thing, knowing that the BS has been spewing around since the old days.

The cold hard truth.

The ‘hurry up and wait’ is a deeply ingrained military trait common to most of the services I think. The mass punishment seems to be unique to the Marines. Yeah we faced mass punishment in Army boot camp back in ‘85, but not after we went on to our permanent duty stations. If, we screwed up, we faced the consequences for our own actions. Anyway, appreciated hearing your perspective as a Marine.

My time was Nov 04 2003 - Dec 02 2011. I only stayed for the reenlistment bonus, the Corps was not one bit like what many people portray it as, youre 110% accurate.

If your not a drill instructor don’t act like one. I hated that in the fleet just because you out rank me doesn’t mean you can talk to me like a recruit

Great words of wisdom. "the grass isnt always greener on the other side" STAY IN!!!!!! Everything you said is true. I got out because of shitbag/dickhead NCO's that brought our morale down. 1 was enough imagine having 2 in your platoon. I also hung out with the wrong crowd. The ones that just wanted to do their 1st enlistment and get out. you can say that their mindset rubbed into to me. Had I stayed I would've done MSG duty or MEU route instead of recruiter or DI route.

In my honest opinion, It depends on what their first duty station is and whether they have unsat/weak/no backbone leadership, then that will be a huge determining factor on whether they stay in or not. I retired 18 years ago so I wouldn't even know how things are now with all this BS going on. My first duty station I had weak NCO's who had no business leading anything or anyone but I decided to stick it out, 20 years later, no regrets. Suffice it to say, the Marines is not for everyone.

USMC hates its grunts and POGs are the new corps

Good video. I've been in the Marines for over a year. A year and a few months or so. So I'm about a little over 25% done with my contract so yes I'm pretty new still. Wanna say I've been in the fleet for almost 8 months now. That said, I can already tell I'm not reenlisting. I'm not gonna say any trash here but I'll put it this way, I don't particularly agree with how my NCO'S handle me and my co-workers and even treat us. I also can't stand my MOS. Maybe if I had a different MOS I would feel different. Cuz all I do is walk into work everyday trying to have the most positive attitude and try to have the most polite mindset and it's almost always still a bad day. I'm just not enjoying it. I think another big reason Marines get out is because they want to be back where they're from. I'm personally like that. I want to go back home to my city and do my own thing. I'm proud to be a Marine and serve but I honestly can't wait for my EAS date if that makes sense.

In the fleet, its the bullshit mass punishment that gets to me. Someone fucking up and then we are all told over and over again how we are all fucking garbage marines. The worst is when a “senior Lcpl” fucks up but its still our fault so we have to chinese field day our rooms every week.

Yeah thats sad but true. I did 25 in the Navy and swore i would always treat my people good and i did. But i understand what your saying treatment doesnt need to be made on a 247 year history, and a great leader takes his people puts them under their wing and groom them for sucess. Also you should praise in public punish in private. The marine corp does not know how yo yreat people other than this is how they taught me how to treat people so this is how i treat you. Very backwards. And i think the piint you made about maturity is spot on. If you allow tour people to make critical thibking decisions instead of i say you do tour less likely to have bare minimumal players. Thanks for toutr service.

What I really respect about the Marine Corps is the standard Officers are held to (or they hold themselves to). I’ve never seen a fat Marine Officer. No matter what MOS or age, Marine Officers never have an excuse to even get a little chubby.

I'm dealing with guilt of going UA to this day - The day my company Gunnery Sergeant during my check-in in the Reserves told me to not bring my motivated Active Duty (did 4 years active) attitude to the unit, that "we're different here", my UA timer began to tick after 10 years. I was slated to get promoted to Staff Sergeant this past January but I literally couldn't do it anymore 6 months before the end of my re-up contract. What's even a worst reality is that the Marine Corps does not care about you if you're not in uniform. Its like it doesn't even exist. There's no feeling of family or anything except for maybe the 03's amongst their own.

-Toxic Leadership -Fuck Fuck Games -Mass Punishment -Hurry up & wait games -Endless Cleaning Details -No control over your life. Main reasons why I'm getting out, just need to survive 2 more years & I'm out! Army is equally, if not worse than the marines. Everything said in this video is facts!

Toxic leadership was the reason I left myself... I proudly served and learned what I needed to learn and then went out in civi life and started following dreams. It was an overall great experience concerning the Marines to my left and my right but the games that were played with our free time was crucial... snatching 96’s for dust under the base of the window sill type stuff... playing with your promotions... racism has occurred...the I had to stand lock and cocked while a known racist superior screamed and spit in my face was the final straw for me. On top of the death aspect, I had to roll...

I've come across a lot of former Marines here in the Army. The Army has a lot of the same problems, so I wonder why these guys would willingly come over.

You forgot to mention that at times we act like kids to stay sane and to keep our moral at a decent level because the beatings will continue

Good video, great comments. If you're coming in, Great! Have a blast, do the shortest enlistment you can for the MOS you want, as a sample for your future. If you are looking to reup, look at who you are and who your family is. If you have a wife and kids, chances are you need to get out for so many reasons, not the least is money and don't let someone call you a merc for that. Next time someone "thanks" you for your service tell them to call their representative and get current Marines a damned raise instead of thanking you. None of us do it to be thanked, and if we could have a future and a family we would still be doing it. TLDR 91-97 got out as a Sergeant. I was air wing, so things were a lot different than many of you ground pounders. Still, looking at the MC after 6 years on active I didn't see anything better in the future. I had a family and we were under the poverty line and on food stamps. I couldn't work an extra job or get any college course, we were always undermanned. (WARNING: Never "expect" one of those helicopters to "stay" in the "air") I looked to those who were in longer than me, some on their last enlistment and they were doing the same thing I was at the end of my first tour. So I didn't see any compelling reason to hang around and watch my kids go to crappy schools in neighborhoods that were constantly under gun fire by the local hoodlums. I loved my job, and I was good at it. I kept my Marines (and even sailors) away from most of the BS that flowed from on high. Which is how I envisioned all Sergeants work, the higher you get the more you've gotta count on the lower NCOs to cushion the blow. So I suppose the reason I got out had more to do with my future than what was happening in the moment. There was a clear and widening gap between doing my job and being a Marine. The two were mutually exclusive at points. Those are jet engines powering those old (oh so very old) whirly birds. You gotta be able to think and move, at the same time. That doesn't work so well when you've had to play fuk fuk games at the barracks, or preparing for some other inspection the SgtMaj wanted. So I saw the new guys/gals come in and split into good techs or good Marines. The techs, like me, left. While the good Marines stayed. Some would call this good, however those good Marines were not good techs. Once they got some rank some would fly off and do great Marine things (DIs and the like) while many just became overhead. So they made the Marine stuff that much (greener?) which only made that division worse as the generations came in. I could only watch it for 6 years before I left, but as a system it wasn't great. When I joined I wasn't even aware of the JROTC options that still exist. I would definitely NOT gone is as enlisted. This whole ideal that Es and Os are different is ludicrous 30 years ago. Yet they made sure that one side worshipped the Os. But hey we were the "backbone", always a good indication that things could be better for you if you're referred to as the "backbone". Someone else mentioned tradition is what will ultimately kill the MC, and there's a lot of truth to that. I'm amazed at all the new gear you've got now, but there are some baked in problems with the military across the board that need to be rethought. This includes that empty space so many of us felt after we left, that need to be working for something greater. I don't want to work for a paycheck, I want to work for the cause, but I gotta feed the kids first.

21 plan on doing 4 years and leaving

Yup, yup, and yup, a thousand times this!!!!

8th ESB, Support Company 2002-2006. I got out, due to experiencing my peers mentality was do as I say, not as I do. I will follow my peers directions, however if you fail to set the example but expect others to follow you... It becomes a dictatorship...

I remember we thought no one could make you “do more then 4 years” then they introduced us to the “Stop Loss Clause” of the contract