Atheist Vs Christian: Do Ethics Depend On God?

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We are very excited to bring you this newest epic video from Apologia Studios! Jeff Durbin and Dr. James White debated Dr. Deen Chattergee and Jared Anderson at the University of Utah on the topic, "Do ethics depend on God?" Chattergee and Anderson have variously identified as Athiest, Humanist, and Agnostic. This is the full debate! Be sure to let someone know! The debate is an excellent thing to experience. Tell someone about it and share!
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@swissapologetics Жыл бұрын

I grew up as an atheist. As a teenager, I fell in love with the books of Friedrich Nietzsche. In a very short time I understood, that if there is no God, there also is no true morality. Just human-made empty ideals. This debate was very hard to listen too. The atheists were so naive, inconsequent and childish in their worldview and their argumentation... but they felt so smart at the same time. We call it Fremdschämen in the german language... thats what it was like for me to listen to these guys. 4 yeas ago, I became born again and a believer in our great God, Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And now I know, there is a real good and evil in this world.

@rosealexander9007 Жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏

@UgliestManOnEarth-69 Жыл бұрын

There is no true or objective morality. That’s just a fact.

@kalestanforde Жыл бұрын

Is your Omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God morally good? Then why does he let bad things happen to people you consider good and good to people who are considered bad? Your government follows the same principals as God. They let innocent people go to jail and allow the rich and powerful to go free of punishment. Do you think it is morally good to stop a man from raping a child if you passed in an alley? If you see a blind man about to cross the street, and a car approaching, is it morally good to stop him from crossing? If you say yes to these questions, then you and your god do not share the same set of morals because God lets these things happen all the time even though he is all powerful all-knowing and all present.

@charliegranberry2594 Жыл бұрын

Amen

@jcdefeats Жыл бұрын

Wow, what an awesome testimony! 🥰

@akeenamateur7844 Жыл бұрын

To quote Johnny Cash: 'They say they want God's Kingdom, but they don't want God in it.'

@jasonbourne5142 Ай бұрын

That would include him being he was an adulterer

@OurSavior-xr3yc 27 күн бұрын

What you're missing is that is true, but you see, we're all sinners now. I won't speak for Johnny Cash. Or forgot because I can't both because I'm not God. Second I don't know Johnny Cash's heart before he died. I have no idea if he repented of his adultery. I have no idea if he repented of anything he did. I was surely dead, but assuming it's not the same as knowing. We are not God. We can judge the actions but not the heart, so you don't know that he won't be in the Kingdom. When Christ raises people on the last day, you don't know.@@jasonbourne5142

@davidrogers3920 Жыл бұрын

Debate outline with timestamps: 00:01:01 Debate intro by Pastor Jason Wallace 00:02:50 Speaker intros for the negative: Dr Dean Chatterjee & Chaplain Jared Anderson: 00:04:00 Speaker intros for the positive: Dr James White & Pastor Jeff Durbin 00:05:14 Debate question & structure: 00:07:42 Opening Statement for the affirmative by Dr James White: 00:14:38 Opening Statement for the affirmative (continued) by Pastor Jeff Durbin 00:27:10 Opening Statement for the negative side by Dr Dean Chatterjee 00:39:47 Opening Statement for the negative side (continued) by Chaplain Jared Anderson 00:49:34 Ten Minute Rebuttal from the affirmative: Dr James White 00:54:10 Ten Minute Rebuttal from the affirmative (continued): Pastor Jeff Durbin 01:00:08 Ten Minute Rebuttal from the negative: Dr Dean Chatterjee 01:09:06 Ten Minute Rebuttal from the negative (continued): Chaplain Jared Anderson 01:12:12 Twenty minute cross-examination from the affirmative side to the negative side: 01:32:40 Twenty minute cross-examination from the negative side to the affirmative side: 01:54:28 Closing statements of five minutes for the affirmative side: Pastor Jeff Durbin 01:59:39 Closing statements of five minutes for the negative side: Dr Dean Chatterjee 02:00:53 Closing statements of five minutes for the negative side (continued): Chaplain Jared Anderson 02:02:04 Questions from the audience - how they will be answered: 02:02:50 Question from the audience for the negative side: How do you explain the empty tomb? 02:04:31 Response from the positive side to the answer given by the negative side to the question, 'How do you explain the empty tomb?' 02:05:05 Question from the audience for the affirmative side: 'How do you respond to the charge that what you're offering is simply circular reasoning? You're assuming your conclusion.' 02:06:28 Response from the negative side to the answer given by the positive side, 'How do you respond to the charge that what you're offering is simply circular reasoning?' 02:06:58 Question from the audience for the negative side: We have a question from someone with cerebral palsy. He is in a wheelchair. His question is essentially, 'If society determines that he is a burden on society, and he should be removed from that society, does he have a right to say that society is wrong to kill him?' 2:07:53 Response from the positive side to the negative side's answer to the question, 'If society determines that he is a burden on society, and he should be removed from that society, does he have a right to say that society is wrong to kill him?' 02:08:57 Question for the affirmative from the audience: 'Why are most wars done in the name of God? (and they included the wars by Stalin, Hitler and other leaders of genocide as well) Why would God require man to do this when the scriptures say to not be violent? Jesus preached 'Peace, peace.'' 02:10:15 Response by the negative side to the answer given by the positive side's question, 'Why are most wars done in the name of God?' etc 02:13:20 Response by Dr Dean Chatterjee:

@jbazile6873 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to make this, David!

@GreatAkudo Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!!

@ckokomo808 Жыл бұрын

Legend. Thank you!

@jpmcpinning4255 Жыл бұрын

Wow… good job. If only all debate comments could be graced with your skills. Its a marketable idea I’m sure of it.

@JeffreySallies 9 ай бұрын

🐐

@ronaldgogan3437 Жыл бұрын

I grew up atheist/agnostic, was saved sophmore year of college. Thank God He saved me from such a baseless and hopeless understanding of all things.

@andyayala5639 Жыл бұрын

Amen my friend

@anti-christ.666 Жыл бұрын

The part that's sad is that you needed someone else to provide your life with meaning with no regard as to whether it was true. Enjoy your fantasy!

@ronaldgogan3437 Жыл бұрын

@Anti-Equity if there is no God why value truth?

@anti-christ.666 Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldgogan3437 Finding truth has never been about god. In fact god has just been the answer because men didn't have the capability of finding other answers. So because we don't know that just means god did it. That's not truth!

@UgliestManOnEarth-69 Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldgogan3437 that doesn’t make any sense. God isn’t required to determine truth. Epistemology is.

@noahmcoyle Жыл бұрын

I feel like a little kid waiting for a new episode of his favorite cartoon to release😂🔥

@kalh.1292 Жыл бұрын

I've been refreshing KZfaq all day until now I see it is set for 5pm lol!

@joys.6347 Жыл бұрын

@@kalh.1292 Same. I thought it would be out a lot sooner.

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

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@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. - Jeremiah 29:13

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16

@banemaler Жыл бұрын

"Pastor Durbin, you sound like a broken album." Praise God! Never stop preaching the truth.

@vaness77able Жыл бұрын

He can know for sure he won't forget the gospel. May God have mercy.

@ZekeMagnar Жыл бұрын

“We’re not here to fight." Yet he was the only aggressive person on the panel.

@ZekeMagnar Жыл бұрын

Though neither of them really seemed to understand why their worldview was completely bankrupt and devoid of any absolute truth, I'd say that Dr. Chattergee *_by far_* was not even qualified to be on the panel.

@vaness77able Жыл бұрын

@@ZekeMagnar I really feel compassion for him. Let's hope God grants him repentance.

@paulajames6149 Жыл бұрын

Those were “fighting”words!

@jonathancrocker366 Жыл бұрын

Jeff Durbin and James White compliment each other very well in these 2 on 2 debates.... I love it!

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 8 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@MJS-PS144 Жыл бұрын

"Mr. Durbin, you sound like a broken album!" Yeah it's almost like he has a consistent worldview! 😂

@BibleLovingLutheran Жыл бұрын

I think he would agree that he’s broken, we all are.

@jamichealruiz Жыл бұрын

@@BibleLovingLutheran not me

@observingcat9049 Жыл бұрын

@@jamichealruiz yes you

@vivi-rf2lk 10 ай бұрын

No he doesn't

@Sermonator9000 9 ай бұрын

@@vivi-rf2lkHow is his worldview inconsistent?

@acordu Жыл бұрын

I always learn so so much humility from Jeff. Gentle but firm and strong.

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

He is anything but humble or full of humility. When I was a Christian I would have been sad at his cocky approach.

@acordu Жыл бұрын

@@LyingForJesusOrg "when i was a Christian" is the new -- When I was a Woman.

@nicromano7603 Жыл бұрын

I know right! I hope one day I can get there.#Christiangoals

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

@@markxivlxii1390 So do ignoramuses.

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

@@acordu Dumb.

@juliaklein9217 Жыл бұрын

I don't think Dr. Chatergee has ever questioned or even looked at his own presuppositions.

@billbeen9350 Жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I got out of it. Seems like he’s spent a career having his hollow musings nodded-at by easily-impressed dinner party guests.

@chickensouplover516 Жыл бұрын

His arguments were Reddit midwit tier

@lalotorres4614 Жыл бұрын

He obviously has no merit, no experience, and no MORALS. This man’s face is stuck in a book and has no credible relations with humanity; where he also claims to get his ethical basis. He’s miserable is all he is.

@joelebert9767 Жыл бұрын

@The Bannered Mare That's rather unkind. Are these two not fellow men?

@joelebert9767 Жыл бұрын

@@thebanneredmare9190 He's a man to pray for and not just an opponent to crush.

@Johnnie_be_Wretched Жыл бұрын

The negative side didn't give one good argument whatsoever. Even their closing statements weren't good. The guy was right when he got up and said, "We failed...". Yes, you did. Jeff and James did awesome.

@BeruntoBsy Күн бұрын

This shows that you did not understand anything that Anderson said and you don´t care to. Here is a simple example: If you would ask most Christians today if Slavery, any form of it, is bad then most Christians would say it is bad even though the Bible never once condemns Slavery, it even has verses regulating it. We know that most Christians were okay with it at some point. This means that Christians figured out that Slavery is bad without their God or their Bible directly telling them. There are many exmaples such as this and the asnwer is that Christians are part of the cultural conversation. Of course, the burden of proof that a God exists at all hasn´t been met yet, so Durbin and White just used circular reasoning.

@soapboxtheology Жыл бұрын

People get annoyed when you bring in the light of the Gospel. Good job Apologia!

@robbiebobbie2011 4 ай бұрын

It’s not the gospel that is annoying it’s the “I have a book and it is evidence for the claims in the book and I can tell everyone how to live their lives by the way I interpret it” that what’s annoying not the claims in that book

@jordansmith7895 Жыл бұрын

“We should not live by a dogma” Is that a dogma? 🤔🤣

@samuelcollier3350 Жыл бұрын

Dude said “Jesus was slipped in, I think he’ll forgive us” with a smirk. I’m weakkk 😂😂😂 bruh talking to nobody but God

@ybh8ful Жыл бұрын

@@samuelcollier3350 and earlier said Jesus was dead. ('rolling in his grave') The AUDACITY!

@Becca_Lynn Жыл бұрын

Hehe 🤭

@curious1053 Жыл бұрын

To a fool yes, that’s dogma.

@Oleg_K. Жыл бұрын

Well, in principle, going by the way it's phrased and what is conveyed, it is not dogma. Dogma implies something layed out by an authority figure that cannot be called into question, ever, because it is true. I'd say that this statement can be questioned in most ways without that constituting a transgression.

@bjellier Жыл бұрын

Poor Dr. Chattergee. His frustration with having his position challenged is very obvious. When you have no standard, it is clearly annoying to have your assumptions challenged. Well done, Jeff and James on upholding the standard.

@RustyWalker Жыл бұрын

Except that's not the debate question. The debate question is "do ethics depend on God." For this to be answered, the pro-God side have to show that there is a God, not presuppose it like they always do, *AND* show that ethics emanate from God. It could be the case that even if God exists, ethics are their own animal and He is not responsible for them.

@TheJpgr1958 Жыл бұрын

@@RustyWalker For someone who probably does not believe in absolutes of any kind, you sure do make a lot of absolute truth claims in your comment.

@oxtailsoup6493 Жыл бұрын

@@RustyWalker Presupposing God because the opposite (God doesn’t exist) is absurd, is a proof. It’s called a transcendental argument and when talking about something that can’t be empirically proven, proving the opposite of its existence to be absurd is a proof. In fact, it’s one of the strongest proofs, even stronger than empirical proof.

@matthewmanucci Жыл бұрын

@Rusty Walker this is false, and a common misconception of modern atheism that shows at best, that they are ignorant of the classical rules of debate, and at worst, that they are likewise ignorant of basic logic. I recommend the channel "Wise Disciple" to sharpen your understanding of public discourse.

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

@@oxtailsoup6493 Why can't it be empirically proven? Or are you merely making an excuse for it not being able to be proven? Also, "A god exists" is a declaration. The burden of proof is on the one that declares not denies. We practice this logic in court daily.

@Levij83 Жыл бұрын

This debate was amazing! Pastor Jeff and Dr. White are so faithful to the scriptures and to spreading the gospel! You can really see the opposing side’s sand castles being demolished by the waves of scripture. They have absolutely no solid ground to stand on! Thanks Apologia for this!

@LuciferAlmighty Жыл бұрын

How so?

@booglywoogly566 9 ай бұрын

I mean did you watch the debate first off Mr guy who named his account lucifer for some reason

@gilliganwilliams1993 6 ай бұрын

They have no solid ground to stand on other then sanity 😅 if you need a higher power to keep you from murdering people then you need to see a sociologist.

@juilianbautista4067 4 ай бұрын

@@LuciferAlmighty the opposing side kind of (not only kind of, but actually fully admitted lol) that he has no absolute basis by which to call anything right or wrong lol. Asking "how so?" doesn't make you look high and mighty. It only makes it look like you have poor comprehension and quite possibly a short attention span 😛

@LuciferAlmighty 4 ай бұрын

@@juilianbautista4067 how so??

@scottsponaas Жыл бұрын

Special pleading alert: (1:01:16) Atheist: Some Christians have been responsible for terrible evils throughout history, therefor we can lump all Christians into this category and conclude that Christianity is not a good moral foundation. Also atheist: They are trying to lump all atheists into the same category when they appeal to the atrocities committed by Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot, and that isn’t fair. Doesn’t need to be that way. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@Nicole-ky7ye Жыл бұрын

You're just a Christian supremacist, lol.

@deaconblooze1 Жыл бұрын

"Thank you Pastor Durbin for using your time arguing a version of our side." Well, somebody had to.

@countbless3360 Жыл бұрын

"Why always point to the worst of what atheists did?" Because that is usually where it gets to. Always.

@JuhoPurola Жыл бұрын

@@countbless3360 Ok, so pointing out the endless religious atrocities is a fair point in any debate against religious believers. Gotcha.

@scottyyoch3537 Жыл бұрын

@@JuhoPurola Absolutely! The problem? The secular worldview did much worse in a much shorter time The entirety of the Spanish inquisition, 2 centuries of the highest form of religious persecution? Killed less than 100,000 Stalin did that in a month, multiple times

@JuhoPurola Жыл бұрын

@@scottyyoch3537 Lol, it wasn't secular worldview that did any of that, Stalin was a mad dictator who made a cult of personality around himself and his huge ego. His actions were not because of his "secular worldview", but instead his paranoia and incompetence. Meanwhile the Spanish Inquisition and its kin in other religious organizations in power have been terrorising the world for millennia. We don't even have the numbers for all of them, and not just killing but brutal torture and other atrocities not counted in the kill count. And the kicker is, they explicitly did it for their religions. The biggest difference between the two is that the human population grew exponentially after the industrial revolution, so Stalin had much more people to hurt, while the Spanish Inquisition existed at a time with a relatively low and stable population number. Maybe look into a bit history before embarrassing yourself again.

@jenniferpaul1832 Жыл бұрын

Jeff hit them hard with presuppositional apologetics and this completely through them when challenged about how their worldview could account for ethics. Great job Jeff and Dr White!

@maksimchirkoff2444 Жыл бұрын

Sorry probably a dumb question but what is presuppositional apologetics?

@ReformedTradesman Жыл бұрын

Amen to that. It was just fire from Jeff and James. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@UgliestManOnEarth-69 Жыл бұрын

@@AndresMartinez-tx6hc so what is it lol? It’s nonsense is what it is. It means I’m a theist so I get to make certain premises and pretend they’re fact to build their arguments on. It’s called a shaky foundation.

@BScott7220 Жыл бұрын

@@maksimchirkoff2444 No one outside of a very small niche of fundamentalists uses presuppositional tactics. It's basically: "Our 'worldview' is true because our holy book (in this case the Bible) says it is. If you don't believe as we do, then you have no basis for logic and no objective morality." Many world religions could put forward something similar, though most don't because it's immediately alienating and seems counter-productive to any actual evangelical efforts. It's also supremely arrogant to question the basis of your opponent's argument without establishing the validity of your own. On an intellectual level, it is problematic because it makes a virtue out of absolute certainty. Listen to any debate with a presupper - one of their favorite tactics is to attack the agnostic for "not knowing." Then claim that everyone "knows it's true, but is DENYING it." Disagreeing =/= denial. To call unbelief 'denying' is to poison the well. Finally, it's cheating because it assumes it's own victory without justification; it demands everything of it's opponent while offering nothing in return. At the end of the day, all they have is their certainty, which has no bearing on whether the claims are valid. Also, again, any other religion can use the exact same presupp script and two hours later you wouldn't be any closer to the truth. On youtube you'll find no shortage of presupp debates/encounters.

@Namato360 Жыл бұрын

@@BScott7220 you just gave the most bias perspective possible, your comment shouldn't be trusted. Maksim, do not listen to this definition.

@godsaves1127 Жыл бұрын

What a powerful debate. God bless you Pastor Jeff and Pastor James. God bless you both

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 8 ай бұрын

@leluyaa Жыл бұрын

Ex atheist here as well, after a supernatural encounter with the Risen Lord in 2016 I threw my life in the garbage/ Did a complete 180 to follow Him 🙏🏼

@trumpbellend6717 Жыл бұрын

Why did you not believe before this "supernatural encounter" ?

@kanehiro4635 Жыл бұрын

@@trumpbellend6717 “And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” Those who were with Him from the Pharisees heard these things and said to Him, “We are not blind too, are we?” Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now that you maintain, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.” ‭‭John‬ ‭9‬:‭39‬-‭41‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

@kanehiro4635 Жыл бұрын

@@trumpbellend6717 “You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born as a result of sexual immorality; we have one Father: God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from God and am here; for I have not even come on My own, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I say the truth, you do not believe Me. Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? The one who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭8‬:‭41‬-‭47‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

@kanehiro4635 Жыл бұрын

@@trumpbellend6717 “At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son determines to reveal Him.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭25‬-‭27‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

@kanehiro4635 Жыл бұрын

@@trumpbellend6717 “Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry, and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty. Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭35‬, ‭37‬-‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

@jamesford6846 Жыл бұрын

I love how the Gospel was given throughout by Pastor Durbin and Dr. White

@torreyintahoe 11 ай бұрын

He's not a real pHD but whatever, blah blah blah.

@bullheadedgideon1673 10 ай бұрын

@@torreyintahoeWhy does that matter?

@torreyintahoe 10 ай бұрын

@@bullheadedgideon1673 Why does it matter if you call yourself Dr. when you’re not a legitimate PhD? That’s your question?

@bullheadedgideon1673 10 ай бұрын

@@torreyintahoe *_Within the context of OP's point,_* yes. With OP loving how much Gospel there was, I'd imagine he couldn't care less that "he's not a real PhD." *_Aside from what the original context was,_* I imagine that I completely see your point. Unless there's a legitimate reason he does this? 🤷 I have no idea...

@paulrichards6894 8 ай бұрын

about 10 years ago archaelogists dug up 75 ancient jews from the time of jesus....these jews had 89% DNA of modern day egyptians...............this fits in with the origin of yahweh....the earliest mention of yahweh on tablets was in egypt by a sect called the shasha who almost certainly introduced yahweh to the caananites ....jews were caananites and when they moved into the levant they carried on worshipping all the pantheon of caananite gods and it took 700 years to get to just yahweh

@jamesgrosso4372 Жыл бұрын

The whole whole debate went over the PHD's head.

@truthnotlies Жыл бұрын

I know someone with a PHD, and when I asked her if she believes in objective truth and morality, she said definitely NO. Moments later, she told me I was wrong for having certain opinions that contradicted hers.... Well, I don't know how she thinks she can objectively tell me I'm wrong, when she doesn't believe anything is objectively wrong.....???

@truthnotlies Жыл бұрын

@JO That's just moral relativism.

@truthnotlies Жыл бұрын

@JO In your opinion, there is not even one black and white, objective moral law?

@trumpbellend6717 Жыл бұрын

@@truthnotlies *"Morality is subjective, we set the rules HOWEVER that does NOT mean we cannot set objective rules about morality* *Let me draw an analogy, in the game of chess there are no OBJECTIVE RULES laid down by a god* *They are arbitrary man made, however once we all come to an agreement about which rules we want to implement and adhere to it then becomes posible to objectively declare a move as illegal within the framework of agreed upon rules ( a Bishop can only move diagonally ect )* *That does not mean therefore that outside of the framework ( rules ) that its objectively impossible to move a Bishop straight forward* 😁

@jaredlowry3547 Жыл бұрын

@JO But I’ll bet a million dollars that you act as though objective morality exists. The only way to be an intellectually consistent atheist is to be a complete and utter nihilist to the point that you don’t bother calling anything right or wrong, or behave like a psychopath because you realize that all morality is as arbitrary as your favorite flavor of ice cream.

@SethCorbinMusic Жыл бұрын

The older atheist was hard to watch. He couldn’t form a cogent argument or rebuttal, it was very much “look at how good humanism is”. He cannot explain why pedophilia is wrong but wonders why Jeff keeps bringing up pedophilia as an example.

@ItsMisterWilliams Жыл бұрын

Sheesh! Durbin delivered the gospel very clearly and beautifully to these men. What a blast!

@apologiautah Жыл бұрын

Thanks for joining us in Utah, brothers! And glory to God on the debate.😊

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. - Jeremiah 29:13

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

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@darkbozo11 Жыл бұрын

If we blame good things to God we must also thank him for the bad stuff. So thank God for the Russians raping and kidnapping and murdering in Ukraine.. thank God for global warming and for covid. Gett on your knees to worship his cancer creation because he is such a caring God!!!

@AndrewL4me Жыл бұрын

@@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool it would be nice if god showed up to one of these debates

@mnutt5049 Жыл бұрын

The older male clearly hasn’t heard of the Isaiah Scroll, Dead Sea Scrolls, or Masoretic Texts.

@lew1689 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this engagement. Its so good to see faithful Christians willing to fight for the faith

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 8 ай бұрын

@Deus_Ubique 7 ай бұрын

oh, christians have always been willing to fight. slaughtering tens of thousands during multiple crusades. executing 'witches'. and yet they never showed ANY evidence.

@Aa07aa Жыл бұрын

“Pastor Durbin, you sound like a broken album”. Exactly, the truth is a constant. This is how you fight for Christ 😂

@bllla Жыл бұрын

Jeff Durbin is a grifter. He doesn’t even have an argument. He just makes claims and dismisses his opponents arguments with “ I don’t like that so it’s not true”. There’s a reason he only debates complete dolts. Any atheist debater worth his weight can destroy Durbin but he will never agree to meet one because he can’t handle looking bad.

@andrewfischer9161 Жыл бұрын

I think this is what you call a BEATDOWN. Praise God!

@Tadneiko Жыл бұрын

Jeffs intro is 🔥 🔥 🔥

@perplexalot1615 Жыл бұрын

Imagine the anxiety that comes from knowing you made the mistake of agreeing to debate Durbin and White. 😆

@racheljane9600 Жыл бұрын

Hahaha so true

@jonedmunds8383 Жыл бұрын

it also “helps” when you have the truth on your side!

@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын

I would welcome a debate with them.

@jelly7310 Жыл бұрын

@@Theo_Skeptomai call em up. They have a podcast that you get on through a phone call. I'll look forward to hearing the debate.

@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын

@@jelly7310 I will check it out. If they agree to a debate I will use my moniker "Theo Skeptomai." However, it sounds like you are mentionng a Q&A session rather than a formal debate.

@shonen_blast 11 ай бұрын

1:03:30 "Jesus must be turning in his grave right now listening to this" Me: ... WHAT GRAVE?

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. - Jeremiah 29:13

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

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@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool Жыл бұрын

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16

@BadBBilly7 Жыл бұрын

Amen!

@bglynch3176 Жыл бұрын

Acts 17:22-28

@Reeseballin8 Жыл бұрын

Jeff and James. My favorite duo. I just wish Jeff’s mic was clearer

@wordunfiltered Жыл бұрын

Right! I was thinking the same thing.

@sablehund1219 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, we listen while driving a semi truck long haul. Hard to hear him.

@BT-mg1uu Жыл бұрын

Agreed! As someone that does sound for my church, i was dying inside listening to it 😢

@melaniehart8832 Жыл бұрын

More of this please! It's valuable to learn how to debate the Christian/biblical worldview and also valuable to hear the opposing views. Thank you Pastor Jeff and Dr. White for your tireless efforts in many arenas and for demonstrating the focus of the Gospel.

@Peter-wl3tm Жыл бұрын

There is plenty Christian debate on KZfaq, checkout Dr. Frank turek KZfaq channel, cross examined or Dr. Braxton Hunter KZfaq channel, Trinity Radio

@Vdoggfromtha818 Жыл бұрын

Lol can’t use the Bible to prove the Bible. That’s like me using a Harry Potter book to prove Hogwarts exists 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️

@Peter-wl3tm Жыл бұрын

Wait, does that mean scientists can’t use scientific paper to backup their theories? What about medical students in med school, should they not use medical textbooks to prove that the medical procedures that we currently have access to is correct? Moreover, you compared the Bible to a Harry Potter book, how are they even comparable are you assuming that the Bible is a bunch of made up stories or that it’s not historical?

@AndrewBarton-ho1iu Жыл бұрын

@@Vdoggfromtha818 Yes, I can use the Bible to give evidence for the Bible. You're implying 'circular reasoning.' unfortunately for you, that defense won't work. At that rate, you'd be accusing scientists of circular reasoning! How? Tell me, has gravity *ever* been proven? Nope. What about abiogenesis? Any proof? Nope!

@AndrewBarton-ho1iu Жыл бұрын

@@Peter-wl3tm Watch me destroy this kid in a debate.

@Wink81 Жыл бұрын

Excellent work Apologia church! Glory to Christ!

@Noname-tq7fu Жыл бұрын

I thank the Lord your lives, Dr. James White and Ptr. Jeff Durbin. All glory and honor to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Watching this debate all the way from the Philippines.

@buildthewallwiththewoke6196 Жыл бұрын

According to the Encyclopedia of Wars, out of all 1,763 known/recorded historical conflicts, 121, or 6.87%, had religion as their primary cause.

@KlaustheViking Жыл бұрын

It’s amazing how you don’t have to be a professor to find such knowledge lol. Some atheist professors sound like knowledge just stems from them and them alone.

@buildthewallwiththewoke6196 Жыл бұрын

@@KlaustheViking Trust the experts.

@Anchyy1171 Жыл бұрын

And how many of those were based around a Christian God

@KlaustheViking Жыл бұрын

@@Anchyy1171 Irrelevant to the point being made.

@Anchyy1171 Жыл бұрын

@@KlaustheViking I asked the question out of curiosity and its relevance is based on what i want to find out from it, but fine dont tell me i can google it anyways.

@benjaminjones1223 Жыл бұрын

wow. what an excellent debate. you can see how bankrupt the opposing side’s argument is for God being unnecessary in ethics. dr. white and pastor durbin, you two are cherished teachers and are wise because you fear God and are bold for His sake. thank you for strengthening my faith and for preaching the gospel to a world that needs it!!!

@vinncentuntiedt5851 8 ай бұрын

I mean, its pretty telling that multiple different Civilisations had ethics before Christianity. The fact that this was never answered showed me that one side came for cheap gotchas, while the other came to explore the others Worldview.

@marcusdavenport1590 11 ай бұрын

Amazing conversation!

@tuchesuavae Жыл бұрын

This was such a one sided debate. Jeff and white took this by a land slide

@bigbapester Жыл бұрын

Having no absolute standard for morals means you have no such sure knowledge of good and evil.

@mattr.1887 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like Christianity.

@trumpbellend6717 Жыл бұрын

"Good" and "Evil" are words used to describe movement or points on a reference standard or scale conceptualised by man that is based upon our shared values like human wellbeing, empathy and equality. Whilst "God" is also a man made concept, the percieved whims of this "God" do not reflect these shared values and thus are irrelevant in any discussion of morality.

@jeanellecortez1422 Жыл бұрын

@@mattr.1887 God set the standard of morality so yes of course it sounds like Christianity because it is.

@Newbie4Hire Жыл бұрын

what a great debate, thanks for putting this together.

@AlexTheNoodle Жыл бұрын

This is one of the best debates ever!

@tinawantland398 Жыл бұрын

TRUTH is worth “fighting” for! Doubt is what “conversations” or for.

@bloodbruise Жыл бұрын

I'm eagerly awaiting watching this

@elhilo1972 Жыл бұрын

The fact that he said with a straight face that Christianity ranks first in historical violence makes me question his qualifications to even be on that panel.

@SouthValleyKnifeCo Жыл бұрын

Hes not qualified in the slightest

@jomedi12 Жыл бұрын

Would you agree that the intolerance of the Inquisition was motivated by a Christian movement?

@MrPopemobile Жыл бұрын

Catholicism might actually be first if you think about the inquisition and the crusdades. More often than not, Christianity is confused with Catholicism.

@joshualittrell2457 Жыл бұрын

@@MrPopemobile it really is mistaken quite often. I have to always point out that when that was happening many Christians were killed for not conforming to catholicism.

@zuko8201 Жыл бұрын

@@MrPopemobile according to the KFF health and science center, the most casualties from war is due to hunger.

@scarcxy Жыл бұрын

GLORY TO GOD FOR THE GREAT WORK PASTOR JEFF & PASTOR JAMES.

@ogloc6308 Жыл бұрын

one of my favorite debate topics to point to God. Great job fellas

@CBALLEN Жыл бұрын

God has made Brother James and Jeff,two of the greatest Christian debaters of our day.Everthing they say cannot be refuted because their arguments are derived from the very word of God and their arguments show the spiritual insanity of the world.

@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын

Their arguments are invalid.

@joelnenadovich8141 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff. A great one to listen to while I have a day off and have heaps of chores to do.

@JesusIsKing_JesusIsLord Жыл бұрын

Bravo!! ❤ May God continue to shine his light on you both to spread His truth!

@mechengineer-sv2ei Жыл бұрын

Loved this debate. The answer on why suicide is wrong from Pastor Durbin at the very end was spot on! All of it was spot on.

@Romans_Twelve_Two Жыл бұрын

Praise Jesus! Amazing opening, brothers! 🙌

@NW-Sasquatch-Research Жыл бұрын

I am not surprised on how this went down, love this debate so much.

@Courtney85 Жыл бұрын

Great debate Pastors James and Jeff!

Жыл бұрын

I spent the whole debate yelling, “SAYS WHO!?” They never answered that question.

@Alien1375 Жыл бұрын

Said the people who wrote the Bible of course.

Жыл бұрын

@@Alien1375 so who defines morality for you?

@TheJpgr1958 Жыл бұрын

@ I highly doubt you'll receive a response to your question from Alien1375, but truth be told, Alien1375 would be the one to define morality for themselves. Alien1375 does worship God. The God Alien1375 worships is the one that stares back at him from the bathroom mirror everyday, which is exactly the same God all Atheists worships.

@DrVarner Жыл бұрын

Jeff is fond of, “By what standard!” Or my personal favorite, “So what.”

@Alien1375 Жыл бұрын

@ It's a combination of upbringing, education and evolutionary social impulses that make human beings social beings. And yes that means you have to think a bit for yourself. Not let everything decide what a bunch of guys from the bronze age made up for you.

@LetsTalkChristMinistries Жыл бұрын

Durbin and Dr White are excellent debaters. Durbin is also a really good orator.

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

More accurately, they are excellent at making bald assertions and leveraging emotion.

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkChristMinistries Then why does Durbin keep mentioning "Fish that became philosophers" "You think we evolved from the scum" "If we are just descendants of bacteria" etc? He's playing purely on emotion to add weight to the bald assertions that he and James were making.

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkChristMinistries What emotional tactics does Dillahunty use? I've literally seen him do the opposite. And even when I was a Christian I knew that the emotional tactics like "In your worldview there is no ultimate justice in the end" or "You think we're just moral meatbags" were terrible arguments. Also, please cite a single valid point Durbin made.

@LetsTalkChristMinistries Жыл бұрын

@@LyingForJesusOrg You’re looking to argue. I’ve seen countless debates of Dillahunty. He does nothing but caricature, straw man, and dodge. Hitchens was worse. Dillahunty has a way with words, but no substance. The fact that you say Dillanhunty doesn’t emote let’s me know all I need to know about you. You don’t have one objective bone in your body. No matter how much Dawkins, Hitchens, or Dillahunty you want to regurgitate, no matter how much darkmatter2525 you watch, the atheist position is illogical. No. I’m not proving or presenting anything to you. Your agenda is obvious. You are looking to argue. Dillahunty is one of the worse emoters I’ve heard when it comes to debate. If you can’t see that, then you’re definitely biased. I have nothing further to discuss with you. No amount of evidence will do for you. You’re blinded by hate. Your name says it all. Your agenda is obvious. No thank you.

@LyingForJesusOrg Жыл бұрын

@@parkervitous2782 They aren't even questions. They are emotional tactics & statements. Telling someone that "their worldview doesn't offer ultimate justice in the end" isn't asking a question. It's an attempt to make someone sad & long for ultimate justice. And my rejection of the Christian deity isn't due to an emotion like anger. It's a result of having a consistent standard for evidence in my life. If you had the same consistency, you would also reject said deity.

@editlife41 Жыл бұрын

Thanks to God's children like Pastor Jeff and Dr. James White.

@marebear09 Жыл бұрын

The Apologia Power Team on their A game! Excellent debating.

@jamesford6846 Жыл бұрын

Excellent. A sheer joy watching and learning.

@andinorth1507 Жыл бұрын

Wow, Durbin and White have given the testimony and debate of ages

@BibleLovingLutheran Жыл бұрын

I would argue God has.

@thunderczar9272 Жыл бұрын

How do you have a debate about God and Ethics and NOT talk about God and "sermon topics?" Why would they think God and Jesus wouldn't show up? The Atheist perspective is always so dense in these debate and you have the patience beyond normal human standards.

@callumclarke1733 Жыл бұрын

Great debate brother' Jeff and James , you did a great job God bless you and your family, love and grace from your brother Callum from England Nottingham

@justenadams5798 Жыл бұрын

It’s astounding to see people in the name of “being consistent” will not think nor contemplate but merely react to their own fleeting emotion and yet live in such a way and hold others to a standard contradictory to that emotion and reaction… what a mess!

@Tbone12345 Жыл бұрын

This debate was over from the beginning. Much love, God bless

@3rdworldrecords10 Жыл бұрын

I love how Jeff and James white are drinking the "battery acid" from the last debate 😂🤣 that's such a flex !!!

@qgkyncy Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed coming to this thank you for coming and sharing the truth of God!

@unabashedlyredeemed1 Жыл бұрын

So good! Thank you Jeff Durbin and James White for eloquently presenting the case for grounding our views in God while exposing that humanistic world views are baseless. Soli Deo Gloria! 🙌🏼🙏🏼

@LuciferAlmighty Жыл бұрын

Claiming god as the grounding is just as baseless.

@danielallemang9414 Жыл бұрын

"Making a caricature" is just taking your own points and thinking them through to their logical extremes, and it is necessary for all of us to do.

@LoveYourNeighbour. Жыл бұрын

This is probably the very best thing I've heard this year so far!! JEFF DURBIN, YOU ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT MY BROTHER!! 🔨

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 8 ай бұрын

@harutikz Жыл бұрын

Great debate brothers. Total victory

@themanincharge6418 Жыл бұрын

I hope we stay away from antifreeze this time😂

@luxuryraymond1810 Жыл бұрын

That guy was awful.

@bboynewsboy991 Жыл бұрын

"You've seen miracles" 😂

@Followerdow Жыл бұрын

I was wondering if that was why their drinks are bright green!! A little throw back to the antifreeze debate

@zenvultra Жыл бұрын

@@Followerdow good catch lol

@gregsquire9704 Жыл бұрын

@@Followerdow the same guy who set up this debate is the same one from the last debate. (This one was supposed to be a year later, but COVID) he hunted down a pop similar to Mt. Dew with the coloring of antifreeze as a joke.

@roguecalvinist Жыл бұрын

Great debate guys, I'm still watching the tail end of it. It caught me off-guard

@timothydaugaard6457 Жыл бұрын

“Inter-subjectively wrong” is just code for “I’m doing my damnedest to suppress the truth in my unrighteousness.”

@jaredlowry3547 Жыл бұрын

As arbitrary as “not my favorite flavor of ice cream”. These people don’t seem to think about their worldview with any seriousness.

@JuhoPurola Жыл бұрын

Yeah and the first two opening statements are just code for " waah waah the world isn't stuck in the bronze age like I want it to and atheists are dumb poo poo heads for critiquing my fairytales". Damn, it's so nice to be able to interpret code this easily.

@shogunofsorrow787 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure you know what that means

@kingyoung5228 Жыл бұрын

@Juho Purola well the critiques you guys make are never valid and have typically been answered hundreds of times over. Unlike the boundless logical inconsistencies that exist within your own belief in evolution, which cannot willnot ever be answered.

@JuhoPurola Жыл бұрын

@@kingyoung5228 🤣

@dpopadopalous Жыл бұрын

Great closing Durbin!

@usaflambert Жыл бұрын

What a great debate Pastor Jeff and Pastor James!! Unfortunately, the opposition was totally unprepared to answer, with any depth, a single philosophical question about how to account for ethics.

@firingallcylinders2949 Жыл бұрын

They can't be. I have yet to see an atheist answer this properly. Even Christopher Hitchens in his debate against Doug Wilson when asked about why killing the Amalekites was objectively wrong in the Bible he had no good answer.

@BornAgain223 Жыл бұрын

true and true. These two are particularly unprepared however. Someone like Jordan Peterson might be able to at least provide a more entertaining debate.

@RigidStandards Жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 why was it bad to kill them? Was it bad?

@borneandayak6725 Жыл бұрын

They simply can't answer 😂

@chu123TIN Жыл бұрын

That’s because there is no philosophical arguments against Christ They’re arguing against divine power, they’ll lose every time “For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,” ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@rangerthelab1 Жыл бұрын

Nice work Apologia!!!❤🙏

@alham4409 Жыл бұрын

Great debate - Pastor Durbin and Dr. White are so very, very sharp. So many excellent points in the affirmative. YES, we need God for ethics for without it, autonomous subjectivity will lead to moral relativity and ultimately, depravity and chaos.

@JuhoPurola Жыл бұрын

Oh boy, the first opening shows how weak and hostile the Christian side of the debate is. Complaining about society, building as well as attacking strawmen, and claiming "muh bible is purfect" is just hilarious and impossible to take seriously as a serious debate opening. Maybe they should try to keep the sermons in their homes and places of worship, instead of wasting time in a debate and thus disrespecting the opponents.

@derek8408 Жыл бұрын

what an introduction Dr James White👏👏

@Soildus Жыл бұрын

That older atheist was rambling all over the place and couldn't understand basic questions. I felt sorry for him. The atheist brought a knife to a tank fight. lol

@kalestanforde Жыл бұрын

@MegaTigers01 Жыл бұрын

All his education brought him was a lot of stupidity.

@SouthValleyKnifeCo Жыл бұрын

He really showed how much ofna fool he was.

@georgios.K Жыл бұрын

He just had to answer completely irrational arguments . .

@tylerpage863 Жыл бұрын

This was awesome. Jeff and Dr. White you guys did an awesome job defending the Christian worldview and honestly it wasn’t even a close debate.

@AscentofTrollbane 9 ай бұрын

How was it "[not] event close"? Nobody knows that God exists, yet we still have morality. Thus the premise "morality implies God" is not provable, so the entire Christian argument is an "Argument from ignorance". The negative side is only saying "we can't say God exists, but morality clearly exists."

@irishscience580 9 ай бұрын

@@AscentofTrollbane If god doesn't exist then morality doesn't exist. It's just chemicals. You can't put morality under a microscope. Also you saying that nobody knows if god exists is a logical fallacy, I'm not agnostic like you, im a theist I know God exists. I know you guys are obsessed with evidence, but Just because you can't put god under a microscope doesn't mean he doesn't exist. The surefire evidence that God exists is the impossibility of the contrary

@Abzero-mx2pb 7 ай бұрын

@@irishscience580 no, that is a complete and utter logical fallacy "your lack of evidence for your claim is automatically evidence for mine" that's not how it works. you will STILL not have evidence even if you prove another side doesn't either. evidence is not two sided. i have evidence for morals, logic, matter, etc. just because i do not have ALL the evidence, doesn't mean the evidence i have no longer counts. the lack of evidence for god is just that, the lack of evidence for god... he doesnt exist as far as we know of. when we get some evidence, then we'll talk

@robertlewis6915 5 ай бұрын

@@AscentofTrollbane Depends on how you define terms. Morality as a concept exists, obviously, but the debate isn't about whether people can conceive of morality without God but whether morality has meaningful authority without God.

@andresescruceria9550 Жыл бұрын

Excellent well done brothers all to the Glory of God!

@hrebientony Жыл бұрын

This debate in a nutshell: Christians: You don't have a true morality without God Atheist: Yes, we do Christian: Prove it Atheist: Yes

@UgliestManOnEarth-69 Жыл бұрын

Christian’s and theists don’t have true morality either. True meaning objective.

@hrebientony Жыл бұрын

@Anon Ymous I wasn't making any claims, but a simple observation of how it's often frustrating to watch presuppositional apologists debate relativists. The debate always hits a wall, and people start talking past each other. However, society based morality is indefensible, in my opinion, as it falls apart when societies all agree to engage in horrendous, evil acts such as society approved cannablism, genocide, etc.

@quint2857 Жыл бұрын

Cant believe people think atheists cant have morals.

@lawrence1318 Ай бұрын

@@hrebientony More to the point .... the idea that morality is formed by society simply begs the question in that society is made up of individuals. As Margaret Thatcher said: "there's no such thing as society: there's just you and me".

@austinandkaylaswenson7489 Жыл бұрын

I recently got to be on a podcast with an atheist and a lucifierian.. It was awesome to defend the truth of God..

@vaughntwo-three3721 Жыл бұрын

How did you keep your cool, lol?

@temsumongbajamir1582 Жыл бұрын

Was there any difference between the two in their core belief?

@josiahpulemau6214 Жыл бұрын

Which podcast and episode please? I’d like to vet it myself 👀💪🏾💯🤙🏾🙏🏾

@OllinXiucoatl Жыл бұрын

Link please.

@OllinXiucoatl Жыл бұрын

@@josiahpulemau6214 yeah me too.

@GarageStudio7 Жыл бұрын

"If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?" - Psalm 11:3 The powers that should not be, started with "We evolved from apes, the big bang started the world, We descended from fish, God isn't real" Then they 👁 moved to "Men can marry men, women can marry women, there is nothing wrong with killing a child in the womb because your body, your choice" (mind you that didn't apply to them, when it came to the 💉) & now "There is nothing like a man, there is nothing like a woman, what we have called women are chest feeders, birthing persons" "pronouns are they, them, ze, zir," (some even have 'demon's as their pronouns & others are starting to identify as animals, couches, disabled etc.) Changes to birth certificates are also being sanctioned by judges. Believers in Christ are being ridiculed and persecution is increasing. The promotion of Satanism is now on full display in many countries around the world by mainstream singers, actors, athletes, models, politicians, heads of industry etc. We are truly in a spiritual war & many are being picked off & destroyed. The pawns of these malevolent spiritual forces have authority and influence in this physical world however even they know they can't force everyone to go along so they are molding minds to willingly accept. The Devil wants to gloat that the beings GOD created in HIS image willingly chose the adversary. Let's stand up & anchor ourselves in The Truth of The Word of GOD. We will need to be fortified to withstand the times of tribulation ahead. The 💉 was a precursor to the Msrk of the Beast & just as many lined up for it, most will gladly hold their hand out for the mark. "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." - Ephesians 6:12

@christopherleewilliams33 Жыл бұрын

It’s telling that Dr Chattergee’s face at the end of the debate is as hard as his heart and his last statement. Jared Anderson thinks he knows the scriptures. Praying for them ❤️

@stevenyoung3752 Жыл бұрын

Doctor Deen Chattergee's opening statement was hilarious he just said "everyone should just agree with 'x' moral concept" when the entire point is justifying that claim. He just points out that everyone agrees on something without giving his philosophical justification under his worldview. He did exactly what Durbin's opening statement said he would, it was comical

@vaness77able Жыл бұрын

As a byproduct of exposing the fool's worldview, Jeff and James' debates always have a comedic undertone, and it's so entertaining 😆

@trumpbellend6717 Жыл бұрын

The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

@vaness77able Жыл бұрын

@trump bellend it is actually superior and objective. So much so that when the so-called atheists attempt to come up with their own morality, they have to borrow from the Christian worldview to make sense because the ultimate conclusion of atheism is that nothing ultimately matters.

@trumpbellend6717 Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry why would anyone need more "justification" as to why morality is actually about human wellbeing values, other than the fact that those values WORK as the basis for moral and ethical systems worldwide irrespective of religion or lack of. For the most part it is only with the concept of "SIN" ( transgression against the perceived whims of subjective invisible beings ) that the disagreement occurs.

@SDRBass Жыл бұрын

@@trumpbellend6717 The question is WHY they work. That should have been obvious.

@CBALLEN Жыл бұрын

Bottom line,an atheist can be made to believe anything but the Biblical truth.

@bglynch3176 Жыл бұрын

Fortunately that is not always true. I am hearing many "Atheist" who have come to accept Biblical truth.

@mattr.1887 Жыл бұрын

Anything?

@CBALLEN Жыл бұрын

@@bglynch3176 Then they aren't atheists anymore,right ?

@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын

That is FALSE. I cannot be made to believe anything of which I am not convinced.

@BibleLovingLutheran Жыл бұрын

With God all things are possible.

@SimonWartanian Жыл бұрын

38:13 I love how pastor Jason Wallace was trying to keep his laugh.

@BibleLovingLutheran Жыл бұрын

I can picture Sproul yelling, “what’s wrong with you people?!”

@jayrocky9067 Жыл бұрын

😂

@clintgreive Жыл бұрын

Durbin and White, wiped the floor with their interlocutores. This was obvious.

@joys.6347 Жыл бұрын

I've been looking forward to this all week but now I won't get to watch it live. :( Ah well, it'll be my late evening treat when I sit down to knit.

@nschilk Жыл бұрын

Pastor Jeff's always on 🔥🔥🔥

@sledteamcapt Жыл бұрын

White and Durbin are on their A game here. Truly heroes of the truth, I am so thankful for their ministry.

@torreyintahoe 11 ай бұрын

Heroes of dogma. They're a long way from the truth.

@sledteamcapt 11 ай бұрын

@@torreyintahoe atheism is a foolish dogma. God is undeniable, you think therefore there is a God.

@torreyintahoe 11 ай бұрын

@@sledteamcapt Undeniable? There’s no evidence that gods exist therefore they don’t. There’s no evidence that magic is a thing either, which is the means by which gods would theoretically function.

@sledteamcapt 11 ай бұрын

@@torreyintahoe that would be a reasonable objection if you only believed in things you had empirical evidence for, but you believe in many things you have no evidence for; Morality, emotions, mathematics logic, reason etc.

@torreyintahoe 11 ай бұрын

@@sledteamcapt There's no reason to. believe in things we don't have evidence for. Your examples are poor analogies. Morality is the label we give to a code of behavior. You can argue about what it consists of or where it comes from but not that it's hidden. Math is not hidden either. It's a tool we all use everyday. There is nothing in this world that even suggests that god belief is legitimate and when you look at how humans started using it to explain their world in the first place it becomes obvious that god belief is fiction and it would have died out a long time ago if it wasn't for childhood indoctrination.

@rachepreston Жыл бұрын

Excellent job!!! Praise the Lord!

@paulajames6149 Жыл бұрын

Love it that Jeff brought up separation between state and religion came from God/Christian faith. Great job guys!!!

@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad he brought it up, but I also wish it was ever pointed out that Jefferson's letter is merely saying, "Sorry that I can't help you with the religious disfavor you're facing as a minority in your state. As I am now a member of the federal government, I do not have the right to tell your state that they can't favor a particular Christian teaching. There has to be a wall of separation between me, here in the federal government -- "the State" -- and your individual state's denominational preferences when it comes to church."

@kalestanforde Жыл бұрын

Separation of state and religion did not come from god/ christian faith. You god rules on a theocracy according to your bible. Do any of you actually read your bible?

@LuciferAlmighty Жыл бұрын

Except it didn't

@treytaylor1511 Жыл бұрын

@@kalestanforde @Lucifer Almighty So where did it come from? Key words: church and state. So Christianity definitely played some role in the development of the idea. Albeit a negative one a, as I assume is an historical claim you'd be willing substantiate;however, I would be a proponent for its positive impact in American politics. First, the founding father's refer back to patristic church fathers in terms of their defense of religious pluralism for a republic; most notably Thomas Jefferson and James Madisin both draw from the seminal insights of Tertullian of Carthage (197 CE.) who in fact inctrouced the term "freedom of religion"(libertas religionis) into western thought. He's directly quoted by those two aforementioned founders at great length [see Tertullian, Apollogeticum(c.197) in Corpus Christianorum:Series Latina-- Tertullian, ed.E Dekkers(Turnhout: Brepols,1954),pg.234, with translation and discussion in Wilken,Liberty in the Things of God,10-13,189-92)]. Furthermore, that tradition was carried on by Lactanius, who expressed opposition to imposed force used by any one religion [De Mortibus Persecutorum,trans. and ed. J.L. Creed(Oxford: Clarendon Press,1984),71-73]. Secondly, all this culminated into what would become arguably St. Augustine's greatest work in "City of God"(ca. 413-427), where he quite literally draws on biblical verses linking this separatism as sound in Christian political theology. He claimed that there is a "city of God that coexist with this city of man," but emphasized that these two cities,although they may overlap, both exist necessarily. He contrasted their roles, seeing that religion does impact politics and vice versa, but within certain bounds[Religion and the American Constitutional Experiment/John Witte. Jr.,Joel A. Nichols and Richard W. Garnett[Fifth Edition](New York: Oxford University Press,2022),pg.16]. He draws primarily upon Christ teaching of "Rendering into Caesar What belongs to Caesar"(Matthew 22:21;Mark 12:17;Luke 20:25). And the Pauline tradition of "Liberty in Christ"(Romans 12:2;Ephesians 2:14,etc).

@treytaylor1511 Жыл бұрын

@@LuciferAlmighty Argument?

@jcs1901 Жыл бұрын

“The other side didn’t offer a debate but a sermon” This is why pressup rules. It was a debate and yet Pastor Jeff and White argued their position while sharing the gospel.

@slyfox1483 Жыл бұрын

@JO you cannot even have a debate without first justifying how everyone uses logic from an athiest POV

@Back2Basix Жыл бұрын

What I'm picking up from the agnostic with his own Pantheon is that he fears himself, so the only way to prove that he is right to himself is to not prove anything and be neutral. That's a doctrine of fear. He learned it by believing once and then feeling so unsteady so unsure that he longed to never feel that way again, so he became a leaf blowing in the wind of indecision. Abba father deliver him and show him his purpose.