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Apple M1 SSD Lifespan Ageing. Do YOU have the problem?

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Mark Payne

Mark Payne

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UPDATE JULY 2021:
This would appear to be fixed in macOS 11.4
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Stop worrying about SSD wear on all Apple Macs including M1. Measure it for yourself! Full tutorial with background theory. Please comment on this video and tell me your SSD Drive Writes Per Day. Let’s put this issue to bed together!
#AppleM1​ #AppleSilicon​ #SSD​
Sections
0:00 - Welcome
0:44 - Intro
1:29 - SSD Why do they Wear?
4:20 - SLC vs TLC
6:55 - Apple, Toshiba and Kioxia
9:10 - Understanding Wear Levelling
11:52 - SSD Size matters!
12:22 - Understanding TBW and DWPD
14:36 - What About memory Pressure?
15:34 - Using smartctl to test SSD wear rate
22:19 - Using standard tools for wear rate
23:54 - Wrap Up
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I Intro
Reports on abnormally high rates of SSD life usage
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MacRumours
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1. Understanding DWPD Drive Writes Per Day
The Mac M1 systems use TLC NAND (Triple Level Cell) devices for SSD. None of this is new to Apple and had been in iphones and previous Macs.
In the brilliant IFIXIT M1 system teardown:
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they suspected that the M1 Air system contained Western Digital/SanDisk chips while the M1 Pro had Kioxia (Toshiba) devices for SSD. For all we know Apple change these things about according to machine type and SSD capacity.
SSD NAND storage devices always have an on-board controller that spreads the writes over all of the available cells to ensure “Wear Levelling” in order to maximize life. For this reason, a larger drive will accept a higher number of writes over its lifetime. The total write capacity over the full warranty life (3-5 years) that is “guaranteed” for the SSD is called the TBW (Total Bytes Written) and is expressed in TerraBytes (1TB = 1000GB)
The DWPD (Drive Writes Per Day) is a simple multiplication factor applied to the drive capacity that tells us how much data per day we could write to the drive and still be within warranty life specifications (again typically 3-5 years).
From my research a conservative (pessimistic) DWPD factor for Toshiba TLC NAND SSD would be 0.3. This means that it would be within warranty specs to write 30% of the drive’s capacity every day without risking long term endurance. This sounds like “enough” does it not?
On my Mac M1 the drive is 1TB capacity so I could write 300GB daily.
On a base M1 system with a 256GB hard drive this would be a 76GB daily threshold for writing before worrying about serviceable life.
2. Monitoring with SmartMonTools
Smartmontools can be downloaded at smartmontools.org
I am using V7.2 on an M1 system running Big Sur and also on an older imac Pro on Mojave.
The direct link for this download is here:
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3. Monitoring with standard Tools
You can easily estimate your write rate without the specialist tools.
First find the number of days your system has been running since the last reboot. To do this run the uptime command in a terminal window or… do to the apple icon top left, select About This Mac and the System Report… next select the System Report tab and then hit “Software” from the selection bar. You will see the “Time since boot” as the last item on the report page. When I tested, my system had been up for 12 days.
Next run the Activity Monitor and select Disk in the tabs at the top of the screen.
The summary panel at the bottom contains the total Data Written figure since the last reboot. In my case this was 166GB written in 12 days equating to approx. 15GB per day on average.
References
Understanding NAND Flash
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How Apple’s Solid State Hard Drives Work
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Apple Buy into Toshiba Memory
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@santanawilian
@santanawilian 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation on this topic that I've ever seen! Thank you, Mark!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@DICKTURPIN1976
@DICKTURPIN1976 2 жыл бұрын
Possibly the most valuable channel I've found on youtube for a long time. These videos are next level.. The educating skills in these presentations are nothing short of phenomenal.
@andersongomesbd
@andersongomesbd 3 жыл бұрын
SIMPLY THE MOST FANTASTIC VIDEO ABOUT SWAP MEMORY EVER!!!! Congratulations on your video and all the effort you put into research to get to this INCREDIBLE result! SIMPLY THE BEST!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@LucaRuzzola
@LucaRuzzola 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, what a great and simple explanation, thank you! Keep up with these amazing tech videos! Your competence really shows, have a great day
@easyvelvet77
@easyvelvet77 2 жыл бұрын
Feels like back to class again! Amazingly clear... Thx ! I saw your other video about M1 8/16 Gb Ram using Logic Pro, and got it well. Thx again! I'm using Logic Pro 10.6 with my old macbook air, for playing what i would call "live sets", playing for around 3 hours, 25 tracks more or less in Logic pro project (16 to 20 elements, samples and loops, per tracks in this "live loops" way) so ... i can have around 500 pre-loaded elements in the Ram! My macbook Air running an intel i7/8Gb of RAM is totally ...SMOKING!!! I don't even speak of the buffer that i need... at least at 512 (if not 1024!) Not to have my CPU crashing... For sure i need to limit the VSTs & plugins use to the strict necessary: Apple EQ on each track (over the magic EQ3 from fabfilter...), few compressors on my groups, one IR1 Rev, one H-delay... Very very tight, to keep all this running. So? i go for the Update with those magic M1 chips. I'm about to order the New 14" Macbook pro thinking of 1Tb SSD and 16Gb Ram, (32Gb seams extremely massive and 400$ for it a bit excessive... Don't you think? Some say that 16Gb on those new ones are as powerful as 32Gb on the old Intel model...) But i'm mostly wondering of the "utility" of 10 cores CPU versus 8... A video about it, or any suggestion, would be amazing! It's seriously a pleasure to hear you talking so clearly and with so much ease, about those ..."Things" that we are bound to: to express, to create, to work and communicate! Shine!
@mark-ze4en
@mark-ze4en 2 жыл бұрын
I hear your questions regarding 16 vs 32 Gig ram. What I understand is regardless of what pc or Mac 16 G ram is still 16 G. You can't really expect the ' Shared memory' to make up the difference in memory pressure. I have had cash in hand for a new machine for months trying to determine what the most advantages configuration is for my modest studio. I have a sub powered older Dell quad core that has such high latency when using external idi controllers that makes it useless. As well I have heard that external ssd are not as responsive on recall of samples and I am tempted to pay the additional$400.00 for an extra terabyte of ssd in the mac( mini M1 or Mac studio Max) just to give me the piece of mind .
@jamesgreen332
@jamesgreen332 3 жыл бұрын
Wow.. thank you for showing me the way, not into such things so it's amazing that I was able to get my numbers. So, I use about 27 GB a day on my MBA 250 GB/8 GB RAM
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thats nice small numbers. No worries.
@HansJoachimMaier
@HansJoachimMaier 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. A nice explanation! I have a 8/512 GB Mac Mini. I got mine at the 16th of January.Currently I have 2.43TB written, so I am at 40.5 GB/day. But I am using it much. It runs probably around 15 hours per day (Homeoffice, private usage).
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Good numbers!
@SKYz64
@SKYz64 3 жыл бұрын
4.3TB total, 4 months in so around 37GB a day. I'm more than safe with my 512GB ssd :) The step-by-step tutorial really helped! Most other tech KZfaqrs leave out certain steps. Much appreciated!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. On the money.
@JerryHerrera
@JerryHerrera 3 жыл бұрын
The most complete explanation I've seen after weeks. Thank you for investing your time in this.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@72151
@72151 8 ай бұрын
Love the old school relationships, easier to understand. Thank you kindly.
@MuhdFaizFXIZZ
@MuhdFaizFXIZZ 3 жыл бұрын
I'm using my base MacBook Air for university works and my "Data Write Per Day" is 6.5GB. I appreciate these kind of proper evaluation.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@just_pierre9730
@just_pierre9730 3 жыл бұрын
Another masterclass! Thank you, Mark. My Mac Mini M1 16/512 : 2,92TB written since december 21 2020. I use it about 4 hours per day, mainly for Logic Pro X in Rosetta 2 mode and Ableton Live 11. Looks like the SSD will last longer than I do(62)....... :)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a worry when a computer can outlive you! I feel your pain!
@plfarinha
@plfarinha 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, thanks for the great video on ssd wearing. I'm more inclined to buy an M1 now, since the ssd wear was one of my biggest doubts. However, could you share where you found the 0.3 factor for DWPD? I'd like to learn more on that before I make a final decision. Thanks, Pedro
@obsidian9651
@obsidian9651 3 жыл бұрын
Discovered your channel last night and I gotta say what a gem! I love your teaching style!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome! and Thank you!
@sovansarkar5188
@sovansarkar5188 2 жыл бұрын
As a Bachelor in Computer Science student my daily write is approx 27gb. I do all the college assignments and coding and attending Gmeet and Zoom for online classes watching video lectures and surfing through the web etc etc. I'm currently using the 8gb/256gb version of M1 MacBook Air.
@cebulagner
@cebulagner 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation Mark! Love your work! Question, is it possible to allocate swap memory to an external SSD?
@jonathanpage6813
@jonathanpage6813 2 жыл бұрын
I know windows used to (and maybe still does) have a feature like this, but Mac does not. The reason it doesn’t is because an external SSD is many times slower than the internal one so it would slow the whole computer down as it was waiting for memory to write and be read from the external SSD.
@BraveNuword
@BraveNuword 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. Thank you! And wish you a happy and healthy long life so you can happily run the test on your SSD after 50 yrs.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that!
@kostadinb
@kostadinb 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have an M1 Mac, but I am considering one very soon. When I saw the news about the large amount of SWAP on the 8GB models, I got concerned a bit. But Mark, You've put all of these concernes to rest, very informative and educational, thank You !
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to be able to help with the context.
@ananthprem8804
@ananthprem8804 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, Mark. Just sharing data from my system. I have a 2014 MacBook Pro 13 with a 256GB SSD (intel machine of course). I’ve used it everyday for the past 6.5 years. My usage metrics are as follows: TDW: 55TB Daily Written Data: ~23GB
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Cool
@normjones6916
@normjones6916 3 жыл бұрын
You are an amazing educator "the best", wow great info on this topic
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that!
@Gongtopia
@Gongtopia 3 жыл бұрын
This was great. I'm not a techie, but you explained it all in a way that I could understand and actually use. I think that unless you were some sort of business crunching massive amounts of data seven days a week, you would be fine. And if you were a business like that, you'd probably replace your computers well before you wore out the SSD drives. Thanks for another great video!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou!
@johnnyschuetten
@johnnyschuetten Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your time and expertise making this excellent video - this was so incredibly useful and answered so many questions at once…and also helped tremendously in the decision about the capacity of the SSD for my next MBP. Thanks again! 😊
@basakarunava
@basakarunava 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on this topic that is getting lot of attention of late. A must watch for anyone who want to know more about the truth. I just applied your techniques I find that my DWPD is coming to around 23.5gb. My M1 system is a 512gb configuration! A big thank you for sharing such wonderful explanation!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that's small beans usage. All good!
@vacation_generation
@vacation_generation 3 жыл бұрын
Where have you been all my life? Watched a couple of your videos this morning, and I already know 10x more than I knew before. Well explained in easy terms (let’s face it most IT stuff is obscured behind unnecessarily scary jargon which I’m sure is aimed at making some people look smarter than others). I’ll be watching this space for more! Excellent presentation.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@Maximara
@Maximara 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. The only thing you should have covered is how to use the percentage to figure the lifespan of the drive. Ie if you use 1% in 2 months then you will use 100% in 200 months or *16.6 years* . I don't think it is Apple haters but people who just look at the write number and not the percentage number.
@robinthomsoncomposer
@robinthomsoncomposer 3 жыл бұрын
Erudite and clear as usual mate Going to start showing my IT students a selection of your videos that I think will be appropriate for them Thanks again for the hours of effort you are clearly putting in to these videos
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Please do! That is most rewarding. Back in the day I taught engineers and customers at Hewlett Packard but that was a good 20 years ago (and some) :-)
@robinthomsoncomposer
@robinthomsoncomposer 3 жыл бұрын
Well I am not surprised to hear that. Your ability to break the material down in to bite sized chunks and accompany it with relevant extra explanatory material is the mark of a good teacher.
@AdamHumburg
@AdamHumburg 3 жыл бұрын
Such a good video! I am no longer concerned. Purchased a 512GB M1 Pro one month ago and have done 24.77GB per day. I am interested to see how that number changes after having done all of my data migration and app install duties. On 3.75 (roughly) days of uptime my average is 3.94GB. That’ll do nicely.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
No worries there then Adam, like we said, In my opinion this was a blown up issue and effects very few people. Let's see!
@johnadams3038
@johnadams3038 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is Google Chrome caching and 3rd party browsers, just don’t use them.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.. I don’t get what is wrong with safari.
@marcinha1973
@marcinha1973 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Took off fear before buying my first Mac.
@_diegomadrigal
@_diegomadrigal 3 жыл бұрын
This tech educational videos along with music production are your strength. Keep it going , love the content so far!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@dscruf
@dscruf 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Terrific video. I'm at 28 GB/day on a MBP with 1TB SSD. Had the machine since Jan 1. It's used heavily for Audio Work (Logic). I also teach daily with it - about 3 hours of live class time on Zoom Mon-Fri teaching comp sci, programming and front/back web dev. Still, that can't amount to many writes. My initial install of 500 GB of audio sample libraries in early Jan skews this heavily. Lately, it's averaging only 9GB/day (100 GB with an uptime of 11 days).
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
That is very low write rate :-) Can I ask, is this a 16GB or 8GB system?
@sady01
@sady01 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the theory and the explanation and the brief detour to contemplation of our mortal existence as a Mac user at the end
@bieda4592
@bieda4592 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. You should have way more views and subscribers!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Working on it!
@thebasspapa
@thebasspapa 2 жыл бұрын
Great, now I am more relaxed and can calculate myself. Thanks a lot, this was outstanding
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@cogbeatz
@cogbeatz 3 жыл бұрын
You're the best Sir Mark Payne. Great tutorial, wonderful explanation.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@cogbeatz
@cogbeatz 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio You're welcome Sir.
@wikkidselekta
@wikkidselekta 3 жыл бұрын
7 months old M1 MBP w/512GB ssd...Data Units Written: 12,074,227 [6.18 TB] via SmartMon...23GB DWPD via Activity Monitor...20GB
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thats ok.
@joeldanielsson
@joeldanielsson 6 ай бұрын
84gb/day here and i use my mac all day long every day, i run illustrator, photoshop and some music production softwares. i got 1tb of ssd.
@r.s9556
@r.s9556 3 жыл бұрын
M1 Mac with 16 gb ram shows zero swap usage even when playing multiple games on it and even if an app is left open for couple of days in the background it handles it really well left it on standby it has amazing battery life. Always have latest updates installed on your device and any bugs will be fixed automatically and go for the 16 gb variant if you’re using it for heavy tasks.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Very good. Fore more specialist applications the latest updates the latest updates sometimes break things! I think at the moment with M1 it _is_ important to ride the updates as they happen. Later... when things are more established I may like to not be fixing it unless it is broken.
@kengkhim
@kengkhim 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for investing your time in this, love from Malaysia.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@timgurr1876
@timgurr1876 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of SSD writes. I learned a lot. Don't have an M1 machine yet, but looking to upgrade a mid-2010 iMac, so this video has really helped to diminish any concern about SSD wearing out too soon. Thanks.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful Tim! Are you going to wait for M2/M1X or take the plunge soon?
@barryinglaterra
@barryinglaterra 3 жыл бұрын
I have the MacBook Air with 256GB SSD and am seeing about 1.1-1.5TB per day written to the SSD by kernel_task. If I understood your video correctly, if I was writing 75GB per day my Mac would last 5 years, but since I'm writing 1.1TB per day that means my Mac should last 4 months is that right?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Barry. Thats is a very high write rate. Is this an 8GB system? What are you running that could be creating memory pressure?
@barryinglaterra
@barryinglaterra 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio Hi Mark, I just run the same apps I did on my old Intel MacBook - Final Cut Pro, Lightroom, and sometimes I play Total War games or watch Netflix. I have the 8GB version M1, and the old Mac had 8GB too, although that was shared with the integrated graphics.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I would suggest you keep your eye on the kerne_task write rate so you can understand which application is causing this memory pressure because I am not sure this write rate is healthy.
@dcorbe
@dcorbe 3 жыл бұрын
I've also got an 8GB M1 with a 256GB SSD and I''m just a little bit less than double my write rate (133GB/day).
@Super80sMan
@Super80sMan Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I have a 16GB RAM 256GB M1 Air. Running smartmons using your tutorial I found that I have written just over 4 TB is 7 months, which comes out to about 19 to 20 GB per day, well under the 75 GB per day. So theoretically this M1 machine should last for quite a while before the SSD wears out.
@Problembeing
@Problembeing Жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation. Clear, precise and simple. Thank you. Will have to look at the disk writes after a long render to have a better idea of where I stand. I just bought my M1 Max, 32Gb RAM/GPU, 1Tb SSD a couple of weeks ago, so I hope at least Blender and Logic won't destroy it too soon! I do get a whopping amount of swap whilst rendering and watching KZfaq on Safari at the same time, but I'll be sure to keep checking my daily usage to see where I'm at and if there is anything I can do more efficiently. Thanks again! Subbed. Slightly less anxious about it now.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
Cool!
@nellwackwitz
@nellwackwitz 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you so much Mark! I've learned lots from you! I've had my 1 TB, 16 GB RAM, M1 Air for two days! 😀 Using your program, I've written 515 Gigabytes over those days, which divides out to be 257.5 GB/day. I'm not too worried since I've been downloading lots of programs into my SSD. Using the activity monitor, I have written 78.4 GB over the past 22:35 hours. I think I'm alright.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! That will propably settle down anyway and it sounds like you are in install phase as you say.
@ale_filmmaker3513
@ale_filmmaker3513 3 жыл бұрын
Well I have had my MBA 8gb for 3 days and this is the results I am getting, I am using FCPX and keeping my video files only on my external SSD, I am starting to think theres something wrong with my laptop. Data Units Read: 3,366,935 [1.72 TB] Data Units Written: 4,000,152 [2.04 TB]
@TheMrboombostic
@TheMrboombostic 3 жыл бұрын
Ale_Filmmaker did it ever settle down?
@ale_filmmaker3513
@ale_filmmaker3513 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMrboombostic yes it did, I think the main reason it settled is because I am creating proxies for my 4k footage (1080p) and turned off GPU acceleration in Lightroom, I am editing all day and I am getting around 30 gb/day of data writen, I am also using a external SSD (I am not sure how much that helps).
@Xlippo
@Xlippo 2 жыл бұрын
If the SSD breaks down after 3 years, great, thanks for the free M4. Apple warranty/service is great.
@alecrimneto7856
@alecrimneto7856 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really impressed by the quality of this video. Brilliant stuff.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@chouaiboo15
@chouaiboo15 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed explanation of the memory swap on apple M1. I have noticed that using a memory cleaning application like Memory clean 2 or similar program will push more data to be written on your SSD . So I believe using these applications will increase the data written on your SSD just by pressing the clean button which does no magic to the RAM, it only moves data from RAM to SSD even when your RAM is not under pressure. We would be better off if we let macOS do its magic in managing memory then using some random third party application that does nothing special.
@TheMrboombostic
@TheMrboombostic 3 жыл бұрын
That, my friend, gets you another subscriber! Perfect explanation for a layman like myself.
@StratsRUs
@StratsRUs 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the fear out of any fear-mongering going on.Great to know.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@umue11
@umue11 3 жыл бұрын
My Mac Mini 2018 has less than 15GB DWPD. Bought it in Dec. 2018 and it has a 128GB SSD. So, even with the smallest SSD option I'm good. However it also shows me that my system writes less than half the data than yours on a M1 Mac. FYI, I only use the internal SSD for the OS and applications. All my files are on external devices.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
We think a lot of this is about M1 systems. The worry is that they are VERY efficient with memory management allowing the systems to run performantly with very little RAM for big tasks. The internal SSD is used as backup swap space maybe more than would be expected and some users see BIG write rates as a result. That is the theory. You are probably not going to see this issue on older hardware anyway.
@tassawar.sheikh
@tassawar.sheikh 2 жыл бұрын
Please have a quick read and reply. Available Spare: 100% Available Spare Threshold: 99% Percentage Used: 3% Data Units Read: 119,134,293 [60.9 TB] Data Units Written: 98,124,552 [50.2 TB] I have had the machine for year now. So according to this tool, 50TB is only 3% of the total health? Dividing 100\3%(health) = 33.3 Multiply 50.2TB*33.3 = 1673TB/1.63PB So is 1673TB/1.63PB the total expected TBW of my specific drive?
@kurtweber1267
@kurtweber1267 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto on the other comments made. Excellent explanation and real world testing. I love the speed of the internal SSD but this issue had me nervous. Fears calmed.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Kurt!
@Rasmus-tz3zp
@Rasmus-tz3zp 3 жыл бұрын
Super pedagogical presentation over the basic important parts of the SSD, the terms and calculations! It made it really comprehendible and easy to understand! Good work!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@Raja995mh33
@Raja995mh33 Жыл бұрын
Just tried it on my MacBook Air M2 which I got with 10-core GPU and 512GB but only 8GB RAM because it was the only model available besides the pure base one. And I surely was slightly concerned because of all the stupid articles about the whole topic but for no reason. I currently have a total written of 1.63TB in 38 days. That's less than 43GB per day which is far away from the about 156GB I could get each day based on the 512GB.
@hankshippovsky7546
@hankshippovsky7546 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! :-) Thank you very much, Professor Payne! :-))) Great answers for people like me, who are using computers, but have no idea of how they actually work! 🙏
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Prof Payne.... I like that but unfortunately.... I am just a Mr!
@hankshippovsky7546
@hankshippovsky7546 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio hey, you‘re at least „Professor“ Payne, I think...;-)
@crazyblob2860
@crazyblob2860 3 жыл бұрын
This is the most in depth video covering the issue. Thank you so much!!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Esh831
@Esh831 2 жыл бұрын
its been a week I bought the MBA 8gb + 512 gb variant so far I have never seen anything huge in terms of swap memory..I am a medium user.
@nickcorr7244
@nickcorr7244 3 жыл бұрын
Mark really interesting and explained in a way I could fathom. My Mac Pro Mid 2012 OS 11.2.3, uptime 3 days data read 27.7GB / written 26.35GB SSD 1TB Seagate FireCuda 120 SSD ZA1000GM10001. Thanks for a great channel.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thats write rate is nice small numbers :-)
@Teschnertron
@Teschnertron 3 жыл бұрын
Another great explanation. Thank you very much.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@familiarshadow1
@familiarshadow1 2 жыл бұрын
I've had my M1 for ~345 days: 67.5 TB writes comes out to ~195GB/day 1TB drive and usage shows only 2%
@jayeshmv
@jayeshmv 3 жыл бұрын
Such a brilliant and underrated video, hats off Mr. Payne.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Custard_Pie
@Custard_Pie Жыл бұрын
Wow, great video. Loving the depth of your understanding!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@rodrigo-5967
@rodrigo-5967 3 жыл бұрын
wow this is amazing, the explanation was clear and the video was very informative, keep up with the good job! (I even subscribed :) )
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@MahyarKa
@MahyarKa 3 жыл бұрын
I'm using my Macbook air "256 GB _ 8 GB" for "20 days" TBW=630 (32GB/day). Not a huge deal but I will be more careful and will observe the following days , although mind that we tend to write a lot more data when we get a new device, so no worries .
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Good numbers!
@mwang168
@mwang168 3 жыл бұрын
So, what's the expected life span for a 512GB SSD? 750TBW or 1PBW? Thanks.
@MIK33EY
@MIK33EY 3 жыл бұрын
First time ever watching your channel, will be back. Excellent explanation. 10/10 with a little bit of background history too. By the way, you are the first person I’ve ever seen on KZfaq to use an iPad Pro in a way that’s more than just a “teleprompter” let alone the Apple Pencil and certainly the first to screen capture from it rather than using an overhead camera shot.👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Out of curiosity what are you using to cast your iPad screen for capture? 🤷🏼‍♂️✌🏼
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, when I teach in a classroom I whiteboard a lot so this seemed to be a natural alternative for me. It took a while to find a WB that worked for me and this is MS Whiteboard, part of 365. I just screen record it on the iPad ... with audio so that I can sync it later in FCP.
@MIK33EY
@MIK33EY 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio you do it seamlessly; so much so that I was fooled into asking the wrong question. Honestly thought you were capturing on the fly rather than merging in the final edit. Maybe you could look into doing such & cut a step out in your workflow - capture over USB-C from your iPad Pro.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Arh... well I do capture on the fly. What you see me type on camera is what you are seeing on the capture screen. I have to merge and sync 4 elements. 1. The recorded audio... from a studio mic above me off camera (mostly ! :-)) 2. The main camera, 3.The screen captures from any demo computers 4. The whiteboard.
@salmam.7448
@salmam.7448 Жыл бұрын
You are amazing at explaining complex concepts!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Mats_73
@Mats_73 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation. I love your way of explaining things!!! Thank you Mark! :-)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@-Retired-
@-Retired- Жыл бұрын
Really well Explained! Thank you.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@joycesim
@joycesim 2 жыл бұрын
Best vids indeed, super enjoyable and educational
@kaitran
@kaitran 3 жыл бұрын
Great detailed video, sorry I only watched the last 10 minutes video, but how much RAM do you have in your machine?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
16GB
@Ababelone
@Ababelone 3 жыл бұрын
I‘m glad you made it clear and saved my weekend. I‘m very happy with my M1 Macbook Air 8/512. You are the man - ok you are 1 year older than me :-)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Thanks Mr 56! So young!
@godoscureful
@godoscureful 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark. This was such a nice video, congrats !. Nice edition btw. This might be offtrack but I was wondering… could you do a video talking a bit about how to take care of the M1’s battery ?. There are a couple of videos out there on youtube but I just love your way of explaining stuff !!! Thank you so much, and cheers from Chile >:D
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I have that planned!
@SP-qk5iu
@SP-qk5iu 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation as ever, thank you Mark! I have been watching your videos a lot now, and I must say, I am really enjoying these.This is for all as a question. I am on the verge of buying a Macbook, the only thing that I need suggestion with is; will Minitab software and Power Bi work on it? I have been researching a lot about this, but have not got a definite answer and that is stalling my first Macbook purchase. I would buy the 512 / 8. Would parallels do the trick for me, not sure
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry that I am not using Parallels or the other s/w you mention so I cannot add value there!
@SP-qk5iu
@SP-qk5iu 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for the reply Mark 👍
@danilorb7775
@danilorb7775 9 ай бұрын
Great class! Thanks for the info
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 8 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@bobdeadbeef
@bobdeadbeef 3 жыл бұрын
Well, my iMac 27.0 TB written, which works out to about 180 GB/day, which sounds about right for my usage, which is going to be hell of a lot more than most people see. 0 used from the wear pool. I've got a 2 TB drive, half full. My only real worry is running out of disk space. Well, no, it's running out of USB ports to plug an external SSD into... Part of the reason I listened to the whole thing was to understand what people's concerns were-just the generic write cycle issue, or if there was something driving a high rate. In all my years of heavy usage even with smaller, older SSDs, I've never once seen an SSD wear out, or fail in any way. I'm not denying it's an issue to consider in certain circumstances, just that my experience is far beyond the typical usage and wholly favors SSDs. Magnetic drives' record has improved enormously since the days when we cleaned heads on 80 MB washing machines, but "hard drive failure" is something I just don't think about anymore. There are so many other risks to our data to motivate backups! I knew 99+% of the material, so the pacing was slow enough for me to pay attention to how you were explaining. Every time I'd think "but you need to explain..." you'd be explaining it before I'd finish the thought. For example, cylinders... You did a really nice job (I think; I'm not the right test subject!) The big thing I didn't know about was smartmontools. Thanks for that!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob, your comments mean a lot. I too remember head cleaning! You just reminded me. We should have mentioned sector skew from one surface to another which allowed the data placement to be shifted positionally in the cylinder to allow for head switch latency, that just came back to me.
@bobdeadbeef
@bobdeadbeef 3 жыл бұрын
​@@MarkPayneAudio Yup. At an even lower level of detail was the low-level formatting with bit patterns to synchronize the bit clock, the sector address, so you could know you were reading/about to write the correct sector, a gap so you didn't overwrite the sector address, an ECC checksum at the end of the data capable of repairing something like 11 bits of consecutive error. A lot of details I don't remember anymore. Most of the time you could take all that as a given, but with a new model of drive, you would sometimes have to figure it all out. Disk controllers weren't as reliable then, either. I remember a few years later, when sealed "Winchester" drives were the norm, visiting a customer site with an unbootable system. Found in block 0 (which held a directory of bootable images), that a defective disk controller had written a 1 bit every N bits (the size of the write shift-register) whether it needed it or not. Replaced the controller, then set about figuring out which bits should have been zero instead, fixed them, and it booted. It was always kind of cool to identify a specific hardware failure from observed behavior at the software level. Found an ALU gate failure affecting a lesser-used operation once. The reliability levels required of modern hardware are astounding. This iMac can do in 1 second what would have taken hours on the system I started with (not counting the GPU!) and do it day after day without a single error.
@mejlgaardbliddal
@mejlgaardbliddal 3 жыл бұрын
Based on your excellent explanation I got a write per day of 41GB On my 512GB MacBook Air SSD
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thats all good.
@mejlgaardbliddal
@mejlgaardbliddal 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio Yes I know that do to your excellent explanation. of how to read the data in the log.had to rewatch the entering the correct command in the terminal a few times do to me making an error in how I wrote the command.
@2cvman1
@2cvman1 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for your explanation Ik have a 256 GB en have it sinds 22 febr. I have written in total 1110GB, that's about 39 / 40 gb per day... I'm safe! Thanks!!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Good numbers
@LindseyandCaleb
@LindseyandCaleb 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing this information. I'm a heavier user on my 1tb m1pro 16. I'm using 97.7gb a day on average. I will say that my computer has been using much less memory since a recent update so I'm sure that is helping me stay out of swap. SMART still shows 0% usage in 130 days of use. I'm happy to know that I will get a long life out of this computer and be able to pass it on for life after me.
@elradmanafov9822
@elradmanafov9822 2 жыл бұрын
This video is awesome. Thanks a lot for a great work! Subscribed 🤝
@emrekasgur4493
@emrekasgur4493 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, It's a nice and technical expression instead of empty words. Thank you very much. In short, my MBP ( 16/256) won't die in five years If I limit myself to 75GB usage per day. Good to hear that. So, I have one more question. Will SSD slow down over time?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I think this very unlikely and super difficult to measure... so no! :-)
@greenygreen5308
@greenygreen5308 2 жыл бұрын
Great info…but has resulted in a bit of a worry for me. 4 month old m1 iMac Done 190TB of writes (1.5TB a day). I only do basic tasks- Mail, Safari, Firefox, office (Libre) etc. No video editing, photo editing etc. Health already shows 10% used. At this rate it’s only going to last around 3 years. Humm this could end up being an expensive mistake!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
That's a lot of usage. 8Gb system? Have you identified the big virtual memory process?
@greenygreen5308
@greenygreen5308 Жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio yes 8GB system. I have monitored in the past 8 days (since my post above) and the writes seem minimal (10GB a day, so a factor of over 100 less than the 4 month average). So …. - maybe whatever was causing the issue has been fixed by an update? - maybe just some particular sequence of operations or app usage results in massive writes and I just haven’t done said sequence in past week? Either way the talk of this issue having been fixed by macOS 10.4 (as mentioned in a few places) is clearly not true as I’ve always had a more recent OS than that. I will continue monitoring. I’ve not tried to actually provoke writes by starting dozens of apps, opening huge photo edits etc etc.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
Sounds like it.
@taylorshin
@taylorshin 4 ай бұрын
All the calculations are done by Apple. Obviously, they are smarter than everyone on and visiting this channel including myself. But then a sudden death always happens... And when it happens, PC laptops can cope with just buying another SSD module. But not Macbooks. That's the primary difference.
@philipjin991
@philipjin991 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely in-depth video. Helped ease my nerves
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Cool!
@andrejpaskalev2617
@andrejpaskalev2617 Жыл бұрын
13-inch, M1, 2020, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD Creation date of my home dir 6 Feb 2021 (753 days old), written 506T 506 000 / 753 = 671GB Looks like I'm over .3. Now I have to watch it again because I didn't catch the part how much longer should this shit last. And I think I do nothing too crazy with my mac. I work as web developer, all those writes are from reinstalling node_modules, switching postgres dumps and having multiple tabs open in 2 browsers.
@francescocolangelo6900
@francescocolangelo6900 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, thanks for the nice video, it’s very clear but it triggered a concern: According to your arguments, I see that the DWPD should be a function of the actual free space instead of the total SSD space. Is that correct? And if so, would that means that we should seriously consider to always have a min of ~100GB free in our SSD? (Such that we can “safely” write our 100GBx0.3 = 30GB per day, which matches your estimation that we can assume as a typical number.) A feedback would be appreciated! Thanks!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
I like your thinking. The SSD can only write to the free space that is left. Unless the controller is operating some kind of re-write/migrate policy where old established data that we have read only attitudes to is migrated around so that the free space (as a result) is also being migrated around?
@istvi1328
@istvi1328 Жыл бұрын
martctl takes ONE device name as the final command-line argument.
@normjones6916
@normjones6916 3 жыл бұрын
You've made me more curious to use the terminal , whats a good resource to become unscared :)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so I am rusty but I learnt how to operating and administer Unix systems back in my computer career days with HP. macOS is Unix compliant. I used to teach Unix system admin to customers back in the day when people would attend a residential 1 week class for such a thing! This kind of resource is out there if you want to put some time into it www.guru99.com/terminal-file-manager.html
@entumesaoenlamia
@entumesaoenlamia 3 жыл бұрын
Thank u so much. It is very useful information, and a very clear explanation. Great job, sir.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome
@bluenicks_fpl374
@bluenicks_fpl374 3 жыл бұрын
Superb video, thank you for taking the time to explain the (non) issue. I've been writing ~200GB a day on a 8GB/512GB M1 Air. Percentage used: 0%
@bluenicks_fpl374
@bluenicks_fpl374 3 жыл бұрын
Just to update on this, having monitored for the past 24 hrs I've written 49GB to the drive. I've been running the Beta Big Sur since December, alongside Parallels Technical Preview and Microsoft Edge Insider so I suspect the cause was badly optimised software. The Epic Games launcher was also pummelling the CPU for a while before I noticed it on the Activity Monitor.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Good numbers
@REAZNx
@REAZNx 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, Although I've just done the calculations, and based on my swap usage, I estimate I only have around 400 days lifetime on my SSD. (Brand new mac btw). I have AppleCare and plan to upgrade after it ends anyway in 3 years, so I am not that concerned. Edit: for anyone wondering, my mac is 500GB and has used 3TB Data written in kernal_task (swap) in the last 7 days alone. Not including the 90TB Data units written in total so far for my 80-day old mac.
@kungfuthug101
@kungfuthug101 3 жыл бұрын
Your video was great
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You are a fast watcher... its just gone up!
@edgeoftech6345
@edgeoftech6345 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio I watch all videos at 1.75 speed, unless it is a song.
@liaketali
@liaketali 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for this very informative video. I recently impulse bought a discounted Mac Mini 8GB M1 with 256GB and mainly intend to use it to learn and use Logic (moving over from PC and Cakewalk). I plan on on using an external ssd to store my Logic projects as well as the Logic sound library and other plugin samples/sound libraries. I thought that this would be the best way to reduce writes on the internal drive. Is this a good idea?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I would say... dont worry about it. The excessive write thing was more about memory pressure than usage of the disk by applications.
@accentontheoff
@accentontheoff 3 жыл бұрын
It’d be great to know how many hours of use per day added up to that number for you. Great video, thanks.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure this number is useful because it depends on what I am doing when I am using the system?
@accentontheoff
@accentontheoff 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio Yes of course.
@zoiuduu
@zoiuduu 6 ай бұрын
i use windows 11, 1tb ssd, 25.3 tb written, 404 days, 63gb per day
@TheFourthWinchester
@TheFourthWinchester 2 жыл бұрын
There's also the fact that SSDs are fickle when the free space is less than 30% on a drive. My friend bought a MacBook Air based on my advice and she's getting insane 40GB+/day writes. All she uses it is for streaming content and almost nothing else.
@avinashnair5064
@avinashnair5064 3 жыл бұрын
Why edge and chrome is writting into ssd while browsing ? is it. a known issueS?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Dont know! I use safari!
@avinashnair5064
@avinashnair5064 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio thanks you
@bermylife
@bermylife 3 жыл бұрын
Have the base MacBook Air 8GB ram. After almost 1 week I have only 7.87GB Data written. Not sure why people are blowing up this data swap issue.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very real issue for some people.
@bermylife
@bermylife 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio that's the key "SOME people" the post and videos make it sound like its all m1 Macs
@tonyhamilton9942
@tonyhamilton9942 Жыл бұрын
Great vid! Thanks for the explanation. What if I'm going way over the daily limit? I have 20,72 TB written in less than a month on a brand new 256 gb Air. I wasn't planning on keeping this device for more than a year, but after doing the math it seems like I need to upgrade ASAP :(
@user-fk9nr9oj6t
@user-fk9nr9oj6t 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for all the information! I want to get a macbook air 16gb / 256 gb and I was concerned... But since I'm not into technology... What if the intergraded ssd fails ? Will I be able to start the system from an external ssd considering I already downloaded the operating system ?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Well you could do that but it would be a pain (boot from external drive). Integrated SSD failure is very unlikely. If this worries you then buy apple care with the system and then sell the system second hand after 3 years. As I said ... these failures are very unlikely.
@user-fk9nr9oj6t
@user-fk9nr9oj6t 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio thanks for your answer! i had a hard disk failure and i guss i left with a trauma hehehe
@tilleyroadaffairproduction6752
@tilleyroadaffairproduction6752 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there, did you make a video on external ssd drives lately? I thought you had mentionned you did in a previous video on Macbook air M1.
@dirtyharry1881
@dirtyharry1881 3 жыл бұрын
Hi and thank you for this video! Since I myself will be using my macbook air for some audio (16GB Ram / 256 SSD) can you describe a little what kind of usage have you been doing since you bought it? Edit: Something to consider: an SSD where the OS and all programs reside does not actually have the nominal space: for a 256GB your calculations should probably factor in the availability of 'disk' space which would be at best 180 GBs.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I would specify at least 512GB SS personally. I feel 256GB is a bit tight. If you watch my other videos in the playlist you will get a good feel as to my usage of the system.
@dirtyharry1881
@dirtyharry1881 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio "I feel 256GB is a bit tight". Yup! Well, I'm afraid I already bit that bullet, cause I had the opportunity to buy it at a discount. And tbh I found hard to invest more money on this new machines that noone knows if they're actually built to last. Apple's silence on the matter of swap memory does not inspire any confidence...
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