Real like never before 😂

So immersive!

Get flashbanged in game, feel it irl

10,000nits 2% / 200nits 100% haha 200nits flashbang on a 10,000nits display

Quick math​@@ameserich

It's because Linus is a shill so he will appeal to the most common consumer.

Maybe he's an Apple fanboi?

I would guess the aggressive Apple targeting, is meant to target everyone else than Apple.

Because companies follow Apple

probably because apple is the only company a normal consumer would know thats releasing a headset in the pricerange that could afford these kind of displays. (i assume they aint cheap)

Clicks.

No, most likely Samsung asked ltt to do it

Yeah I found that weird too.

This is the Samsung Displays booth, they supply Apple's screens

Because Samsung makes iPhone displays

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.

@@officialANON001 You can't even read, I clearly explained that in the comment. And no not only Apple would buy them (if they even do), but this will most likely be an integral part of all of the 2024 refreshes of Pixel and Galaxy phones and basically everything else on the market at this point. They are not Apple exclusive and especially the folding stuff is something that Apple won't carry for years to come.

@@cromefire_ I am primarily referencing the headset display tech. Which other companies will not be using anytime soon. Apple on the other hand could use it within the next 2 years.

@@officialANON001 Yeah well that would not have been as weird to talk about Apple in the Headset market (even if it's probably DOA), but in the laptop and phone market, you can of course also talk about Apple, but definitely not _only_ about Apple, it's especially weird to do that for foldables, as Apple is the only company high end smartphone company to *not* have one and we'll be seeing the updated tech in Samsung, Google and Xaomi phones soon. Same thing with Laptops, Asus and Co. are their customers, Apple primarily uses LG there I think.

If Apple does it the other industries will follow

Ooh, that'd be sick! Bring the Scrap Yard Wars energy to CES 2025!

1 component from each booth (no paired mobo/cpu etc) Have to convince them to sell it to you permanently No negotiating off-camera

rent free

Did you for real even watch the video

Made you click and even write a comment so it worked

Because its Samsung Display and not Samsung

Because Apple uses Samsung screens

Imagine the completely insane resolution those cmos chips would have at standard monitor sizes.

I am confused on why they kept referencing Apple at the Samsung booth, that definitely felt forced ... Did Apple recently buy into Samsung or something?

Apple is Samsung's biggest customer.

I mean the QD OLED stuff is being used in monitors right now. They're currently launching the second wave of them.

@@holdenhodgdon3756it’s cus of the apple vision pro. With Apple focusing into a glass that will focus on both AR and VR aspect, using this glass in them will get a much better result. Plus Apple is one of the biggest customers of Samsung Display and so they’re chances of incorporating this display in their VR glasses would be great. Imgaine how much of a size reduce they’ll be able to get along with better visual and performance results using this type of display

It must be a challenge or something lol

Probably because they've shared many parts over the years.

It was very weird

Gotta keep the lights on in the studio I suppose

I assume it's a way to exaggerate that this is Samsung Display (main apple display supplier) - a wholly seperate company from Samsung Electronics, just without having to specifically explain the difference, mention all the other customers they have etc...

yeah, I am not sure if anything could power that though yet

@mabey8048 don't need to render it natively, just eliminating the SDE is enough. And with DLSS we can do a decent job.

​@@xGaLoSx I feel like there is more real life graphics beyond eliminating the SDE.

@@mabey8048 SDE is why I'm not playing vr now. If it was a world of simple shapes but no SDE I'd be happy

We've had displays with 2500 PPI for a while. Over a decade. They've been used in the viewfinder of mirrorless cameras. For example, my Sony A7iv has a 120hz OLED in the eye piece. I guess they're just now being adapted for VR headsets.

I mean in terms of Displays no one comes close. it's like Nvidia of Displays while LG is like AMD. LG for years had their WOLED for larger screens and Samsung operated in smaller screens with AMOLED. but with QD-OLED Samsung has changed the game. not just taken over the TVs and Monitor Displays from LG but also entered the laptop segment too. they are also at the top of MICROLED tech (SAMSUNG WALL), once they manage to shrink it down and make it more affordable, it is just game over.

@@ExtinctInsanity I remember late 90ties early 2000s the last generations of CRT monitors of Samsung were suddenly really great and not just a reasonable low-budget brand anymore.

​@@MarcSpctr QD Oled still has the burn in issues after only a year of use while LG's WOLED is increasingly getting brighter and more reliable with nearly identical picture quality and saturation. Their new META 2.0 displays are going to be even longer lasting now too with improved MLA. For microLED it's a toss up between Sony and Samsung. I think if Samsung can combine MLA with Qd-OLED they will have the best display ever. Unfortunately it is patented technology

samsung didnt kill here anything they just bought a company to compete with sony

​​@@amazin7006 I have Sony QD-OLED panel, for well over a year now, no burn-in whatsoever. I heard to rumors, thus tested on my TV, and no burns. Picture quality is way superior to WOLED as well, I checked it myself as I also have previous sony TV as well that used LG panels. Yes, even that doesn't have any burn in yet and that is way past 5 years old. Maybe some TVs did have a manufacturing defect on Samsung's side, hope they fix it for anyone that has been affected. but I can say for sure, QD-OLED panels are just a league different from WOLED. If you haven't seen it in person, you won't understand it. Do visit a Mall/Showroom or someplace where they keep both display types like Wal-Mart or something like that edit: also I don't understand what you said about Sony and MicroLED, as I don't think Sony makes Displays. There are only 2 display makers globally, Samsung and LG and one more in CHINA, but their quality is way bad, and almost no big tech company uses theirs so it's like they don't exist outside of China.

Nice of them to put them on display.

@@ToreOnKZfaq oh

Screams FPV drones tbh.

​​@@ToreOnKZfaq grrrrrr

probably they making fun of them. from apple and samsung...

apple is a customer of samsung displays

Samsung displays are their screen providers

@@Tisounet i know, but Most companies get their Displays from them

Because they are the only ones that would use these displays?

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.

😂

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.

​@@officialANON001bro you've made over 50 comments on this video saying the same thing calm down. I know what Samsung Display is, it doesn't change fact that its very odd for LTT to be mentioning one of their customers every other sentence for the entire video, it feels really forced.

@@EoRdE6 I made 50 comments because people do not seem to understand what CES is or that samsung display is a seperate company. They mention Apple because they are the only ones that will use the new displays for headsets. CES is just a chance for companies to advertise new products to consumers and other companies. It is an exclusive event for that reason. Every video is some form of an AD either paid, scripted, or for bettering relations.

​@@EoRdE6try not to hate on linus since the drama: IMPOSSIBLE

@@officialANON001not like Apple doesn’t already know Samsung has these

Doesnt matter. Apple is the only ones who would use them. This is a samsung display expo.

The whole video is just so weird and it seems all editors have no ideas about the current OLED industry situation. Apple Vision Pro is using Sony OLEDoS and the SDC new technology Apple is going to use this year is Tandem OLED.

These micro oleds don't use a color filter and get way brighter with less power

Yeah this is exactly what they are doing, although he mentioned this one has 3500 pixels per inch but Vision Pro is just under that at 3,386 pixels per inch. But either way it is the same process.

Considering the brightness and pixel density it does line up that they're using one. It's speculated to be from Sony, which already has a Micro OLED On Silicon, since late 2022 if I'm not mistaken. The specs on the Vision Pro actually has similar pixel density(~3400 vs 3500) and higher brightness(5000nits vs 3500) than the one Linus looked at here, so this one from Samsung isn't even the newest or the most bleeding edge I believe. Part of the reason it's even that expensive honestly since barely anyone is using it

@@notlekrut Yeah and it's rumored the limiting factor of how many headsets they can make is by how many displays Sony can make. If Samsung is better at cranking out product, they might get the bid for screens in Apple Vision version 2

Then Apple will abandon it just like all their gen 1 products.

Yeah, the first to micro-OLED VR headsets that came out (Arpara and BigScreen Beyond) already showcased many of the benefits (though the Arpara was crap in many other ways), really hoping to see more headsets with newer and better micro-OLEDs being used in the future.

*will be It's not much of a "would" but only a matter of time.

Only question is can you actually drive a screen that pixel dense across a wide FOV with current GPU in a VR scenario - I'd suspect that it isn't very possible when doing all the 3d rendering for stereo vision too. Though foveated rendering or just keeping the FOV small will help, and even if you are rendering at a lower resolution and upscaling its going to look pretty darn good compared to the current displays. Really hoping the tech makes it to a VR headset soon as I've been in the market for an upgrade for a long long time now and keep putting it off for one reason or other (still using the original Vive).

@@foldionepapyrus3441 The BigScreen Beyond already is a pretty high resolution unit in terms of pixels per degree of FOV, and people seem to be able to run that. We don't really have to infinitely increase the PPD, but even just improving the persistence, brightness etc. that current micro-OLEDs struggle with a bit would be ace.

Sony makes microOLED screens with similar (in PlayStation VR2) and much larger (Apple Vision Pro) resolution. Samsung is just catching up to Sony here.

Every lens does lose some light because you have at least 2 material transitions (air - glass and glass - air) and any transition of material loses a bit of light, due to reflections and imperfections. The better the lens, the lower the losses generally, every material has imperfections and those either absorb light or refract it into other directions. Also as consumers don't really want huge headsets, it's pretty clear that there's no way around something like pancake lenses in the future, as they use less space.

@@cromefire_ That's all correct, but that's not the point I was trying to communicate. Not every LTT viewer will know about pancake lenses, which are specifically the reason why display manufacturers are investing in brighter displays.

I remember owning the first gen ipad and being underwhelmed by it

@@zergslayer69 iPad still is underwhelming. A glorified note taking device

first gen airpods max having tons of condensation issues.

And first-gen iPhone is nothing more than a basic phone and a mobile browser, there are no third-party apps or App Store.

​@@thunderingeagleI can kinda confirm. Use a iPad pro, and personally the hardware seems to be kinda bottlenecked by the software. Samsung has things like DeX and whatnot while iPad just feels like a bigger and less refined iPhone, with amazing hardware but not many ways you can make use of it.

They are the only ones coming out with headsets that could use this so it makes sense to only talk about them...

Fingers crossed for Valve, with their rumoured headset.

please god I hope its not standalone but just a streaming headset, we dont have the tech or physics to make them lightweight, so why not just use PC for processing.... why is this standalone trend continuing is beyond me@@madness1931

@@madness1931 they have had a rumored headset for so long I’m loosing hope 😢

@@TehSquiddleDiddle I've been waiting for Index 2 since like 2020. About 4 months ago I lost every hope we'll see a new Steam headset in the near future and just bought a Vive Pro 2 with the wireless adaptor to replace my OG Vive from 2018.

Exactly. This video was incompetent

Hopefully, they have the content minigun secretly locked away so Linus can't find it ~Jason437.

CES Season mean companies is pumping crack into LMG to made videos!

Is there a difference? No idea myself, but this sort of competition is never a bad thing!

Samsung is iPhone screen supplier So there's possibility

Brightness and power consumption to reach that brightness is way more important for XR devices than you’d think. Sony giving Apple Vision Pro (Gen 1) around 5000 nits displays. Needing dual stack white OLED with microlenses just to get there. Far from the 10,000 nits these microdisplays reach with just a single emitter stack and NO microlenses

You realize you're not actually blasting electrons at your eyes right lol, it only goes as far as the outer layer of phosphors, CRTS are far more eye friendly than LED light, not to mention the modulation method of CRT is much more gentle on the eyes thanks to the rolling-scan, LED on the other hand pulses on and off, cause the eyes to constantly contract on/off/on/off up to hundreds of times a minute. CRTs aren't just better looking and performing than LCD/LED tech, they are healthier too, the more you know.

@@Wobble2007 Yes, I do realise that.

3,386 pixels per inch

It's Samsung Display, not Samsung Electronics, so not really to troll Samsung, but still wired to single out Apple like this.

@@cromefire_ Yeah, and certainly Samsung display even is the supplier for screens on existing apple devices like the iPhone, but you still think that Samsung display would probably rather highlight the Samsung electronics applications of their technology over spotlighting 3rd party companies like apple. It’s clearly an editorial spin constructed by lmg.

@@jacksontint Nah Samsung Display doesn't care much about Samsung Electronics, but I'd they want to highlight that they have a huge variety of products and also how their existing customers already use that technology that's now updated.

Seeing as Apple often buys screens from Samsung, it would make sense..

You just figured out why in your second sentence.

He’s at Samsung Display…..who provide Apple a ton of screens.

The color saturation tech is a bit like following the eye and blurring everything that it's not looking at tech, both really cool when they actually get widely adopted.

I mean yeah it was absolutely awful when Apple popularized modern touch screens and showed the capabilities and efficiency of ARM! /s

Exactly. But their display is 3,386 pixels per inch which is a bit under.

not sure if they memeing or what but it was kinda cringe

Because they are the only ones who would use this anytime soon?

@@officialANON001 since when does apple put brand new tech on anything ? They have high quality, but they never take risky move like putting the shiny new tech in a device. Those aren't for apple none of them. Even if they are a huge client, not for this kid of tech-demo product.

@@vlycop7404 For Iphone no due to having to make too many. However for vision pro they are using the best possible displays. The new headset displays could bew used on the second gen. No other company is currently working on a super high priced VR line of products without a focus on gaming.

Because they are the only ones who would use this anytime soon?

@@officialANON001 If only samsung display was in the same group as another company that sell monitor, tv, computer, phone etc... They could even call that company Samsung Electronics... Also Apple is 10 year behind in term of tech, they can't release everything at once, they need to convince people to upgrade every year

Samsung display...

Apple orders their displays from Samsung Display

​@@ethanlenningso do many other companies

@@D4w2010 Not these displays no. No other company would be able to get their hands on these. Just like vision pro displays.

Thanks for your answers, now it makes more sense :)

Because Apple sources their screens from Samsung...?

Apple uses these.. don’t they?

Because their laptops are the closest to perfection, they perform well, they last all day, they're super thin, the sound quality is breaking the physics of such small size, all they need is cutting edge screens and they would be the perfect laptop.

Because everyone copies apple and competition is good? They can't control who uses the displays anyway.

Because apple actually pays for quite a lot of development. Look up the folded soft oled controller developed for the iphone x and the LTPO, which samsung dislays ended up manufacturing for the iphones in the end

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Point is why would you tell Apple to implement that on a headset you haven't even seen. Linus has no point of reference to what the Apple headset is even like.

that isn't gonna happen unless they come out with a device that's about 10% the cost of what that thing they are trying to sell is

@@dustinharvey7394 this is just a dev kit. The real mass market model won’t come out for another year or two.

​@@dustinharvey7394 Apple would be doing nothing for the industry by just making another Quest. They are making the most advanced headset they possibly can to open as many doors as possible. They need to convince people how amazing the tech is before they convince the 220 million people that buy iPhone and Apple watches that they need to buy this too.

​@@dustinharvey7394at least the competitors can learn from apples implementation for better user experience (like eye tracking and navigation). Although i dread the competition taking the WRONG inspiration from apple's headset. (For example "the notch" on smartphones)

@@dustinharvey7394 They kind of already have, the entire high-end segment of the XR market got disrupted. Various conglomerates (Google and Samsung in particular) are getting into the high-end XR market to compete with Apple. Varjo, which is one of the few high-end VR companies, has effectively cut their prices in half gen-on-gen (XR3 to XR4) while still making major advancements. It is likely that this mostly happened because of the downward price pressure by Apple. The sheer R&D that is being crammed out in the high-end this generation will inevitably benefit consumer products next-gen. If this is what $3000-4000 HMDs look like in 2024, I'm looking forward to seeing what the Meta Quest 4 and the Valve Deckard will be all about.

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.

@@officialANON001 Samsung is the #2 panel maker in the world. It's LG then Samsung. Apple may buy a lot of Samsung's panels but so do a lot of other people. Maybe don't talk about something you have no idea about.

@@KenS1267because Apple better, lmao. Only crazy how android users get so triggered about being #2

@@KenS1267 Yes they are and Apple is their biggest customer. When I say only Apple would buy these I am referencing the new panels for headsets. No other company has anything in the pipeline that could utilize them.

10k nits is bright, but not that bright... It'd say the projection surface of the projector is like ~10,000 times bigger than that display, which at a 10,000 nits results in a 1 nit image on the projection surface.

XD couldnt say it better, makes both companies a crap ton of money.

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.

IIRC the Bigscreen Beyond is also already using OLEDoS displays from SeeYa.

@@ChrisD__they are, though the reason i bring up the nreal/xreal air is they have the same claimed pixel density and get 120hz refresh at a lower price point(the previous model is under 300usd at the time of writing this and the newr ones aren't a big improvement newer go up to 500nits brightness, have better built in audio, and are slightly lighter) they can be used as an ar headset through the nebula software which is very limited or at least was last time i looked into it and there is a git to use them with steam vr which is pretty cool. the displays are from sony though so similar tech but not the same tech maybe?

Is this another ad?

@@riiobo ur moms an ad

Like he said, they sell the most amount of laptops per year so it makes sense to call out the most popular laptop company to use the latest of tech, especially knowing Apple is already Samsung's biggest customer for screens.

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. The only company on this planet that will use those are Apple so why talk about anyone else.

They already are ??

Why would we when we know that we are getting goated screens and ur not

I mean cool but nobody but Apple is actually planning to make anything that could use these...

Yeah that M2 in the vision pro is pretty weak compared to something like a PC (which is also where games actually are...) and it won't be able to make use of anything out of the Apple ecosystem, so it'll be a paperweight pretty fast and you'll also have to buy into Apple's ecosystem...

@@cromefire_ What? Of course its not as powerful to a PC its a tiny chip in a headset. Also the headset is not focused on gaming at all. It does not even have a controller. I think you are confused on the target market.

@@officialANON001 Yeah, they _try_ to target a different market. But in the end I'd say over 50% of the VR market is Gaming and it's unlikely that they will be able to get a foothold into industries as well, as they face both issues with actually useful things to do (yes they demo this stuff every year, but that's it, I've never seen anyone actually use this) and software as Apple doesn't really have a foothold in software in the industry, it's all Windows on the client side and the vision pro can't connect to Windows obviously. And I mean in industry, the supposed "target market" you don't need the creepy eye thing or the nice looking OLEDs, a cheap Quest 3 or even Quest Pro will be more than sufficient, especially if you do want more than a few of them. If they did target that market I think they just missed it by a mile...

I understand the sentiment. But the point of this video is that there’s a high price point for such a display technology. Apple is the company that could bring this to market. Linus just wants to see someone do it.

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.

These are all prototyped technologies, none of these things are products that are actively being sold. They are just reporting on emerging technologies.

Maybe he's just excited about emerging technologies. Almost like he built his entire career around this passion.

@@DanD-9mm This. And Samsung Display has always had some of the coolest shit to be found at CES for a long time.

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. It is CES it is an entire AD chill.

and not from apple so it can be compatible with actual hardware

Really be rather wasted on a monitor, heck even on a phone screen - you don't glue your eyeball to them let alone add additional magnification - over the viewing distances you'd expect for a monitor/phone its overkill. But it will be really great for anywhere that has optics in the path - could lead to really really sharp projectors, VR etc.

This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.

@@officialANON001 yeah yeah I know. It ain’t that deep. Still was funny to me 😂

They are talking about Apple because Apple could actully use these in their products. Samsung has no product coming in the next few years that would use this technology. It would be dumb to talk about what samsung could use these for.