Honestly would be surprised if a Gen 3 product wasn't "overall' better than a Gen 1

@@ApoCaLypSeXVII When something is 10x the price, you expect it to be much better regardless of gen.

@@mikeysimo86 7x, and also in general the tech is better. But a gen 3 product has way more time to develop good apps. Quest 3 user here and it kinda feels like using an adroid phone, versus the apple vision pros more computer like feeling.

Don't get me wrong, I still much rather havve the Apple Vision Pro given all its use-cases for me. The Quest 3 feel more like a toy after I tried VS Pro. The price will always be high on any first gen. I expect optimizations and more accessible prices in the future@@mikeysimo86

Love Apple - but after buying the quest 3. It’s truly amazing, $3500 for little better resolution or eye trackin? Nah. I’ll just wait for quest 4…

Because all the other headset does is play games

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu not really you can do computing too with them, as shown in the video. I think the best use case for these are games anyway tbh

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu you're proving OPs point. I've been coding on a meta quest 3 since it's release with 3 virtual monitors.

@@likwidsageHow is it like to code with HMD compared to physical screens?

@@koomei2 It really depends. The screen itself is good enough to get by on, but it won't be anything near a 4k screen. The really nice thing about it is the virtual environements and the ease of which you can move screens around. If you're like many of the devs I know and use lofi (or any music really) in the bg to help code, virtual environments is like the next step. It really helps in putting me into the mindset. That said, it's not a permanent thing. There are times where I'll sit at my desk and instead of using the 3 monitors I have, I'll use immersed (linux compatible virtual display). But there are other times where I feel like taking it off and just use my actual monitors and setup.

and some UI upgrades, appke's ability to move windows anywhere and separate them is convenient, and I feel like the quest could totally do it too

@@doctorduck2000This is actually something that meta have already started on even before the vision pro was released. Very big UI updates coming for quest 3 in the relatively near future!

he hasnt even released a pro version for the quest 3 . the apple vision pro is 3500$ , and thats retail price, that shit goes way above its msrp. the quest 3 is less than 600$

@@gamehints sources? Im curious, bc placing windows where i want is the only thing that i miss on my quest 3 (well eye tracking too, but quest pro had worse overall hardware so i skipped it)

@@0311mitza metas CTO, Andrew bosworth himself answered some questions in an Instagram live. He says they've been working on overhauling the UI for the questOS. I'm hoping it comes before the end of this year. Since he says "I don't have a timeline for you, it's not super soon" We can only speculate when it will be released.

Absolutely. Quest has also seen considerable improvements via software updates over the past 6 months. So much went from “controller only” interaction to “hands are a viable option”, passthrough got much better, etc.

Been using VR since I kickstarted the CV1. Since then I’ve owned a Vive, Quest 2 and now Quest 3. The difference between the CV1 and the Quest 3 is insane. It’s like going from VHS to Blu-ray. FOV still isn’t where I want it and I can’t wait for the day they’re able to fix the glare (which is worse on Quest 2) but regardless I’ve been absolutely blown away by my Quest 3. I still think most stand alone games look like trash (Asgards Wrath 2 & CitraVR is sick though) but damn does it look good on PCVR. The Quest 3’s pass thru is downright bad compared to the AVP but compared to the Quest 2 it’s atleast useable. There are some really cool MR experiences too. The resolution on the Quest 3 is good enough to comfortably watch movies on too. The new KZfaq update allows 4K finally and looks sick as well even when stretched to the biggest screen size possible. God I can’t wait for the day we get a Quest headset with similar spec’s to the AVP. If they make a Quest Pro 2 with OLED and higher resolution / FOV (even if just slightly better) I’d happily buy it for $1,500. The AVP is just too much for me right now for what it is. If it came with controllers and allowed PCVR then it would be worth it tbh. If they can get the AVP down to below $2,000 or if Apple releases a cheaper one in a few years, I’ll get one then. A secondary big price of the AVP is that i feel like I’d be wasting money if I didn’t also purchase a MacBook because of how they work in tandem and spending $5k -$6k just to be able and spatially use a MacBook Pro for content creation and media consumption is just way too much.

@@KalaniMakutu Now Quest now supports both the use of Controllers and Hands tracking at the same time. Imagine an experience where you use the Controller for precision interaction and hand tracking for other stuff. Crazy

I've seen so many reviews of Vision Pro where people are raving about things that have been common place in VR for years. It's hilarious to see. If this gets a renewed interest in 3D movies and 180 and 360 videos than cool.

@@sonicsnake44 Before the release of Apple Vision Pro, Virtual Reality (VR) and Augmented Reality (AR) were not widely discussed, except for a few exceptions. However, since the launch of AVP, even non-tech reviewers are now talking about it. Many individuals, including myself, have never owned or experienced a VR/AR headset. Nevertheless, they enthusiastically express their excitement about AVP because it is their first HMD experience.

All of this! Side quest with the ability to side load content alone devastates the OS of the AVP

They will have nothing 😂😂😂 The goal isn’t to run Remote Desktop or play games. That’s not spatial computing my guy That’s you stuck in the 1980s

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu🤦‍♂️

​@@RunForPeace-hk1cu "Spatial computing" is marketing BS. It's VR/MR/AR/XR, and Apple does it poorly. How is more functionality a bad thing? Quit trolling trying to justify Apple's expensive dev kit.

Yeah, even meta had huge R&D costs but they don't add on an extortionate ​price tag to the consumer. @@ArgonautArcade

lol true

That’s why I bought quest 3 haha 😂

Same

I returned my AVP today and purchased a Quest 3. Mark must be loving the free press.

@@castin9097as if you can buy the apple vision pro

TL;DR Only vr users will do comparisons, non vr users will buy vision pro. Not many care about gaming, there are more people in the world caring about having a big huge screen to watch the best cinema experience they can have at home than playing some games... I consider AVP = TV/Monitor for entertainment(movie,serials,anime,youtube)/work (trading,coding), and Quest 3 = Vr games. Which is why I won't buy a VR headset intended for gaming and I'd rather have my own cinema at home. Long version: This argument makes no sense. Apple has never marketed its products for versatility. LITERALLY every Apple product competitor has more versatility. They simply aren't 'versatile.' Their marketing focuses on doing small tasks exceptionally well and efficiently, surpassing the competition. This is why they never mentioned 'VR' in their presentation. They want this to be more than just a hub for living in virtual reality; they emphasize 'AR.' While they currently offer a headset because they can't execute AR directly yet, it seems that's their ultimate goal. Overall, I believe these comparisons overlook something important. Out of 8 billion people, only 171 million are VR users. There's a vast market beyond that. Despite claims of 'better product' and 'versatility,' VR hasn't attracted everyone. Apple is likely to take a different direction, attracting new customers who have never used a VR headset before. Thus, the comparison only holds weight for those 171 million VR users. For everyone else, there are gaming VR headsets and the Apple Vision Pro for work and cinematic experiences. Hence, the comparison is nonsensical. Even macOS is marketed as a productivity OS, unlike Windows, which macOS users often view as a 'gaming OS.' Your average Joe with an iPhone and MacBook, if they're in the Apple ecosystem, would opt for a PlayStation for gaming rather than a gaming Windows PC. Apple is simply catering to its own customer base, rendering these comparisons irrelevant. I use a MacBook Pro and macOS daily, reserving Windows for gaming. While I've tried VR gaming before, it's not my cup of tea. I find the physical activity required while gaming in VR annoying; I prefer going to the gym for that. When I saw the Vision Pro, I realized I could replicate the cinema experience at home, which surpasses TV. If the Apple Vision Pro can provide a 1500 hours of entertainment, it's equivalent to $15k worth of cinema tickets (going to cinema 750 times). Of course, not everyone shares my perspective. I've said enough; this wasn't specifically addressed to you, but rather for others who might find it relevant, given the context of your comment.

​@@harnageaaif some want a cinema, they should just buy an 85" OLED for the same money.

​@@harnageaa they don't mention VR (or AR) because Apple likes pretending they're doing something different even when it's mostly branding. They can call it "spatial computing" if they want, but it's clearly an AR device (or XR).

​@@harnageaa The quest 3 is a better monitor replacement device than the AVP. The only thing the AVP does better than the quest is native web browsing, but that is nowhere near as productive as just streaming a second, third, or fourth display from your computer to the headset.

Lets also not forget games. Of you even moderatly enjoy VR gaming which can be an amazing experience offering immersive worlds (Asgards Wrath 2, next gen fitness applications (beat saber, punch out) and a whole slew of VR versions of top titles (Skyrim VR, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Resident Evil) then Meta Quest 3 simply completely blows AVP out of the water. As a gamer, I would not even chose the AVP if it was CHEAPER then the Meta Quest 3! Oh yeah and also no 8k nature videos (wink, wink) allowed on AVP although they probably already jailbreaked that knowing that community.

👀👀 haha finally got it out bro

@@TausifHussain you cant exclude price from the evaluation of the best 'product'

@@scytob well, price is always a critical factor, you can never exclude it. Economically feasible is one important factor in product development. Otherwise, it's just like those communist countries do: do something at any cost. Well, we all know what happens.

nope, more like a peugeot and a bmw yes they can both drive you to your destination, and the peugeot might even make it with less fuel consumed . but there is obviously more tech and driving fun with the bmw. looking at all the hardware packed in the avp the price is normal. the ecosystem is only weeks old compared to the quest who had years, i mean my gaming laptop is more expensive and no body bats an eye@@ernahubbard2062

…when poor ones deceive themselves 😂

He just means premium materials. But yes, in terms of durability, Q3 is definitely more durable and I mean, it has to be. You are gonna hit a wall at some point with those controllers playing games. Source: me

"Because if you drop both, I can tell you easily which one will break first." I don't think its very clear which one will break first. Then again, I don't know how durable the quest is.

@@cyberking2712 Funnily enough, there's been reports of the glass on the AVP cracking right down the middle just from regular use. No drops necessary.

Same here. Got a Q3 two weeks ago and was like „it’s so cheap“ 😅 I am definitely an Apple fan boy and don’t like Suckerberg. But here I am completely opposed for some reason. Q3 feels limitless for that price and the AVP is just waaaay to expensive and limited the way only Apple can limit things. Despite being an Apple fan boy I still hate some things. For half the price it would maybe become interesting. But then it’s still so limited. Without having controllers I feel the AVP will never have the same usability as the Q3 has now

I've tried both. And apart from the better pass through mode on Apple Vision(no apple, its not "pro"), I'm afraid the lizard man takes the W on this one

@@binarysun_ Say what you want about how Facebook is run and how their data collection practices work and things like that, (Facebook has thousands of employees, I don't put all the blame on Mark.) but I honestly think Zuckerberg is on our team, at least on the VR side of things. The way I see it, Zuckerberg cares more about VR than most people on this planet right now. He has been willing to lose billions and sell these headsets at a loss just to move the needle in the industry. It is making me like the guy more and more the more I hear about his passion for VR. While I do not agree with everything Meta does, like buying up PCVR studios just to shut down competition and refusing to partner with creators who do not say what they want to hear, these things are just business. I think both Meta and Mark are a net good for this industry and I hope to never see him go anywhere, because if anyone else took his spot at Meta, they may not be willing to sacrifice as much as he is.

​@@MrZeddddd The use of State of the Art AI has made Zuckerberg act a little more human recently and he's starting to evolve into an organic android

​@@xander396The main problem with Meta rn is that their Quest Platform is truly shitty for developers to make apps for it. You need to download 4 different programming environments and switch between them everytime u wanna change something in your app rather than just ONE

yeah, i cant imagine a shooter game using finger guns lol. They need some typa controllers, which is probs gonna cost like 500 dollars. Also there is no reason for devs to make AAA vr titles for the AVP, since all the consumers are youtubers that only use it for like a week and then throw it away :)

Apart from the fact that it supports only one account, meaning no one else other than you can use it.

i dont see how the whole "its not for games its for productivity" bs is actually believable to these people. If i needed to get stuff done i wouldnt be a gonk and wear a vr headset. If i wanted to watch a movie in a virtual environment i would just use a quest 3 like there is no other purpose for buying a vision pro other than marketing

​@@gorillaglue2560 It's also a redundant point because using VD and steamVR the quest 3 can actually replace multiple monitors for use with a computer.

Well said. I own them both. I LOVE APPLE. However, with no ecosystem, I feel duped by Apple. It's been a month and it's already a paperweight for me. My brand trust went down in Apple. It's hard for me to like Meta, but I find myself using the Q3 often.

Whole video felt like a fanboy realizing his $4000 paperweight with no software isn't as revolutionary as he originally thought.

Yall need to chill lol. You guys don’t realize you sound more fanboyish than even me 😂

@@TausifHussain Maybe you should ensure your videos are as logically consistent as they are well presented.

Nah. Just a natural aversion to apple fan boys in general.

​@@TausifHussain Quest 3 just hits different. The only thing the apple vision is good for is movies but my tv is more comfortable and i can watch it with friends, your fighting a losing battle.

Especially because more weight sucks, If you strap this to your head for a few hours. Really crazy :D

exactly

Exactly :))

yeah, these are mostly all the people who never had an HMD, and who always said I won't buy one until apple builds one. Yeah...congratulations.

As a non user, it’s funny to see the OG quest fans throwing jabs at Apple lol. Because Apple is offering the super high end product and possibly soon to retain iPhone status in VRXR. But seriously It could be a win win. With more headset makers pushing adoption.

The thing is, there is nothing new in the AVP. The only difference is the high quality see-through, the higher resolution and the very precise eye tracking. This comes with the higher quality cameras and sensors in combination with a faster CPU. Which is not such a big stunt if you sell your product for 3000$ more. And on the other hand, Apple didn't really care about VR when it comes to the software actually offered, and the missing controllers. Technologically, apple is pushing nothing here and with this price they are also not even pushing the market.

Meta will infuse their VR headsets with updates like steroids. It is and always will be a better product than Vpro. Larger viewing angle, bigger and sharper lenses, no motion blur, no cables attached, joysticks and PC gaming compatibility, lighter, etc..etc.

Exactly. Also, if you're more interested in PCVR than anything else, then the Pico 4 is an even cheaper alternative, which doesn't give money to Meta (but to TikTok instead, so evil vs bad, chose your poison).

yeah and th AVP wasnt even the first product of its kind, look at products like the Quest Pro and Microsoft HoloLens. More research could definetly have been done for this video :)

Sir, the AVP buyers are still considered early adopters lol. The title of an early adopter is not based on each industry only. It can be based on product lines for a brand as well. I don’t know why you guys are triggered lol, I’m new to the space and I made that clear in my video. Rather than welcoming and appreciating the fact that unlike 99% of other KZfaqrs, I’ve tried to do my research, and gave quest 3 a huge positive rating, yall are up with pitch forks lmao 😅

@@TausifHussain I appreciate your desire to learn more about this type of product. A lot of people just don't try. I've been into VR since very early on, and I understand people's frustrations with the new people in VR thinking that apple is the first to do all these things. That said, I don't think it's ever a reason to hate on someone for not knowing something new to them. The only thing we should do is just tell people the truth. Not ridiculing them for not knowing it.

@@TausifHussain stop exaggerating and virtue signaling to make your self feel better about the fact that nobody agrees with you

that would be the quest rift bro not the quest 1

Can’t argue the value with the quest 3. It’s amazing.

I would only consider it the better product if your mainly a gamer, productivity the quest lacks with its hand tracking and productivity

@@justanotheryoutubechannel1316 depends on what you’re doing. Art tools without controllers will be hopeless for AVP. Gravity Sketch on Quest is really cool.

@@justanotheryoutubechannel1316 I`ve worked full work days in the Quest 3 [ Tier 2 Help Desk ]. It has all the tools one needs to be just as productive as the Vision Pro, if not more. Example, the AVP can only display one screen from the Macbook, the Quest can display up to 5 with the immersed application. The Quest actually has a lot more native productivity Apps than the AVP as well. But ultimately it's up to the person to BE productive, not the tool. By the way I did demo the Vision Pro, and I think it's incredible, but I think it will be a lot better in a year or so, when it has more native applications.

@@justanotheryoutubechannel1316 How exactly does the Quest lack in productivity? I work in my Quest 3 daily... Microsoft Office, Virtual desktop and many other apps... I've even installed an app that is teaching me to speak another language with social interaction. And its hand tracking works just fine.

You’re probably a teenager

Yea, but that's not the market Apple is going for. No where in any of there marketing, did they talk about games, other then using the AVP as a window into a TV screen, and then playing games on that.

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu I'm actually 45 but enjoy a bit of gaming, especially sim racing. Plus, I know my kids would absolutely love a lot of the games available on Quest devices.

Well, I'm not and I would pick the Q3 as well, no wires, open platform, and solid game library. You could have the best VR headset in the world, it means nothing if you don't have any apps / games on it people want to use

@@TheRealMafoo yeah, I get that. For their target market, the AVP is an amazing bit of tech (but the price is insane). I just wonder how many people will actually regularly use the device in this way once the novelty factor wears off. Mixed Reality (like VR) is completely mind blowing at first but unless there's real utility or entertainment (e.g. gaming) then the overhead and awkwardness of wearing a headset quickly takes over.

Never thought of it this way but that's actually the case.

AVP is not a gaming console 😂😂

AVP is not a gaming accessory. They are not trying to replace the Vive, or Quest with it. They are trying to replace your TV, and Ipad/PC with it. Will it work? who knows. But it's marketed as a productivity and content consumption device, and not so much a gaming device

Regardless of what it's made for, it doesn't have any extra use cases for it that can't be done with much cheaper headsets, even productivity wise. I couldn't find any reason to not return it for $3500. And the only reasons I can see as a reason to buy/keep it is the "elite because Apple" factor and the promise of a future device that might be able to replace a pc/tablet/phone, but it's not going to be this one. If you just want one because you want to support Apple or just like tech that much, that's completely fine. I won't ever tell anyone how to spend their money. But as far as actual use goes, there is nothing this does that warrants $3500 or anything remotely close to that.

@@likwidsage I think most people, say you should not buy it. I think the reason it's $3,500 is so people won't buy it. The goal is to get enough into the hands of users to iterate it, and then V2 will be something for the masses.

@@TheRealMafooThat's possible, but it doesn't really change the fact that this machine is a very expensive machine that has little to no use case for it. Selling a $3500 beta device leaves a bad tasted imo.

Yeah the Vision Pro is a worse product overall if you're someone who regularly uses headsets already and wants to keep doing the same things. Even if you get the Vision Pro to connect to a PC and use SteamVR for things like VRChat or Half Life Alyx, you would need to pay for controllers and base stations, and manually sync their position with the Vision Pro for every session. It just doesn't work well.

Wait until apple announce their controller. All the people bash Quest 3 with its controller will start saying Apple’s controller is genius and the best thing ever.

​@@hellovagimYou're probably right. And each controller for the Quest 2 is $75! I can only imagine how much Apple would charge for what I sure they would call premium controllers.

Can pair Xbox/PS controllers to AVP already.

​@@MikeLikesChannel that's simply not the same at all. It's like comparing keyboard to a mouse

@@MikeLikesChannel you can't play interactive vr games with a xbox controllers. I can already play console games on a tv. so that does not offer anything new or unique

Ummmmmm.. Is it?.. Its built for a different market... and its probably better for that market. No.. I own neither... But have you tried both? I haven't....

If you're a gamer, absolutely. If you're trying to use it as a computer, absolutely not. It's like saying "trucks are better than Ferraris". For hauling stuff, no question. But on a racetrack they'd get smoked ​@Rhythmattica

@@Eagle__1 I don't know. Quest 3 has been a pretty great content creation computer and good companion tool to the PC. I've never known Apple people to be very computer literate. They just consume content with their one button mouse.

Software aside it's definitely better than the Quest. If Microsoft comes with an XR headset then all bets are off Edit: a lot of music and video producers use Macs

​@@Eagle__1 ????????? what productivity apps do you think work with apple vision pro and not almost any other vr headset lol, you can use virtual desktop with like any headset.

So bold of you to assume it was because of the avp…

The competition benefits the costumer yes. But so far the only update which was forced by Apple competition was to change how you open a menu with hand tracking on and it's bad. Generally any influence Apple does on any market is bad. Meta handtracking was updating non stop for the past 1.5 years and it was getting better no matter what Apple does. Same goes to passthrough it was getting better each update no matter what. Because that's what meta does to Quests. Have you seen the update list for q2? The thing got like twise more powerful since the launch simply by software updates. They even made microphones better with a simple software update Meta rocks when it goes to updating stuff. I bet quest 3 on the end of its product life is gonna be a completely other headset

Two 4k 85" old screen cost more than the Apple Vision Pro. Add 12 cameras, 6 microphones, 5 sensors, a M2 computer chip, an R1 chip,a 3d camera 23 million pixels combined screen... I'd say the Apple Vision Pro is cheap as all hell.

@@Zeltaris 2 one inch 4k Displays equal 2 85 inch 4k displays... got it! The amount of cameras, sensors etc is pointless! All you should care about is the end user experience! For that... all you get is a higher res display with motion blur, lower field of view etc the the quest pro. But hey you get slightly better hand tracking... but that hand tracking has a crazy amount of latency unlike quest 3! The only good attributes aka the Display and hand tracking aren't even clear wins! Display I would say even with all the downsides is SLIGHTLY better but with gaming... absolutely not, hand tracking is more consistent but has worse latency therefore slightly better for most people.... in gaming the hand tracking latency is very important though so the quest 3 hand tracking is better for a lot of people. Slightly better camera quality is the only clear win... but again the motion blur impacts the quality you see so... STILL NOT A CLEAR WIN. This is a 3500 vs 500 dollar product!

It lacks good software It lacks controllers It lacks sideloading and modding It lacks social apps It lacks a company that cares about its userbase. Apple will make it fancy, but they operate under the same laws of tech and the same laws of physics as everyone else.

gotta come in glasses format. it will take sometime obviously

@@BritishBoyEverything you listed is not on the first gen but will eventually come down the line, and that is why Mark Zuckerberg is so threatened. The Vision Pro is good for the competition because now, everyone will be outdoing each other.

Give mark 4k per set , quest 4 would be much better than apple . apple is alot about branding as they are about good products . but i recently see that they are putting more emphasis on profits , dividends .

All tech starts somewhere… it think it has to be perfect from the get go is unrealistic. Apple have to condition people to get used to spatial computing and the only way to do so is getting it out in the wild and let early adopters figure out how to optimally use the VisionPro. Apple will make appropriate adjustments based on user feedback By AVP4, you will have something ready for prime time That’s how all Apple products work

its in the news already . many people are returning the sets . if you told me its 1.5K i might still consider getting it .

its due to more than that, this can be easily demonstrated, it's partly due to the software defined optics. For example step left and righrt vs turn head left and right and you will see more blur any time there is a rotational movement of the head. Also you can prove this by moving windows vs moving - there is far less blur when juts moving windows. Also try blur busters tests, it actually fails the persistence test (fail is good) as it has very low persistence.

LCD has way higher persistence than OLED. U R 100 % wrong. OLED has almost no motion blur compared to LCD. I have an LG OLED tv (120 hz) and a 390 hz LCD monitor on my work desk and I see the differences for hours a day. (i also own 2 OLED VR headsets) Don't blame OLED, blame apple OLED pixels can change must faster than LCD, so inherently less motion blur. Some people even complain that OLEDs have TOO LITTLE persistence to watch 24 fps movies Maybe try knowing about what you're talking about before spouting completely wrong info. The inherent time of OLED pixels to change is 0.1 milliseconds, the fastest LCDs are realistically 2-3 milliseconds, that's why LCDs top out at 390 hz because the pixels cant change faster than that. But future OLEDS will be able to do far more hz.

@@diebygaming8015I believe it’s a problem with micro oled displays like what is in the AVP, but I may be misremembering

yes Fanbois being fanbois

That’s dope! Yeah the Vision Pro just feels like mind reading haha! Yeah if you liked that def give the quest 3 a run. Might be the best in between right now.

Lol, there aren’t cheaper options available to the AVP. There are though, more expensive options to the quest. Get your facts straight.

​@@breeknowit's the other way around. You can't use AVP as you can quest but you can use quest as an AVP. But calling it "cheaper options" feels like Apple invented entire field and then copycats kicked in when infact it's the Apple to be a copycat and steal pretty much entire design

@@holesmak you agree with me, then….

@@holesmak I wouldn’t buy an AVP for 500 dollars, but I would buy another quest 3. Lol.

Thank you for making the time brother!

Yeah this take makes a lot of sense. I mean The product is very early. When the iPhone first came out they didn’t even have an App Store. So all things considered, I think in due time Apple is going to really impress with the apps and experience.

lol, you do realize its 1st gen and plenty of content will come out, shocking how people dont look at the amount of amzing tech that is being created, but they want the whole house on day 1

@@chocktalk It's important to review a product for what it currently is, not only based on future promises. Apple is pushing the marketing very hard on what the headset could be, vs. what is currently is because they know that is its main downside. Once the wow factor is gone, it's only useful to those willing to make the numerous compromises of working in a VR headset.

@chocktalk if you think there will be that many ground breaking apps for Vision Pro before the Next Gen you're delusional

@@chocktalk Products are rightfully compared to their current rivals, you can not ignore the current product and compare some imaginary future product instead!

yes he is a fan boy . silly fella really . 4k budget for mark >> can u imagine ??? this apple VP is letdown and many are returning their sets ...its in the news already . the weight and cable + blurriness to the side for me is a killer .

That makes a lot of sense. Given your use case, this is a no brainer. Great decision and way to go! Glad to hear you’re enjoying it!! Thanks for watching brother!

@@TausifHussainwhat i’m excited for is the fact that vsion pro will eventually be affordable down the line..and i’m exactly the kind of person that will buy every model of the vision down the line…and with it’s vastly superior processing power, im pretty sure the guys over there at Apple will eventually make a social app similar to VrChat. VrChat is the Ready Player One of the current VR landscape..

Oh, btw, VrChat is a 10 year old VR social space

You are very kind with your words . actually the vision pro doesnt even have a better field of view and the blurriness when slightly away from the sweet spot is very obvious . the sweet spot isnt big as well, what more with that silly cable ( so 90's ) and price ? the apple care on the vision pro can buy up your quest 3 . Give mark a 4K budget and he can give you a much much better product than apple's .

You don't even need to compare just the products, how about if we compare it by price. A $3500 AVP vs $500 Q3 + $3000 PC to connect it to.

Great points! I’m definitely learning more about the quest 3 daily. It’s so much more that what it seems.

It’s like telling people not buy cars for millions of $. 😅😅😅 just buy what you can afford dude

@@sahkaarnold2653 Bro you have no idea

@@sahkaarnold2653 you could buy a super computer to play games doesn't mean you would

When I get mine it won’t be for gaming. It’ll be for the incredible movie experience. The Quest 3 feels like you’re watching content at around 1080p. The $$$ I’m willing to spend is for the OLED, and secondly to get away from the awful meta UI.

@@James-lw3gi TRUE. I didn't say Quest was perfect. But life is more than watching high definition movies. In the quest, you can simulate any profession and learn new skills. You can experience things you could never do and socialize with people. So far, in my research about Apple Vision, I have seen that people state that they feel lonely. In addition, it is certain that only controllers and handtracking can work together, and different improvements will come later with artificial intelligence. So, they may soon add foottracking or update other technological developments. You cannot do the same thing in Vision. Hand and eye tracking are nice but very limiting features. If they had combined these with a controller, be sure that no one would talk about Quest. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple tries to sell extra controllers soon.

Videos look very good in Meta Quest 3 and you can make the screen as big as you want. Above all, the Meta Quest 3 can do real VR180/VR360 3D videos, the AVP cannot.

4k videos look rich and super quality

Actually no, it's due to the fact that the AVP uses (micro) OLED screens vs LCD screens in the Quest 3. It's also the reason why the AVP has deeper blacks. But OLED has persistence issues which cause motion blur. It's a trade-off. Hopefully at some point in the future well have screens that have both good color reproduction and low motion blur.

@@quintesse motion blur gives u migraine . lesser blacks doesnt . i dont need the finest finest colour that only is obvious when compared side by side . like how u grade diamond colour . i do need less blurriness . the vision pro , for + 7 times the price is a let down . Mark will give u a better product for 4K price .

the motion blur of the AVP is really, really bad. You don't notice it as much until you go back tot he Quest 3 - and everything is sharp and doesn't move at ALL. I actually prefer the quest 3 when watching immersive video. I can't believe Apple let this product go out with persistence not properly calibrated. Not all OLEDs have that type of motion blur@@quintesse

@@quintesse This is the correct answer

@@quintesse U R 100 % wrong. OLED has almost no motion blur compared to LCD. I have an LG OLED tv (120 hz) and a 390 hz LCD monitor on my work desk and I see the differences for hours a day. (i also own 2 OLED VR headsets) Don't blame OLED, blame apple OLED pixels can change must faster than LCD, so inherently less motion blur. Some people even complain that OLEDs have TOO LITTLE persistence to watch 24 fps movies

using Quest 3s work apps suck. You are basically using a WebApp that is barley compatible. The built in Remote desktop is also pretty garbage, but with a third party app is decent.

In terms of passthrough and display resolution, yeah. In terms of use... Other headsets are way better in that way.

I am still waiting for the options to group app 😂 I have way too many apps on my Q3

When you gonna come over..

It's a step back imo. It's even heavier, has wires and requires a detached battery back. Those were all things I thought were past with HMDs.

​@@likwidsage detached battery is honestly nice I think that should be in some gaming VR headsets. Infact id more the processing power there aswell and go with something like bigscreen beyond on my face. However this design is very niche. Didn't expect that from Apple.

at that point meta would do the computation in some kind of backpack and put multiple battery packs so you can play as long as you want

Nah, I'm guessing $600 vs $1950. Quest 4 will catch up to AVP1 but AVP2 will fix most of the limitations that Quest 3 already had solved.