Arcelin Mousqueton: An 1850s Breechloader with a Ludicrous Bayonet

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The Arcelin system was a capping breechloader provisionally adopted by the French military in 1854. It was a bolt action system with a folding bolt handle, firing a paper cartridge. It impressed Emperor Louis Napoleon III in initial trials, and he directed it be used to arms his elite Cent Gardes bodyguard. More extensive testing showed that it suffered from insufficient obturation, and would would with extended use, eventually becoming so difficult to close that bolt handles would break. Its adoption was rescinded, and it was replaced by the Treuille de Beaulieu 9mm pinfire carbine in Cent Garden use within just a few years.
The most distinctive element of the Arcelin in use was its bayonet - a true full-length sword complete with brass handguard that could be clipped to the muzzle. This was chosen for its impressive length, although it would have been cumbersome if used beyond ceremonial guard duties.
Thanks to the Cody Firearms Museum for allowing me access to film this very rare and very cool musketoon and its bayonet! Check them out here: centerofthewest.org/explore/f...
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@dutchplanderlinde4845 4 жыл бұрын

“That’s 65% more bayonet per bayonet.”

@Anthrolithos 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Cave Johnson. "Do you know who I am!? I'm the guy that's going to burn your house down!! WITH THE BAYONETS."

@glennotropolis 4 жыл бұрын

“Thiz is ze bayonet” “Thats not a bayonet, mounsier, THIS is a bayonet”

@TheInflicted 4 жыл бұрын

Ce n'est pas une baïonnette.

@charleslindberg829 4 жыл бұрын

Nice comment. Here's a thumbs up 👍

@Siddingsby 4 жыл бұрын

You call that a bayonet? THIS IS A BAYONET

@MrDirigible 4 жыл бұрын

Japan: but do you put them on anything besides that musketoon?

@michelguevara151 4 жыл бұрын

> * [the last one's with a heavy southwestern accent] *I think they issued them to cook brochettes with*

@whatisbestinlife8112 4 жыл бұрын

"Ceased using them because they were poking holes in the ceilings." Trolls are not an internet phenomenon. They've always been with us.

@planescaped 4 жыл бұрын

Many kids know what is like to ask their dad a question and get a preposterous answer because he didn't want to say "I don't know" Little does dad know that now every kid on the playground thinks the groove in a sword is for gathering the blood... Then you get misinformed adults who swear that's the truth because they have believed it their whole life, though the ease of looking things up on the internet has led to a decline in those types, but not as much as you'd think.

@SimuLord 4 жыл бұрын

Calvin's great-great grandfather?

@lapinmalin8626 3 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eqdjidZ-2culqJ8.html :)

@30cal23 3 жыл бұрын

@@lapinmalin8626 EXTERMINATUS

@nomms 3 жыл бұрын

There was shit posting in ancient rome.

@undo9981 4 жыл бұрын

French guardsman: "I want a spear that I can shoot with."

@undo9981 4 жыл бұрын

Boomstick? neeh that's a boompole

@Trashcansam123 4 жыл бұрын

I mean thats effectively what muskets were for a long time.

@NemoNiake 4 жыл бұрын

Adeptus Custodes :)

@themeanestkitten 4 жыл бұрын

@@NemoNiake i was thinking the same thing 😄

@TN-ci4ox 3 жыл бұрын

@@NemoNiake a man of culture

@Masada1911 4 жыл бұрын

“Ludicrous bayonet” that is a funny way to spell “magnificent bayonet “ Ian.

@jerryjantola 4 жыл бұрын

I love sabres. I love muskets. Now I can officially confirm that combining those 2 things only makes them better.

@tenofprime 4 жыл бұрын

now I want to see a sawback version of it just to make it that much more over the top.

@robosoldier11 4 жыл бұрын

"Sir I do believe the Japanese have taken the field! Who else would use such long bayonets?" "Dear god Watson it isn't the Japanese! Its the French!"

@Furzkampfbomber 4 жыл бұрын

Have you seen Ians video about that british smg that had _two_ bayonets? I think this gun here could need a magnifinecent second saber as well. One simply can not have enough dakka... and sabers.

@Masada1911 4 жыл бұрын

RocketSurgeon That is an explanation I can buy

@dsedh23 4 жыл бұрын

This gun is for when you are hired to be a musketeer and also a pikeman at the same time.

@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 4 жыл бұрын

Isn't that why the bayonet first existed for?

@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 4 жыл бұрын

*lancer. It's a cavalry carbine.

@Korppis 4 жыл бұрын

theehee polearm with xtreme poking range :-D

@bl4cksp1d3r 4 жыл бұрын

@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 it was used for the Palast guard. Pikeman*

@QuantumMechanic_88 4 жыл бұрын

@Alf - Excellent comment .

@a4channoob 4 жыл бұрын

"Affix swords" "You mean bayonets?" "You heard me"

@lieutenantkettch 4 жыл бұрын

"Fix swords" is actually the command to fix bayonets in British Rifle Regiments, dating back to the time they used the Baker Rifle and its sword bayonet.

@just4laughs76 2 жыл бұрын

@@lieutenantkettch High port, Check sword

@brainfat1 2 жыл бұрын

For this combination the next command should be "Form pike squares!"

@kleinjahr 2 жыл бұрын

@@brainfat1 No, they're cavalry, so, Couch lances and charge!

@PROkiller16 4 жыл бұрын

As stupid as it looks, this does solve the issue of how would a dismounted cavalryman would be able to defend himself without also giving them a bayonet to attach to their firearm.

@dejjal8683 4 жыл бұрын

could also be used as a lance

@mr.numbers5968 4 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. If you stuck the bayonet in someone while at high speeds on a horse, it might break, bend, or just pull the gun out of your hand.

@ProjectThunderclaw 4 жыл бұрын

@@mr.numbers5968 that's an inherent risk with any lance, although your master of arms will probably be more cross with you for wrecking a whole rifle than a sharp stick. But it's not worth it anyway, because the way you have to couch a heavy lance (tucked into your armpit, arm bent) means you wouldn't gain much reach over just holding the sword with your arm fully extended

@johnkelinske1449 4 жыл бұрын

@@mr.numbers5968 Probably not, more likely it would knock the rider off the horse.

@johnkelinske1449 4 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectThunderclaw Remember what happened to Capt. Walker in Mexico? "Boys, forward and don't flinch a foot, I know I'm dying but don't give way."

@RavingRaptor 4 жыл бұрын

So at what point does a rifle becomes an attachment to the bayonet and not vice versa?

@jamiec5565 4 жыл бұрын

This pair plus one inch to the bayonet looking at the relitive sizes

@calvingreene90 4 жыл бұрын

When you mount that bayonet on a M-4.

@lunkystraydog6572 4 жыл бұрын

This is my long swords rifle attachment.

@HugoEckener127 4 жыл бұрын

They should put markings along the length of the bayonet so you know how many feet of bullet drop you'll have to account for by the time the round gets that far down the blade

@MrYfrank14 4 жыл бұрын

bayonet with a carbine backup.

@Dja05 4 жыл бұрын

For when you want to stab some dude, but there's another two dudes in front of him.

@iuploadherebecauseimnotbuy7236 4 жыл бұрын

Omg dude I nearly died from laughing, epic.

@MiniPainterGamerDadD20 4 жыл бұрын

And there's a pesky field separating you.

@ispacedesign 4 жыл бұрын

Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude, stabbin' a dude, behind anotha dude.

@ZOGLaboratories 4 жыл бұрын

When you are out of ammunition and yet wish to perforate the gentlemen in the next village over

@lieutenantkettch 4 жыл бұрын

“So you've signed up for the cavalry. Do you wanna be a dragoon or a lancer?” “YES.”

@sigma_frenchie4075 2 жыл бұрын

can even be a hussard with it lmao

@SlideRulePirate 4 жыл бұрын

It was always gonna happen but at 8:30, after having had the requisite facial hair for years, he finally goes 'Three Musketeers' on us.

@iododendron3416 4 жыл бұрын

You mean the three musquetons?

@SlideRulePirate 4 жыл бұрын

@@iododendron3416 Yeah OK we can let him skip a couple of centuries.

@loicbazin1053 4 жыл бұрын

It would be fun to see him dressed as a king's musketeers with modern weapons at a competition. Or see him do a mach with a machlock

@J3TF1RE 4 жыл бұрын

Ian looks so ridiculously comfortable holding a sword.

@Kickthelighter 4 жыл бұрын

Its the 3 musketeer facial hair. Lol

@thegunfoogle2864 4 жыл бұрын

Ian is the kind of person to pop out around the corner with an epee and say 'scaramouche douche' when somebody tries to mug you close to a museum.

@udednow 4 жыл бұрын

He looks V E R Y french, I'm sure he's to handling long sticks Don't be mad y'all, I'm a descendant of Napoleons sister Fun fact: France developed the 'modern" ambulatory system

@BleedingUranium 4 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a "Forgotten Swords" spin-off series hahaha

@johnsmithwesson9996 3 жыл бұрын

@@udednow Well he looks like a stereotypical French person. But he honestly looks way more American than French

@loganb7059 4 жыл бұрын

Somebody took the term “sword bayonet” a little too seriously.

@MadNumForce 4 жыл бұрын

Technically, it's a "sabre-lance".

@blackdeath4eternity 4 жыл бұрын

@@MadNumForce no, sabers are curved.

@simpsondr12 4 жыл бұрын

@@blackdeath4eternity Are we really arguing with 19th century Frenchmen?

@blackdeath4eternity 4 жыл бұрын

@@simpsondr12 to argue we need to have a back & forth & i think if they are 19th century hes prob dead. :P

@AndrewAMartin 4 жыл бұрын

@@blackdeath4eternity I believe that sword would properly be called a rapier, but I could be mistaken.

@bruensal7182 4 жыл бұрын

This is the false title. Real title: *Ludicrous bayonet: An 1850s bayonet with an arqueton musqueton breechloader*

@ducomaritiem7160 4 жыл бұрын

I reloaded a muzzleloading pistol once, on horseback. During a reenactment battle in Coudekerque, Belgium, I got the most relaxed horse ever from Filmhorses. So, during a charge from us, the Cuirassiers, I shot into the Redcoats ranks, galloped back, reloading the pistol during gallop, went back in a charge, firering again. The horse knew what was going on, because every time I cocked the pistol, he layed his ears flat! So, reloading on horseback is possible, but mostly impossible.

@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын

I bet that a good military horse of the time would be used to gunfire and would lay his ears down. I understand that most of the guided-hunt horses in the US are also used to hearing gunfire.

@Nerdnumberone 4 жыл бұрын

Still, reloading a muzzle-loading pistol is a bit different than reloading a muzzle-loading longarm, even a carbine.

@micahreid5553 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nerdnumberone Most cavalry units would have a carbine and a brace or two of pistols, or a brace of revolvers later, so they would have access to as many danger beans as possible before having to go hide somewhere and reload. So it would be possible to use your carbine first, toss it in the scabbard and then go to using and reloading your pistols

@itsapittie 4 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 I've dabbled a bit in cavalry reenactment and cowboy mounted shooting and I can confirm that most horses do pretty quickly learn to associate the cocking sound with the soon-to-follow gunshot. The good ones lay their ears down, the unsuitable ones flinch. With a little exposure most horses can learn to stay on the job but a few just aren't ever going to be suitable for the purpose.

@itsapittie 4 жыл бұрын

@@GerardMenvussa some reenactors and mounted shooters put tampons in their horses' ears so they don't hear the shot as loudly. Most shooters and horses don't use hearing protection but the blanks used for mounted shooting have much less "concussive" effect than an actual cartridge. The effect is much more like fireworks than gunfire.

@-----Alcatraz------ 4 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile the Japanese are looking at their katanas going "hmm... what if"

@hemidas 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't they make a Nambu/katana combo in WW2?

@UXB1000 4 жыл бұрын

@@hemidas They did, but just one example - a Type 14 with a katana blade - although the gun was non-functional. I think it was an Imperial Japanese Army officer's personal weapon.

@jrb8955 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think japanese people will mess with their katana because of their much respect to weapon

@jazzmaster909 4 жыл бұрын

French: makes long Bayonet Japanese: puts Bayonet on everything Match made in heaven if you ask me

@hailexiao2770 4 жыл бұрын

@@jrb8955 Not a real katana of course, just a generic shin-gunto

@Pcm979 4 жыл бұрын

It must've been nice to get a complimentary rifle with your fancy sabre.

@stefanmolnapor910 4 жыл бұрын

Right! Can't even get damn Irons on a rifle these day! Lmao

@captainscarlett1 3 жыл бұрын

As a student of classical Japanese martial arts, I say this is an awesome weapon. A big pointy blade on a solid hefty stick. You couldn't ask for more. Not goofy at all. Tiny little sticker on an M16....now that's goofy.

@PatrickNiese-sn6fs 9 ай бұрын

Kinda reminds me of a nagimaki.

@kaasmeester5903 2 жыл бұрын

Manager: "I want you to design a cutting edge weapon" Designer: *presents firearm with 4 feet of cutting edge attached* Manager: "THAT'S NOT WHAT I M... oh screw it"

@eduardocharlier7560 4 жыл бұрын

Ian should do a crossover episode where Matt Easton and him discuss bayonets

@abdalabinladen 4 жыл бұрын

That would sure be awesome! Please make this happen.

@kleinjahr 4 жыл бұрын

In the proper context, of course.

@WolfKenneth 4 жыл бұрын

OMG please do! Ian! Matt @scholagladiatoria !

@iain3713 4 жыл бұрын

Eduardo Charlier hell yeah

@Alpostpone 4 жыл бұрын

Episode will be composed of Matt taking ten minutes to say that bayonets were used on battlefield.

@thumba-umba2699 4 жыл бұрын

"DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HACK THEM WITH MY SWORD!!!" (c) Unnamed Imperial Comissar, 382.M39.

@Alpostpone 4 жыл бұрын

With this, you don't need to drive any closer.

@JPR3D 4 жыл бұрын

You know, as funny as it looks with a modern perspective it actually make perfect sense to have a Saber that you can fit like a bayonet in order to get enough length from a carbine sized rifle to be effective against a man up on a horse. For the time that's a rather simple and logical solution.

@llamallama1509 4 жыл бұрын

For when you want to melee the enemy outside of their effective musket shot range.

@TheCouchCommando 4 жыл бұрын

Silly Ian, that's no bayonet, that's just mechanical AN/PEQ analogue, shows how France were concerned with target designation even 170 years back

@lexmen1089 4 жыл бұрын

Funny how you said that while your pfp is an cadian lmao

@bobc1911 4 жыл бұрын

"That's not a bayonet .... this is a bayonet!" Sorry, just had to.

@taiko729 4 жыл бұрын

"Mick, give him your sabretache" "What for?" "He's got a bayonet"

@ehsnils 4 жыл бұрын

@@taiko729 Have a Donk instead.

@lunkystraydog6572 4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@John-doe955 3 жыл бұрын

You’re lovely

@henrya3530 4 жыл бұрын

Something you forgot to mention... The space between the plug on the end of the bolt that pushes home the cartridge and the interior of the breech is a deliberate design feature. Normally, in black powder firearms having an air gap (particularly between powder and ball) at the breech is a very bad thing. It creates an area of higher than normal pressure which can distort or even burst the barrel. However, in this weapon the area of higher pressure is created *behind* the charge thus blowing any unburnt remnants of the paper cartridge down the barrel which makes reloading easier. A similar feature is seen on the Dreyse needle gun. Unlike the Dreyse, once fouling makes operating the bolt mechanism difficult there is Plan B - you can still use this gun as a muzzle loader :-)

@pandabuluk 4 жыл бұрын

Louis Napoleon III: "That no bayonet. THIS is bayonet"

@trblemayker5157 4 жыл бұрын

9:23 That bayonet would be right at home in Warhammer Fantasy.

@TheGreegles 4 жыл бұрын

FOR SIGMAR

@samsowden 4 жыл бұрын

frankly it wouldn't be out of place in 40k either xD

@trblemayker5157 4 жыл бұрын

@@samsowden Is that a Death Korps reference?

@ordinosaurs 4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, considering French politics of the days, I suspect at the back of Arcelin's mind the unusual length of the bayonet was more for crowd control of civilian protesters than to be used in actual warfare against cavalry.

@davidlacoste 4 жыл бұрын

That's more the 3rd Republic than the 2nd Empire.

@wraithwyvern528 4 жыл бұрын

That's French politics since they've stopped calling themselves the Franks

@ordinosaurs 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidlacoste considering it was created barely 6 years after the 3rd revolution in half a century and 3 years after a coup to restore the Empire, I stand to my guns, so to speak.

@MirejeLenoir4670 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidlacoste The empire was just more efficient thant the republic at repressing social unrest. The third republic was known for allowing more freedom of press and freedom while the second empire was stronger on propaganda. The republic just couldn't get away with repressing social movements as easily than Napoleon III could.

@BRBMrSoul 2 жыл бұрын

@@justforever96 ya, and it was for cavalrymen, maybe was idea but think they know horse alone is often enough for crowd control ;) Ain’t no person winning that fight.

@dylankornberg4892 4 жыл бұрын

That’s the most ludicrous bayonet I’ve ever seen. I’ll take your entire stock.

@immikeurnot 4 жыл бұрын

Most bayonets: "Turn your rifle into a spear!" This bayonet: "Turn your rifle into a naginata!"

@penttikoivuniemi2146 4 жыл бұрын

More like a nagamaki.

@danieldeak9141 4 жыл бұрын

Gunsmith: Do you want a gun, or a lance? Some guy: YES!

@jabloko992 4 жыл бұрын

ugyanitt bojler eladó

@junichiroyamashita 4 жыл бұрын

You know,in my youth i had a" bayonet craze", loading everything in front on a gun to make a bayonet,a knuckleduster,a trench knife,a kukri, and,a saber. I remember those ideas as ludicrous in real life,but it seems i was proven wrong.

@Casshio 4 жыл бұрын

A knuckleduster? I mean how does that even work?

@Tunkkis 4 жыл бұрын

@@Casshio Like a mace, I suppose.

@nolanolivier6791 4 жыл бұрын

Ehehehe... some of those ideas are still ludicrous.

@junichiroyamashita 4 жыл бұрын

@@nolanolivier6791 well there was also the tanto bayonet,the axe bayonet ,the spear bayonet,the circular saw bayonet, the halberd head bayonet.. and so on.

@johan.ohgren 4 жыл бұрын

@@junichiroyamashita wow, you're parents must've been so terrified..😂

@gillesdupouy8357 4 жыл бұрын

"What is important to make a good army guys ?" Germany : "the highest technology available" Russia : "the best logistics and mass production" France "FANCINESS"

@tomdixon7264 4 жыл бұрын

'This is what I've been telling you guys '- Phillip of Macedon

@SimuLord 4 жыл бұрын

Macedonian pikes next to traditional Greek phalanx spears were a living example of "you vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about."

@spot1401 4 жыл бұрын

....and now mount the whole thing onto another rifle as a bayonet...!

@aloadofbollocks988 4 жыл бұрын

Under-barrel backup breech loading rifle.

@mistakenotou7681 4 жыл бұрын

@@aloadofbollocks988 better than under barrel zip22

@mikeoxlong1395 4 жыл бұрын

No, silly, you mount this rifle, bayosabre and all, onto a cannon and you ram it into the enemy.

@Red_Beard2798 4 жыл бұрын

When you have to defeat terrorists at 3 but have a Civil War Reenactment at 4

@super5oldier139 4 жыл бұрын

On the end of a full length mosin

@Mixu. 4 жыл бұрын

I thought this would be a sword with a gun inside haha

@mistakenotou7681 4 жыл бұрын

It actually exists kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jbN3bMKHuJjMfqs.html

@alexmaurice4274 4 жыл бұрын

@@mistakenotou7681 woahh

@JamesThomas-gg6il 4 жыл бұрын

Kinda like the Pritchard bayonet for the webley, except the other way around. Hit a switch and the muskatoon flips out

@gworfish 4 жыл бұрын

It sort of is....

@krayne-ddg-pmc 4 жыл бұрын

For when you're such a gentleman even you're gun carries a sword

@HellJustFroze 4 жыл бұрын

_"So, are you a musketeer or a pikeman?"_ *"Yes."*

@DualDesertEagle 4 жыл бұрын

Now this legit dropped my jaw and I went like "UH!" Holy crap, I did expect a LOT from the title, but definitely not THAT!

@Riflelock 4 жыл бұрын

My guess would be stabbing the ceiling of the guard room or guards shack.

@mytiliss682 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine going through low doors with this. You have lean gun forward or backwards, first looks dangerous, second is uncomfortable.

@Riflelock 4 жыл бұрын

@@mytiliss682 Not pleasant I am sure. I would be courious when they would fix bayonets.

@Gabcocacola 4 жыл бұрын

When you wanna stick a bayonet on someone but you also apply social distancing.

@DaveTex2375 4 жыл бұрын

Ian: Ludicrous Bayonet Me: Ok... *sees bayonet* Me: You do not disappoint!

@alexguymon7117 4 жыл бұрын

Would you be able to cover the Tabatière rifle series? They aren't as well known or available in the United States as say the Snider Enfield or Trapdoor Springfield and I'm curious to see how it exactly functions. It also apparently has a fairly unique cartridge.

@offdeadeye88 4 жыл бұрын

I have one thats been converted to 12g black powder

@MadNumForce 4 жыл бұрын

The original Arcelin sabre-lance had a blade called "à la Préval", that is a very hollow triangular cross-section. This kind of blade had been designed during the reign of Napoléon by the general Préval, who had commanded various cavalry units and ended up in the artillery, and considered the line cavalry sabers of the time were too heavy and not stiff enough, so he designed this blade and tried to get in adopted for decades. Several times it almost happened, but another design always got the preference. The sabre-lance Arcelin is the only official weapon in French service, or the only hollow triangular blade saber ever officially adopted as regulation, even though it was for the tiniest prestige unit that wasn't meant to ever see combat.

@MrPanos2000 4 жыл бұрын

Indeed! Preval blades were very popular with colonial French officers, who were known to purchase non regulation custom swords

@Riceball01 4 жыл бұрын

The blade design likely came about because Preval wanted a blade more optimized for thrusting. From what I understand, during the Napoleonic wars, the French favored the thrust over the cut. So in order to maximize your swords thrusting ability you'd want to make your blade as stiff as possible aNd a triangular shaped blade does this much better than traditional flat cut and thrust blade.

@davidcolter 4 жыл бұрын

Forgotten Weapons: "here is a silly sword on the end of a gun" Scholagladiatoria: "but in context...."

@fast_richard 4 жыл бұрын

This would have been a great subject for a joint episode with Scholagladiatoria. Scholagladiatoria is a sword expert who also knows something about guns. Ian is a gun expert who knows something about bayonets.

@Vespuchian 4 жыл бұрын

Getting Matt's opinion on this sort of thing would be an interesting follow-up video. I wonder if he follows this channel.

@donjones4719 4 жыл бұрын

@@fast_richard Thinking the same thing. Oh, I'd love to see his opinion of this thing - it doesn't look good for use as a sword. And he also knows how to fight with a pike, spear, etc.

@F1ghteR41 4 жыл бұрын

@@Vespuchian Matt said he's a subscriber of this channel on stream a while ago, as I recall. Then again, as far as I remeber he've mentioned this sword-bayonet in one of his videos already.

@ray6442 4 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how you still find guns to make videos on. Love getting home to see a new forgotten weapons video, you're awesome Ian!

@ukaszgrzesik7231 4 жыл бұрын

I see oportunity for another epic crossover here, with Matt Easton of Schola Gladiatoria

@Taistelukalkkuna 4 жыл бұрын

*Sound of Japanese scrambling to see the bayonet, followed by mass swooning*

@mistakenotou7681 4 жыл бұрын

What's the deal with Japan and bayonets?

@donecoin33 4 жыл бұрын

mistakenot ou suicide charges

@Rabhadh 4 жыл бұрын

@@donecoin33 were they suicide charges when they worked?

@lairdcummings9092 4 жыл бұрын

@@Rabhadh since those charges generally *didn't* succeed, yeah, they were. It was a very similar mindset to that of the French in the first months of WWI, where it was thought that elan, and a bayonet charge, was enough to carry the day. Machine guns were very, very rude to that outlook.

@kurumachikuroe442 4 жыл бұрын

Rabh No, then it is glorious melee combat

@gloin10 2 жыл бұрын

There was a saying that "Sooner or later, someone is always tempted to turn a perfectly good self-loading pistol into a bad submachine gun." This seems to be more a case of someone not being able to resist turning a perfectly good heavy cavalry sword into a bad pike....

@jamesparsons5212 4 жыл бұрын

That is actually a really cool piece of firearm history. Thank you Ian. Always a cool and informative video. Keep the great videos coming. Much respect from Jacksonville, Florida.

@apokos8871 4 жыл бұрын

Scholagladiatoria-Forgotten Weapons video when? this combo of musketoon and saber is just the perfect thing to discuss

@svenblubber5448 4 жыл бұрын

*sword Sabres have curved blades!

@Col_Mustard 4 жыл бұрын

@@svenblubber5448 nope. Sabre. Sabres can be straight, although that's less common. They're defined by their single edge, while a sword has two. At least that's the french definition, maybe the Perfide Albion has another one.

@svenblubber5448 4 жыл бұрын

@@Col_Mustard Nope! Straight edged swords with one edge are called backswords! The only straight edged sword called "Sabre" is the "Patton Saber", and that's only called that because all it's predecessors were curved, so when the army ordered a new sabre to be designed they expected something curved. When the new design was straight they just didn't bother changing the name, but out of context, no sword expert would call it a sabre, and it remains an oddity and exeption. As a rule the general definition of a sabre is considered a curved sword!

@jackmcslay 4 жыл бұрын

We need to get skallagrim to create an analog to this musket with the bayonet and test it's effectiveness

@iain3713 4 жыл бұрын

No Matt easton

@JanoTuotanto 4 жыл бұрын

Unscrew the pommel...

@killerkraut9179 4 жыл бұрын

i think isnt that bad

@russellthompson8414 4 жыл бұрын

I took your advice and went to the museum last November. I will need to go a few more times. It was worth the drive.

@henryrodgers7386 4 жыл бұрын

This... actually makes sense. The Palace Guards of any nation have two roles: crowd control and defense. This thing looks rather intimidating, and can be used as a polearm of sorts against enemies on foot or on horseback. And in it's intended role as a cavalry arm, well, there's a reason why lancers stuck around (pun intended) throughout most of the 1800s. Because long pointy things and short shooty things are very useful to those who insist on riding a perfectly good horse into battle.

@stephengalindo6340 4 жыл бұрын

I'm waiting for Ian to design the perfect rifle. After looking at so many weapons I can only imagine what he would come up with

@DevinMoorhead 4 жыл бұрын

WWSD2020

@DaveTex2375 4 жыл бұрын

Presenting the AR-FAL-47 with grenade launching bayonet.

@polygondwanaland8390 4 жыл бұрын

@@DevinMoorhead WWSD, but with this bayonet

@DevinMoorhead 4 жыл бұрын

@@polygondwanaland8390 exellent

@dclark1980 4 жыл бұрын

@Devin Moorhead I find it fascinating that Ian and Karl went with a 16” barrel for the WWSD2020. I can’t remember the reasoning behind it.

@dragomirschippenbeil7168 4 жыл бұрын

I love how Ian is dwarved even by just the bayosaber alone

@ChuckNorrisIsNothing 3 жыл бұрын

Now there is a weapon class i would want to specialize in...

@JamesThomas-gg6il 4 жыл бұрын

Only Ian would find a totally obscure muskatoon that hardly anyone knows about and go on to show that they have the wrong ridiculously long bayonet for it. I love the details

@TheAtomicCross 2 жыл бұрын

Together, they make a ridiculous combo. Separately, that is a handy little carbine, apart from the fouling issue, and a beautiful blade on that sword.

@staguar 4 жыл бұрын

"You got your bayonet in my lance!" "You got your lance in my bayonet!" Two great stabbies that stab great together

@Zeppflyer 4 жыл бұрын

If Doug Dimmidome had a gun with a bayonet, he would also have one so long that the end was out of frame.

@UXB1000 4 жыл бұрын

Did someone say... Doug Dimmadome? As in the owner of Dimmsdale Dimmadome?

@coltenmeyer2775 4 жыл бұрын

The doug dimmadome?! Thats the owner of the dimedale dimmadome!

@sharonrigs7999 3 ай бұрын

This gun is a thing of beauty. Gorgeous machine work!

@joshp2542 4 жыл бұрын

My two favorite era's of firearm design is early semiautomatic rifles(including bolt action conversions) and early breach loading designs. Keep up the great work, this is an incredible channel.

@Acin75 4 жыл бұрын

"The French copy nobody, and nobody copies the French"😂👍

@vincentrempel1603 4 жыл бұрын

I feel like this should be on Matt Easton’s channel. Still awesome to see here👍

@jonathanyaeger2289 4 жыл бұрын

Were this Matt’s video we would have learned the swords weight, length, PoB, and context Instead we got “ridiculous” 4 times.

@carlmcmuffin7443 4 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanyaeger2289 stfu, it's much more interesting to here about the history

@nolanolivier6791 4 жыл бұрын

CROSSOVER EPISODE!!!

@nolanolivier6791 4 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanyaeger2289 I suspect that Ian and Matt would get along 'swimmingly', as they say. Also, Captain Context would have a considerable degree for potential contribution to the discussion of bayonets on InRange tv...

@albertoa.r.5886 4 жыл бұрын

Do we all watch the same channels? ;-p

@danbraun3780 4 жыл бұрын

Been there a couple of times; need to go back. Thanks. Very interesting.

@daviddavid5880 3 жыл бұрын

Man I love this show. Keep up the awesome work. Thanks so much.

@Xarthis 4 жыл бұрын

I wonder what Matt Easton of Schola Gladiatoria would think of this...

@Giloup92 4 жыл бұрын

He would say : the blade is straight, so it is not a sabre, but a sword.

@jonc8074 4 жыл бұрын

length, penetration, context and breech loading pommels

@torianholt2752 4 жыл бұрын

@@Giloup92 No, he would define a sabre by it's hilt.

@hjorturerlend 4 жыл бұрын

Look up his videos on cuirassier swords. He has a section on these, tho there these were originally designed to be lances.

@SimuLord 4 жыл бұрын

@@Giloup92 The ghost of George S. Patton might have something to say about that.

@hehe3301 4 жыл бұрын

This is a really cool rifle that would be really interesting to have a modern reproduction of!

@pixelbucket8884 4 жыл бұрын

Arisaka with Katana attachment.

@pierrekvt5786 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, sorry for my approximate English, i am French, and passionate by the second French empire. And I fall in love of the "cent garde" batallion. This bataillon was created in 1854, the same year of the "treuil de Beaulieu" creation, this weapon was only use by cent garde. So I have a doupt on the link between the arcelin and this batallion. The arcelin was more use as a prototype for cavalry (dragon). But already, thanks for making video on crazy weapon which take part of a global evolution.

@1101agaoj 4 жыл бұрын

:D perhaps the BEST review I've seen Ian cover, Merci !

@earthenjadis8199 4 жыл бұрын

This is not ludicrous. It's the greatest thing I've ever seen - France beat out SquareSoft by 140 years.

@cnhnx 4 жыл бұрын

If you mean Gunblade from Final Fantasy VIII, they're not gun with blade combo. They're just blades, they don't even have barrel. The gun mechanism is only used to fire blank cartridge and the resulting energy will enhance the blade power. Sounds stupid yeah, but it exists in universe where magic is common thing.

@UXB1000 4 жыл бұрын

@@cnhnx Although, this mousqueton's bayonet reminded me of Ward's spear, with regards to the length.

@christempest8476 4 жыл бұрын

Gun maker: What size bayonet do you want? Napoleon: Yes

@matthayward7889 4 жыл бұрын

The grip and basket on that sword are just gorgeous! I thought the Baker rifle’s sword bayonet was pretty impressive until I saw this!

@georgebulbakwa9017 4 жыл бұрын

That is freaking majestic. Not sure how practical it would be but majestic none the less.

@sneakysnek2185 4 жыл бұрын

British soldier fixes his forge, French guy "oh ho ho you think that tiny stick gonna protect you" attached sword to rifle "engaurd"

@wraithcadmus 4 жыл бұрын

You know for modern ceremonial guards a silly-long bayonet like that is probably way more effective at giving drunks/tourists/protesters pause.

@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын

The Buckingham palace guards seem to make do with one hell of a shout.

@NevermindThee 2 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful piece.

@Verdunveteran 4 жыл бұрын

Cool! I actually have the point of a Sabre-lance du Mousqueton des Cent Gardes mle 1854. It was found somwere on the First World War battlefield in the Verdun area, stuck in the scabbard of a Berthier carbine bayonette. The back end of the blade sticking out had been cruedly hamered into a tang for a grip. The artifact was found and given to me by a friend of mine. Very cool to see you talking about both the mousqueton aswell as the bayonet for it in this vieo. I've heard that these bayonets were shoretened at some point in time. Somhow one of the points cut of during this shortening process found it's way into the hands of a French poilu to be used as some sort of trench dagger.

@boboayame2065 4 жыл бұрын

The bayonet probably increases the maximum effective range of the weapon though

@AppleBiscuits 4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the sequel where some genius sticks a Zweihander on his musket.

@mbr5742 4 жыл бұрын

The german answer to this?

@jabloko992 4 жыл бұрын

Germans gonna stick a Zweihander on an artillery gun, so even if it runs out of ammo, it can still be used as a battering ram.

@johnmorgan1629 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent example, for its age and to say it would've had some use when made (even if only relatively light) as well. That bayonet/sabre looks to be another superb example, in its own right.

@randywatson8347 4 жыл бұрын

Stay safe Ian! What a fine condition example.

@rageofheaven 4 жыл бұрын

The perfect blade for a 6' genetically engineered super soldier with mommy issues.

@TheBananamonger 2 жыл бұрын

Who are you referencing?

@DaLkalts 2 жыл бұрын

you might want to add a few feet , if it's mom Everest you're talking about

@tedariesdaguro6517 4 жыл бұрын

Would you prefer to carry a bayonet or a sword? French cavalry: yes

@rautavaara9194 4 жыл бұрын

"Thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Polearms."

@SafetyProMalta 4 жыл бұрын

I lose myself in that place! Fantastic museum.

@michelguevara151 4 жыл бұрын

thinks me : "in the case of miss fires?" Ian : *"you have to tap out the cartridge through the back of the breach"* why doesn't this appeal to me?

@charles_wipman 4 жыл бұрын

I like more the saber/sword/"bayonet" than i like the mousqueton.

@jamesranger6283 4 жыл бұрын

Great piece. i understand how visually intimidating the rifle and saber would look In the hands of a palace guard at that time.

@Dread_Not 4 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy that in tumultuous times I can come to this channel for the same type of content and calm chit-chat in the comments. Thanks to everyone, Ian most of all.

@saltyfrenchy4324 4 жыл бұрын

"So for your honor guard, you want sabers or guns ?" *"Yes"*

@aleidius192 4 жыл бұрын

Mon Dieu!

@494Farrell 3 жыл бұрын

"Would you like the new cavalry unit to be lancers, dragoons or hussars?" "Yes."

@pablononpicasso1977 4 жыл бұрын

Some lovely machine work for that era.

@amorphoussolid8512 4 жыл бұрын

I need this for concealed carry, no worry about ammo when you have a sword attachment.

@edwardwood6532 4 жыл бұрын

Forget about concealed carry, I want to see someone open carry this work of art.

@rogerjohnson8707 4 жыл бұрын

It doesn't look like the breech has been cleaned in a century or more.

@gregoryschmitz2131 7 ай бұрын

That charging mechanism looks like with some twist to the screws you could get a cam seal. I am impressed and 150 shots? Throw in a bit of water and probably well after any action (150 shots from a horse is how many days of combat?). And yes, if you are going to make a bayonette work, make it a spear and that sure is! Reach out and touch the other guy first. And of course that sword is multi purpose as a sward or a bayonet. The First Swiss Army Rifle!