A few things: 1. I did not coin the term "Pepega Slam." People have been calling it this way, well before I even thought of making this video. 2. The fights in MHW are only tolerable, because monsters die so quickly. That's why some AT monsters are so much worse than some of their normal counterparts, despite not changing their behaviour/moveset at all. A good example is Kushala, Teostra and Vaal. To make ATs a truly better fight, you have to change more than just HP and attack stats. 3. I extensively talked about unbalanced attacks in the video, but I failed to mention that a lot of the combat in MHW seems to be balanced around mantles. Once they run out, heck, even while they're still active, flaws become glaringly obvious. 4. I watched a few boss fights from older games I've played, like the Fromsoft games, where attacks can be massive in size, look flashy and can still be easiyl avoided with a well timed roll, block or parry. 5. I wouldn't critique this game so much if I didn't care. I do care, which is why I even bothered making this video. 6. Thanks for watching. Buy my shirt. The one I am wearing right now.

I forgot to turn off my subwoofer and my apartment building collapsed.

Nergigante: jumps in air for 1 second My team: Fainted, Fainted, Fainted Disband and Return to base

On note of AT Val: You can move him out of his miasma by just leading him to a different part of the map. The miasma won't follow, it'll only be an issue if he puts down more (which then you just move again). You can also disperse the miasma with a flame pod. He's really not that difficult to fight once you realize you can do this. To be honest he was the easiest out of all the AT monsters IMO.

Let's be honest; the only truly good AT monster... Was Greatest Jagras.

Personally I've never carted from the Dive attack. You may ask, how? Simple really... I've never fought AT Nerge lol. Can't die from an attack I've never seen.

There are too many people to respond to individually, but let me say this: Everyone who watches this video and thinks, without a shred of irony, that I made this video because I think he is too difficult or that I can't beat him, has the attention span and comprehension of a guppy. Takes 5 seconds to go to my channel and see that I've been speedrunning this franchise for 10 years. Heck, I even showed it in the video. I guess if your head is so far up your ass that you can manually start your bowel movement by talking, then you wouldn't be able to hear and see my points. Also people seem to lack the understanding of deep combat design. MHWorld barely has any and it shows when you inflate stats. Telling others to just use more defensive sets or to switch weapons also entirely miss the points I made across the video. I thought about leaving out clips where I kick Nergis ass at all, since that might make some people think ATN is not that bad at all. Turns out I should've put in even more, considering some self proclaimed "veterans" (something good players would never call themselves) can't even differentiate between good and god awful gameplay. This video was also made from the PoV of a casual MH consumer and not a speedrunner, so going for the low hanging "he uses no defensive skills, TA runner glass cannon builds XD" fruit is cringeworthy beyond belief. The hypocrisy of players saying "let me play how I want," trying to lecture others to use Defense+ as a workaround for shit game design, while throwing an autistic fit when others tell them that their set can be optimized, without losing any of their precious life saving skills, is unreal. That being said, 85% of the reception was stellar, so my hope for this community is semi restored. I could make a video responding to comments, but I feel people have made up their minds and even if you tell them that the sky is blue they'll still insist it's diarrhea green, because their gut feeling tells them so. Also, I wanted to educate people about something (I assumed) was clear as day. Apparently not. Can't believe people are arguing about Cheap One shots being unfair or not. It literally can't be easier than: Non telegraphed one shot = bad. "N-no, I-i never carted to it. I just so happen to have no proof for it, wait, I don't have to provve anything to YOU, I'm a fourth fleet elite :D." Don't forget kids, don't overcommit, you might get sniped by something at any time. Better stand still and play dead. You might be done with one hunt by the time the sun stops burning. Cheers :)

What if you Wanted to hunt monsters But Nergigante said *PEPEGA SLAM*

Akantorx: Kirin is actually a *fun fight* Me: *BRUH*

Kushala has to be the biggest offender to me. Half of the fight is waiting for him to land so you can even do any damage. You fight the damn clock as much as you do the dragon.

*forging AT Nergi armor set Friend: What did it cost? Me:Everything

You wont survive the "Pepega slam" unless u have close to 500 defense. Me: 200 hp, 480 defense, Rocksteady mantle on AT Nergigante: Bruh lemme just spam pepega

Funny AT Lunastra story... So I was going pretty smooth with the fight for a solo managing to survive a supernova and a Teostra bond. She hobbled off into the place with the falling crystals and I absolutely decimated her cause I'm a hammer main and don't give stuns lightly. She started to limp, went to the final area to sleep, and I got off a decent wake up hit. I died all three times after that without landing a single hit

Whoever thought of AT nerg backflip slam must be effin sadistic.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="319">5:19</a> You forgot that all the monsters read button inputs. It's how they know to roar to cancel your moves. Datto, or prod tested it. Sorry I forgot which one. Great video. Subscribed.

I’ve had instances where I’ve been oneshot with 200 hp 500~ defense

The only issue i have with these AT elder dragons is their nuzzles do WAAAAY too much damage. Don't get me started on Testro, his kind of tracks.

Thanks for this. I’ve chatted with people about the instant slam and while I don’t think it’s too bad the worst part for me is how spammable Capcom allowed it to be. The move wouldn’t be such an issue if there was an some sort of internal cooldown before it’s next use. As it is I’ve died countless times to none stop dive spam. Even with guard 5 and dash juice if you block the first one and he spams the move (which he can and does) by the 3rd slam you are likely dead or close. Don’t over commit is bullshit to, I’ve been hit many times with draw attacks just taking my weapon out- it’s like I swear the game input reads the second I do anything it’s dive bomb time.

Not a fan of the "difficulty" of late game being Getting two shotted or swiped by bullshit hitboxes. Like, there are a bunch of attacks with great telegraphs....and loads with a millisecond to respond.

I actually like arch Vaal Hazak. I think it's a pretty good way to keep people aggressive. (If they have the Regen augment) plus Vaal is really slow, so it becomes a game of staying as agro as possible.

I agree with the theory that the AT monsters were not planned at all, but they found the game was much more popular than they thought, and more people were playing it longer than they thought, so they tried to throw in some sort of content quick fix as sort of a bonus.

They artificially inflated the difficulty yes.

Silver rathalos let me introduce my self

I was struggling with AT Teos and Xeno last week because of carting, decided to solo them and it went smoothly. This week when Kushala and Nergi come i thought "Oh this gonna be easy since i have no problem soloing them". Now i just wish someone to carry my sorry ass.

This is so cathartic. Better than my therapist, thanks CB daddy

I'm calling it right now, AT Velkhana is going to be some BS.

AT Lunastra and AT Nergigante: We're the most annoying fights in the series! Plesioth and Khezu: Yare Yare Daze... *Hip-checks and Roar Spams you to death*

You sound like hawkeye gough from darksouls 1 lol

AT MONSTERS BEFORE ICEBORNE: we are the most powerfull monsters in the entire game AT MONSTER AFTER ICEBORNE: No hunter Please Noooooo!!!

Monster Hunter World's difficulty design essentially boils down to "Oh shit, we made the game too easy, time to dump in some unreasonable difficulty!"

It seems like pepega slams big issue is it interrupts the flow, ur stun locking him avoiding all his attacks he cant hit u, then suddenly he gains super speed, ur momentum is SHATTERED, is health is suddenly low and now YOURE on the defensive, thats a game changing attack

Beat AT Nerg in my first run with him yesterday. After losing 2 carts and finally sending him to sleep, I had to resort to the classic move of bomb-n-run and made countless trips back to camp before I finally bombed him to death in his sleep.

You said what we were all thinking, I'm glad you did.

This is amazing. Loved it.

Bruh, that bit with the "just get more defense" analogy killed me xD

This video taught me an awful lot, not just about the monsters, but about how you can charge the Sword too.

imho those overtunning difficulty is to compensate the OPness of mantles and force u to take advantage of environmental factors like ledge turf wars or boulders , which is of course catastrophic for TA rule players .

Pepega

If the shrek instant slam had even a subtle tell I think complaints about the move would almost dissapear

Vaal's not too bad. You just need to kite him out of his effluvium cloud once he puts it down. If you can handle regular Luna, AT Luna is fine, with one MAJOR exception that anyone can guess. Bring wind resist, Astera Jerky, and spam Panic Dive. For Kush, save yourself a ton of headaches and solo with bowgun/bow and earplugs for the constant roaring. Nerg has the Pepega Slam. There's literally no effective way to deal with it. It's probably the single most bullshit move in the whole game.

Actually the mini dive bomb is not as deadly as the tailspin nergie does in stage 3 which can cart an entire team..

Actually i think AT Vaal Hazaks more deadly miasma was a great additon to the fight, really highlighting the destructive nature of the creature. Yes, it was somewhat annoying to deal with, but it made the fight much more interesting. Vaal is definitively on my good list

Dark Souls is too easy MHW: Hold my Max Potion..

The Tempered and Arch Tempered fights rather turned me off from the game and I'm rather worried about how they're going to factor into _Iceborne._ I'm no stranger to realizing that I need to "Git Gud" when it comes to certain monsters in the series, Fatalis and his ilk didn't go down remotely easily back in the day, but _MHW_ soured things more than they needed to with these monster versions. Tempered monsters are still reasonably balanced, though the incentives for doing those fights over normal versions is (was?) lacking. Arch Tempered tries to address that by adding monster specific gear to craft, but it's still not much of a better "end game" for the player. I'm sure I'll enjoy going through _Iceborne,_ but hopefully they don't carry over the current lazy "end game" design.

Aerial Glaive is how you do it to em. Aerial Glaive drags on the fight but its really safe since you can yeet over pepega slam and most of his moves. Fight is about 23 minutes of MonkaS.

You have the single deepest voice I've ever heard a human have

Well personally, Lunastra's nova made me stop playing already before that AT was a thing. Doesn't look like I missed much.

I kinda got use to his ground slams after a while, just need the quick response to his leaps. Only real issues I had with Nerg were: People spamming flashpods at him just before he did his blackspike divebomb resulting in him having his black spikes for an unnecessary amount of time. People flashpodding him and the other AT monster resulting in no turf war and two AT monsters running around. AT Nerg was really fun to fight for me, He gave me an actual challenge compared to the other AT monsters.

instead of attempting to give my 2 cents on a feature i have not dabbled in since i disagreed with the direction of ATs from the beginning, i'll just say this: Thank you for being our Sapphire Star habibi

The guy who punishes every single monster that have existed in the game, is complaining about monsters who have punished every single player in the game. You know this means his words are truth and isnt just a "gitgud" comment

I don't think ATs are fun. Hopefully something different happens with IB.

My dude, can you share the CB set you used against AT Nerg?

Seeing someone as good as you confirm the ATs are hard saved my self esteem. Damn you AT nerg!

The thing i hate aabout AT monsters is not the hyper agression, it's that they spam one move over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

I've found if you dodgeroll to the right when he's in the air you can avoid that cheap attack.

You can use Farcasters to avoid Lunastras special attack

For those who want to know what the hell is this charge blade. It's a mod called "Old World Weapon Collections Charge Blade" you'll find it on nexus mod ;) It's replacing existing weapon appearence

Tbh.. i think this is my first time seeing AND hearing a speedrunner roast on monsters, also at luna vs glaive too OP

The new comments here is just like “I bEAt it SuPEr EaSiLY, SkiLL IsSuE!! cOPe!” They’re coping that Crapcom is actually doing work, when all crapcom cares about is RE series and nothing else. Why else would the add the same monster but this time stronger, because they don’t want to spend the time making new ones.

I appreciate the video. Especially the bit about Lunastra. I loathe that monster in it's entirety. Keep making vids

And this guy is why I main the Lance.

Very nicely done and articulated well.

It's not like Capcom haven't had previous with this. It's the main reason I fell out with the series after 4U's bullshitty apex system. I personally don't subscribe to the excuse of "well, they didn't expect MHW to be popular, and they are just buying easy time". They've always made whack decisions when it comes to providing a satisfying endgame. Ever since 4th gen they've bumped damage numbers while implementing unbalanced, vague animations and mechanics

AT Ruiner Nergigante joins the chat

Counterargument: Nergigante doesn't seem to have been designed with TA in mind. While I have insane trouble with Nergi alone (no cat) or without mantles, adding either one (particularly the cat, which I normally hate bringing to almost *any* other hunt)... feels great, honestly. A common complaint about World in general is that there are too many things that make the game easier. I agree. Rather than creating a fight that's challenging when you handicap yourself to make the game harder, Nergigante seems geared to make the game hard when you use everything to your disposal. The temporal and rocksteady mantles should have never been made. They were, and Nergigante wants you to use them and still feel something of a challenge. The game isn't actually made for TA rules. I think you acknowledged this in your comment and I'm sure other comments have mentioned it, but I think it's still a worthwhile point. The pepega slam is infinitely more tolerable when you have a cat around, in my experience. It doesn't seem like it was geared for a true solo. There's an argument to be made that all content should be soloable without any help, but I'm not sure that's possible while maintaining challenge with more to your advantage (multiplayer scaling speaks to this, though I don't think it was implemented properly at all), and technically it's possible to solo Nergi anyway. On my part, unless I'm deliberately handicapping myself, I find that AT Nergi practically goes down faster than the other ATs. Probably because my runs aren't perfect on the others or anything, but I think ~11 minutes for a normal run is decent. (That was the run when I first cleared him, and by the time the event rolled away, I didn't get much faster) I think also a speedrunner's perspective is different, having to run it over, and over, and over, and over, difficulty that doesn't feel "fair" becomes more grating, rather than the typical reward a more typical player feels upon clearing at all. For this matter I'm quite surprised you hate Vaal, if it makes sense. It's all subjective, and I'm something of a masochist, but I quite love AT Nergigante, and quite makes me fear and respect the monster. I want to feel like the monsters have capabilities that I can barely deal with, and realistically Nergi move so fast I can barely keep makes a lot of sense. AT's shouldn't fee like anything less than terrifying forces of nature in my mind, and it's not like anything has been worse than Gogmazios in terms of running around whittling on infinite HP trying to not get one-shot, and I like Gog. As much as I know it often enough acts like an HP check and there's little I can do, I have largely gotten used to and adjusted to the pepega slam. Though I've never seen him chain it like he did in your video, that's actually hilarious. I'd probably hate him too if I had to deal with that. XD Nergigante is one of the few AT monsters I found myself looking to fight for fun after I had all of his gear and the layered armor. I really think he's fun-the ultimate balancing act and culmination of what I've learned playing the game. But then I also like soloing Behemoth. Just my opinion though.

Content we really needed.

Are you just salty that this is a difficult matchup for Charge Blade?

I have to object to AT Nergi's new move. It's extremely easy to dodge if you're on the lookout and you dodge towards his start-of-attack position (where he was when he jumped up to insta-gib you) or opposite to where he lands. The attack has a very nice and precise hitbox, which seems to be a trend with the new attacks that some of the ATs got. I will say that the nice hitboxes are kind of unfair, though. AT Xeno's explosive insanity is actually just a bunch of fancy straws of damage that you can walk between.

Agree with everything said in the vid. A lot of players, including me, have had the same thoughts about these annoying ass, artificial difficulty AT monsters, so thank you for finally putting all these thoughts in a video. Worst part is, they're probably just gonna recycle these monsters in G Rank. I doubt that they'll actually put in any effort into re-balancing these things. And the rest of this fucking game is so piss-poor easy GOD they fucked up the balancing so much.

You could pretty much say the exact same thing for MHGU and it's endgame hyper monsters. Soloing hyper G rank deviljho omegaLUL.

I liked vaal as it actually made me notice his gas mechanic. Additionally the health boost prevents him from just getting owned to quick. He's one of the ats I like most under xeno and others of course burn had fun

Why does it sound like you use a voice changer?

I thought AT Val was pretty good. The effluvium was basically not an issue at all even in the tempered version. Making it a threat you have to actually prepare for made the fight feel the way I think it was intended to be.

Kushala set bonus negates most of the luna nova threat

I can beat black diablos. I think that the fight is complete bullshit and horribly designed and that the person behind it should stop doing what they are doing bc they dont know what they are doing by making shit faster and hit harder. That's not how difficulty works. 1k people who downvoted this probably assumed that you can't beat these monsters. It's a shame. I'm a 15 year veteran of the franchize and I 100% agree with you

This guy sounds like what would Nergigante would sound like if he could talk.

Nergigantes.problem is that he has 5 times the health of a normal neru thats why he is agravating, if his hp was like 15 k it would have been way better

Arch Tempered Velkhana let that sink in.

Title: Ranking AT monsters The actual video: AT NeRgIgAnTe AbSoLuTeLy SuCkS

heres hoping AT Valkanna doesn't suck, because we all know we're gonna get it

Inb4 Arch-Tempered White Fatalis comes in Iceborne and OHKO's AT Nergigante right in front of us.

that's the whole point of AT elders, it's supposed to be difficult. what did you expect, a club penguin boss battle? normally, it would be a problem if there was no room for counterplay or if one's skill doesn't affect the fight, but that's just the thing, there is counterplay. you said it yourself, you can either block/guard, use temporal mantle, or i-frame the "pepega" slam. just keep an eye out for the quick slam, it's not unreactable.

Not anymore, now with Fatalis armor b, I eat these Arch Tempered monsters for breakfast, call it revenge for making me and my teammates cart so much.

CAPCOM, get this man a set of layered Akantor Armor and a Molten Tigrex to kill in Iceborne.

Ive never got hit by that move in the 5 times I've fought it so far. I usually get killed by his tail swipes

I felt the AT Nergigante one. I reenacted the scene where team dai-gurren get's massacred in space. It was horrible...

To me At Nergi feels like the rite of passage to go into master rank

I didn't mind Val, but I consider that bias because I do like the monster. The Effluvium is manageable, but is BS I loved Xeno. Who knew playing the floor is lava would be a fun game! But Nergi? No...I did not enjoy being a hunter pancake.

Honestly, you put up some good points, but you also have a lot of bad points. While I agree that some of AT monsters are damn near ridiculous to deal with but there is always way to get around. It may not be the way you like it tho. Nergy gets pissy? Better get out. Run. Block. Survive. Depends on how you build for it. If you go fight Arch Nergy with no earplug, no health, no survivability, only full on offensive and attack build, then you are asking for it. You gonna get one shot and stomp all over to death lol. As for weopons, not all weopon are meant to have the same equal chance of being effective in any given situation. Some are slower but will hit harder. Some do better with groups while other alone. Some does well with both while other just better in certain situations. You cant just bring a charge blade into an AT Nergy battle and expect to be able to dodge like a someone who brings a shield and sword to fight. Of course he is going to have a better time dodging because he is faster. But he gives up damage for that luxury. As far as group goes. You better off doing this with people you trust. Playing with randoms with no idea of how you play or how to tackle AT monsters will only result in hurting your composition. AT monsters are designed with intention of using everything you got at your disposal. Not just offensively but defensively as well. If you have to give up a window of damage for a chance of survibility then so be it. Better superman dive out of the way then going for that greedy SSAD. If your friends has to jump in and distract the monsters possibly taking the hit for you then so be it. If one of your mates or you has to play a wide spread healer all game than so be it. If one of you guys has to play crowd control piosoning, paralyzing or sleeping the monster all game then so be it. It is really up to you and how you play. If you plan on soloing then better go in there prepare and ready knowing that you gonna have a hard time. When I was soloing AT Nergy. I made sure to switch between sets, from paralyzing, poisoning, and sleep bombing him at least twice. Then mount and KO twice, and then finally bombing him a third time when he went for the sleep. I use everything at my disposal. Not just running in gun blazing swinging weopon wildly.

The tolerance for fxxk ups is too low for AT monsters to be fun in solo farming IMO. Speed running is another thing (sometimes only 1 decent run every 20 attempts), I just want to be able to solo farm the monster with at least constant win rate after “gitting gud” like Souls games. Like you said, every boss’s devastating attack in From’s game can be countered after learning from mistakes, but how do you counter Luna’s random BS supernova CAPCOM??? >:(

And then there's Ruiner Nergigante..

"Artificial Difficulty" is the best way to describe Arch-Tempered Monsters

Agreed, but I'd still rather fight any of these than another 140 Garuga.

i can actually survive most of AT nergi's attack quite well with: lv7 defense boost lv3 hp boost lv3 recovery speed super recovery (from 3 hazak pieces) hp regen augmentation buffed with immunizer and fortify as a fail safe for good measure, increasing my defense by 15% if i cart my health is pretty much restored by the time i get up, and the recovery speed goes up even higher if i get the immunizer effect from choral orchestra as well i may not be doing crazy amounts of damage, but im like a cockroach, you just cant get rid of me but its my sacrifice in attack power why i need teammates

What armor set and weapon is it in the video?

KZfaq just recommended me this again for some reason and now that I've done all of them looking back at the fights I actually liked them in a way. Since the "bad" guys were so cancer to fight it actually forced me to come up with counter builds and use weapons I don't normally use. (former LS-GS-CB main) AT Luna: While I didn't change my weapons for this one getting Earplugs and Windproof along good enough fire resist to not get the fire debuff made this one tolerable. While it did drag out the fight a bit it made it very consistent (20-25 mins is still better to me than getting angry or annoyed). Windproof and Earplugs take the danger out of the surprise novas and a emergeny farcaster next to the potions for when you're low on health and can't escape. AT Doara: Definitely my least favorite because getting the Daora set bonus is a must if you don't want to use ranged weapons. The Daora set makes this fight pretty straightforward though since you can ignore all the wind. After a couple of runs I saw someone use a long shell gunlance of all things and it worked really well. I gave it a go and it is amazing for knocking him out of the air. I finished my last few tickets with gunlance after that and it was pretty fast and almost fun. AT Nerg: This one really gave me trouble. GS and CB were ruled out pretty quickly because he is just too fast for me. I had some success with LS but I also had some triple cart runs which are very annoying after 20+ minutes. I was struggling to break the spikes consistenly and would only slowly chip away at his insane healthpool. I ultimately found great success in the wide shell gunlace + evade window build. The precision of the GL made it easy to break spikes consistently and GL is agile enough to dodge those random pepegas mid combo. Not only did it turn pepega into an opening it also made almost all other openings safe again because I don't have to fear those insta pepegas anymore. While they were a bit overtuned this "bad" design forced me to try out new builds and weapons instead of the typical drachen meta builds and I really enjoyed the grind for gear to overcome these roadblocks when it actually payed off in the end.

In defence of Nergigante and Vaal Hazak: Vaal Hazak himself is actually really easy to deal with. The DOT is something you have to manage. This is the whole point of the fight. Nergigante's new attack is mostly still reactable and easy to I frame due to low active frames. The thing that makes AT Nerg hard is that later on in the fight you always have to bear it in mind.

The difficulty of MHW is based on the fact that the hunter is heavily limited. Of course, you can overcome all limitations with builds, because the developers are looking for preparedness. All of that goes to new levels with the following, which I think they took it a bit too far: Extreme Behemoth eternal charybdis spam, Lunastra Super Nova insane duration and radius, and Nergigante constant body slam when spikes are black. Again, there're things that you can do to lessen the hardship, but when you constantly die from it, is difficult to shake the feeling you were cheated in some way. Note: I hate Nergigate's ultimate dive incomprehensible hitbox. I've been around the tail rolling away from it and still get hit even when it does not physically touch my character.

The future looks bright for an AT Rajang

Vaal Hazak is thr only Arch Temp monster I have Solo'd. I don't find him hard.